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Head of Congressional Intelligence Committee: “You Can’t Have Your Privacy Violated If You Don’t KNOW Your Privacy Is Violated”
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-Renegade (October 31, 2013, 11:13 PM)
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Mark Zuckerberg Likes this!

This *isn't* new.  (Which we seem to agree on).
It's just that ... we ignored it.
-wraith808 (October 31, 2013, 08:24 AM)
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Well, for interesting collections of "we".

To borrow the meme from the other thread, "The TinFoil Hats noticed, but no one takes TinFoil hats seriously, then it doesn't matter". Put a bit more proactively, I've been on Slashdot for years now and "we" noticed it in fine dandy form over there, but "hey, who cares about Slashdot, right?"

So you're sorta right that it's a little different now, Spin Doctors will spin, but they've had to at least think up a new message because they can't quite hide behind their old school obscurity anymore.

Unfortunately it's making them get more aggressive even than before flaunting how much they can abuse the Consitution! But whereas they kinda had a status quo, "spies do spy things, just stay out of our way", it was "sorta okay".

But we're reaching a new level of tension that feels like it's more brittle, and will one day finally tip over back into A Moment when it finally swings the other way. But that's an unknown amount of time out ahead!

The 'we' used there is the greater we.  Which, indeed, unless you're actively doing something about it...

Well, there's two sides, not three.

And on the revelation front, the guardian has posted a new piece:

And on the revelation front, the guardian has posted a new piece:
-wraith808 (November 01, 2013, 01:29 PM)
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I still need to get around to reading that...

But there's another story and it's shorter:

While Edward Snowden may be reviled at the top echelons of Western developed nations and is wanted in his native US on espionage charges for peeling back the curtain on how the gargantuan government machine truly works when it is not only engaged in chronic spying on anyone abroad, but worse, on its own people, the reality is that his whistleblowing revelations have done more to shift the narrative to the topic of dwindling individual liberties abused pervasively in the US and elsewhere, than anything else in recent years. And alongside that, have led to the first reform momentum of a system that is deeply broken. Which also happens to be the topic of a five-paragraph opinion piece he released today in German weekly Der Spiegel titled "A Manifesto For The Truth" in which he writes that his revelations have been useful and society will benefit from them and that he was therefore justified in revealing the methods and targets of the US secret service.

In the Op-Ed we read that "Instead of causing damage, the usefulness of the new public knowledge for society is now clear because reforms to politics, supervision and laws are being suggested."

RT adds: "Spying as a global problem requires global solutions, he said, stressing that "criminal surveillance programs" by secret services threaten open societies, individual privacy and freedom of opinion.

"Citizens have to fight against the suppression of information about affairs of essential importance for the public,” Snowden said in his five-paragraph manifesto. Hence, “those who speak the truth are not committing a crime."
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In Soviet Amerika, crime commit you. :P

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. – C.S. Lewis

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