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Am I the only person that has a real big problem with software like this?
Stoic Joker:
Let's see a show of hands.
Am I the only one with my hand up?
-app103 (October 06, 2013, 12:58 PM)
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Nope...me too, and in my case the breach of privacy radically exacerbated the situation. It also forced me to up my game because trust was lost for many years after for one parent...and never again for the other.
wraith808:
And so, what this proves is that situations are different, as are parents.
And again, the most important part- I respect and listen to my children. That seems to be a real fact that people ignore in this conversation.
-wraith808 (October 06, 2013, 10:54 AM)
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cmpm:
I can only say what we did with our kids. And what I did when I was younger.
We (my wife and I), made it a point to be honest with our 2 boys. And made it a point to see that they were and even now to stay honest in our communication and living. And yeah, we all blow it sometimes.
Both of our boys were into the net and computers early in their lives. And yes we found out they were looking at porn and other stuff. Not by spying on them, but we found out anyway. Common sense really. I told them both that I could not stop them from looking at it. I have looked at it too. But, I explained that if you or anyone looks at porn too much it will affect your good judgment and eventually rule your thinking. Same as with most anything I suppose. So, basically, some sound smart thinking about where you want your mind to develop.
We talked and still talk, treating them with respect for privacy and trust. And we expect them to do the same or better with us. We will point out lies if they happen, and expect the same toward us. To speak of lies as not telling the truth, rather then calling anyone a liar. Or for that matter, we have a rule to never do any name-calling. And yeah we all have broken that rule. And still try our best not to, like anything else we try to live.
Far from perfect, but we do enjoy each others company.
Our boys are well past 18, and we still build on what we have developed in our relationships. They are still our children, and always will be. And we still have to live with respect to each other.
We don't have any girls, so I can't comment on that, since I don't have any experience being the father of a girl. May be different or not, I just can't say.
TaoPhoenix:
I'll add a new angle:
From the "data logging" point of view, that data will travel around and esp in the "great age switchover" at 18 and 21, that data could be ordered by the cops for all kinds of other uses!
Just an easy couple:
- Automated tickets for parents speeding "without an emergency". X % of Dads have "Leadfeet"!
- contacts - because the guy your kid knew at say 16 might begin to slide and get in trouble at 19 and then the phone data could be used as criminal evidence since they seem to magically be finding exceptions to search and seizure rules!
Renegade:
I'll add a new angle:
From the "data logging" point of view, that data will travel around and esp in the "great age switchover" at 18 and 21, that data could be ordered by the cops for all kinds of other uses!
-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 03:19 AM)
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You're crossing over into the adult area. That's an entirely different topic from kids. Spying on adult children is, well, reprehensible at best.
Just an easy couple:
- Automated tickets for parents speeding "without an emergency". X % of Dads have "Leadfeet"!
-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 03:19 AM)
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Which is why any data collected shouldn't be shared outside the family. ;) What kind of moron would log data and give it to the police?
- contacts - because the guy your kid knew at say 16 might begin to slide and get in trouble at 19 and then the phone data could be used as criminal evidence since they seem to magically be finding exceptions to search and seizure rules!
-TaoPhoenix (October 07, 2013, 03:19 AM)
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All the more reason to scale back any monitoring as kids get older.
I've started with perfectly innocent links, and within a half dozen clicks I've inadvertently ended up at some seriously sick, disturbed, demented perversions. (No - I don't mean pron.) There are gateways out there that young kids really shouldn't be getting into. Being able to control or limit that for kids is just being responsible. However... that can't go on forever. The reigns must be slowly loosened until you finally let go. Nobody has any business putting reigns on another adult.
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