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phitsc:
I find it weird how people just learned to accept "we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)". It feels like vaccination to me. Yes, with Windows 10 you can turn it off (at least that's what we think). But once this becomes the norm, it maybe won't feel so wrong when you can't turn it off any more.

I don't think we're stuck. There are plenty of options, at least for us tech-savvy folks. Often, they are a lot of work to implement though and by far not as well integrated. I understand how convenient it is if you just enter a single user name and password on your new phone or machine and you have all you addresses, calendar, emails, photos, files, etc. back. But the price we pay is enormous imho.

I'm sure most DCers have read 1984. The direction we're heading seems so obvious. Nevertheless, we just don't want to see it, don't want to accept it. After all, you can just turn it off.

xtabber:
In today's Register, Andrew Orlowski describes "the indiscriminate data slurp that Microsoft calls Windows 10 [as] basically a clumsy, 3GB keylogger."  My feelings exactly!

I will probably have to use W10 eventually, if only to support new hardware, but I'll wait until intrepid pioneers have worked out the details of dealing with the privacy issues.  Remember, a pioneer is the guy lying there with a bunch of arrows in his back.

TaoPhoenix:
I find it weird how people just learned to accept "we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)". It feels like vaccination to me. Yes, with Windows 10 you can turn it off (at least that's what we think). But once this becomes the norm, it maybe won't feel so wrong when you can't turn it off any more.

I don't think we're stuck. There are plenty of options, at least for us tech-savvy folks. Often, they are a lot of work to implement though and by far not as well integrated. I understand how convenient it is if you just enter a single user name and password on your new phone or machine and you have all you addresses, calendar, emails, photos, files, etc. back. But the price we pay is enormous imho.

I'm sure most DCers have read 1984. The direction we're heading seems so obvious. Nevertheless, we just don't want to see it, don't want to accept it. After all, you can just turn it off.
-phitsc (August 06, 2015, 11:13 AM)
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I think we're almost stuck, by their design!
>:(

I'm well aware of the web mail and phone side slurps, but the price to pay of not integrating all your stuff in one place is *also* enormous!

But Desktop PC OS'es used to be "our own little land". "Make it local" and all that. But now that's starting to slip because MS has recovered (?) some momentum somewhere and now they have their new stomping ground called Win10 and I still think a "new cultural shift" that somehow "this is now" that we were able to put off while we all ignored Windows 8. (Not the least that by making this the "second OS", they took the first step to making Win7 semi obsolete.)

This whole culture though still feels like they're successfully doing that Halogen-Light-on-SUV on us. We're all wrapped up still in "silly" little install glitches. Yay Vista 2.0 style griping.

But Sauron over there has (with more time on their hands aka 3 further years) has built untold number of surprises into this one, and it's gonna take us damn near all of our "free year" to ferret out 60% of them.

I don't KNOW when I have been this bothered by an OS!
:o

PS. Ads in Solitaire.

xtabber:
I'm sure most DCers have read 1984. The direction we're heading seems so obvious. -phitsc (August 06, 2015, 11:13 AM)
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More than "1984," which is about oppressive government, I'd suggest reading "The Space Merchants" by Pohl and Kornbluth, which is about where unfettered commercialism, and advertising in particular, can lead the world.

bit:
I find it weird how people just learned to accept "we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders)". It feels like vaccination to me. Yes, with Windows 10 you can turn it off (at least that's what we think). But once this becomes the norm, it maybe won't feel so wrong when you can't turn it off any more.

I don't think we're stuck. There are plenty of options, at least for us tech-savvy folks. Often, they are a lot of work to implement though and by far not as well integrated. I understand how convenient it is if you just enter a single user name and password on your new phone or machine and you have all you addresses, calendar, emails, photos, files, etc. back. But the price we pay is enormous imho.

I'm sure most DCers have read 1984. The direction we're heading seems so obvious. Nevertheless, we just don't want to see it, don't want to accept it. After all, you can just turn it off.
-phitsc (August 06, 2015, 11:13 AM)
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...or the original 'Invasion of the Body Snatchers'.

Just thinking out loud, this reminds me of the cellphones that can be switched on remotely and indetectably, but cannot switch carriers, then methods were found to switch carriers anyway, then the Powers That Be left-brain labeled it 'jail breaking' and tried to outlaw it with oppressive legislation...

But these aren't cellphones, they're PCs with huge sprawling Windows or Windows-alternative OSs that are supposed to be open to creative modifications, and the Windows 10 built-in spyware scene is already creating net-spanning social pressure to do something about it.
And there are alternative OSs to Windows such as Unix, Linux, Apple, and so on.
IOW, it is not a static situation like a tightly sealed box; we can always seek to think outside the 'box' and seek to avoid being 'boxed in'.
That's the virtue of virtual reality; no one entity gets to arbitrarily define it in ways that stay fixed & one-sided with all the rules stacked in their favor.
With cellphones, the self-appointed 'rule-makers' tried to exploit a captive market and cry 'foul' with stupid 'jail breaker' labels.
My PC is no cellphone, but what I'm really getting at is that negative public (i.e. user) feedback to Windows 10 abuses, coupled with people voting with their feet to go elsewhere could theoretically cause Microsoft to backtrack, although at this point it only seems like so much wishful thinking.
But I'm so glad I stuck with WIndows 7 Pro and did not just jump into the free upgrade; it just didn't seem all that inviting to me, nor is it now.

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