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Is there an AV App that Doesn't Eventually Become Bloatware?
mouser:
guys please try to be respectful and keep your powder dry as they say 8)
we are all friends here.
4vrqrisPt:
Hi, Yes mouser,you're right.
and to Josh:I appreciate your conciliatory answer.
There was nothing in my original post to indicate an attack on your views.Quite the contrary.Just re-read it.
It's all in interpretation.
Granted,my experience has been with non Corporate- or Enterprise
editions of Symantec.
Even so,if my- or anyone elses experience has been that the software
is bloated or is a memory or CPU hog,they should be able to express that.This in no way indicates a personal attack on somebody's views.
Like I said:"Just another point of view".
We are all users of software.I don't see my role as a defender of a certain piece of software.
I'm not an employee of those companies and even if I were,I would not defend anything that is not quite right.
As to questioning your ability to check memory:It was certainly not meant that way,but it is easily overlooked how many processes or services are involved in the running of certain software.
Well that's it for now
Pete.
Josh:
Hi, Yes mouser,you're right.
and to Josh:I appreciate your conciliatory answer.
There was nothing in my original post to indicate an attack on your views.Quite the contrary.Just re-read it.
It's all in interpretation.
Granted,my experience has been with non Corporate- or Enterprise
editions of Symantec.
Even so,if my- or anyone elses experience has been that the software
is bloated or is a memory or CPU hog,they should be able to express that.This in no way indicates a personal attack on somebody's views.
Like I said:"Just another point of view".
We are all users of software.I don't see my role as a defender of a certain piece of software.
I'm not an employee of those companies and even if I were,I would not defend anything that is not quite right.
As to questioning your ability to check memory:It was certainly not meant that way,but it is easily overlooked how many processes or services are involved in the running of certain software.
Well that's it for now
Pete.
-4vrqrisPt (May 21, 2006, 02:05 PM)
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Again, after re-reading, I understand your point and comments. I am used to being forced to have to "defend" myself against people who are quite ready to attack on the sites that arent as nice as this one where people actually use common sense.
Anyways, You are right, it is quite easy to overlook the processes being used by a program as complex as an a/v. I agree completely with you that the home line of products is indeed becoming top-heavy, but I dont consider it "bloated" yet. Bloated would the inclusion of unnecessary features, and none of the features I see in norton's home line are to the point that I would deem unnecessary or "useless". You just have to remember, a useless feature to one, might be a godsend/make all feature to someone else.
Anyways, glad to see you did indeed respond to me and hope you wont take this as a hit on your impression of my character.
f0dder:
Anyways, You are right, it is quite easy to overlook the processes being used by a program as complex as an a/v.
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Indeed. And the kernel-mode components aren't even visible in taskmgr or process explorer... then there's all the various services that some of the products include (scheduler, on-demand engine, bla bla bla).
Bloated would the inclusion of unnecessary features, and none of the features I see in norton's home line are to the point that I would deem unnecessary or "useless".
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Remember that there's both feature- and code-bloat. The home editions certainly suffer from code bloat... sluggish memory/cpu hogs. And aren't they using the MSHTML control for configuration? I remember there was one AV soft doing this, and I think it's Symantec/Norton home edition.
4vrqrisPt:
Hi, this will be a combination answer to Josh and f0dder:
To Josh:Thanks for your clarification.
I am used to being forced to have to "defend" myself against people who are quite ready to attack on the sites that arent as nice as this one where people actually use common sense.
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I understand,but that is purely a personal thing.Nobody forces you to do anything(Government excluded,I guess :) )
The point being,you have one experience,someone else has another.
That doesn't make either one, right or wrong.
You are right about the perception of "bloat".In a strictly AV application there may be little feature bloat, but then I come
to f0dder's assessment.
[Remember that there's both feature- and code-bloat. The home editions certainly suffer from code bloat... sluggish memory/cpu hogs./quote]
For me that happened to be true, and also
Anyways, You are right, it is quite easy to overlook the processes being used by a program as complex as an a/v.
Indeed. And the kernel-mode components aren't even visible in taskmgr or process explorer... then there's all the various services that some of the products include (scheduler, on-demand engine, bla bla bla).
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I was amazed what I found when you do some digging,
by using Sysinternals Process Explorer or even FaberToys.
I am not referring to any particular program,but many apps are using
components or modules,that show up under Windows Explorer or svchost.
Yet in TaskManager their main executable shows a respectful use of
memory and CPU.But like I said,Windows Explorer may very well have increased its use of Memory/CPU.
The average person will not know what really happened.
It's only when you start digging that you find out why certain apps
are slowing your system.
All this is to say that if one is happy with a certain program,
keep it, if not "out she goes".
For me there is no emotional attachment.
I might defend an author or developer (like "mouser")if I feel
that their integrity is attacked,but as to software,sometimes
there are as many opinions and experiences as there are people :)
So,back to finding an AV program without "bloat" :)
Pete.
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