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Title: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 07, 2019, 06:28 AM
Most of my email play is on:

Verizon mail - grandfathered to AOL. (downloaded by POP)

Runbox (small account, downloaded by POP)

Various Gmail accounts that simply forward to the Verizon-AOL and then any deletion of the Gmail is at leisure, usage is mostly "that day" or if for some reason my home base client is less accessible. It does work well with my iPad .. especially the biz email, or resets of passwords, etc.

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Eudora 7, a fantastic email program, is hitting more modern encyrption demands like TSL 1.1 and 1.2.  This means that the original Eudora 7 download will, in some cases, (and increasing) not download mail.  The server will time out, or refuse the connection.

Hermes is a new project built on the Eudora source code, which Qualcomm, after some hesitation, nicely put into the public domain! The main purpose is to fix those areas, like encyrption and certificates, where Eudora might fail. E.g. specific .dlls might be replaced. Other things might be updated, like fonts or emojies.  It is unlikely that much of the core code would be rewritten, since the tools today are very different than 25 years ago. 

(Penelope was a Thunderbird attempt to have a Eudora look-and-feel that went nowhere.)

Pandora is an excellent attempt to make a "Eudora-like" program by a gentleman named Brana. It can be discussed separately. Note that it has the potential to add some features, (e.g. virtual mailboxes would be possible, although I do not expect that they are currently on the road-map).  Feature improvements is very limited for Hermes, since the core code is Eudora.  However, it has recently become ready for prime-time.

And I mostly use Eudora and TheBat!, later in the thread I can explain why I use both.  And I also play with Pandora.

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Quick mention of about ten other email programs.

Other less techie and robust alternatives include eM Client, the more Outlook-type program that some use. Claws Mail is another. Mailbird has proponents.  Postbox too. Thunderbird is still active. SeaMonkey is a minor player, also like Postbox built on Thunderbird. Outlook has its own world (and maybe PIM clones like Essential PIM?) em Client also compares themselves to Mail and LiveMail.

In somewhat of a purist email legacy mode we have Becky!, Pegasus and Poco-Barca, yet each one has its current situation. 

I have tried many of these, and always come back to a Eudora-TheBat! world.

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Information largely from the

Eudora for Windows forum (no archives, I am using my inbox)
http://www.listmoms.net/eudora-win/

Join this for any future updates.

Posts from Ken starting around Feb. 27, 2019.  Ken had improved the Hermes instructions. 
(Also contributions from hoplist, Dave Andrews, and the super-helpful Katrina Knight.)

There is also a check that you have the proper "MS C ++ redistribution".

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You can navigate to your Eudora program files folder and check the dates of libeay32.dll, QCSSL.dll, rootcerts.p7b, and ssleay32.dll.  If QCSSL.dll is dated any earlier than Oct. 29, 2018 (or if any of the other 3 files date earlier than Aug. 15, 2018), you don't have what you need to ensure Eudora is working with TLS 1.1 and 1.2, which are increasingly required by mail servers.

Here are some instructions for getting this updated library installed into your Eudora 7.1:

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This is not complicated, simply explained step-by-step,

INSTRUCTIONS FROM JULY 19, 2019 TO MAKE AN EXISTING EUDORA INSTALL TSL-CERTIFICATE UPGRADED USING HERMES TECHNOLOGY

Although the developers working on Hermes haven't yet released that, they HAVE released an updated SSL library for Eudora that you can patch right into your existing copy of Eudora 7.1.  It will (1) resolve a lot of certificate problems, and (2) add support for TLS 1.1 and 1.2, which will keep Eudora working with mail servers that have dropped or will soon drop support for TLS 1.0.

(If you've been using the Stunnel tool specifically to get around this limitation, this updated SSL library will eliminate your need to use that.  It will add support for the missing protocols, while ensuring that everything about your data communication will remain encrypted.)

To install this updated SSL library into your existing Eudora installation:

(Use at your own risk: I am unaffiliated with the Hermes project, but merely a satisfied user trying to make things easier with these instructions.)

1) Download this ZIP file and extract it somewhere:  NOTE: If you downloaded this already but before Oct. 29, 2018, you'll need to download it again now, because the pre-Oct. 29th version wasn't fully functional.
   https://www.dropbox.com/s/pqcmt3sa5aknf9w/HermSSL.zip?dl=1

2) Find your Eudora program files folder, via:
   - Eudora's top menu: Help -> About Eudora -> Click on the word "Application" above the "Visit Web Site" button.  This should launch a folder window with your Eudora program in it, which will include the "Eudora.exe" file.

3) Close the About Eudora box, and Quit Eudora

4) Make backup copies of these 4 files that are in your Eudora program files folder: libeay32.dll, QCSSL.dll, rootcerts.p7b, ssleay32.dll

5) Run vcredist.exe that you extracted in step 1.  You might already have a new enough version of this Microsoft library on your system, in which case it will tell you that and will abort.  That's fine: it means you already have the needed Microsoft library and can proceed to the next step.

6) Copy these new 4 files you extracted in step 1 (libeay32.dll, QCSSL.dll, rootcerts.p7b, ssleay32.dll) into your Eudora program files folder. You'll see they're from 2018 instead of 2006.

7) Start Eudora.

8 ) Attempt to retrieve email and send email with your personality/ies.  Most certificate errors should be gone, and sending and receiving should be functional.

9) Something not working?  Then check your incoming and outgoing mail settings:
   (Your main settings are under Tools->Options->"Checking Mail" and "Sending Mail".  They're additionally in each of your Personalities that you use to send and receive mail: Tools->Personalities, and then for each personality, right click, Properties, and look at both tabs "Generic Properties" and "Incoming Mail".)
   In each of those two places, look at the "Secure Sockets when Sending" / "Secure Sockets when Receiving" dropdown.  If you see "If Available, STARTTLS" or "Required, STARTTLS" in any of those places, some mail servers might need you to change those to "Required, Alternate Port".  If you try changing this, make note of the old setting, in case you need to change it back.
   Try retrieving and sending email again.

