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I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
Dormouse:
Double Entry in outliners
-Dormouse (December 29, 2021, 03:48 PM)
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This can be avoided with a robust, but convoluted, workflow.
* Write using the outline, rather than in the Notes. In Dynalist article view shows the typed text minus the bullets, if that matters. For some writing this is an advantage anyway because it means small sections can easily be rearranged.
* Copy the formatted text, and paste into a word processor.
* Remove the bullets and left align if necessary. This leaves each bullet text as a separate paragraph.
* Copy and paste the result into a markdown editor. Paragraphs retained in Typora, MarkText and Obsidian. Or can be pasted into an outliner note with paragraphs also retained.This workflow has the advantage of being robust however often a file is converted from markdown to OPML and back. With the disadvantage that traditional markdown editors, including Obsidian and WriteMonkey, are less convenient for writing.
urlwolf:
Non-markdown format is not a big issue for me as long as it's plain text. There's pandoc. I moved from .md to zimwiki with it, no problems.
Now that we are talking, I find markdown a poor choice; the spec is poor (one blog bost!), there are multiple implementations/flavors, and it doesn't have good solutions for tables, embedding video etc (other than reverting to html). It forces apps to run a browser (or worse, embed it) to render it too.
For a killer plaintext format, check asciidoc. That was my choice before I went back to zim.
Check the plugins for zim too.
Other than collaboration (zim is a single player game), I'm very satisfied. Never been this satisfied with a software choice before.
urlwolf:
Well, I'd like to have a way to do hand-drawing in zim. But otherwise it's spot on for me.
Dormouse:
I find markdown a poor choice; the spec is poor (one blog bost!), there are multiple implementations/flavors, and it doesn't have good solutions for tables, embedding video etc (other than reverting to html). It forces apps to run a browser (or worse, embed it) to render it too.-urlwolf (January 03, 2022, 09:10 AM)
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I'd agree with all of this. But it's so fashionable it has become ubiquitous and practically what most people mean by plaintext.
For a killer plaintext format, check asciidoc.
-urlwolf (January 03, 2022, 09:10 AM)
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I'd agree that asciidoc is better than markdown. Apart from its rarity.
But what makes most sense to me is:
*bold* /italic/ _underline_
and that's even rarer as a format.
markdown ... spec is poor
etc (other than reverting to html)
-urlwolf (January 03, 2022, 09:10 AM)
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My own observation is that markdown claims to be simple and human readable. But it isn't without a rosetta Stone equivalent. Use of whitespace is a nightmare and that is invisible.
And, doing many of the things that people want to do becomes extremely complex very quickly. At least word processors push complexity behind the scenes.
I like many of the ideas behind org-mode, but rarity means I've never looked for its own disadvantages. But I am aware that it's one of the options in Logseq.
I think this has reasonable criticisms of other plaintext formats, including asciidoc:
Org Mode Is One of the Most Reasonable Markup Languages to Use for Text
Also OrgDown
wraith808:
Non-markdown format is not a big issue for me as long as it's plain text. There's pandoc. I moved from .md to zimwiki with it, no problems.
Now that we are talking, I find markdown a poor choice; the spec is poor (one blog bost!), there are multiple implementations/flavors, and it doesn't have good solutions for tables, embedding video etc (other than reverting to html). It forces apps to run a browser (or worse, embed it) to render it too.
For a killer plaintext format, check asciidoc. That was my choice before I went back to zim.
Check the plugins for zim too.
Other than collaboration (zim is a single player game), I'm very satisfied. Never been this satisfied with a software choice before.
-urlwolf (January 03, 2022, 09:10 AM)
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I did check asciidoc. The problem with it is the same as beta vs VHS, i.e. adoption rates. Markdown is pretty much everywhere, so there are several options for editors. Asciidoc, not so much. And in all honesty, every format has it's good and bad. So I decided on MD and went with it, so others are not really attractive to me.
My own observation is that markdown claims to be simple and human readable. But it isn't without a rosetta Stone equivalent.
-Dormouse (January 03, 2022, 11:00 AM)
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Depends on what you mean by human-readable. If you're talking like a formatted document, then none are going to be WYSIWYG- that's the point. But you can read it, unlike, for instance a Word Document. I think that's all that's meant by human-readable.
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