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TreeDBNotes Pro - Christmas and New Year Discount: 50%
Dormouse:
Dormouse, I'm particularly interested in chatting with you a bit to see what it's doing for you, and I'm fascinated if you could peek at MyInfo because it became my "replacement winner" once TreeDB self destructed both structurally and with the forum. I found it to be surprisingly close and I think it could be a replacement for you, with a better overall experience if you, as you say, "just use it for writing".
Also the MyInfo dev also responds by email for specific questions, and according to my email, he just posted a new update on Dec 11. (Modest bugfix update, but apparently it can also now auto-lookup new versions...)
-TaoPhoenix (January 06, 2015, 10:31 AM)
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Hi,
I briefly trialled MyInfo some time ago (6.17) and didn't take to it. I'll have another look when 7 eventually comes out, but I don't think it is likely to offer an environment that is comfortable for me to work in. Features and functionality are good, but I find, for writing, that comfort in the "environment" makes the most difference to productivity.
What I like about TreeDBNotes for writing is the very full toolbar (I have all options open - and the styles at the bottom), the extensive right click menu, and the ability to write/edit in a pop out without all the PIM clutter. This gives it a strong multipurpose value for me.
I have a very extensive collection of programs I use for writing - on all platforms. None are remotely ideal, and I tend to use the one that is best suited to the task and situation at the time. And I don't see much development anywhere.
TaoPhoenix:
I ran into a deadly bug that severely damaged the structure of the tree! [...] So I cannot recommend this program!-TaoPhoenix (January 01, 2015, 12:59 AM)
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What was their response when you reported the bug?
-rjbull (January 01, 2015, 03:48 PM)
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None. [...]
-TaoPhoenix (January 06, 2015, 10:31 AM)
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Ugh. That gives me no confidence in the program. One for shelfware at best. Are they a one-man-band on a hobby project that didn't generate enough income to warrant, or enable, support?
-rjbull (January 07, 2015, 02:38 PM)
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Well, I think unfortunately it's more complicated than that.
They *used to have* a decent forum that the dev (and users) could converse in, and the dev did answer questions with modest delays.
Then the warning bells went off when they didn't just "freeze" the forum, but *nuked it* and replaced it with this blind suspicious form that doesn't get answered.
See, you guys are programmers. If you were struggling with a project, you would have found any of several desperate ways to handle it, from "sorry, this forum is legacy and new updates will be very sparse", or in the form, "your bug note has been received, however, we have to cut back on our support resources" or something.
But this big switch to a form that basically goes nowhere, was beyond a ref flag, it was like dumping a bucket of red paint on the bull, because there might not be anyone at all doing support, and some cheap marketing outfit might have a legacy program and is trying to squeeze a few more nickels out of new ... uh ... people.
And it wasn't just an annoying little bug, it was a nuclear grade one that damaged the entire structure of the note tree!
:tellme: >:(
So though I used to like them, if you then change owners and but the best plasma cannon Star Trek credits can buy and point it at your face, then ... well ... I have to pick a new program!
Let's try it this way:
This sad-rant started because Mr. Ennovy posted "grade D ad" ... and never read the thread ever again.
TaoPhoenix:
Dormouse, I'm particularly interested in chatting with you a bit to see what it's doing for you, and I'm fascinated if you could peek at MyInfo because it became my "replacement winner" once TreeDB self destructed both structurally and with the forum. I found it to be surprisingly close and I think it could be a replacement for you, with a better overall experience if you, as you say, "just use it for writing".
Also the MyInfo dev also responds by email for specific questions, and according to my email, he just posted a new update on Dec 11. (Modest bugfix update, but apparently it can also now auto-lookup new versions...)
-TaoPhoenix (January 06, 2015, 10:31 AM)
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Hi,
I briefly trialled MyInfo some time ago (6.17) and didn't take to it. I'll have another look when 7 eventually comes out, but I don't think it is likely to offer an environment that is comfortable for me to work in. Features and functionality are good, but I find, for writing, that comfort in the "environment" makes the most difference to productivity.
What I like about TreeDBNotes for writing is the very full toolbar (I have all options open - and the styles at the bottom), the extensive right click menu, and the ability to write/edit in a pop out without all the PIM clutter. This gives it a strong multipurpose value for me.