10) If you're using a server that has support for TLS 1.1 or 1.2, you can verify that Eudora is now using one of these: Go to each of the two places described in step 9 (i.e. in "Options" and/or as any Personality you've successfully connected with since restarting Eudora).  In each, press the button "Last SSL Info".  On the info window that pops up, find the "SSL version field".  You should see "TLSv1.2" or "TLSv1.1", instead of "TLSv1", which will confirm that the new libraries are now using the new protocols with those servers.


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Sidenote:
A brand-new clean Eudora Install is said by Nicholas Edward Werner-Matavka of Hermes on July 25 to work - with this download:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/hermesmail/files/hermsetup.exe/download
(In other words, the necessary file swaps are already included in this installer.)
Ted Walton and Katrina have discussions of using this method on August 5, especially if you are transferring over from one puter to another.

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Free thinking notes

Additional programs I might want to check, for various reasons
https://www.g2.com/products/chaos-intellect/competitors/alternatives
Chaos Intellect from Rose City (they had Courier in the old days)
Zimbra - (free, open source??)
Good ol Zoho (Salesinbox) and an Amazon Workplace thingy

For other reasons -
Kiwi for Gmail-Gsuite (also Propeller) - reminds me of Streak and NetHunt)
Spike Shift

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ADDED 8:16
Mailspring - pro is $8/mo
Opera Mail
Yahoo Mail (does it have desktop client, probably8 browser only)
iCloud - Apple
AOL

BlueMail in beta
FileOne

collaboration tools like Front and Spike and MailCore might have email embedded.
Other quirkies like KnowMail - Rainloop
Foxmail
Inky
Incredimail

Proton Mail (mentioned for security, not a client, has apps, as do Fastmail, etc)
Runbox (I use this for a special Pop-box)
See Slant and G2

Steven
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on August 09, 2019, 02:03 PM
why would you use Eudora and the Bat?  I imagine you might be doing different accounts on each.

Eudora was the first email client i ever used, i think i've written about it here.  In the 90s.  Good program.  then I moved to Pegasus.  And then about 10 years or so, mouser convinced me to use the Bat, and ive been on the bat since.

the Bat is good, very reliable.  But they are stingy on features and will likely NEVER fix or address things that are bothering you.  They have made lik all these major versions over the years with almost no noticeable change.

I've also spent some time with emClient, which is a good outlook-type replacement, but I would not replace outlook with it, no real point.  It has some slick features though.  I use it specifically to manage my cardav sync with my phone etc.  why?  because it wont degrade your contact photos.   if you let android or ios or outlook manage ANY contacts, all your high-res contact photos will become potato quality.  even emclient can only do about 600-700 pixels max.  btw, the bat's contact features are SH!T.  like cmon.  i am so worried one day the bat is just going to go extinct and that will be it for the poweruser email experience.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 10, 2019, 08:57 AM
TheBat! has some very good features.  One is fundamental to my usage, virtual mailboxes.  This is like the Linkman keyword metaphor. If I have a biz vendor, or a Bible subject, I can make up a virtual box, and all the email related to that subject are there. No matter how good your filtering, you could never achieve the same. Plus you limit many to x number of days, since you want virtual mailboxes to be 10-100 or 200 emails, and not thousands.

Does anybody else have similar, easy to setup virtual folders?  (Virtual mailboxes in TheBat! you usually set up as a follow-up to a search.)

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On the other hand, Eudora (with Hermes files) trumps TheBat! in many ways. TheBat! has glitch and annoyance difficulties you rarely (never) see in Eudora.  The Eudora editor is suburb, and its stability is legendary. It is fun to work with.  Pandora is trying to get there too, buts it does not quite have the comfy feel of Eudora. Hermes will be essentially Eudora, very modestly modified, mainly in areas like certificates and TSL encryption.

So I redirect the more important email from TheBat!, to a Runbox POP box, leaving behind legions of forum mail and stuff unidentified.  I pick it up with Eudora POP download.  I can handle the redundancy, as I generally work out of TheBat! but like having the leaner Eudora mirror.

Ironically, TheBat! redirect filter has a glitch, or I do not understand something, and it redirects too much, when I do not want it too, so I just put that question on  TheBat! forum.

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TheBat! has a long history, I think they do some improvement, my kvetch is that they do not search out and fix many petty annoyances. I put that concern on their forum where they were discussing what we want in the new v. 9. (I am on 7.)  I would rather have the dozen or so petty annoyances (including memory errors that you have to click away in certain areas) than add new features. Annoyances show up in areas like color groups, row layout types, and duplication of email boxes in folders, and more. None of them really crimp operations, but they will give a cheezy feel to a purist.

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Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: rjbull on August 10, 2019, 03:40 PM
Outlook has its own world (and maybe PIM clones like Essential PIM?)

EPIM (at least the Pro version) has its own built-in email client, if that's what you mean.  I haven't tried it, but it's there.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 10, 2019, 08:55 PM
Essential PIM was recently on Bits du Jour.  Apparently their Windows to iPad/Android integration is good, according to one comment. Even without any email, that sounds interesting   I am trying it out.

Efficient PIM may also have such integrations, but I do not see an IOS app.
https://reviews.financesonline.com/p/efficientpim/

Who else?  What works good?
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: rgdot on August 10, 2019, 09:08 PM
PIMs wise, DoogiePIM has email too, very good in my experience. But as far as emails go the feature list doesn't match dedicated email clients.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 11, 2019, 07:21 AM
I would probably use Pegasus Mail today if its IMAP configuration wasn't so weird. It's a bit sad that Pegasus 5.0 has been delayed for ... more than a decade now?

I am "mostly" happy with my current e-mail situation (The Bat! on Windows, varying clients on other systems), but, you know, the grass on the other side of the fence...
I did not know that Eudora was still a thing, so I had not tried it even once. I had a short test ride with the HERMES installer linked above. Impressions:

1) Wow, that thing looks outdated. A Windows 3.11 application, very roughly compiled on Windows 98 and not updated since? Yes, that's obvious.
2) A lot of dialogs and "information" pops up. Ugh.
3) I (somehow) like the Lotus-Notes-like look and feel ... but still, ugh.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 12, 2019, 06:18 AM
To us Eudora folks, the program is simply a clean machine.  Granted, you do not have many open independent actions/windows on the Taskbar like you do with TheBat!, Thunderbird and some others.

