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wraith808:
I can get the reasoning behind the change on their part- infrastructure and such.  But on the customer's part, it really sucks.  I tried to find just general O'Reilly products on google books.  And it was an exercise in frustration.  But if they're willing to lose the business from people that don't buy into their rent only philosophy (like me) and can't find their books easily now (because other companies are not going to necessarily make it easy to find all books from a publisher), then oh well.

Attronarch:
Interesting. I do most of my book shopping at BookDepository. They have some O'Reilly books, but not all. If I was in USA I'd probably use Amazon a lot more.

wraith808:
Interesting. I do most of my book shopping at BookDepository. They have some O'Reilly books, but not all. If I was in USA I'd probably use Amazon a lot more.
-Attronarch (July 12, 2017, 03:33 PM)
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I don't use Amazon that much because I don't want to be locked into Kindle.  I just shop there, and then try to find the books elsewhere.

app103:
O'Reilly didn't just carry their own books in their shop. They have print on demand contracts with smaller publishers that can't afford to hire printers to publish large batches of their books. O'Reilly allows them to upload a copy of their books, and then they print the books for them, as they are sold. As well as those books also being offered through O'Reilly's shop, these smaller publishers could then sell print editions on their own site, too, only ordering from O'Reilly what they actually have already sold, with O'Reilly shipping them direct to the customers, as well as O'Reilly taking it upon themselves printing up additional copies for titles that seem to sell well, which O'Reilly offers on Amazon and elsewhere.

I have been told that there will be some changes on the current O'Reilly shop pages, to include Amazon buttons for the affected print on demand books, located below the button for reading it on Safari. But to me, this does create a bit of a sticky situation, where many of these small publishers have their own subscription based service for their e-books (most of which are DRM-free), with O'Reilly now becoming a bigger form of competition to them, offering an inferior version of the digital versions (in my opinion any way), while still remaining the actual printer of their books.  :-\

I am not sure I'd entirely define this kind of relationship as "friendly competition", or a "mutually beneficial symbiotic relationship", or even as a "benign parasite". (but that's just my personal opinion)

wraith808:
^ I totally agree.  I don't know if Packtpub or Pragmatic have that capability (I'm pretty sure Apress and Manning do not), but that seems like a big change not to talk to your partners about.  Perhaps they wanted to roll it out before they could hear the detractors.  I should have known something like this was coming after they bought out Safari and made the big changes there (which made me cancel that subscription).

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