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I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
sphere:
I think the issue of frontmatter/YAML is important, and incompatibilities remove one of the major advantages of using files rather than a database.
I don't use it at all, so I don't know whether there are any between these programs (I do know that Obsidian recently revised its YAML and garbaged the setups that many users were using. Driven by users' failing to understand or follow YAML definitions and upsetting plugins that relied on standards being followed. Thereby also enforcing plugins to follow a standard approach.
I did use YAML a little in Obsidian's early days, but deleted all of it when YAML was chosen as the preserve of plugins' metadata, and I've never used it ever since.
-Dormouse (February 21, 2024, 09:10 AM)
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Ah I was confused. I thought you had one vault/folder where with your files that Tangent, Obsidian and logseq accessed. But I also remember reading that you used different programs depending on the work you were doing.
Dormouse:
I am really interested in how you achieve using Tangent, logseq and obsidian together and how notezilla is layered ontop of your system
-sphere (February 20, 2024, 04:34 PM)
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I don't really.
I've never done more than look at logseq. I don't like the appearance much, and I always hit a glitch. Org support is effectively deprecated and they are in the process of moving to be database first. I'm not intending to look again until the shift to database is finalised and stable.
My use of Obsidian with Tangent was only ever using Obsidian sometimes for features that Tangent lacked. I haven't done it for some time.
I don't actually use Obsidian at all now. I found it to be a consistently high maintenance program. They change things, they break workflows. Themes can break things. Plugins and themes are often not maintained. The maintenance and staying up-to-date might not always be a huge issue for all-in users who are programmers and/or students, and that's a fair proportion of its usebase. I'm also not sure how much it can genuinely considered a files program now - there are so many jsons, indexedDBs, etc, with many plugins bringing in their own set.
Which leaves me with Tangent as a standalone (occasionally with WM3), though it does work with file utilities and other standalones like Typora and Word.
I use Notezilla as an adjunct support program. For messages to myself and comments. I use it much less with programs that have sophisticated comment features themselves (eg Word). It's very flexible, and it's ability to sync across all the platforms I use (Windows and mobile) is very useful.
Dormouse:
I thought you had one vault/folder where with your files that Tangent, Obsidian and logseq accessed.
-sphere (February 21, 2024, 09:19 AM)
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I did/do.
But I never had a YAML incompatibility because I never used it.
And all the programs kept their own indices, and so there was never a clash.
Dormouse:
Integrating with mobile is also important. I have liked Joplin but I have read about some frontmatter/yaml issues in addition to the way it handles each note's unique id. I have heard good things about qownotes which can be synched via nextcloud.
-sphere (February 20, 2024, 04:34 PM)
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I've found that mobile is sometimes very important and sometimes not at all.
In general, I haven't found programs to be equally good on mobile and desktop, web apps usually coming closer than most. I've stopped trying to work with files on mobile and tend to rely on database progs (I think Joplin is a database) and import and export (or copy/paste) when I need.
sphere:
I am really interested in how you achieve using Tangent, logseq and obsidian together and how notezilla is layered ontop of your system
-sphere (February 20, 2024, 04:34 PM)
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I don't really.
I've never done more than look at logseq. I don't like the appearance much, and I always hit a glitch. Org support is effectively deprecated and they are in the process of moving to be database first. I'm not intending to look again until the shift to database is finalised and stable.
-Dormouse (February 21, 2024, 10:03 AM)
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I did not know logseq was moving to be a database first. Nor did I know there was org support other than what was offered by being plain text. That is interesting.
Beyond the slideout card, what I like about tangent is it has a number of views that get you out of the hierarchical outline view. One of which are cards. Logseq and others seem to have so much blank space. Tangent seems to offer some methods to use that space more effectively. I also like just being able to type. Markdown breaks my flow. Do you know what kind of database tangent uses? Do have any information about if it lags as the data it has grows?
don't actually use Obsidian at all now. I found it to be a consistently high maintenance program. They change things, they break workflows. Themes can break things. Plugins and themes are often not maintained. The maintenance and staying up-to-date might not always be a huge issue for all-in users who are programmers and/or students, and that's a fair proportion of its usebase. I'm also not sure how much it can genuinely considered a files program now - there are so many jsons, indexedDBs, etc, with many plugins bringing in their own set.
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Yeah I see people doing some amazing things with obsidian, but it seems like it is alot of work to set up and maintain. I want a wholistic system I can tweak.
I use Notezilla as an adjunct support program. For messages to myself and comments. I use it much less with programs that have sophisticated comment features themselves (eg Word). It's very flexible, and it's ability to sync across all the platforms I use (Windows and mobile) is very useful.
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I just wish that notezilla allowed the ability to sync using my own choice of cloud services. I like the board view for notezilla. If I remember correctly it offers the ability to take notes and move them around. and save them in the order they were organized. I also like being able to stick a note a webpage or program window and have it pop up when that opens. . I know other postit programs do that as well. But I would like those postit notes to be accessible outside the postit app.
I've found that mobile is sometimes very important and sometimes not at all.
In general, I haven't found programs to be equally good on mobile and desktop, web apps usually coming closer than most. I've stopped trying to work with files on mobile and tend to rely on database progs (I think Joplin is a database) and import and export (or copy/paste) when I need.
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I use my phone mostly to read, light browsing, listening, and take notes, to take photos (often they are note in nature). take quick notes. I do not really process information on my phone because everything involves more friction. But I like the idea of getting into my pc. On my PC, I need to track alot of emails, chat messages, PDFs, audio files, video files and saved webpages.
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