Global Warming/Climate Change: First off, I've got to say I'm not a true believer. Which is not meant to cast aspersions on the Climate Change arguments, it is a complex area and both sides have valid data.

Although, I am very concerned with our resource use (which I think is almost immoral in the 1st World).

Earth Hour is when we're all meant to turn our lights off for an hour? That may save the individual establishments off their electrical bill, but it doesn't save any electricity. Here in Australia 97% of our electricity is generated by burning coal (we have heaps of it). All that electricity is pumped down the electricity infrastructure, but if it isn't used it goes to waste. There's no battery to store it for later use. I'm not sure where it goes, maybe it just doesn't get into the infrastructure in the first place  But all coal has been burnt to generate the desired level of power that is estimated to be required. That's why we get brown-outs: usage outstrips supply. But when supply outstrips usage it's just wastage.

Apparently there is archaeological evidence of agriculture in Greenland, so the Greenlanders can look forward to fluctuating back to a climate they had previously. I heard recently that the climate scientists that predicting a mini-ice age because of the lack of solar flares: so I was left wondering how much we're contributing to the process. I imagine it's almost impossible to say. Just makes it confusing having one side say all and the other saying none.

People who post reviews which are nothing more than summaries of what they read on another site rather than independent thoughts of their own. You see this running rampant on betanews.com and any anti-microsoft site where people take the word of someone else rather than checking into the issue at hand for themselves.

Anyone else want to tweak me off and get me started?

Yes 

- People who say that rules are for breaking.
- People who will never agree that they made mistake / bug / error. Incompetent fools.

Global Warming
Scientists talking that melting the Polar Ice Cap will make whole world in flood. They don't even know that an ice has less density than liquid water. If you put ice cubes into glass and fill the rest of it by water, even if the ice will melt, it will never go outside container.

fenixproductions,
That is quite a stretch. Claiming that you understand global warming problem better than hundreds of scientiest outhere is naive. In life every structure affects eachother. If any kind of damage done to biggest structures of earth there would be another reaction to those drastic changes. It is called equilibrium.


I just do not understand people who keep repeating that it is not man made. So because it is not man made we should not do anything about it? Some people just keep repeating what media tells them and then they claim that those are their personal ideas.

Quote from: kartal on May 23, 2008, 11:27 PM

Some people just keep repeating what media tells them and then they claim that those are their personal ideas.

Personally I'm of the opinion that people who think Global Warming is caused by humans are doing exactly that. Because that's the only thing the media reports. They only discredit and defame those who try to say otherwise.

Around here, the (serious) media report both sides of the story. Sure, weight is given to the "humans have an influence" camp, but they do generally come off as a bit more credible than the other camp (I recently heard of a .no report claiming that there was really nothing to worry about, since the climate is about the same as in 1998... forgetting to say that 1998 was one of the hottest years in a long time period).

Whatever causes the warming, denying it is stupid - because it is happening, and it will have nasty consequences. How big a part mankind has in the warming is debatable, but it's my personal belief that we should at least try to do something about it. Even if that doesn't help against the warming, at least it would reduce pollution and excess consumption.

Whatever causes the warming, denying it is stupid - because it is happening, and it will have nasty consequences. How big a part mankind has in the warming is debatable, but it's my personal belief that we should at least try to do something about it.

I'm certainly not suggesting we trash the environment. I'm all for energy efficiency, and reducing toxic chemicals, etc.

The problem with Global Warming is that if mankind didn't cause it, there's nothing we can do to "stop causing" it. If mankind did nothing to bring it on, then it wouldn't matter if we shut down all carbon emissions in the entire world because it would have happened regardless of there being any human on the planet or not.

I'd rather focus on more important things we can do something about. Food shortages, disease research, alternative fuels for vehicles, nuclear power, etc.

Do you think that the recent food shortages might have anything to do with farmers growing millions of acres of corn to be used for ethanol instead of actually growing food? Do you realize that the amount of corn it takes to produce enough ethanol to fill a standard SUV's gas tank once could feed a man for a year? Talk about a massive waste of resources and harm to the environment!

Plus just the idea of making countries pay for Carbon Credits is ludicrous. Who's generating the carbons and saying "alright guys, we have this much this year, buy 'em up?" It's just a scam to punish wealthy countries, making them buy invisible goods that don't exist by placing a false limit on them. Next thing you know we're going to have to buy "oxygen credits" so we can breathe with approval from the UN or whatever stupid organization is setting up these silly regulations.

I personally believe that while the temperature of the earth has gone up 1 degree or whatever, the idea of it being man-made is false, and that the earth naturally goes through warm and cold cycles and this is one of them. However, in saying that, I also believe that we should do things to keep the earth clean, and we should focus our millions of billions of dollars on things that we can actually affect: Food, medical, and power. I honestly can't see any reason, given current technology and resources, why there are parts of the world without these three basic things. Well, okay, the only reason I can see is "Dollar Signs in the Eyes" of certain organizations or people.

When 90% or more of reputable scientists agree, and many of the apologists for the no global warming side I've discovered are funded and/or employed directly by the major producers of pollutants generally and green house gases in particular I tend to go with the majority of reputable scientists.  Of course they have been wrong before, the world was flat at one stage of our history, bleeding people was considered a valuable treatment in many illnesses.

I guess its trendy to talk about it these days because if it happens and the predictions of catastrophic change in 50 to 200 yrs are correct then we are among the last who can do anything about it.

It is beyond lame. It is avoding the problem and sure it is done for profit, no merit in it.

Carbon credits is lame. I do believe that you should pay for polluting, but letting countries trade carbon credits voids the whole idea.

Btw., we haven't had a real winter in Denmark for the last many years. When I was a kid, we used to have pretty long winters with -10C or colder temperatures. Now all we get is a few weeks of snow.

IMO Global Warming is half man, half nature. Morons are driving cars spewing out god knows what, people pollute the air and... <insert page-long rant here>.

I have never seen snow. Granted I am in the desert, but cmon. In the "mountains" we get light snow for a week or two, but I personally have never seen snow (my sister hasn't either).

Winter cold here is like 40 degrees (I wear a T-Shirt and shorts, people call me insane but its fine for me) and the summers hit 125+. People should not cook themselves.

Mouser: Can we split off the global warming discussion into another thread? It seems to have hijacked this one

Opera, YES! I wish for 3rd party support. Not even extension support, but a way for programs to tie into the browser. I would kill for the day to see roboform working with opera. It would make my web browsing days complete if I could see such a feat!

There are two kinds of people in the world: Those who divide everybody into two kinds of people, and those who don't.

My favourite variant of this is:

There are three kinds of people in the world: those who can add and those who can't.