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wraith808:
Roam vs. Notion:
https://threader.app/thread/1306722418786881536
-panzer (September 18, 2020, 05:52 AM)
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You see who that is by, right?  Of course if the creator of Roam talks about Notion, it will be in a deprecating manner.  Always check the source...!  He has major beef with Notion because they didn't want to collaborate, crowing over things that were preceded in other applications.


https://twitter.com/Conaw/status/1306724750060912642

JavaJones:
Roam vs. Notion:
https://threader.app/thread/1306722418786881536
-panzer (September 18, 2020, 05:52 AM)
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You see who that is by, right?  Of course if the creator of Roam talks about Notion, it will be in a deprecating manner.  Always check the source...!  He has major beef with Notion because they didn't want to collaborate, crowing over things that were preceded in other applications.

https://twitter.com/Conaw/status/1306724750060912642

-wraith808 (September 18, 2020, 08:05 AM)
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Exactly. And this is a big reason Conor does not impress me as a founder. He's petty, vain, impulsive, and egotistical. Look at the way he interacts on Twitter and elsewhere vs. someone like Phil Libin (co-founder of Evernote).

Notion's community engagement isn't much better, depending on your perspective. It's a lot more personable, but at lot less "real" at the same time. There is lots of "Good idea! We'll add it to our request list" and whatnot. But virtually zero understanding of whether that means any damn thing, what the priority of any given feature is, or even what the broad strokes vision is of what Notion is trying to accomplish and how they're actually going to continue achieving it. But I do like their design. ;)

- Oshyan

Dormouse:
And this is a big reason Conor does not impress me as a founder. He's petty, vain, impulsive, and egotistical.
-JavaJones (September 18, 2020, 06:08 PM)
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Gates
Jobs
Ellison
Zuckerberg
They don't do badly for ticks, and could add a few of their own.
You don't need to remind people of who they are, and nor have they been replaced.

panzer:
I was wrong about Roam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=tp8-xt-El3g

Dormouse:
It's  not his first podcast advocating Roam.

Strange thing is that you could achieve the same thing in Obsidian just as easily. There are things that work easier in Roam but he didn't hit on one of them this time.

There's a tendency for people trying to switch from Roam (usually because of cost, sometimes irritation) to try to carry their workflow with them. Most frequently blocks, but it includes a rigid concept of a page. Most of them have little concern about having their life's work in an online database that is specifically targeting collaboration and sharing ideas - so the genuine advantages of Obsidian etc pass them by.

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