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Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
Renegade:
^ havent heard that one before 40 :up:
Sounds suspiciously like a Libertarian (in the U.S. sense) song though :p
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and wasnt that partly the reason Bitcoin got going in the first place?
-tomos (July 15, 2014, 07:17 PM)
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Bitcoin came out of cryptoanarchyw. Libertarians are what you might call "right" anarchists, who are typically your more peaceful ones (contrast to many "left" anarchists that you see in the news destroying things). But I'm quite certain that a lot of libertarians would object to being called anarchists - many are statists, albeit many are minarchists. But left/right are kind of meaningless. The Nolan chart is a better measure. (Adding axes could continue, but that makes visualisation impossible after the third axes is added, unless you want to start some funky tricks (like you see in visualising hypercubes) that quickly break down.)
Bitcoin certainly feels much more "right" than "left", but that's not really true - Bitcoin is neutral - it can be used any way you want it to be used. Andreas Antonopolous regularly goes on at length about Bitcoin Neutrality. Here's one:
The part that feels "right" is that you actually own your bitcoins in a very real sense when you control the public keys, which isn't true of your bank account balance, etc. So the sense of "property" is pretty strong, and definitely opposed to the "resource based economy" idea that you see in the Venus Project.
But, radical socialism/communism aside, if you accept the idea that it's ok for people to actually own anything, then Bitcoin is neutral.
However... from the wikipedia article linked above:
Described by Vernor Vinge, crypto-anarchy is more specifically anarcho-capitalist, employing cryptography to enable individuals to make consensual economic arrangements and to transcend national boundaries.
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Anarcho-capitalism is basically a logical extension of libertarianism to exclude the coercive violence of the state.
But, here's a screenshot of a search I did on YaCy for "cryptoanarchy":
Does anyone here use Bitcoins?
There are a lot of "Bitcoin" references in there. :)
Searching for "bitcoin" in YaCy doesn't give me any references for "anarchy".
Renegade:
Guess for the moment that's a BTC 2.0e[whatever] worth... :0) which I guess roughly at the moment is 625.18 BTCUSD
Though I'm casually looking for something of a higher resolution quote, if anyone happens to be able to help me there, I'd love it!
-ediblesound (July 15, 2014, 08:47 PM)
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Check out Bitcoin Wisdom:
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/bitstamp/btcusd
It's excellent and also includes other currencies as well. Here's Namecoin:
https://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/btce/nmcbtc
Renegade:
Awesome B-day cake!
(see attachment in previous post)
V!
-Renegade (July 14, 2014, 08:58 AM)
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Something slightly uncomfortable to me about the design of that Color design is the slant, going from top Right to bottom left, which seems to me to be less than auspicious, and I refer to 1215.,org and in the audio ( I think 1 of the set of three, but maybe it's in the set of 12) about the common law there is some description about the Ties worn centuries ago- and the symbolism of a king drawing a sword from it's sheath, and this symbolism basically emerging as the "No Parking" signs and even the little "lnodrop.cur" y'all are probably familiar with.
-ediblesound (July 15, 2014, 08:47 PM)
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The black & yellow flag is the anarcho-capitalist flag. Check my response to tomos above as there's some info about that in there. I'm not sure about the sword imagery though.
ediblesound:
http://i.imgur.com/OM8lWeY.png
I Find that image to pretty well sum things up rather accurately, regardless of the theories one uses to look at the apparent direct experience they experience; The key point being the subjective experience of free agency and the companion point of perspective inherent therewith.
As far as I think about intelligence and systems theory- that's the conclusion I come to- that we have the responsibility and freedom of choice to direct the experience we experience, collectively- though collectively is made up from the core individual seed of this that I think is a great gift of life!
I found good discussion on the topic at the website where the image is sourced from, and this all I found doing a rather amusing and humorous search on images related to the term anarcocapitalism.
The commentary is here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Anarcho_Capitalism/comments/1gyql5/#
which I think very nicely demonstrates the clear reasoning that I think satisfies the balance between responsibility for self and self's environment.
