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The Declaration of Independance- some scholars say we've been reading it wrong.
Vurbal:
That would scare the b'jeez out of me given the mindset of the freaks in power that do everything for our "safety".
-Renegade (July 09, 2014, 06:46 PM)
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Don't misunderstand me. I don't mean the government needs to rewrite it. I'm referring to the next time we get enough of the mentally numb masses to pull their thumbs out of their asses and do something democratic. That's always the end of the cycles we're talking about. OTOH the quicker the government runs things into the ground, the better our odds people will stand up and do something meaningful.
I'm not really even saying I think it's going to be the end result this time around. We have further to fall before I see it as viable. I just figure those of us who are already 10 steps ahead should focus on the long game. Everything else is just dwelling on the problem.
app103:
But it doesn't matter.
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
The psychopaths out there will read anything and come up with anything. That it is the declaration of independence doesn't matter -- it is good enough that it was written in the same century by the same basic group as the fellows who wrote the Constitution. Logic doesn't matter. Reason is irrelevant. The psychopaths follow the same basic patterns all the time. They grasp at straws and bray like donkeys until they get their way. We see this regularly. The entire SOPA/PIPA/etc. thing was a good example. The same nutjobs came back with the same nonsense again. They latch onto anything remotely related to any issue and pursue it until they get it. They don't take no for an answer. This will be the same basic deal because it's "close enough".
-Renegade (July 09, 2014, 06:46 PM)
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But why bother with the Declaration of Independence, which predates the founding of this country, when there are so many better documents to mess with that have much greater potential for accomplishing so much, in the way of a psychopathic power grab? Why not attack the Constitution itself, and reveal it as a complete fraud, and produce a document declaring your family as the rightful royal heirs to the crown of the USA, as willed to your family by the childless George Washington himself, this country's first King? Then march your gun nut psychopathic patriot army right into Washington DC, kick the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court off your brand new property, put yourself in charge of everything, and either shoot or lock up anyone that disagrees with you (without a trial), and make everyone live by your psychopathic rules?
If you are going to distort history and use its historical documents to do it, might as well go all the way with your psychopathic distortions. You would have a better chance of success messing with the Constitution and the last will & testament of George Washington to do it, than a punctuation mark in the Declaration of Independence. ;)
Renegade:
But it doesn't matter.
Perhaps I'm not being clear enough.
The psychopaths out there will read anything and come up with anything. That it is the declaration of independence doesn't matter -- it is good enough that it was written in the same century by the same basic group as the fellows who wrote the Constitution. Logic doesn't matter. Reason is irrelevant. The psychopaths follow the same basic patterns all the time. They grasp at straws and bray like donkeys until they get their way. We see this regularly. The entire SOPA/PIPA/etc. thing was a good example. The same nutjobs came back with the same nonsense again. They latch onto anything remotely related to any issue and pursue it until they get it. They don't take no for an answer. This will be the same basic deal because it's "close enough".
-Renegade (July 09, 2014, 06:46 PM)
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But why bother with the Declaration of Independence, which predates the founding of this country, when there are so many better documents to mess with that have much greater potential for accomplishing so much, in the way of a psychopathic power grab? Why not attack the Constitution itself, and reveal it as a complete fraud, and produce a document declaring your family as the rightful royal heirs to the crown of the USA, as willed to your family by the childless George Washington himself, this country's first King? Then march your gun nut psychopathic patriot army right into Washington DC, kick the President, Congress, and the Supreme Court off your brand new property, put yourself in charge of everything, and either shoot or lock up anyone that disagrees with you (without a trial), and make everyone live by your psychopathic rules?
If you are going to distort history and use its historical documents to do it, might as well go all the way with your psychopathic distortions. You would have a better chance of success messing with the Constitution and the last will & testament of George Washington to do it, than a punctuation mark in the Declaration of Independence. ;)
-app103 (July 09, 2014, 08:34 PM)
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You're trying to be rational. Stop.
They're not rational (in the sense that you or I would normally ascribe to "rational" - but which is not to say there isn't a method to their madness).
Ever listen to Congressional debates (or parliamentary debates, etc.)?
In my car, the radio station that gets the best reception and that isn't just complete crap runs Parliament House all the time, so I listen to quite a fair bit of what the nutjobs have to say.
