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Knight to queen's bishop 3 - Snowden charged with espionage.
Renegade:
Upcoming interview - Woz on the NSA:
http://rt.com/news/wozniak-interview-apple-nsa-121/
RT finds out what Apple’s Wozniak thinks of the NSA leaks scandal [PREVIEW]
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Should be interesting.
TaoPhoenix:
Not exactly Snowden, but def in these lines:
(Lifted heavily from Slashdot)
DOJ: Defendant Has No Standing To Oppose Use of Phone Records
Posted by Unknown Lamer on Monday October 14, 2013 @08:01PM
from the defense-is-futile dept.
An anonymous reader writes with news of a man caught by the NSA dragnet for donating a small sum of money to an organization that the federal government considered terrorist in nature. The man is having problems mounting an appeal. From the article: "Seven months after his conviction, Basaaly Moalin's defense attorney moved for a new trial, arguing that evidence collected about him under the government's recently disclosed dragnet telephone surveillance program violated his constitutional and statutory rights. ... The government's response (PDF), filed on September 30th, is a heavily redacted opposition arguing that when law enforcement can monitor one person's information without a warrant, it can monitor everyone's information, 'regardless of the collection's expanse.' Notably, the government is also arguing that no one other than the company that provided the information — including the defendant in this case — has the right to challenge this disclosure in court." This goes far beyond the third party doctrine, effectively prosecuting someone and depriving them of the ability to defend themselves by declaring that they have no standing to refute the evidence used against them.
http://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Opposition.pdf
Renegade:
Not sure if I posted this. Saw it a couple days ago:
http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/10/a-necessary-evil-what-it-takes-for-democracy-to-survive-surveillance/
Richard Stallman chimes in on the topic.
The current level of general surveillance in society is incompatible with human rights. To recover our freedom and restore democracy, we must reduce surveillance to the point where it is possible for whistleblowers of all kinds to talk with journalists without being spotted. To do this reliably, we must reduce the surveillance capacity of the systems we use.
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More at the link.
IainB:
This video tries to sum it all up: Tell Congress and President Obama: "Knock it off and stop the NSA surveillance programs
...Notably, the government is also arguing that no one other than the company that provided the information — including the defendant in this case — has the right to challenge this disclosure in court." This goes far beyond the third party doctrine, effectively prosecuting someone and depriving them of the ability to defend themselves by declaring that they have no standing to refute the evidence used against them.
-TaoPhoenix (October 15, 2013, 04:09 PM)
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The US government police/SS agencies probably didn't see that they had much option but to do what they have done. In order to fulfil their duty to "protect and serve", or whatever, they have had to override the constitution. It has probably by now been irrevocably broken, and there's not much likelihood of going back to the former status.
TaoPhoenix:
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police/SS agencies probably didn't see that they had much option but to do what they have done. In order to fulfil their duty to "protect and serve", or whatever, they have had to override the constitution. It has probably by now been irrevocably broken, and there's not much likelihood of going back to the former status.
-IainB (October 17, 2013, 10:20 PM)
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The problem is that the *Constitution* is *supposed* to be the tie breaker document, and end all discussion!
So when agencies "get uppity" and violate the constitution, that's exactly like me holding a gun to your head and making you divide by zero then publishing a result.
(Typical RP)
"No I won't divide by zero! You can't do that!"
"Yes. Yes you will. And you have thirty-eight seconds to do it."
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