I seem to remember an unused donationcoder group on stumbleupon, as well as there being an IRC channel.

By the way, the same day this site went down, so did my chatroom and it's still down (my pc died and I can't host it). But it seems that everyone from my chatroom was able to find each other in 3 other rooms on 3 other networks (one of them being donationcoder's irc channel). Part of the reason is because we are pretty close as a group and know each other well, and have communication on a regular basis outside the chatroom...email, instant messages, other communities like this one (I have brought many of my group here). We are more than just people that meet in a chatroom...we are friends.

If we are truly friends here, then we care enough to have contact and find a way to do it outside the forum long before the forum has an issue. It's kind of an automatic thing.

If you were completely cut off from the people here that you care about when this site went down, then take that as a sign that you need to strengthen your friendship bonds a bit more then you have.

It's kind of like the physical workplace where you see and talk to the same people every day. How can you call any of them friends when all the contact you have is only at work? You don't have a phone number, address...never spent any time together outside of work. If your place of employment burns down to the ground in the middle of the night, it's likely you will never see them again. That's not a friend...that's an acquaintance.

Because if they were really your friend, while the place of employment is going up in flames, you know where to find them, and are probably either on the phone with them talking about it or are some place in person with them talking about it....because the bond transcends the place and spills over to elsewhere.

At its core, this forum is no different than things in real life. And online & off, friendship works the same way.

If you were cut off completely, WE don't need to do something...YOU do. And I am pretty sure you know what it is YOU need to do. 

fascinating as this might be, it's getting a bit heated and I just can't help wondering what the issue is here

I get that trucker is looking for a different conceptual approach, but to what end?  Guarantee'd access to the forums???

I (like a lot of others) 'suffered' through the DC downtime, but ultimately it didn't really affect anything, ie the site was down, the issue was resolved, and the site came back up again (the world didn't end, and everyone is still here).

I probable that any such solution would be pretty resource hungry (cash, equipment, labour, etc) in the short term, and possibly longer.  How much I don't know, nor do I know whether or not the DC crew would or could support it, but I can't help feeling that guaranteed access to the forums (or anywhere, for that matter) to be an unreasonable expectation

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Andersen, WORDZILLA, or whatever, I'm sick and tired of your patronizing hidden agendas and intent to cast dispersions.  I find your last attempt completely reprehensible!  How dare you attempt to cast demeaning inferences on my character!!  In short KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!  Incidentally, you are the only one on DC that has ever received those kinds of thoughts from me ever.     Congratulations!  Why?  Because you attempt to pass off your inflammatory and fetid bigotries as casual banter peppered with cuteness.  If you were to have enough integrity to openly communicate rather than repeatedly use innuendo I would have more respect for your views, but since you continue to vomit out your putrid bitterness toward Gri undercover I find you unpalatable.  Further, it makes me wonder just how much of the conflict between you and Gri was only Gri?  If you have a problem with Gri, then GET OVER IT and grow up!  There will be many people that will rub you the wrong way all your life.  If you can't come to terms in yourself about Gri, I fear you have a tough road to hoe.

Mouser, enough is enough!  I have kept my peace and have bent over backward for two-years and will continue to do so, but when I see a double-standard I will no longer remain silent or restrained.  

I dont' see what WordZilla is doing wrong, sorry. On the other hand I don't see Gri's stuf as an evil, but it has certainly been weird, spammy, mostly incomprehensible and out of place/space

I dont' see what WordZilla is doing wrong, sorry. On the other hand I don't see Gri's stuf as an evil, but it has certainly been weird, spammy, mostly incomprehensible and out of place/space

Oops, I forgot to enumerate...

-=o=-  Hijacking a thread with the injection of his own bitterness toward Gri.
-=o=-  Continuing to defend his position after being cited publicly by the leadership.
-=o=-  Using inflammatory words (remember he is "Wordzilla").  He knows what he is doing regardless of how innocent he wishes to appear.
-=o=-  Casting dispersions on the character of another long-time member.

How can this be defended?