Imap is not an issue to me. Especially not Gmail Imap.  The numbers never seem right. The actions downhill never seem to take uphill. If I have to access my home base email from a juice bar or cafe, I use Teamviewer, but that is very rare, especially as I use Google accounts in special ways (one for personal important finance and stuff, one for biz on Gsuite, one for travel info, etc.)  If I am travelling for a week or three I usually take the time to put the 100 GB or so home base downloads on my laptop.  Granted, every 5 or 10 years I consider an archive method of putting all the old email in its own spot.

I tried Pegasus, I did not keep notes, it is a good program, I just thought it was not up to Eudora on some of the essentials of filtering and searching.  Maybe the editor was not as crisp, and Eudora has incredible stability. Stuff like that. For fun, I could try it again, especially when 5.0 comes out, see the blog post from a few months ago, where Dave explains some health issues that slowed him down (this year, I am putting aside back years). The forum looks good, one gentleman was upset about moderation of even long-time members. It is not super-active like the Eudora community, a decade and more after Eudora ended.

It is possible the Hermes installer has some funky-dunky elements.  It might be crisper to load the latest Version 7 Eudora, and then copy over the four files from Hermes that essentially fix Eudora for encryption/TSL. That is the impression I got from some posts on the Eudora forum. 

btw, the Eudora forum I mentioned does have a pseudo-archive, that is triggered by searching by sending an email with the search terms.  I am trying it out.  And there is a Yahoogroups second forum that is good also.  TheBat! online forum is ok as is a different email forum. Right now I am trying to find out why the redirect action on filters seems to trigger in manual mode when it is only an Inbox-download filter.  This is the type of stuff where TheBat! can be negatively quirky.

The Bat!, with its virtual folders, is my main program.  I don't think I would switch unless there was a similar virtual mailbox implementation somewhere else.  Does anyone know of a try?  I think Courier had permanent searches, that perhaps got updated, which can be more or less the same thing.

Steven
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on August 12, 2019, 10:55 AM
TheBat! has some very good features.  One is fundamental to my usage, virtual mailboxes.  This is like the Linkman keyword metaphor. If I have a biz vendor, or a Bible subject, I can make up a virtual box, and all the email related to that subject are there. No matter how good your filtering, you could never achieve the same. Plus you limit many to x number of days, since you want virtual mailboxes to be 10-100 or 200 emails, and not thousands.

Does anybody else have similar, easy to setup virtual folders?  (Virtual mailboxes in TheBat! you usually set up as a follow-up to a search.)

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On the other hand, Eudora (with Hermes files) trumps TheBat! in many ways. TheBat! has glitch and annoyance difficulties you rarely (never) see in Eudora.  The Eudora editor is suburb, and its stability is legendary. It is fun to work with.  Pandora is trying to get there too, buts it does not quite have the comfy feel of Eudora. Hermes will be essentially Eudora, very modestly modified, mainly in areas like certificates and TSL encryption.

So I redirect the more important email from TheBat!, to a Runbox POP box, leaving behind legions of forum mail and stuff unidentified.  I pick it up with Eudora POP download.  I can handle the redundancy, as I generally work out of TheBat! but like having the leaner Eudora mirror.

Ironically, TheBat! redirect filter has a glitch, or I do not understand something, and it redirects too much, when I do not want it too, so I just put that question on  TheBat! forum.

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TheBat! has a long history, I think they do some improvement, my kvetch is that they do not search out and fix many petty annoyances. I put that concern on their forum where they were discussing what we want in the new v. 9. (I am on 7.)  I would rather have the dozen or so petty annoyances (including memory errors that you have to click away in certain areas) than add new features. Annoyances show up in areas like color groups, row layout types, and duplication of email boxes in folders, and more. None of them really crimp operations, but they will give a cheezy feel to a purist.

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i agree 100% with all you said.  your dual email client usage is pretty interesting.  The editor in the Bat really is quite weird given that were in 2019.  I thought it was weird in 2009!  And guess what....NOTHING has changed lol.  10 years of updates and no changes to the editor, the primary place you spend most of your time.  But the program is solid and there really are no good alternatives.

I'll start poking around eudora.  I used it pretty heavily back in the 90s.  It was a great program.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 15, 2019, 07:22 AM
Virtual Mailboxes in Thunderbird, Postbox

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In the discussions at TheBat! forum, where one gentleman has some real frustrations, they discuss desktop email client alternatives.

Thunderbird and Postbox (essentially a Thunderbird fork) are the main alternative offered.
And I tend to discuss Eudora-Hermes and Pandora.

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Thunderbird
"Even better, using ​Saved Search folders you can create "virtual" mailboxes that automatically search for messages matching their criteria in all your Mozilla Thunderbird folders. While the messages remain in the folders they have been filed to, they also show up in all Saved Search folders that find them."

Organization by Folders in Mozilla Thunderbird
https://www.lifewire.com/folder-organization-thunderbird-1173118

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Are those updated with new mail downloads?
Are those updated when you move mail around?
... Are they truly equivalent to TheBat! virtual folders?

Thanks!

Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 16, 2019, 06:43 AM
Wikipedia has a checkmark for "Virtual Folders".
I put some comments on the bottom of the "Talk" page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Comparison_of_email_clients

Virtual Folders Ritlabs- TheBat! is very strong. (I have dozens in my Bat.)

Thunderbird-Postbox (not on list) definitely, by saved search. Seamonkey probably, since, like Postbox, afaik it is a fork on a Thunderbird code base. See - https://www.lifewire.com/folder-organization-thunderbird-1173118

Afaik, Eudora does not have virtual folders in any way, yet it is marked yes. I am a long-term Eudora user.

