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40hz:
It just goes on and on. And unfortunately, nobody really knows the answers because we're venturing into new territory here.
-40hz (January 31, 2013, 08:13 AM)
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You are far more optimistic than I am.
-Renegade (January 31, 2013, 08:32 AM)
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I'm not optimistic at all. I'm a realist and closet cynic. What Microsoft is moving towards is something that has been predicted for the entire industry for a few decades now. There's nothing original or insightful in anything they're doing on this score.
In a linked environment, it's not the device or the software. It's the connections and accessibility that becomes the key factor. Because with the network connection comes the real power. But it comes at a cost since networks depend on standards and regulation to make them workable for large numbers of people. So now we're seeing "personal" and "private" being offered up for sacrifice in exchange for access to a basically free global network with billions of resources hosted on it.
I think it's a very high price to pay. But the younger generation doesn't seem to have a problem with that based on what I've heard many of them saying. But that's nothing new. Aesop even wrote a fable about that very thing.
What Aesop saidThe Dog and the Wolf
A gaunt Wolf was almost dead with hunger when he happened to meet a House-dog who was passing by. “Ah, Cousin,” said the Dog. “I knew how it would be; your irregular life will soon be the ruin of you. Why do you not work steadily as I do, and thereby have your food regularly given to you?”
“I would have no objection,” said the Wolf, “if I could only get a place.”
“I will easily arrange that for you,” said the Dog; “come with me to my Master and you shall share my work.”
So the Wolf and the Dog went towards the town together. On the way there the Wolf noticed that the hair on a certain part of the Dog’s neck was very much worn away, so he asked him how that had come about.
“Oh, it is nothing,” said the Dog. “That is only the place where the collar is put on at night to keep me chained up; it chafes a bit, but one soon gets used to it.”
“Is that all?” said the Wolf. “Then good-bye to you, Master Dog.”
MORAL: Far better to starve and remain free than to become a well-fed slave.
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Renegade:
Now you're just playing me, 40hz~! :P ;D You somehow knew that I have a very soft spot in my heart for Aesop! :D (Among my favourite books is "Aesop without Morals", which is an original translation. Great read! :D ) Playing on getting my sympathy there... consider it done! :D
In a linked environment, it's not the device or the software. It's the connections and accessibility that becomes the key factor. Because with the network connection comes the real power. But it comes at a cost since networks depend on standards and regulation to make them workable for large numbers of people. So now we're seeing "personal" and "private" being offered up for sacrifice in exchange for access to a basically free global network with billions of resources hosted on it.
-40hz (January 31, 2013, 09:05 AM)
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The key there is "linked".
We all know darn well that application software doesn't require a "linked" environment to run. So why pay for that? It's just milking people. Nothing more.
Now, there is value in the "link", but that's in the data transmission, and not in the application.
Cloud storage is a reality now.
Cloud computing is not. And won't be for a while. It's coming, but not here yet.
We simply cannot run heavy duty applications in the cloud. The network just doesn't support it. Yet.
I'll happily side with the wolf there. ;) :Thmbsup:
40hz:
Now you're just playing me, 40hz~! :P ;D You somehow knew that I have a very soft spot in my heart for Aesop! :D (Among my favourite books is "Aesop without Morals", which is an original translation. Great read! :D ) Playing on getting my sympathy there... consider it done! :D-Renegade (January 31, 2013, 09:43 AM)
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Perish the thought I'd stoop to something like that! ;)
The key there is "linked".
We all know darn well that application software doesn't require a "linked" environment to run. So why pay for that? It's just milking people. Nothing more.
Now, there is value in the "link", but that's in the data transmission, and not in the application.
Cloud storage is a reality now.
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The keyword is "linked" in the sense of sharing enabled. Which slides in neatly with shared storage. And "ubiquitous access" as in "my stuff anywhere and on any machine."
Do you absolutely need it? Depends. But it's nice to have. (And that's not dependent on Microsoft as we both know.) But if you can incorporate it into an already popular product line and make it available with a simple mouseclick, it's just one more step towards locking your customers in.
Do you absolutely need it. Depends on what you do. But I found Skydrive to be a blessing when moving docs back and forth between me and my clients. Sure beats e-mailing files back and forth. And all without the need to either set a client up on my server - or me on theirs. Something that's becoming an increasingly touchy subject for many of my clients with all the concerns about network security these days.
So for moderate, ad hoc, or short-term sharing, it works very well.
Cloud computing is not. And won't be for a while. It's coming, but not here yet.
We simply cannot run heavy duty applications in the cloud. The network just doesn't support it. Yet.
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Yes and no. For the average home broadband service on DSL it can be touch and go. But it works much better than I thought it would. On a cable or other standard high-speed connection it's remarkably good. On a dedicated corporate-level fiber connection it just works. Period.
The thing with cloud computing is that to really tap the benefit it will take some rethinking and recoding of many apps to take them from a dedicated PC/CPU architecture to a client/server design. Nothing insurmountable. There's plenty of precedent and best practice behind doing that sort of application. But even so, it's seldom necessary or desirable to have the actual app running on the host unless it's doing something like a huge rendering or gene sequencing task which needed a cluster in order to finish within an average human lifetime.
But it doesn't need to be all cloud or all local. Some sort of PC will always need to be around so you can also do a hybrid approach. On the client side all you'd need is a client app (which would do the heavy lifting in most cases) and something to link to the backend. Most likely for little other than to obtain an authorization token to prove you are currently an active subscriber. That and to take advantage of the increasingly ubiquitous online storage being offered with many apps.
In this scenario, the app is installable via the cloud and is local on your machine. You only need to be able to connect to the web at least once every thirty days for it to greenlight you. Think of it as a web-based version of the old antipiracy hardware dongle all those expensive graphics and music software publishers used to be so fond of.
Adobe is already doing it this way - and I personally think their model is the one that's going to win out long term.
I'll happily side with the wolf there. ;) :Thmbsup:
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Yeah. Me too. ;D
Stoic Joker:
Sorry guys, I like bolt-in parts. They remind me of the good ol' days when I was a mechanic.
Take part out of box.
Bolt part in place.
Part is mine...just so long as I don't break it, fry it, or wear it out.
I didn't subscribe to a parts list.
Now granted I actually did just have a really good time with an Exchange OnLine migration. Pulled all the clients data off of Yahoo and Googles servers (good bit of it too)...and sent it on over to the MS cloud. It went quite smoothly server to server, and synchronized with the client side cache at the same time.
But that's kinda the point really. Because with a client side cache...it's "our" data...not my data...not your data that I need because I created it that you rent me access to. Our data is ok because I still have a copy...and therefore can't get completely screwed. That and Email really was originally designed to be a web based service. So a 5-10 minute outage isn't really noticeable more often than not. Other -mission critical line of business applications - service however are not so flexable.
I've seen several doctors offices experiment with cloud based EMR systems. I have however not yet seen one of those experiments end well.
40hz:
^Hear ya!
And I'm personally hoping it won't pan out for a variety of personal reasons much too tedious to go into...
But I'm not hopeful. Because sooner or later I think this is the direction it's going to go in. And if it's not being bossed by Microsoft, it will be by somebody else. Either way, I can see its inevitability. Because there are forces at work here that are maneuvering to bring this change about. And a good deal of the motivation behind it is neither for technical or purely business reasons.
:o
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