I took a lot of bashing in the threaeds for various reasons.  If you will recall, some even defended me (not my actions) stating that the treatment was harsh.  At that time I chose to hold my tongue in an effort to let thoughts germinate and mature, but I no longer see this as a good course of action because it will kill what we have all been trying to nurture.  If the community is not willing to let the sauce for the goose also be the sausce for the gander, then hypocrisy will reign and cliques will form ruining any chance for a cohesive whole to ever emerge.

Edit: Further thoughts.

CodeTRUCKER: Imho mouser is a heart and a diamond for keeping this whole thing in place (I love how many different people are here, and on IRC we can do those topics that fit in here at all) , and beyond that - **** calling names etc. But Gri seems to get on the nerves of a lot of people.

Can we leave it at that, and return to friendly?

Granted.  I had anticipated a response, but not anywhere near this caustic.  In my defense, I know of no other initiative that sports a collective, distributed model which is why I used "Grivitation."

And that is quite fair. Hate to say it, but I think that he's right at least in that the traditional forum model could do with a work-over. And some entirely new ideas. I think that Gri's ideas are both too radical and conservative, though.

As for friendly: this requires care & condieration from all parts, and delibarete "under-consideration" as well. Things get totally out of hand when we over/mis-interpret eachother, everybody here need to calm down a bit. Things are getting slightly heated, try to mediate via PMs? Just a suggestion.

I have to agree with Mouser... I do tend to get tangled in political and other non-appropriate discussions, because those are hellishly interesting. But even though I'm a hypocrite and can't help myself engaging in somewhat-inappropriate stuff, I do agree that we should move it elsewhere.

The IRC channel seems a lot more suitable.

Anyway, I hope we can get back to a discussion on how we can distribute this forum to combat future attacks!

As far as politics/religion I could care less because if anyone thinks the government runs this country is ignorant of history.  If you will do due diligence in researching a single topic to the point where the whole picture emerges you will understand my perspective.  There are others, but one will suffice: 
The Federal Reserve Bank.  While this is presently a privately-held American corporation (no, it is not a government entity) it and its global counterparts have global implications.  This isn't an opinion or a political view, it is fact.  Just do the math.

My apologies to all that have to endure this discourse, but as I said it does no service to others to let inaccuracies stand.  Also, my past efforts at righting wrongs via PM always left me with an unanswered letter as I attempted to hash out differences.  No, the time for silence has come to a close. 

To the leadership... Frankly, I'm fed up with an undercurrent of partiality in some cliques and intend to provoke an action of my permanent dismembership or hopefully see the errection of a standard that holds everyone to the same standard of conduct based on "who you know."  Further, it needs to be a matter of record and that would not be the case on IRC. Thusly, I post here.

I seriously hope that "I" am not being discussed on IRC without the courtesy of a PM informing me of an invite or what is being discussed.  If I am not, then you are to be commended.  If I am, you should be ashamed for it is gossip.  FWIW - I recently received a PM from a very prominent member inquiring of my communications with another member expressing their offense at the otherr member.  I returned a generic response befitting the situation.  I have tried to express before that I percieve a cancer proceeding at a glacial pace that will eventually consume our precious community if not checked.  No, no more hiding the ugly things under the rug.  If the leadership chooses to take action and I can't see that they cannot, then that action will set the tone for DC's future and either be Cody's salvation or destruction.  I realize that there is the power to cause this whole thing to evaporate by completely eliminating this thread and myself as a protagonist, but that would only ensure Cody's doom like the black hole that insures its own ultimate destruction as it dies in its own heat-death as it turns in upon itself in ever-accelerating cycles. 

From the outset at DC I have established myself as a man of integrity and truth, now you will see I am a man of courage.  Correct the wrongs in an honest way and I will silence my words.  Allow those that are culpabalis prit to go unanswered and I will answer.  So is DC going to be a place of partiality or a place of integrity? 

"Tempest in a teacup," some would say, but any that would dismiss this as such a trifle is blind to the gangrenous malady that is the real reason for such conflagrations.

Mouser, having an insight as to how this sort of thing vexes your heart, I am sorrowful that other avenues have not availed a solution, but I think I have a view of what your vision is and has always been for DC and it is for that vision that I enter into any fray undaunted in order to protect that which is held dear to both of us and others here.  Compatibility has always been an unanswered question.  You can't please everyone and you can't have your cake and eat it too.  I wish you wisdom in any action you may deem necessary, but for me, I'm through sitting on the fence.  DC is far too valuable.  