And I am a little skeptical about Mailbird, Em Client, and the Opera ("all folders are virtual") entries. Also Pegasus, Poco and Zimbra. Maybe so, but since Eudora was called yes, all should be checked. I will do what I can, only working with Windows clients.
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And I recommend adding Pandora and Postbox to the list.

Wikipedia
"Opera Mail is at the end-of-life stage of its product lifecycle; this means neither technical support nor product and security updates will be provided. The product is no longer available for download."
It actually does seem to have an interesting architecture.

Lifewire - 2019
https://www.lifewire.com/pegasus-mail-4-7-free-email-1166878
Pegasus
"Pegasus Mail does not include virtual folders or labels that would learn by example. If you're accustomed to your email program realizing that you put all your emails from your spouse into a "family" folder, for example, and then shortcutting that move, you'll be disappointed in the inflexibility of Pegasus Mail to automate these tasks for you."

Poco (or its sucessor) seems unlikely.
"PocoMail for Windows is no longer available for sale."
Maybe Barca, but I have not seen the feature.

"The Zimbra Desktop is no longer supported. It will reach the end of Technical Guidance October 1, 2019."
https://forums.zimbra.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=66134

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Em Client
WHAT ARE "SMART FOLDERS"?
Smart Folders are virtual folders that display all messages from a certain folder type (such as Inbox, Outbox, Sent, Unread, Flagged messages, Search Folders or Category folders) from all of your email accounts at once. They can be found in the left pane in the Mail tab, above the folders for your individual accounts. This feature allows you to check all emails without having to go through each separate account individually.
These folders can be enabled/disabled in Menu > Tools > Settings > General > General.

This does seem to be a virtual merged folder, a flat view, but not virtual folders in the sense of
"all emails in any box involving 'Johannine Comma' "

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Mailbird has "Unified Inbox Plus" - doubt that they have any real virtual folders, by my understanding
Interesting article and discussion
https://www.getmailbird.com/best-gmail-app-for-windows/

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Bottom line so far -- just TheBat! for real, true, workable virtual folders in an active product.

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A bit more.

Should check ChaosSoftware - Chaos Intellect
https://www.chaossoftware.com/products.aspx
Compare to Essential PIM if use full Chaos stuff.

EasyMail for GMail - Gmail on your Desktop (Some Notifiers do this too.)
https://easymailforgmail.com/
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 16, 2019, 07:53 AM
GnuPG is nowhere to be seen except The Bat.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 16, 2019, 10:38 AM
I'd like to submit a feature request for GnuPG support to Pandora's author but the forum refuses to send me an activation e-mail.

 :-\
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 21, 2019, 05:26 AM
I messaged Pandora's author now, he said GnuPG will come in "late fall maybe".
Waiting ...

I admit that it is rather usable.  :-[

edit:

The editor in the Bat really is quite weird given that were in 2019.  I thought it was weird in 2009!  And guess what....NOTHING has changed lol. 

They changed quite a few aspects of it - not visually though.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 21, 2019, 08:31 AM
I usually use their editor for composing, since TheBat! is my master program, even though I have the Eudora editor activated on an email account as well, and it is a more comfortable experience.

And I think my biggest concern is the lack of boxes or quote-boxes. That seems rather primitive for today.  You might mention some other elements?
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 21, 2019, 09:06 AM
I have Ctrl+F'ed through the revision histories (https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/) and "editor" is mentioned rather often - usually the HTML editor though. I'm not on my The Bat! computer here, so I could evaluate it later. Never searched for boxes, honestly.

Soon, they'll want more money from me. The Bat! 9 is around the corner. Sigh!
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on August 21, 2019, 11:30 AM
I have Ctrl+F'ed through the revision histories (https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/) and "editor" is mentioned rather often - usually the HTML editor though. I'm not on my The Bat! computer here, so I could evaluate it later. Never searched for boxes, honestly.

Soon, they'll want more money from me. The Bat! 9 is around the corner. Sigh!
I *may* have gotten banned from the ritlabs forums permanently for complaining about the editor like 10 years ago!  lol
And guess what...10 years later, STILL THE SAME.  LOLOLOL

honestly, most of the issues comes down to one thing....wrapping.  like, can you just make the editor wrap like a normal window?  maybe a little checkbox to enable/disable?  nope maybe in 20 years.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on August 21, 2019, 12:13 PM
lol Steven, just noticed your thread on the Bat forum.  nice.

Yea, i wish they would do legit, noticeable improvements.
Fix the editor, get it modern.
Fix the contact syncing.  It does not work.  It's also very weird in general.
so many others.
how about autofilling addresses?  can we get that to make some sort of sense.?  i feel like, as with most autofill technologies, they always want to choose the worst possible choice.  somehow, every single time, the AI knows exactly which choice i DONT want and thats the one it chooses.  quite brilliant, actually.

(still great program)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 22, 2019, 03:17 AM
like, can you just make the editor wrap like a normal window?

It automatically wraps - or rewraps - long lines when you press Alt+L, I find that handy, actually.  :huh:

Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 22, 2019, 04:08 AM
FWIW:
The next The Bat! (version 9) will have a ribbon layout. Ribbons!  >:( Blergh.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: rjbull on August 22, 2019, 05:07 PM
The next The Bat! (version 9) will have a ribbon layout. Ribbons!  >:( Blergh.
If that's compulsory, I doubt I'll "upgrade."
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 23, 2019, 01:17 AM
Maxim said they'd replace the existing toolbars by a new toolkit.

I wonder how many people will stand up against that.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 26, 2019, 05:30 PM
After considering my options for what comes after The Bat! 8.8.9, I bought Pandora and uninstalled The Bat! today, keeping Thunderbird with Enigmail as my GnuPG fallback until Pandora (or Pegasus Mail? ;)) gets GnuPG support as well. Ribbons. Ugh! Thank you, Steven, for this opportunity. (Are you aware that Pandora does have virtual mailboxes?)

