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BGM:
I think what we have here is the difference between a minion of Capitalism (the system with its licenses) and Capitalist's possession of any degree of Charity. Capitalism excludes the need or place for Charity. If we have any question of "what is right" it has not place in Capitalism.
I am saying that I think Tuxman is right in his estimations of what the licenses allow. I agree, that the fellow who borked his own code was within his rights, even if they were malicious - because that's how *that* system works. It precisely follows the laws and licenses to the letter and that with a material goal in the ultimate end (who gets the money).
However, I also agree with Deozzan in that what that fellow did was not right for him to do - it goes against Charity. Charity is an entirely different law with a different scope.
So, I think what we have is a conflict between Law and Morals. According to the law, the fellow was within his rights because that law excludes the reality of Charity and Malice.
If we discuss the law (and the licenses that protect software, also subject to the law) within its own boundaries, we cannot also discuss Charity. However, if we discuss Morals, then we can definitely discuss the law. That is because the moral law (Charity) is higher because it guides the will and not only the material doings.
The thing is that the law doesn't have the welfare of people in mind; that's how it can work, but not be just.
Tuxman:
Charity is not above the law.
wraith808:
I think what we have here is the difference between a minion of Capitalism (the system with its licenses) and Capitalist's possession of any degree of Charity. Capitalism excludes the need or place for Charity. If we have any question of "what is right" it has not place in Capitalism.
I am saying that I think Tuxman is right in his estimations of what the licenses allow. I agree, that the fellow who borked his own code was within his rights, even if they were malicious - because that's how *that* system works. It precisely follows the laws and licenses to the letter and that with a material goal in the ultimate end (who gets the money).
However, I also agree with Deozzan in that what that fellow did was not right for him to do - it goes against Charity. Charity is an entirely different law with a different scope.
So, I think what we have is a conflict between Law and Morals. According to the law, the fellow was within his rights because that law excludes the reality of Charity and Malice.
If we discuss the law (and the licenses that protect software, also subject to the law) within its own boundaries, we cannot also discuss Charity. However, if we discuss Morals, then we can definitely discuss the law. That is because the moral law (Charity) is higher because it guides the will and not only the material doings.
The thing is that the law doesn't have the welfare of people in mind; that's how it can work, but not be just.
-BGM (January 13, 2022, 09:17 AM)
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This whole thing doesn't take into account the privacy of services and terms of service. Github hosted the code. Doing something with their service where they host the code that he voluntarily put up there doesn't violate the license of the code.
I believe it was Tuxman who even referred to, in the past, the Cloud as Other People's Property. So when you're putting data in the Cloud, you're putting it on Other People's Property, and they still retain the right to do with their property as they will. They can't do anything _with_ what was stored, but they can surely revert it or remove it. Your license doesn't supercede their rights for their property.
Dormouse:
they can surely revert it or remove it
-wraith808 (January 13, 2022, 11:41 AM)
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Remove yes, revert no.
BGM:
Charity is not above the law.
-Tuxman (January 13, 2022, 09:49 AM)
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Charity is not above the law because it's not comparable that way. Law is there to keep Justice. But Charity beats Justice (that's where we find Mercy).
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