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14 year-old boy arrested for creating a digital clock
Renegade:
Pfft. And some people call *me* paranoid. ;)
wraith808:
The police tell local news outlets that while they acknowledge that Mohamed didn't try to perpetrate a bomb hoax, they were also unsatisfied with his explanation.
"He would simply only tell us that it was a clock," police spokesman James McLellan says. "He didn't offer an explanation as to what it was for, why he created this device, why he brought it to school."
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WTF?
Perhaps I can help:
Clock : a device other than a watch for indicating or measuring time commonly by means of hands moving on a dial; broadly : any periodic system by which time is measured
tomos:
I feel partially responsible here for this being dumped in the basement (by even suggesting the possibility):
It's an unfortunate state of affairs. I can understand the frustration, but if you ignore the context of recent history, you're just leaving out too much.
And if that context is introduced, I think it's going to be unfortunately pretty much Basement material...
-tomos (September 16, 2015, 05:02 PM)
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but if you ignore the context of recent history, you're just leaving out too much.
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I'd disagree. Looking at the item in question, you can see that there are no explosives. And the original teacher told him "not to show it to anyone" without telling him why. So the original teacher knew, and even after he told the sequence of events, was not consulted. And they took him away in handcuffs.
A little more common sense and a little less alarmism would have defused this situation before it escalated to the point that it did. After all, if he really was an extremist and they really did think it was a problem- why wasn't the school evacuated? Why was the item taken without a EOD specialist being there first? The excuses don't add up.
-wraith808 (September 16, 2015, 08:31 PM)
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you're talking about the details of what happened - all these questions will hopefully be asked enough that it will bring about some change.
But my point was this:
if you look at why this has happened, and happens again and again, you have to look at all those things. The context. The history. The way society/people have chosen to cope/deal with things.
1) why people/a society chooses fear over (I'm unsure here - maybe it's simply that they choose it)
2) why people are afraid of muslims
3) why people are afraid of what is different
these are not easy questions to answer, especially #1 - people have fear, I think it's a case of then finding an outlet for that fear in them. They can let of steam in a semi-officially approved manner (#2) and sleep well without having to really look at WTF is going on inside of themselves...
wraith808:
Why move things in fear of them becoming problems? Aren't we having the same reactionary mindset in doing so? I remember the day when things were moved to the basement when the conversation starting having a certain turn. Now they're moved when nothing has even happened. And that's just sad. This is a tech issue, and a very real and personal issue to me from my other thread about leaving (it's a hard habit to break). Now, people that have very interesting takes on said issue are excluded, as it's been moved to the place of exclusion. Certain things need to start here. And that's what I thought this was for... a place for discussion of religion and politics and philosophy on a tech board. But now, it seems like it's becoming a dumping ground for things that might turn bad, even if they are tech issues.
Moving onto the topic at hand:
I feel partially responsible here for this being dumped in the basement (by even suggesting the possibility):
It's an unfortunate state of affairs. I can understand the frustration, but if you ignore the context of recent history, you're just leaving out too much.
And if that context is introduced, I think it's going to be unfortunately pretty much Basement material...
-tomos (September 16, 2015, 05:02 PM)
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but if you ignore the context of recent history, you're just leaving out too much.
--- End quote ---
I'd disagree. Looking at the item in question, you can see that there are no explosives. And the original teacher told him "not to show it to anyone" without telling him why. So the original teacher knew, and even after he told the sequence of events, was not consulted. And they took him away in handcuffs.
A little more common sense and a little less alarmism would have defused this situation before it escalated to the point that it did. After all, if he really was an extremist and they really did think it was a problem- why wasn't the school evacuated? Why was the item taken without a EOD specialist being there first? The excuses don't add up.
-wraith808 (September 16, 2015, 08:31 PM)
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you're talking about the details of what happened - all these questions will hopefully be asked enough that it will bring about some change.
But my point was this:
if you look at why this has happened, and happens again and again, you have to look at all those things. The context. The history. The way society/people have chosen to cope/deal with things.
1) why people/a society chooses fear over (I'm unsure here - maybe it's simply that they choose it)
2) why people are afraid of muslims
3) why people are afraid of what is different
these are not easy questions to answer, especially #1 - people have fear, I think it's a case of then finding an outlet for that fear in them. They can let of steam in a semi-officially approved manner (#2) and sleep well without having to really look at WTF is going on inside of themselves...
-tomos (September 18, 2015, 03:09 AM)
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And are our personal fears any excuse for visiting harm on others? They're our personal fears, and we should deal with them personally, IMO, rather than dragging others into our own psychosis.
We as a society need to take responsibility for ourselves. Full and total. And take some kind of personal accountability for what our decisions cause. It's one of the big things that force us to learn. When there are no consequences to our bad actions and the harm that we inflict, people tend to overlook them.
tomos:
^ I agree completely wraith.
Note that I'm not blaming society -- I'm looking at it. Also (as I'm sure you're well aware), in order to take on this 'personal accountability', we will along the way have to reject ideas that are encouraged and approved by society and / or government.
EDIT//
I think it's a sort of a circular thing - if people take on the personal accountability - and reject dodgy ideas that are actively or passively part of society, everything improves.
OTOH if everyone drifts, then things tend to get worse rather than better.
So, I believe that both aspects - individual, and society, are of importance.
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