The one thing that lets Pandora struggle is an old(ish) mailing list which has almost 60,000 messages in it. It takes ages to change anything in that folder.
I took the time to empty it now ...  ;D

I have quite a few improvement suggestions and I found a few bugs. I reported all of them.
Let's see how this will end.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 27, 2019, 08:34 AM
Good info.

I’ll have took for the virtual folders.  What are they called in Pandora?

Mailing list or box? 
In Eudora I always broke them out when much over 30K to an archive, I think to avoid memory issues.

Pandora has real potential.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 27, 2019, 08:46 AM
Good start: I accidentally deleted all of my e-mails yesterday because I thought that "In" was only a mirror of my actual INBOX folders.
There is that "Leave Mail on Server" checkbox... which is easy to miss.

 :-\

Pandora should probably not use that for IMAP.
Well, at least now I know that my provider's backup system works.

I’ll have took for the virtual folders.  What are they called in Pandora?

Mailing list or box? 

Those are called a "Mailbox" afaics. Just like "In" and "Out" are nothing but "Mailboxes". Which I know now.  ;D

edit: The HERMES people also plan to add new features:
https://sourceforge.net/p/hermesmail/blog/2018/09/evolutionary-features/

I guess they're just slow. ;)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 27, 2019, 03:18 PM
The Hermes people spent a lot of energy on the mission-critical elements, especially the encryption and certificate issues, since that could make and break Eudora.

Virtual mailboxes, the best added feature there imho, would be wonderful, and they give a sketch of what they would like to do, but timing is simply unknown.

With Pandora you have, I believe, one developer, and he knows the code inside out. I still have to look at the virtuals.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 27, 2019, 03:47 PM
I, personally, find virtual mailboxes highly distracting now that I know what they do.  ;D
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 28, 2019, 08:52 AM
Maybe we have a different idea about what is a virtual mailbox?

It is like a saved search, updated as new mail comes in, or is moved.

Where do you see it on Pandora?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 28, 2019, 12:07 PM
Right-click the root folder (usually named "Mail"), press and hold Shift, click "New...", leave Shift.
(A lot of things are - undocumented - reachable by pressing Shift at the right moment.)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on August 29, 2019, 06:11 AM
Thanks!

Now, how do you tell mail that it should be in that virtual box.

In TheBat! you can define what is in the box by a right-click, nothing like that here.
I looked around a bit in Searches (TheBat! lets you morph a search into a new virtual mailbox) ..
And I looked around in filters.

Any help appreciated! 

========================

Setting up filters seems to be quirky, although theoretically Pandora can import the Eudora filters.

Looking for how to execute manual filters on highlighted mail (a good feature of Eudora).

And I do not see how you can prescribe various actions, in order, once you have the criteria.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 29, 2019, 06:23 AM
Uhh.

Honestly, I have no idea.  ;D
I guess it works via filter actions, as many things do...
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on August 30, 2019, 03:57 PM
the bat is going ribbon??!!  ugh.  pretty unnecessary.  it better be very customizable.

Alt-L....yea...i totally gave up on microed many years ago.  i just cant see a single practical advantage to microed.  i just use the plain windows option.  i just want it to wrap with the window size automatically.  i dont want to force it to wrap after XX characters.  just wrap with the window LIKE EVERY OTHER WINDOWS PROGRAM. 

I'm surprised there are not more email clients out there. 
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on August 30, 2019, 05:47 PM
How many do you need?
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on October 21, 2019, 08:49 PM
According to screenshots and reports, The Bat! version 9 (currently at 9.0.0.x) is very slow, but the ribbons can be disabled everywhere but in the Compose windows.

Facebook link:
https://facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120

Yup, still happy about changing the client.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on October 22, 2019, 12:07 PM
the ribbon literally adds nothing.  and i bet they still won't change or fix anything with microed or the editor (you know, the part of an email program you spend the most time in).  lol at two lines of text  below the icons in the editor, holy cow.  all that space for what?  buttons nobody uses more than once a year?

and why would they put in a ribbon now?  its been like 10 years since the ribbon controversy started.  why go back to it now?  we are waaaay past it and we were glad the bat didnt do it then, why now?  i still believe ritlabs, when they do their updates, they do literally the bare minimum.  not that its bad...i like the program and it works well.  but they will not fix any major bugs or make any major improvements.  if you look at their last 10 years of version history, its all stuff nobody even cares about.  and i bet, they just fix a couple of easy things here and there.  now they are going to make it seem like they are doing a big improvement with the ribbon, but again, its minor.  they are going to put a ribbon, and everything else will remain as is.  so great, you put a ribbon.  thats like, so easy.  it would take a developer like a week to do that?  anyway... i'm pretty hard on them arent i?  sorry.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: superboyac on October 22, 2019, 12:17 PM
According to screenshots and reports, The Bat! version 9 (currently at 9.0.0.x) is very slow, but the ribbons can be disabled everywhere but in the Compose windows.

Facebook link:
https://facebook.com/emailman/posts/10157552017414120

Yup, still happy about changing the client.
thanks for the link.  im not changing anytime soon lol.  i really dont want to change.  :(
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: thechuckster on January 30, 2020, 09:06 AM
After 10+ years of living in darkness, a light appeared during my searchings...
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=48363.0

This FIX is a jewel!
I thought my email provider did something screwy on their side and they even admitted that they updated their mail server ssl structure the day my Eudora started refusing SSL connections.
They provided zero help on how to solve the problem, but did offer to sell me their email packages, starting at $5 per mailbox per month... having about 100, this made me angry.
So for some years since, I cursed them constantly, got banned from their community support pages for bashing their phone reps technical ignorance and profit driven support model.. I worked there for 7 years.
They made billions before going into their new age, with the owner selling out to hedge fund investors, then it took a large crap on its users.

I am running Win 10 x64
Eudora v7.1.0.9, in paid mode
before replacing the 4 files, I first ran the latest MS VCredist for both 32 and 64 bit.
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2977003/the-latest-supported-visual-c-downloads

After starting Eudora and setting checking use ssl if available, I got a popup with a certificate, choose accept it, and now it works perfectly.

