Author Topic: Windows vs. Mac: I'm starting to change. (Read 187,161 times)

Darwin · « **Reply #100 on:** October 13, 2009, 02:15 AM »

Quote from: JavaJones on October 12, 2009, 10:52 PM

Darwin, I'm surprised you like the changes in Win7's file manager. I wrote a blog post about why I hate it.
http://oshyan.blogspot.com/2009/09/fixing-windows-7-part-1.html

Of course my recommendation applies to almost any of the available Windows file manager replacements, it just happens that Free Commander is, well, free, and nicely capable. I've found a few things that don't work quite right on Win7 (drag and drop to apps for instance), but overall it's quite good.

- Oshyan

Heh, heh - touche! I don't actually use Windows Explorer. Haven't since I was using Windows 98... I use Dopus 9 full-time and have XYPlorer installed as well. Thus, I might not be the best person to be making announcements about the pros and cons of changes in Win 7's version of Windows Explorer

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #101 on:** October 13, 2009, 03:29 AM »

Quote from: Innuendo on October 13, 2009, 01:25 AM

Here's another Snow Leopard bug (though not as bad as the delete your data bug):

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2184529&tstart=0

How many other OSes get so confused you have to type your login password backwards to log in?

OS X...it just (half-ass) works.

Remember Think Different ... This is merely another demonstration of just how aw inspiring intelligent Mac users are. Just look at the OPs testimony:

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What I quickly discovered is the password must be typed in reverse order

...As we all know the first thing anyone with any sense tries when any authentication method fails is to enter the password back-wards. Just in case the computer happens to be trapped in a mirror (or your password is noon...)

In reality his trouble serves him right for bothering to put a password on a Mac as they're far to secure to ever need one ... it says so right on TV!!!

fenixproductions · « **Reply #102 on:** October 13, 2009, 05:18 AM »

Quote from: Innuendo on October 12, 2009, 09:44 PM

Well, to be fair...is it really newsworthy when it's a bug that affects less than 10% of computer users world-wide?

Percentage differs. It may be 10% for world-wide but more for Mac users. As someone already said: for Windows it would be very big hit even if happen for something smaller. For Apple it is rarely heard of because "everything is so perfect"…

f0dder · « **Reply #103 on:** October 13, 2009, 08:48 AM »

Quote from: wraith808 on October 12, 2009, 05:09 PM

I do plan to get a MacBook Pro- but only because of my iPhone.

Why not get a Mac Mini (cheaper) or, even cheaper, simply run a hacked OS X in a VM?

Innuendo · « **Reply #104 on:** October 13, 2009, 02:55 PM »

Quote from: fenixproductions on October 13, 2009, 05:18 AM

For Apple it is rarely heard of because "everything is so perfect"…

Only because Steve Jobs and his rabid fans (note: this statement is not to imply that everyone who owns a Mac is a rabid fan) downplay every flaw and deny every vulnerability. Like I stated earlier in the thread, non-Mac users usually don't hear about serious flaws in the Mac OS till it's been fixed when the Mac forums fill with comments of "I'm glad it doesn't do that anymore."

40hz · « **Reply #105 on:** October 13, 2009, 03:28 PM »

Quote from: Innuendo on October 13, 2009, 02:55 PM

Only because Steve Jobs and his rabid fans (note: this statement is not to imply that everyone who owns a Mac is a rabid fan) downplay every flaw and deny every vulnerability.

True. Only something like half of them actually get like that.

wraith808 · « **Reply #106 on:** October 13, 2009, 03:40 PM »

Quote from: f0dder on October 13, 2009, 08:48 AM

Quote from: wraith808 on October 12, 2009, 05:09 PM
I do plan to get a MacBook Pro- but only because of my iPhone.
Why not get a Mac Mini (cheaper) or, even cheaper, simply run a hacked OS X in a VM?

Because I need a new laptop, and once you get to the level of hardware that I need for my laptop, the price isn't that much difference. The price for a Mac on the lower end is more expensive, but as you scale up, the price isn't that much different, I've found.

Josh · « **Reply #107 on:** October 13, 2009, 05:15 PM »

Upgrade your ordinary laptop to a Macbook.Only $0.99!

superboyac · « **Reply #108 on:** October 13, 2009, 06:26 PM »

^^ok...that's funny.

cranioscopical · « **Reply #109 on:** October 13, 2009, 06:32 PM »

Quote from: 40hz on October 13, 2009, 03:28 PM

Quote from: Innuendo on October 13, 2009, 02:55 PM
Only because Steve Jobs and his rabid fans (note: this statement is not to imply that everyone who owns a Mac is a rabid fan) downplay every flaw and deny every vulnerability.