I have a very extensive collection of programs I use for writing - on all platforms. None are remotely ideal, and I tend to use the one that is best suited to the task and situation at the time. And I don't see much development anywhere.
-Dormouse (January 08, 2015, 05:48 AM)
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Completely fair. Some of all that was the reason why it won my personal survey in the first place. But re-phrased from elsewhere in the thread, I want to warn you that the bug I ran into, was that suppose you make a note element in your writing, then you decide to move some of them around. TreeDB wasn't keeping the moved new structure, and instead dropping semi-random nodes back where they started, so just when you thought you had a new structure, it ends up a garbled mess!
:tellme:
So upon thus being absolutely forced to get a new program, it came down to features in the replacement. I absolutely had to have a certain web export, that only MyInfo (currently) has. But I agree if that's not your particular thing, other programs could come closer to your comfort type finesses you need.
Dormouse:
Then the warning bells went off when they didn't just "freeze" the forum, but *nuked it* and replaced it with this blind suspicious form that doesn't get answered.
But this big switch to a form that basically goes nowhere, was beyond a ref flag, it was like dumping a bucket of red paint on the bull, because there might not be anyone at all doing support, and some cheap marketing outfit might have a legacy program and is trying to squeeze a few more nickels out of new ... uh ... people.
-TaoPhoenix (January 08, 2015, 09:23 AM)
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A lot of "mights"
So though I used to like them, if you then change owners and but the best plasma cannon Star Trek credits can buy and point it at your face, then ... well ... I have to pick a new program!
-TaoPhoenix (January 08, 2015, 09:23 AM)
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And an "if".
I've no idea what happened, or whether it has changed hands, and never really expected to see another update - but there have been a few.
My impression was that the forum was closed because of all the criticism about the lack of development. I've noticed a few authors do that. When the forum becomes toxic then it usually doesn't last unless they delete threads and/or ban particular posters.
It happened at the same time a number of similar programs seemed to go into meltdown, so I assume sales went through the floor and didn't justify further investment of time. Ultra Recall announced no further development, but then did get updated.
And my impression was that support was always a bit limited although there was a certain amount of responsiveness in the forum.
TaoPhoenix:
Then the warning bells went off when they didn't just "freeze" the forum, but *nuked it* and replaced it with this blind suspicious form that doesn't get answered.
But this big switch to a form that basically goes nowhere, was beyond a ref flag, it was like dumping a bucket of red paint on the bull, because there might not be anyone at all doing support, and some cheap marketing outfit might have a legacy program and is trying to squeeze a few more nickels out of new ... uh ... people.
-TaoPhoenix (January 08, 2015, 09:23 AM)
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A lot of "mights"
So though I used to like them, if you then change owners and but the best plasma cannon Star Trek credits can buy and point it at your face, then ... well ... I have to pick a new program!
-TaoPhoenix (January 08, 2015, 09:23 AM)
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And an "if".
I've no idea what happened, or whether it has changed hands, and never really expected to see another update - but there have been a few.
My impression was that the forum was closed because of all the criticism about the lack of development. I've noticed a few authors do that. When the forum becomes toxic then it usually doesn't last unless they delete threads and/or ban particular posters.
It happened at the same time a number of similar programs seemed to go into meltdown, so I assume sales went through the floor and didn't justify further investment of time. Ultra Recall announced no further development, but then did get updated.
And my impression was that support was always a bit limited although there was a certain amount of responsiveness in the forum.
-Dormouse (January 08, 2015, 10:25 AM)
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This is the key phrase I would like to borrow.
I understand if support is *limited*. Though it's hard to know what bug could be worse than destroying your entire note structure, but hey, the warning bell went off when my bug report went completely black and this thread has seen three other people get no replies either.
Incidentally, you're somewhat right about updates, since I posted that bug at that time, at a little later time I did see a new version appear ... with the same bug! That was the final push to complete my program switchover, since I had hoped the new version would have quietly fixed the bug.
As someone with some little experience of the outsourcing sites, I have *zero* respect for "black walls of silence". You can hire people for *$2 per hour* to just "say things" and do a "few other things". (Like copy and paste support questions into a file and give them back one of seven canned responses from their script). So even a "useless" reply would have at least sent the signal that someone was behind the wheel. Instead, we get the guy here who wants a new sale. *That's the disconnect*.
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