This place is getting a bit of my money for this!!

also, I am not sure why, probably a 64bit thing, but my mailboxes are all stored in another directory and not the same one as the 32 bit installation would put them...
C:\Users\----USER NAME----\AppData\Local\VirtualStore\Program Files (x86)\Qualcomm\Eudora

If anyone has a fix for this please let US ALL know how to..
Eudora checks for updates on its own, and goes to JUMP.EUDORA.COM  which is now owned and controlled by a 3rd party who may be doing something with your data...
How do you shut this off, if you can at all ?
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Shades on January 30, 2020, 08:47 PM
If you know how to get access to the modem/router device your ISP provided, it is an option to block access (in its firewall) to the domain: jump.eudora.com

After you configured the firewall, whenever the Eudora client makes a request to that domain, it will get no response. A different device, other than your computer, is now blocking access and there won't be a way for Eudora to manipulate anything to get connected, disregarding any firewall rules you might have setup in the Windows firewall and/or (personalized) HOST file on your computer.

It might be a good idea to also find out the IP address behind the domain name you wish to block and add that IP address also to the block list on the firewall of your modem/router. That will shut traffic up.

However, if you don't know how to access or configure your modem/router, you can also configure the Windows firewall on your computer to block access to both the domain name and IP address. This will shut traffic up too.

But as stated before, it is a lot harder for any piece of software to circumvent any configured limitation, when that limitation is configured on a device that is not the computer the software currently runs on.

And if you really feel like spending time to acquire some knowledge regarding Windows networking, run your own DNS server and block traffic to that domain that way. When done correctly, that certainly shuts up traffic. There are many, freely available DNS servers for Windows. I know and have used the free one from Technitium (https://technitium.com/dns/), which is very easy to run and configure. But look around for other, maybe better/easier DNS servers if you desire to go the DNS route.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Woodwise on April 01, 2020, 10:16 AM
Every once in a while, I think that I should think of a Eudora replacement. I have tried several of those mentioned here. I still keep using Eudora. It's not that I don't like change...my text editor keeps evolving, and I keep up with that.

So I stumbled across this. I really appreciate the 4 files. Already made the change. Looking forward to seeing the impact, and will follow the notes, too.

One thing I have a plugin for is UTC-8, which is used increasingly. I tried to leave a note on the Hermes site, but only contributors can comment, and I didn't see a way do that. Not sure if they are still in business.

~R~
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: HMishkoff on May 15, 2020, 03:59 PM
I just followed the step-by-step instructions posted by Steven Avery in August, and they worked perfectly!

More detail: I use Eudora 7 through a connection to AT&T U-Verse. AT&T occasionally changes their security settings, and I'm used to having problems every few years, and I've always been able to figure it out. But they made some kind of change a couple of months ago, and I hadn't been able to retrieve my AT&T email since then. AT&T's own discussion groups are having so many technical issues that they're pretty much worthless. I had given up hope until I stumbled across this group, and Steven's note solved my problem completely. So THANK YOU!!
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: quickcall2 on June 18, 2020, 12:21 PM
Hello I just registered to add to this thread.

As many of you, I started using Eudora Pro v2.1.2 on Win95 in 1996, when one day I found an installer file hidden in some obscure online directory (and found with Lycos search engine) and since I never looked back. I have been of course gradually been upgrading over time up to the last v7.1 in Pay mode, and I'm on a Server2003 workstation (and no, I am not even close to upgrading to any of the awful newer win options, besides as is this one does all I need, and feels crisp and agile, otherwise there is my secondary win7 laptop for other stuff that refuses to run on XP/2003). Anyway, I think Eudora is still the best email client out there, and even though over the years I gave a try to some "more modern" alternatives, I always quickly ended up going back to use my very comfortable Eudora. I did of course run into the TLS issue when providers started upgrading, and Hermes did solve the problem for me as well in regards to maintaining security up to date while handling my email accounts. But there is one single issue that I still have a problem with, and that is the other reason for this post.

As said before, after Hermes I was once again able to check and send email via TLSv1.2, I have my own server so all my email accounts are on that private server, no Gmail or any other public services. Not that I have anything against them, its just that I never needed them. Ok back to the main point, I also have an "Alternate Port SMTP Server" service at No-IP.com, which basically allows you to send emails without having to use your ISP provided SMTP, etc. I use this as an option because in these "modern" times sometimes when I send a (single) legitimate email to one of my customers, that might contain a link, PDF document attachment, or the subject is worded in a certain way, at times my regular SMTP server rejects the message and bounces it back as "High probability of spam" as it gets flagged without any real justification. Very frustrating to say the least, so in those cases its where the No-IP SMTP option comes in handy to solve the issue. I brought up the problem of the frequent false positive spam flagging to my server hosting company, but they said that there is not much they can do about it, as now a days most SMTP servers rely on a ever more strict set of rules on how to identify spam, and check other 3rd party databases about flagged addresses, IPs etc. Guess we have the spammers to thank for that escalation. I have been using this No-IP service for a couple of years now, and it can be really a big time saver, specially when it comes to be in quick touch with your customer when they are expecting you to be without having to pull out your hair.

So the one remaining issue I have with Eudora is that even tough at the beginning I was able to send emails securely through this No-IP SMTP service by setting the secure sockets mode to "Required StartTLS", about 6 months ago I started noticing that I was getting a very similar, if not the same error message as I saw on another site where the person was reporting not being able to get his Yahoo mail anymore onto Eudora: 'SSL Negotiation Failed - The connection with the server has been lost. Cause (1)', which he ultimately also solved by installing the Hermes patch. So I started trying the other secure sockets options, but none would work, except for the "Never" option, which means your emails are going out in the clear as text. Not the worst thing in the world unless you are with the CIA, but obviously not ideal either in these times where you never know who might be monitoring you. So I wonder if anyone has any ideas or has run into something similar, specially if you happen to have any services with No-IP as well. No-IP was of course the very opposite of helpful claiming they did not see any problems on their end with my account, even tough the server was clearly blocking my connection attempt, but we know why they do what now a days with these kind of TLS issues. I should also point out that I tried my SMTP service with Thunderbird installed on the win7 laptop, and of course it works just fine via TLS.