True. Only something like half of them actually get like that.

So, the rest are born that way?

rgdot · « **Reply #110 on:** October 13, 2009, 07:20 PM »

lol @ that picture, that way downgrades are easy too and probably must be done once a week

Stoic Joker · « **Reply #111 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:06 PM »

Quote from: rgdot on October 13, 2009, 07:20 PM

lol @ that picture, that way downgrades are easy too and probably must be done once a week

Twice actually, but the (update) flies (only live 3 days...) are basically self updating so there is no real work involved.

JavaJones · « **Reply #112 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:11 PM »

Hehe, great pic. But, I guess we're not going to get any more meaningful discussion out of this one?

- Oshyan

40hz · « **Reply #113 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:45 PM »

Quote from: cranioscopical on October 13, 2009, 06:32 PM

Quote from: 40hz on October 13, 2009, 03:28 PM
Quote from: Innuendo on October 13, 2009, 02:55 PM
Only because Steve Jobs and his rabid fans (note: this statement is not to imply that everyone who owns a Mac is a rabid fan) downplay every flaw and deny every vulnerability.

True. Only something like half of them actually get like that.

So, the rest are born that way?

Yep!

Quote from: JavaJones on October 13, 2009, 10:11 PM

Hehe, great pic. But, I guess we're not going to get any more meaningful discussion out of this one?

- Oshyan

Nope!

Innuendo · « **Reply #114 on:** October 13, 2009, 10:52 PM »

Well, how about I post what I posted in the other thread about this data deletion bug:

Apple has known about this bug since September 12 and yet there still is no fix. This may be atypical behavior for Apple, but it may not. Are they always so slow to fix major problems such as this?

superboyac · « **Reply #115 on:** October 13, 2009, 11:13 PM »

Well, some random comments:
I LOVE the Apple multi-touch touchpad. It is awesome. You know what would be a cool idea? I large pad on your desk to replace a mouse if you wanted. You use your fingers to move around and do stuff with multi-touch commands and so forth. That would be something really cool. but it would have to be a decent size, maybe the size of paper (8.5x11"). I dig that.

Paul Keith · « **Reply #116 on:** October 13, 2009, 11:15 PM »

Well Google did bring up something regarding touchpad mouses:

http://www.cirque.com/desktoptouchpad/touchpad-mouse-overview.aspx

cmpm · « **Reply #117 on:** October 13, 2009, 11:16 PM »

well. hm

this is primarily a pc site
not for mac users

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wraith808-
The price for a Mac on the lower end is more expensive, but as you scale up, the price isn't that much different, I've found.

i couldn't have said it better myself
and with bootcamp built into mac,
ms windows can be installed whenever one is ready to

the actual comparisons i've seen
of a mac pro and a comparable pc
gives mac OSX the edge over Vista and XP, at this time
that's without windows7 considered

being able to really install both OS on one computer is a plus
that is one reason for the one i bought
pc's can't do it like a mac can
i wish a pc could, i'd like to try macOSX myself
instead of listening to everyone else's opinion
and not virtual either but installed with any quirks that come up
---
the sales pitch for macs really do suck
mainly because of slamming a pc
without comparing how a mac handles the same things
besides, there is nothing in particular pointed out in a pc specifically
just the ideas are thrown out, pc is a bad move, without facts or proof

but i don't see much ads from ms about it's actual workings
...well i haven't seen much ads for mswindows at all...

superboyac · « **Reply #118 on:** October 13, 2009, 11:20 PM »

Quote from: Paul Keith on October 13, 2009, 11:15 PM

Well Google did bring up something regarding touchpad mouses:

http://www.cirque.com/desktoptouchpad/touchpad-mouse-overview.aspx

That is very cool. It doesn't mention anything about multi-touch, which is the real key feature of the apple touchpads. That makes all the difference in the world.

JavaJones · « **Reply #119 on:** October 14, 2009, 12:05 AM »

Innuendo, from what I hear Apple *is* often slow to respond to issues like this with appropriate patches. Why that is I'm not sure.

The price difference for Mac vs. PC really depends on the *specific* model you're looking at. You could say it's "not that big once you get to the high end", but as a blanket statement that's not necessarily true, particularly in the laptop area.

