Quote from: panzer on February 01, 2011, 08:25 AM

I have decided to have only Filename checked. I pushed a vertical line to the right so it is aligned with Trout border line. When I drag and drop a file into it, border moves to the left again.
Can I prevent that?

Do you have the following checked?: Menu > View > Auto-justify columns on load

Thanx. it works now.

Just two question more and then I will stop pestering you:
Did you ever played with idea that you would put stop, forward, etc. buttons in one line at the bottom of Trout and volume beside it like in movie players like Kmplayer, PotPlayer etc.?
Could you make stop, forward, etc. buttons colorless (without black color inside)? The first thing I notice in Trout when I open it are the buttons   (they are too big anyway - even for person with glasses like me  ).

Keep up with good work and have a nice day.

Just without or with not so strong black color in them. I prefer Foobar buttons - they are smaller and they don't pop in your eyes everytime you open Trout.

I know they say that bigger is better, but they could be smaller (I remember skwire said that they cannot be resized by user). At least I think so.

But never mind that, I prefer Minibar anyway.  

skwire, I know a user mentioned adding an alarm clock feature to trout.  Is this still planned?  I would really like one...soon  .  My ipad is not a reliable alarm clock because of the way it handles background apps, and nobody has made a good jailbreak app for an alarm that runs in the background well.  Anyway, I'm planning on getting a netbook with Windows 7 and using it as an alarm clock.  I'm now looking at the different mp3 players and seeing which ones have alarm clock functionality (any suggestions anyone?).  But I'd figured I'd throw in my suggestion to you since I already know I like using Trout.

Quote from: superboyac on February 14, 2011, 04:17 AM

skwire, I know a user mentioned adding an alarm clock feature to trout.  Is this still planned?

Nope, I hadn't planned on adding this.  If you just want an alarm clock app that will play an MP3, I'm sure there are a myriad out there.  If you can't find one you like, I'll consider writing one for you. 

I've probably spent a good 10-20 hours searching for one in the past year alone.  There's nothing that's all that great.  The best one i've come across is Alarm Clock Pro, which is primarily a Mac application, but the Windows version works well also.  The only problem is the way it handles playlists, which is the main thing that I'm looking for, and the reason why I haven't found any that can do it.  I think if you did one, it would be a fantastic idea.  Just as a preview, I'll give the basics of what I think it should be able to do:

Most alarm clock software can play a chime or something, that's easy.  Where they all fail is their handling of playlists, since it gets complicated once you start considering that the alarm software is not necessarily a music player.  So does it launch another player?  That's what most of them do, but the problem there is that you lose the snooze functionality.  The alarm program can't snooze another software, but it can snooze it's own built in chimes or other wave files.  That's why most of the programs out there suck, they haven't gone the extra length to handle snoozing of playlists. So they either have no playlist functionality or they do, but there's no snooze.  This is key to what I am looking for.
Also, the program should have a shuffle option.  i don't want to wake to the same music in the same order every day, and I don't want to change the order every day.  One option is to let the program launch the music player, like i said, but then how do you snooze it?
The other missing feature in most software is the scheduler for repetitive alarms.  They can all repeat every Friday, but can they repeat every other Friday?  Hmmm, that's the tough one.  To do that, you need to give the user the ability to set up weird repetitive cycles like that.  Alarm Clock Pro can do it in a funky way.  The best way i've seen it is on mylife organized, where the scheduler can be set to repeat "every X days", so if you set it to 14, it's every other Friday.  That's what I'm talking about.  i can post screenshots of all of these things if it will help.
So that's what it comes down to.  The distinguishing features are:
playlist support
shuffle feature
snooze capability for playlists
flexible repeat alarm scheduler (must cover all possibilities)

How's that?

Quote from: superboyac on February 14, 2011, 05:01 AM

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How's that?

Waaaay out of scope of what I was thinking.  

What could I do to make it worth your while?

Also, consider this:  you've already made trout, so all the playlist and music playing functionality is created.  So the things to add would be the scheduling options and the snooze.  I don't know how hard that is, but to me it sounds easier than the music player part, which is done and already very nice.

Quote from: superboyac on February 14, 2011, 06:35 AM

Also, consider this:  you've already made trout, so all the playlist and music playing functionality is created.  So the things to add would be the scheduling options and the snooze.  I don't know how hard that is, but to me it sounds easier than the music player part, which is done and already very nice.

I won't be adding alarm functionality to Trout as I like tools that do one thing and, hopefully, do it well.  As for an alarm clock app, I simply don't want to get tied up in a huge amount of options in regards to scheduling (which there can and will be).  In regards to programming, it's a right pain in the arse to try and handle all potential types of scenarios when it comes to time and schedules.

heh heh, you must be right.  There are dozens of alarm programs out there, and they ALL take the easy way out.  Just about every single one of them.  I should just stop trying to find one, it's just wasting my time.

I also agree with you about keeping your tools distinct.  As a general rule of thumb, I've noticed very strongly that as additional, unrelated features are added to a software, it loses a lot of the appealing aspects that it once had.  I don't even mean just the bloat of it.  I've noticed that what usually happens is developers keep adding and adding features, but they fail to fix minor issues here and there that last for years.  But I like the way you do it, and the way you've been developing Trout.  You fix every little thing that is buggy, and you carefully add a feature here and there, it's a great method.  I really respect it.  And it's evident in the product.

Skwire, would the option Shut down Trout after x minutes be useful? For those who want to sleep in the afternoon with the help of music but do not want that after they fell asleep Trout playes on?

Yes, I know what you gonna say: just put 2, 3 songs in the playlist.   True, what can I say?

If this would be achievable, it would be good for those which listen music before they go to sleep in the evening to add to option I mentioned before an option that if that option is checked, then after Trout's shut down shut down (or at least put in hibernation) the comp as well so the music won't play all night.


If you find my idea stupid, please don't answer.  

Yup. Sorry. I haven't seen it.

Open: trout.exe
Arguments: /play

Trout can already do this.  Here are the switches it supports:

/play, /stop, /next, /prev, /mute, /clipboard, /clearlist

Sending a /play while it's playing will result in a pause (acts as a toggle).  Trout is single-instance only so no worries about it launching two...unless you're running the second Trout from a different directory.

If someone from you use Spider player as a main player (or as a secondary player to Trout), then listen to this: Spider Player Pro is now offered for free from their main site http://spider-player.com/ (look under what's new).

Can you add the DDE support to your player?

I'm not sure I understand your request.  Can you provide me with more detail, please?

Quote from: Armoured on February 17, 2011, 06:19 PM

Can you add the DDE support to your player?

I'm not sure I understand your request.  Can you provide me with more detail, please?

DDE = Dynamic Data Exchange
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms648711(v=vs.85).aspx