BTW I just wanted to mention that after doing the Hermes upgrade for all my multiple email accounts I am now having to set both inbound and outgoing secure sockets to "Required, Alternate Port", check the "Use submission port (587)" option, and in this way I get a Succeeded at TLSv1.2 negotiation result. The way it was before, set at Required StartTLS I was getting an error, and the negotiation error result indicated TLSv1 was being used. But as long as it works correctly I really don't mind what settings I need to use.

Thanks in advance for any recommendations and/or insights into my last remaining TLS problem with the NoIP SMTP service.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: oblivion on July 03, 2020, 11:35 AM
My small contribution here...

I've used Pegasus (not since about 2000, though) and TheBat! and finally settled on Thunderbird.

I still have a license for TheBat! but I didn't go beyond v7 -- I always loved its configurability and its use of FidoNet-style message quoting but I got badly burnt by a massive failure of the encryption mechanism for the Voyager variant and I decided never to trust it again.

Thunderbird's abandonment of its addons infrastructure is an annoyance -- a couple of addons for message management that I used and relied on have either gone away already or are going away as we speak (Nostalgy and QuickFolders being the most important of them) but the newly discovered ability to create virtual folders via the saved search functionality has just stopped me wondering about possible alternatives, which is why I started reading this thread in the first place!

I have tens of thousands of stored emails in Thunderbird and it copes. This is probably A Good Thing. :)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 03, 2020, 11:40 AM
Thunderbird doesn’t have add-ons anymore? Ew.

(Here I am, still using Pandora ... while keeping an eye on Pegasus.)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: oblivion on July 03, 2020, 11:50 AM
Thunderbird doesn’t have add-ons anymore? Ew.

(Here I am, still using Pandora ... while keeping an eye on Pegasus.)
It does, but it's following the Mozilla / Firefox codebase into a new addons architecture so a lot of things you've been using for years have Gone Away or will do so.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 03, 2020, 11:59 AM
Ah. I’d still have to port my FOAAS extension.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: oblivion on July 03, 2020, 12:32 PM
Reminds me of something I once used TheBat! for... a commitment that was always going to be met in a week but was never actually kept led me to write a polite reminder email that TheBat! sent on my behalf every day at 11am for about 6 months.

FOAAS might have been a useful thing for the recipient. Fortunately, she had no such tool available :D
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: sphere on July 03, 2020, 02:00 PM
So I did a quick search looking for the differences between Thunderbird and TheBat! and stumbled upon this forrum.  It looks like a major developer was leaving the BAT!Here is the thread from May.  (https://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic14803/)


Reminds me of something I once used TheBat! for... a commitment that was always going to be met in a week but was never actually kept led me to write a polite reminder email that TheBat! sent on my behalf every day at 11am for about 6 months.

FOAAS might have been a useful thing for the recipient. Fortunately, she had no such tool available :D

This got me thinking about that maybe theBat has some of the utility that I have been missing in Thunderbird. 

Scheduling emails: Thunderbird has the ability through an addon to send an email at a prescribed time, you can schedule an email to be sent at a certain time or send it to be a reoccurring email.  It is really nice if you are working late at night and do not want to send an email  at 2am.  You can have it go at 8am ( during working hours).  Does the Bat! have that ability?  Any other email clients?

Monitoring replies: Thunderbird used to have a number of other add-ons that were extremely useful that have stopped working due to the changes touched on earlier in this thread due to TB development.  There were a family of add-ons that allowed you to monitor replies.  You could set the add-on to monitor IF an email had been replied to. When sending the email you would basically tell the add-on to notify you if they did not reply by  a date of your choosing.   Sucha  simple thing, but you were able to automate a piece of follow-up.  I traditionally set a monitor reply of a week.  If somethig was more pressing, then I would make it shorter.  Does the bat or any other email client have that?


Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 03, 2020, 02:06 PM
Maxim was not a major developer. AFAIR, he was a mediocre developer - but the CEO.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: sphere on July 04, 2020, 02:03 PM
Maxim was not a major developer. AFAIR, he was a mediocre developer - but the CEO.
I see. Well that is an interesting development.  My sense is that The Bat! has been around long enough that it is pretty stable. I am mostly interested in how the functionality compares to thunderbird
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 05, 2020, 02:00 AM
It is mightier. :)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Attronarch on July 05, 2020, 02:17 AM
My small contribution here...

I've used Pegasus (not since about 2000, though) and TheBat! and finally settled on Thunderbird.

I still have a license for TheBat! but I didn't go beyond v7 -- I always loved its configurability and its use of FidoNet-style message quoting but I got badly burnt by a massive failure of the encryption mechanism for the Voyager variant and I decided never to trust it again.

Thunderbird's abandonment of its addons infrastructure is an annoyance -- a couple of addons for message management that I used and relied on have either gone away already or are going away as we speak (Nostalgy and QuickFolders being the most important of them) but the newly discovered ability to create virtual folders via the saved search functionality has just stopped me wondering about possible alternatives, which is why I started reading this thread in the first place!

I have tens of thousands of stored emails in Thunderbird and it copes. This is probably A Good Thing. :)

Consider trying out Interlink Mail & News (https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/).

It was developed after Thunderbird announced that it'll follow the webextensions route.

I've been using it for seven months now and it works perfectly. In some regards it's faster than Thunderbird (e.g. yearly view in calendar).
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 05, 2020, 02:25 AM
How many Thunderbird forks do we need?
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Attronarch on July 05, 2020, 09:23 AM
Only one.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: sphere on July 05, 2020, 10:56 AM
My small contribution here...

I've used Pegasus (not since about 2000, though) and TheBat! and finally settled on Thunderbird.

I still have a license for TheBat! but I didn't go beyond v7 -- I always loved its configurability and its use of FidoNet-style message quoting but I got badly burnt by a massive failure of the encryption mechanism for the Voyager variant and I decided never to trust it again.