CodeTRUCKER:
You have made direct personal attacks against me publicly, well that's probably fine with me. I have no interest in more exchanges that might deeply upset folks here. But be warned that further attacks will be taken seriously.

Wordzilla...

Once again you attempt to take the high ground by suggesting someone other than yourself was the instigator.  You shouild not look at my words as "personal attacks," but rather the discipline of a youth that thinks to highly of his place and has too great a confidence in his "buddies."  I'm persuaded that the leadership will not support you in your offenses, but I could be wrong.  C'est la vie.  I did not personally attack you, I specifically pointed out where you "Wordzilla," presumably a "Master of Words" chose innuendo and suggestion casting dispersions on another long-time member as a result of your error in associating my recognition of the goals of Grivitation as my condoning Gri's actions.  Sorry, you missed the target on that one.

As far as your "warning," You may have the power, but it will be an abuse of that power to protect your own personal interests that will nag you until you make it right and in the fleeting world of cyber-relations you may never have a chance to make it right.  I am 50 years old and I know whereof I speak.  To not be able to say "I'm sorry" to one that you will never be able to contact again makes for a cruel taskmaster.  Give thought to your actions.  Regardless, I will not be intimidated by your threat.  If you wish me to be silent, then choose actions congruent with integrity.  I have no grudge with you but, I am terribly disappointed in your actions.  I wish you no ill, but you should reckon carefully who you throw the gauntlet down in front of.  If I am banned, it will be an empty victory for you as others with integrity will rise to take my place.  There are others.

You are both smart enough to see that you fail to communicate with each other. So why do you keep trying in this thread. Just let it be, both of you. You don't have to debunk anything when it's not on topic - so don't even try to. There is no point in threatening each other what you will do when both of you failed to behave.

Let me rephrase that: YOUR ARGUMENT IS A FAILURE SO STOP IT.

Your words too are also faulty.  Please explain two things...

-=o=- What did I do wrong?

-=o=- Where and who did I threaten?

You do wrong by making a homogenous statement blending two diametriaclly opposed intents rather than stating fact.

Please note, I'm not attempting to "pick a fight" with every kid on the block, but I will not be intimidated for standing for what is right.  If you had not posted an inaccuracy, I would not have replied.  My actions should not be construed as one-sided bigotry.  I can enter into even a friendly discourse with those that hold strongly opposing views if it is done without malice and vinegar, but if innuendos, ploys, manipulations, etc. present their ugly heads then those that attempt such things will find they will not do so unchallenged.  After two years I've had my fill of the subtle, social and even secretive few that attempt to pass off their bigotries with cuteness and pseudo-neutrality.  Just tonight, I received a PM communication expressing their grief at the events on this thread.  Not all here are critical of my rebuttal. 

Edits: For clarity

I'm not the Mod, but perhaps it is better to restart this thread.  If you have positive input about the topic, please post in the new thread here.

Please refrain from criticism for a while to allow free reign to uninhibited thoughts and ideas.

Consider this my protest as well. I am sorry, but CodeTRUCKER, I am sick of reading your threads. You make unnecessary references to things that need not be resurrected and instead totally miss the entire point of what you are trying to accomplish. A flame war was the only outcome I could even forsee of mentioning gri. I am sorry, but I am now placing you on a permanent ignore and will be ignoring your threads. This is the second time you have turned what would be a good idea into something that I think you actually want to happen, a flame war or way to attack others. It makes me question your real motives and makes me wonder what you are really trying to accomplish here. Dont bother apologizing to me, I for one am done. DC is a great place and I really dont want to be involved in watching it be ruined because of one user's desire to spur flame invoking threads or posts.

By the way, posting a new thread does not obsolve you of what was started in this thread. Please, do the right thing in the future, THINK about what you are posting before you do so. Stuff like what has happened here and in your other thread which resulted in you deleting all of your posts (juvenille) can easily be avoided by thinking before posting.

gri analphabet here... Could someone please explain to me what's that all about and how does it work?