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Worth Reading: Trevor Pott's editorial on NSA PRISM and its real ramifications
Stoic Joker:
Werkz for me, as thanks to the idiots at the NSA the technology/politics line is now quite blurry. I actually sent zridlings earlier post to the company brass in an email as a heads up on what sort of reaction (pushback) to expect out of me regarding cloud solutions going forward.
Private Cloud solutions on our hardware? You betcha! :Thmbsup:
Public Cloud solutions on public servers that are subject to nosey eyeballs? Well todays answer is brought to you by the letters F and O... :)
Tinman57:
Here's some more reading that's pretty scary....
STEPANOVICH: Can you hear me now?
The surveillance state must be reined in
The Constitution assures us that the government will not intrude on our
lives without probable cause. The NSA's collection of telephone metadata is
unprecedented, illegal and very likely unconstitutional. There is simply no
way the government could have demonstrated the requisite grounds to
establish that each of the millions, perhaps billions, of telephone records
of U.S. citizens were relevant to an ongoing investigation.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jun/10/can-you-hear-me-now-361885657/
The Corporate Roots of the NSA Spying Controversy
By Robert Schlesinger
I wonder, though, whether this debate is too narrowly drawn: Is the nub of
the problem too much government surveillance or too much surveillance,
period? After all, the government wouldn't be able to so easily accumulate
all this data on private citizens if private companies weren't collecting it
first.
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http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/2013/06/08/nsa-prism-phone-records-spying-are-built-on-corporate-surveillance
40hz:
I wonder if it's even possible to completely avoid politics and have a "purely technical" discussion about any technology of significance in today's world?
The "problem" with where the US has gone is the same as the "problem" was in the old Soviet Union. Or in modern day China. To wit: there is nothing in such societies that is ever totally divorced from political overtones or considerations. Because politics is everything to those who are currently in power.
As a friend of mine from Soviet Russia once said - politics was inescapable in the Soviet Union. To even say "I am not making a political statement" was seen as a political statement.
If history is anything to go by, once a battle for the control of the public mind breaks out, there's no quarter until one side or another attains complete victory.
8)
Tinman57:
Most all of this crap started from the G.W. Bushy era
-Tinman57 (June 09, 2013, 06:32 PM)
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This is quite false. The problems with invasions of our private communications began under Clinton, at least -CWuestefeld (June 12, 2013, 10:33 AM)
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I was actually talking about the government databases. Either way, a good post.
Stoic Joker:
I wonder if it's even possible to completely avoid politics and have a "purely technical" discussion about any technology of significance in today's world?
-40hz (June 12, 2013, 08:14 PM)
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TBH ...I'll have to go with no...and a qualifier. You see unlike most political (debates?) discussions where there is a chance of galvanizing the participants into sides. Which then results in, the fur starts to fly as the saying goes...and that's best avoided. But, I'm really not seeing any chance of that here as the sides are already clearly defined as us (the people of all lands) against them the quickly becoming meddling oppressors.
This is the badly skewed BS statistics point I was making to wraith earlier. Where are these people that believe PRISM (etc.) is a good and necessary thing?? If anyone reading this (lurker or otherwise) actually believes these programs are good. Then I would ask them to please state so (succinctly is most likely best) here. Should there be any supporters then the thread should be sent to the basement post haste (pun intended).
However if there truly are no supporters of that side (which I highly suspect - But have been wrong before) of the discussion ... Then A. we have in a microcosmic fashion proved my theory, and B. afforded some breathing room for the threads safety here.
Just a thought.
P.S. Should anyone come forward in support of PRISM etc.. Then they should of course be afforded the respect and consideration that DC is known for.
(Pardon the Captain Obvious bit - But I thought it needed said.)
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