Thunderbird's abandonment of its addons infrastructure is an annoyance -- a couple of addons for message management that I used and relied on have either gone away already or are going away as we speak (Nostalgy and QuickFolders being the most important of them) but the newly discovered ability to create virtual folders via the saved search functionality has just stopped me wondering about possible alternatives, which is why I started reading this thread in the first place!

I have tens of thousands of stored emails in Thunderbird and it copes. This is probably A Good Thing. :)

Consider trying out Interlink Mail & News (https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/).

It was developed after Thunderbird announced that it'll follow the webextensions route.

I've been using it for seven months now and it works perfectly. In some regards it's faster than Thunderbird (e.g. yearly view in calendar).


Thanks for sharing this.  It had not occurred to me to check out additional forks. Which is a pretty obvious answer to the issue.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: sphere on July 05, 2020, 10:58 AM
It is mightier. :)

Who would not want something mightier!  The question I have is how.  There are surprising little in way of reviews about the Bat.  I looked on youtube.   I will DC forums.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 05, 2020, 10:59 AM
The one thing The Bat! does not have is Lightning. Everything else is there.  :)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: oblivion on July 05, 2020, 11:15 AM
Consider trying out Interlink Mail & News (https://binaryoutcast.com/projects/interlink/).

Thanks -- I'll give it a go!
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: sphere on July 05, 2020, 09:02 PM
The one thing The Bat! does not have is Lightning. Everything else is there.  :)

Can it do the scheduling and monitoring I am looking for:

Scheduling emails:
Thunderbird has the ability through an addon to send an email at a prescribed time, you can schedule an email to be sent at a certain time or send it to be a reoccurring email.  It is really nice if you are working late at night and do not want to send an email  at 2am.  You can have it go at 8am ( during working hours).  Does the Bat! have that ability?  Any other email clients?

Monitoring replies: Thunderbird used to have a number of other add-ons that were extremely useful that have stopped working due to the changes touched on earlier in this thread due to TB development.  There were a family of add-ons that allowed you to monitor replies.  You could set the add-on to monitor IF an email had been replied to. When sending the email you would basically tell the add-on to notify you if they did not reply by  a date of your choosing.   Sucha  simple thing, but you were able to automate a piece of follow-up.  I traditionally set a monitor reply of a week.  If somethig was more pressing, then I would make it shorter.  Does the bat or any other email client have that?
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on July 05, 2020, 11:50 PM
Scheduling:
https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/tips_and_tricks.php?ELEMENT_ID=3841

Monitoring: Should be possible with a macro.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Steven Avery on July 25, 2020, 08:12 AM
Just want to say first that I am very pleased that the Eudora/Hermes descriptions worked nicely for some of our posters!

When the information comes forth on the email forums (often in posts by Katrina Knight) it can be hidden and hard to handle. My idea was that Donationcoder was a more visible and helpful all purpose site.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: zoom14st on December 03, 2020, 01:42 PM
Hi, Thank you for the TLS updated files but still cannot download email (Upload's OK). See attached. SSL is using TSLv1.2 but Eudora 'Notes' says "Certificate bad: Destination Host name does not match  host name in certificate. But ignoring this error because Certificate is trusted"

However none of my certificates gets skull sign. Could you kindly point me to right direction getting the updated certificate perhaps?

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on January 23, 2022, 10:20 PM
The HERMES project seems to be sleeping now. A pity, actually.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: thechuckster on January 24, 2022, 06:08 AM
Yea no new updates for some time.

My 3 biggest issues with this now is... for about 2 years...
1. When sending email, I have to move the msg from the out box to some other then back to out to prevent it from re-sending again after startup.

2. every mailbox checked generates a 1kb HEX coded tmp file, adding up to many thousands in a short time.
C:\Users\--username--\AppData\Local\Temp\lmo????.tmp lmo4F8C.tmp for example

3. when including an attachment, when issue 1 happens, after moving back to out mailbox, the attachment reference is broken on my side.


Also, can a updated SSL file be made please.
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: Tuxman on March 14, 2022, 11:26 PM
The one thing The Bat! does not have is Lightning.

The Bat! version 10 aims to fix that with a new address book and a calendar, by the way. (But I won't go back.)
Title: Re: Eudora, Hermes and Pandora - also compared to TheBat! and other email clients
Post by: nmatavka on October 30, 2023, 01:02 PM
Dear Forum Members,

I wish to address some misconceptions that have arisen in this forum thread. Contrary to certain opinions expressed, HERMES Aurora is far from "sleeping" or "dead"; it is very much alive and thriving. We acknowledge the absence of visible product releases over the past few years, and I'd like to provide some clarification regarding our company and our software.

HERMES is the name of the startup company I am associated with, responsible for creating this software. The product we used to provide, which lacked a formal name, served as a bridge package to enable QUALCOMM Eudora to send and check mail on modern servers.

Our flagship product, the continuation of Eudora for Windows, goes by the name Aurora, symbolizing a new era in personal email. Aurora has already been released on Indiegogo, although our promotion efforts for this launch were somewhat limited. It has undergone 24 alpha versions and is fully functional on modern Windows, Linux, and Haiku systems. Currently, our user base consists of a relatively small number, in the low three digits.

We have chosen to offer Aurora through a unique pay-what-you-want model. By making a contribution, which we refer to as a "donation," on our Indiegogo page (accessible at https://igg.me/at/hermes80) and selecting "See Options," you will receive an email within a few days. This email will contain a link to download the product, as well as information on where to seek support in case of any issues. It's important to note that the term "donation" is in quotes because it's not a traditional donation; it represents a regular sales contract, with detailed terms provided on the purchase page. Our product is not just a concept; it exists and is actively maintained.

Unlike Pandora, Aurora is essentially the same email client you have known and cherished. Furthermore, it is competitively priced and offers a more affordable alternative compared to options like The Bat! or Pandora.

We appreciate your understanding and continued interest in HERMES Aurora.

Warm regards,

Aurora Marketing