17" MacBook Pro
2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM
500GB HD (5400RPM - $50 more for 7200)
$2500

Dell Studio 17
1.73/3.06Ghz Core i7 (quad core, should be faster than the C2D even at lower clock)
4GB RAM
500GB HD (7200RPM)
Blu-ray drive
$1700

Granted the Dell is 1.5lb heavier and has only 1600x900 rather than 1920x1080 display, but both are LED LCD, backlit keyboard, and the Dell has a faster single graphics card. Maybe not the clearest landslide in the world, but at $800 cheaper I could buy a second netbook for ultra portability if I wanted, and still come out ahead. This was also just the first reasonable comparison I saw. I'm sure if I looked at other Dell, HP, etc. models I could find something closer, and equally sure it would still be lower priced (and come with a longer standard warranty).

On the flip side, look at Dell's workstations vs. the Mac Pro prices and you'll see Apple tends to excel in this area as far as price goes. Many people buy Mac Pros for their workstation needs and then just install Windows on it since it's good hardware and comes at a surprisingly decent price for what you get (dual Nehalem Xeons). Just don't bother upgrading *anything* through Apple (e.g. memory, hard drive) as they'll charge you a boatload. Oh and I hope you don't want a top-end graphics card.

- Oshyan

wraith808 · « **Reply #120 on:** October 14, 2009, 12:17 AM »

That macbook does have a top end graphics card... what kind does that Dell Studio have? I've priced the Dell vs the MacBook for what I was looking for... and the VAIO... and they all are within a few hundred of each other...

cmpm · « **Reply #121 on:** October 14, 2009, 01:28 AM »

There are two separate video cards on the newer MacBook Pros. One (the 9400m) is for everyday graphics and requires less power. The 9600M GT has its own memory (512mb) and is a high-end graphics card for gaming, etc.

I figure the 512 is for an external monitor.

Not sure, I didn't get much of a chance to check it out.
There wasn't much time for me to get to know it.
The owner of it needed to use it as long as he could before college to learn OSX.

2.8Ghz Core 2 Duo
4GB RAM
500GB HD
15 inch display
7 hour battery

A student discount was going then, 10 maybe 15 percent off.
Free canon printer/scanner, free ipod, i forget what else.
Maybe that's all. A little over $2000, o yeah msoffice for mac, student.

Darwin · « **Reply #122 on:** October 14, 2009, 03:38 AM »

Quote from: cmpm on October 13, 2009, 11:16 PM

being able to really install both OS on one computer is a plus
that is one reason for the one i bought
pc's can't do it like a mac can
i wish a pc could, i'd like to try macOSX myself

Yes, agreed. However, this is an Apple imposed limitation and has nothing to do with either Windows or the hardware (beyond the fact that one is not *supposed* to be able to install OSX on a non-Apple produced platform.

JavaJones · « **Reply #123 on:** October 14, 2009, 06:43 AM »

Quote from: wraith808 on October 14, 2009, 12:17 AM

That macbook does have a top end graphics card... what kind does that Dell Studio have? I've priced the Dell vs the MacBook for what I was looking for... and the VAIO... and they all are within a few hundred of each other...

Neither the 9400M or the 9600M GT on the MacBook Pro are anywhere *near* "top end". The dell has a ATI Mobility RADEON HD 4670 which should be fairly decent - comparable at the least.

And here's the Sony VAIO version:
Intel® Core™ 2 Duo Processor T9600 (2.80GHz)
Microsoft® Windows Vista® Home Premium 64-bit
4GB DDR2-SDRAM (DDR2-800, 2GBx2)
500GB SATA Hard Disk Drive [5400 rpm]
Blu-ray Disc™ playback/burning
ATI Mobility Radeon™ HD4650 graphics card with 1GB vRAM-great for games and movies
16.4" widescreen with XBRITE-FullHD™ LCD technology (1920x1080)
$1720

- Oshyan

tomos · « **Reply #124 on:** October 14, 2009, 06:50 AM »

Quote from: superboyac on October 13, 2009, 11:13 PM

Well, some random comments:
I LOVE the Apple multi-touch touchpad. It is awesome. You know what would be a cool idea? I large pad on your desk to replace a mouse if you wanted. You use your fingers to move around and do stuff with multi-touch commands and so forth. That would be something really cool. but it would have to be a decent size, maybe the size of paper (8.5x11"). I dig that.

Have you seen this thread 10/GUI - new ideas for the desktop using multi-touch touch-pad/small screen