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wraith808:
I've committed to doing some, as I'm the reason most of those are there. 
-wraith808 (April 28, 2018, 01:22 PM)
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Congratulations on getting so many :Thmbsup:

My interest is very much in an overall system and how each program can fit into that, so mini reviews of individual apps would not work for me. Not really a traditional comparative, concluding one is better than another either.

My interest is in a variety of writing - academic papers and books, reports, 'journalism', non-fiction as well as fiction. My observation over the years is that most students and researchers have massively suboptimal methods of managing their information, planning and structuring; OK for a single piece of work but incredibly inefficient if there's a series.

iirc I wrote a paper on the issue 10 or 20 years ago. To mostly little effect. I suspect pantsers proliferate in all fields, but it's harder to make it work with non-fiction. And some just prefer paper.


-Dormouse (April 28, 2018, 02:53 PM)
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There was a piece of software that is not supported anymore, but they unlocked it before they faded- it was specifically for academics, but worked well enough for me.  I'll have to try to find it.

UPDATE: That was fast, just found it - IdeaMason.

http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/ideamason

http://download.cnet.com/IdeaMason/3000-2056_4-10398292.html

https://ideamason.wordpress.com/about/

That sounds like it would work for you.  I'd suggest you give it a try.

It's built on the idea that a paper is composed of several different things collected, sort of like what you said.  Ideas, quotes, citations, abstracts, summaries, sources- you store them and categorize them, and you can use them in different fashions to make a composition out of the parts- complete with cites.  It was way more than I needed, but did work for me for writing also.

Dormouse:
There was a piece of software that is not supported anymore, but they unlocked it before they faded- it was specifically for academics, but worked well enough for me.
UPDATE: That was fast, just found it - IdeaMason.

That sounds like it would work for you.  I'd suggest you give it a try.

It's built on the idea that a paper is composed of several different things collected, sort of like what you said.  Ideas, quotes, citations, abstracts, summaries, sources- you store them and categorize them, and you can use them in different fashions to make a composition out of the parts- complete with cites.  It was way more than I needed, but did work for me for writing also.
-wraith808 (April 28, 2018, 07:52 PM)
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Thanks. iirc this was one of the programs I trialled (or peeped at) back in the day, though maybe not. The impression in my mind is of something bulky and inflexible, though I'm not sure where that's from and am happy to have a look.

As I think about how to do it, it is striking me that your idea of individual reviews is more elegant as well as more useful to many people. My present idea is to specify a process/sequence starting with idea or need and going through working the idea up, collecting information if needed, writing, revising and editing and then publication and seeing how and where each app can fit into such a process. Then to have a (small) number of styles of writer (organised/disorganised, planner/pantser, massive attention to detail or not) and a limited number of types of project that they are working on - academic paper, book, novel, screenplay, weekly column, business report, expert legal report etc. Probably will also have to differentiate between those who have a process that dominates many hours of their lives (eg noting observations from life as in Alan Bennett or Charles Dickens), professors, high level journalists etc and those for whom it is a one off piece of work. Some people need a very light system because anything bigger is too constricting or overwhelming whereas others feel supported by having a clear and comprehensive system. Some have little to gain from software (as in the presumably apocryphal account of Barbara Cartland dictating every morning from her chaise lounge and then leaving the rest to other people [and who for a time found a way of further reducing the effort required, at least according to Georgette Heyer's legal actions]). Personally, I've tended to have a wide number of projects using software that seemed right for each - but always had a feeling that I might have been more productive if I had the one ring to rule them all.

Dormouse:
Have tried chasing IdeaMason over the net. Seems it departed, was then resuscitated as v4 and then disappeared. People seem to have been unable to extract their data after a crash. One blog had posts recommending IdeaMason but the most recent posts were about OneNote. I think I will leave it there. I regard the ability to extract data etc without getting trapped in a proprietary format as vital, and it is a potential issue with all the databases.

wraith808:
Have tried chasing IdeaMason over the net. Seems it departed, was then resuscitated as v4 and then disappeared. People seem to have been unable to extract their data after a crash. One blog had posts recommending IdeaMason but the most recent posts were about OneNote. I think I will leave it there. I regard the ability to extract data etc without getting trapped in a proprietary format as vital, and it is a potential issue with all the databases.
-Dormouse (April 29, 2018, 08:58 AM)
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One of those links that I included (the cnet one) has the download of v3, which is the one that I have installed, and use.

Dormouse:
One of those links that I included (the cnet one) has the download of v3, which is the one that I have installed, and use.-wraith808 (April 29, 2018, 09:32 AM)
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That comes up with a Buy Now or Free Trial mode both of which require authorisation from the website which no longer exists.

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