Very little of it is remotely rational. It's overwhelmingly emotional appeals and drivel with a truckload of lies mixed in for good measure. And whenever they're not screaming at each other with lies & emotional appeals, they're having a nice big circle-jerk about one thing or another, and patting each other on the back for the wonderful jobs they all do.
Quite literally, the majority of speeches I hear eventually get around to "think of the children". Really. Mining tax? Think of the children. Veterans affairs? Think of the children. Carbon tax? Think of the children. Janitors in government buildings? Think of the children. All of those are actual debates & speeches over the last little while in Parliament House where... wait for it... everyone was asked to "think of the children".
Just so that you don't think I'm making this up...
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansards%2Ffd08384e-4628-4d04-b897-ef2eac7c98e8%2F0021%22
So do not come into this place, Senator Wong, with your hypocrisy and tell us about intergenerational burden, when you left our children and our grandchildren with an enormous debt and deficit disaster.
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http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansards%2Fd1c77497-38f3-4411-ace9-fd69e2e4f785%2F0184%22
Renewable energy technologies are doing well, not only as a new innovative form of industry but also in providing a benefit to the environment, to the community, to our children and to future generations.
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There I was reminded about future generations and about the importance of these bills in creating a sustainable future for our young people and for their children to come.
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http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;query=Id%3A%22chamber%2Fhansards%2F6f9f953f-268b-4ac0-8ad4-08ce06f942d0%2F0262%22
My only comment on the debate is that the hard work of the Abbott government in fixing the financial mess that our government finds itself in because of the previous government will mean that those leaving us will live a better future—their future lives will be better, as will be those of their children and grandchildren.
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But, it's not just Down Under...
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-113hhrg79938/html/CHRG-113hhrg79938.htm
I have included a picture of Russell with his two children
at the end of my testimony and the reason I've done that is, I
think it is important for all of us, when I read the Suicide
Data Report, the one thing that is missing in this Suicide Data
Report are the names of the individuals, the names of the
families, the names of the loved ones that are affected and
impacted by these tragic deaths. And I think it is important
for all of us to remember that.
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For another example of "the children":
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-tracy/uk-porn-filters-are-censo_b_5564553.html
This January, under government pressure, many of the United Kingdom’s internet service providers (ISPs) — together providing over 90 percent of the country’s home broadband connections — turned on “porn filters” for all of their customers, requiring them to actively turn off the filters to view any content deemed unsuitable. Prime Minister David Cameron pushed the program through under the guise of protecting the “innocence of children,” but as warned by opponents of Internet regulation, the filters are now blocking large amounts of clean content.
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Hmm... ain't quite working out like it was advertised, eh? 8)
You're never going to "win" a debate against that kind of lunacy by trying to be sane or rational. Logic and reason have nothing to do with anything there.
It's better to look at the reality distortion field that they exist in, see "how they rationalise" and then use that distorted lens to project where things will end up.
Vurbal:
One convenient thing about being autistic is that crap has never worked on me. Even as a teenager, Ronald "The Great Communicator" Reagan just seemed like a doddering old half wit because all I paid attention to was the actual words. Now that speeches, press conferences, debates, and the like are available in transcript form almost in real time it's not even an issue.
Even the average moron on the street is harder to fool that way. Too bad the average idiot is also to lazy to read what they can watch on TV. It didn't get the nickname Idiot Box for nothing.
app103:
You're trying to be rational. Stop.
-Renegade (July 09, 2014, 10:21 PM)
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Wait...what? You thought that was rational? :o
I am not too sure how I should interpret that. :-\
Too bad the average idiot is also to lazy to read what they can watch on TV. It didn't get the nickname Idiot Box for nothing.
-Vurbal (July 09, 2014, 10:44 PM)
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But why bother to watch the BS on TV when someone else's even worse interpretation of it can be summed up in a 480x360 graphic on Facebook, complete with a sentence or two of misspelled text & bad grammar, and a link to a site of questionable validity, built by a mentally ill individual that very likely has an entire tinfoil wardrobe? And you don't even have to Google it to see if they are talking out of their ass or not, before liking it and resharing it, to spread it's BS message to your friends & family, who most are likely to be just as uneducated, gullible, & lazy.
Of course that won't remove all of those people from the world, that actually have a brain and know how to use it, but you can just quickly block or unfriend them when they correct your BS, so that nobody else will know just how stupid and lazy you really are. ;)
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