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wraith808:
https://beta.startmail.com/

Beta signups are over, though.

IainB:
@Edvard: Many thanks for all that info.

wraith808:
Well, it appears that ProtonMail is going crowdsourced to keep up with the demand.  Just received this e-mail today...

Dear ProtonMail supporter,

Thank you for patiently waiting for the activation of your account while we increase capacity. Since ProtonMail beta launched one month ago, a huge number of people from around the world have requested ProtonMail accounts. The world is ready for privacy.

We want to provide free ProtonMail accounts to everyone so we have launched a crowdfunding campaign to raise money for additional servers. If we hit our target, we should be able to accommodate everybody on our waiting list by the end of July.

If you would like to contribute to our Crowdfunding campaign, you can visit it here:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/protonmail

This is how real change happens: every contribution, no matter how small, gets us closer to enabling privacy for everyone. Online privacy and freedom touch each and every one of us. If we all stand together, we can build the future we want.

Thank you for supporting our fight to restore privacy.

Your ProtonMail Team
Andy, Jason, and Wei


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We sent you this email because you are on our waiting list.
If you no longer need a ProtonMail account, consider taking yourself off the waiting list to make room for others:
https://protonmail.ch/invite/invite-settings.php

This email was sent by:
ProtonMail, Case postale 575, Geneva 1215, Switzerland

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One might wonder, however, if the initial invites were to generate a critical mass, which this is taking advantage of...

40hz:
My problem is that something like this makes it so easy for all the world's intelligence services to be able to target a single nexus for e-mails that actually might have something worth hiding in them. Why not just paint a bullseye on the server farm while they're at it.

Zero access? End to end encryption? Great on a technical level - and in theory.

Unfortunately, here's how signal intelligence tends to work in the real world.



It's a whole different world now. Governments no longer play by the rules or respect the law. Not even their own when it doesn't suit them.

Reminder: this is not a tech challenge we've got here. It's a people problem. :huh:

Renegade:
My problem is that something like this makes it so easy for all the world's intelligence services to be able to target a single nexus for e-mails that actually might have something worth hiding in them. Why not just paint a bullseye on the server farm while they're at it.

Zero access? End to end encryption? Great on a technical level - and in theory.

Unfortunately, here's how signal intelligence tends to work in the real world.
 (see attachment in previous post)
It's a whole different world now. Governments no longer play by the rules or respect the law. Not even their own when it doesn't suit them.

Reminder: this is not a tech challenge we've got here. It's a people problem. :huh:
-40hz (June 18, 2014, 06:34 PM)
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I'm almost 100% in agreement there. The problem now is that cryptography has advanced yet once again making the $5 wrench quite obsolete.

With multi-signature in Bitcoin, you no longer have that same single point of failure. Sure, you can turn over your private keys, but that won't help when more than 1 key is needed.

So the thugs then need to go out and kidnap someone else and get their private keys as well.

It's certainly not perfect - but it makes the single point of failure a thing of the past, and makes breaking into encrypted data just that much harder.

Red Queen anyone? ;D

It's a whole different world now. Governments no longer play by the rules or respect the law. Not even their own when it doesn't suit them.

Reminder: this is not a tech challenge we've got here. It's a people problem. :huh:
-40hz (June 18, 2014, 06:34 PM)
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+100%, but let's go a bit further still. ;)

Which reminds me of this:



Or a more artistic version that expresses the idea a bit better:



Or a variation on that (rather large):

Spoiler

Yet again more arguments for decentralised systems that are guaranteed to freak out a lot of people who are very much attached to centralised models (which we know are fragile and catastrophic when they fail). But, y'know... screw logic because tradition. ;)

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