As far as ownership, the best I've encountered in reasoning is that it is ultimately nothing more than a claim requiring demonstration, i.e. proof, and depending on various interpretations of information regarding title and liens and so on, I figure it safe to merely demonstrate proof of being the holder in due course of any title, as well as of being original creditor at least as demonstrable via direct and immediate usufructuary interest and declared clear intent, (i.e. like a living will, acting as the executor of the trust of the "You"/ Name entity)
Based on the comprehension I have garnered from information available branching out from the links I've previously posted, I think there is quite a brilliant system of jurisprudence in play, and I find the whole rules of the game to probably be far more brilliant and enlightening than much of the alternative media and dissent portrays and suggest it to be, all based on that hinge that before you have ownership- there is a claim of it staked, and that the rest of the world is thus hinged on the basic persuasiveness held- which I previously referred to as "advantage"
also fundamental to the way I look at all these related things is that based on how the markets and intelligent creativity work, the experience of any including new advantage seems to me to in no way imply any sort of disadvantaging of some theoretical other, and this because- in the case of the vast variety possible in a market characteristically free see footnote 1 - this because of the spread across time and reason for buying and selling; in other words: advantage can be a WIN-WIN-WIN scenario, with no on at a disadvantage, and the same with an ideal-like sort of competition- it can bring the best of good out of any and all involved- and benefit everyone, BECAUSE of the variety of pursuits possible.
There is no end to problems needing fixing- no end to the solutions that can be found and the leverage of efficiency, and novel design thus enjoyed! There is no reason for a monopoly, and no excuse for it, but people need to actively pursue the advantage they can in order to realize a better picture of this being so!
Just some more thoughts, I'm wary of getting into a work requiring extensive attention to punctuation and so on, such can become unwieldy for me rather quickly!
Awesome B-day cake!
(see attachment in previous post)
V!
-Renegade (July 14, 2014, 08:58 AM)
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Something slightly uncomfortable to me about the design of that Color design is the slant, going from top Right to bottom left, which seems to me to be less than auspicious, and I refer to 1215.,org and in the audio ( I think 1 of the set of three, but maybe it's in the set of 12) about the common law there is some description about the Ties worn centuries ago- and the symbolism of a king drawing a sword from it's sheath, and this symbolism basically emerging as the "No Parking" signs and even the little "lnodrop.cur" y'all are probably familiar with.
-ediblesound (July 15, 2014, 08:47 PM)
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The black & yellow flag is the anarcho-capitalist flag. Check my response to tomos above as there's some info about that in there. I'm not sure about the sword imagery though.
-Renegade (July 15, 2014, 09:17 PM)
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Ok So maybe imagine a middle ages scene where you have somehow crossed a noble , and encountering the noble: They get off a horse, approaching thee, they draw a sword with the right hand, preparing to swipe a head off, or....
That's the imagery, so I am a bit averse to the reverse of that symbolism, and would prefer to have that flag with the diagonal slant going from upper left to lower right, as would it appear were I drawing a sword on the left hip with the right arm- that diagonal is formed by the arm across the chest!
Like the old ties that can still be found more often in second hand goods stores, with the same directional slant in design. Nowadas notice how many people not aware of the historical reason behind the tie's symbolism walk around, and even go to court (and whose court?!!) wearing a tie with a design slanting from upper right to lower left! Foolish!?
Footnote 1:
( I think that a free market is unavoidable, though the CHOICE can be as steep as much as coercion can (theoretically) exist- i.e. the core issues at the bundy ranch (new mexico rancher and recognition of jurisdictions) assertions of controversy, which I feel it wise to be wary of as being a precursor of something to have an idea of what one desires and how to effectively experience it with all the contingencies taken into consideration as much as possible; title to: cars, bodies, life, DNA, time, transactional units- here at discussion with the bitcoin- the same idea must I think be extended in application to all things desired, i.e. ALLODIAL title via the land patent, et cetera!!!)
Renegade:
title to: cars, bodies, life, DNA, time, transactional units- here at discussion with the bitcoin- the same idea must I think be extended in application to all things desired, i.e. ALLODIAL title via the land patent, et cetera!!!)
-ediblesound (July 15, 2014, 11:40 PM)
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Don't get me started on fee simple... I'll just devolve into a blithering mass of profanity and obscenity.
But yes - and it can all be done on the blockchain.
Huntercoin and Namecoin are the coins to look at for the perfect examples.
Let's say that you issue a new address and attach that to something that you own. Later on there's a dispute about who owns it. You have the private key for that address and can demonstrate that it is in your wallet and that you cannot transfer that to yourself (or can transfer it to another wallet), and thus prove your ownership.
This is an address that I own that contains "renegademind.bit":
Now, if we did the same thing by attaching addresses to cars, we could simply transfer ownership of the car by using the "Transfer to:" in there.
The blockchain is far more powerful than most people understand.
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