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wraith808:
If it was just "any random but competent art" as a performance piece, we wouldn't care. And stories are just text, my copy is as good as your copy from Gutenberg's Mark Twain set. And for music, there's whole cultures (besides the lawsuits of grumpy musicians) of mashup. Same with pics.
-TaoPhoenix (December 24, 2015, 07:54 PM)
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Those that the art affected would care.  And that's the point of this... art affects in ways that are only quantifiable by contact and taste.  So to denigrate someone else's feeling on the matter in the way that the writer did... I think that's the offensive thing.  And then to put it to such low brow use just because I have the funds for a stunt?  That's a different form of the same.  I'm all for people being able to do whatever they will with the money that they have.  But they are also not immune to the effects of the use of their money.  I'd thought that cards against humanity were a pretty cool game idea, and the mechanics were pretty cool.  And having played it online, I was on the edge about getting a copy.  I'm no longer on the edge.  And I'm just one person, with one opinion.  But I'll use that opinion and consumer power to go against the idea that this is cool.

40hz:
I think somewhere in here is the "difficult" copyability of art.

If it was just "any random but competent art" as a performance piece, we wouldn't care. And stories are just text, my copy is as good as your copy from Gutenberg's Mark Twain set. And for music, there's whole cultures (besides the lawsuits of grumpy musicians) of mashup. Same with pics.

So I think Form Factor and notoriety are all over this.
-TaoPhoenix (December 24, 2015, 07:54 PM)
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If you take the argument that "stories are just text" to the next level... then text is nothing but words...and words are nothing but letters...and letters nothing but geometric shapes and lines...and as such, have no meaning, or value.

On a certain level, everything becomes meaningless - if you allow yourself to fall for that deconstructionist nonsense. It might make you sound clever in certain faux-intellectual academic circles. But it leaves you with nothing if you embrace it without realizing the intellectual and spiritual cop-out it is.

I guess if someone doesn't believe in intellect, or spirit, or meaning, that's no great loss. Especially since there's nothing such people have to lose. Because there's nothing in them for them to lose. Sad really. Those are the true "walking dead" even if they're not the usual flesh-eating zombies we usually think of.

We create ourselves. And we create value. That's what makes us (hopefully) conscious and sentient creatures. We interact with our reality - we're not defined by it.

I forget who once said one's level of enlightenment can be determined by how well you can answer two very simple questions:

   1. Of all the possible things you could be doing right this moment, why are you doing this?

   2. And why now - as opposed to any other moment?

If you can consistently and completely accurately answer both questions, you have no need for instruction, prayer, or meditation. Because you already are enlightened.

So... out of all the things you could possibly do with a Picasso print, why would you want hack it into pieces Mr. Temkin ? And why do it around January 1?

Oh...and Mr. Danny-boy Gallagher, freelance blogger for C|Net and the usual techo-weenie websites? Don't bother trying to answer those questions. You've already clearly established you're a complete rectal orifice...

wraith808:






That was so awesome, I couldn't settle on just one to convey my sentiments.

I haven't seen a 40 slam dunk like that in a while.  Thank you.  And never change.

Renegade:
If you take the argument that "stories are just text" to the next level... then text is nothing but words...and words are nothing but letters...and letters nothing but geometric shapes and lines...and as such, have no meaning, or value.

On a certain level, everything becomes meaningless - if you allow yourself to fall for that deconstructionist nonsense. It might make you sound clever in certain faux-intellectual academic circles. But it leaves you with nothing if you embrace it without realizing the intellectual and spiritual cop-out it is.
-40hz (December 27, 2015, 02:19 PM)
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Funny you mention deconstructionism. I was setting trigger levels on my oscilloscope and that exact parallel came to mind; it's basically the same sort of argument - at some point a signal becomes meaningful.

But really... deconstruction is fun in no small part because it creates cognitive dissonance in people where they simply no longer know what to think or say.

10. A man with hair on his head - 1 hair = a main with hair on his head.
20. Goto 10
30. Catch error(return("MWAHAHAHA!"))

Same deal there from the Megarian school in ancient Greece.

The logic when abstracted out is extremely common. You can see it used just about every day in serious discussions. Pointing it out doesn't help either.

40hz:
But really... deconstruction is fun in no small part because it creates cognitive dissonance in people where they simply no longer know what to think or say.
-Renegade (December 28, 2015, 05:05 PM)
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Yeah. I think the term for that is "speechless with rage."  ;) ;D

And that's the problem. It's like intellectual equivalent of cotton candy. It looks like something and tastes good. But it's totally lacking any real nutritional value.  8)

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