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BitTorrent Inc. earns $15-20 mn; makes uTorrent Ad-supported to "keep lights on"
wraith808:
Truthfully, I like when a developer knows what they want to do and sticks with it, not adding features to try to make it the be all and end all. BitTorrent isn't meant for certain types of things- it's meant for a large distributed network that allows people to download largish bits of data by the packet from distributed sources with redundant backup, along with the ability to feed this. It's not perfect... but it does it well. The other things- that's why we have other ways of doing things. Focus on making it better within its space is the recipe for success here... not trying to shoehorn it into other spaces IMO.
superboyac:
Truthfully, I like when a developer knows what they want to do and sticks with it, not adding features to try to make it the be all and end all. BitTorrent isn't meant for certain types of things- it's meant for a large distributed network that allows people to download largish bits of data by the packet from distributed sources with redundant backup, along with the ability to feed this. It's not perfect... but it does it well. The other things- that's why we have other ways of doing things. Focus on making it better within its space is the recipe for success here... not trying to shoehorn it into other spaces IMO.
-wraith808 (August 15, 2012, 03:53 PM)
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I'm puzzled that we are being hung up on the labels here. I don't think the goal is to shoehorn anything. If bittorrent doesn't do the requested features, we can look for something that will. If nothing does, perhaps that's an indication that a new protocol or a new idea can be created. I mean, that's how bittorrent got started! It's not like they were saying "Well, ftp just can't deal with decentralized file bits, stop trying to shoehorn it to get it to do that." They looked around, saw nothing that could do it, so they created a brand new thing to do it. innovation.
wraith808:
^ I get what you mean, but I think the reaction that you're getting is towards the idea of including these things into bittorrent, i.e.
torrent is good stuff, but it can be improved. my suggestions:
--ability to add/remove files and folders from an existing torrent that is being shared live already.
--ability to add/block users on a per torrent basis
You add those abilities to the torrent thing and you'll have one badass file sharing system.
-superboyac (August 13, 2012, 10:02 AM)
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So the replies have been more towards adding these things to torrents, which is sort of homogenizing what torrents are away from what they are currently to make it something less concise. Now saying something new (X) should be created with decentralized distribution but having these features would be cool... but when people start trying to build on something existing to take it away from what it currently is meant for to add features you end up with sort of a Frankenstein monster... it's happened before, and I'm sure it will happen again.
* wraith808 shrugs
superboyac:
^ I get what you mean, but I think the reaction that you're getting is towards the idea of including these things into bittorrent, i.e.
torrent is good stuff, but it can be improved. my suggestions:
--ability to add/remove files and folders from an existing torrent that is being shared live already.
--ability to add/block users on a per torrent basis
You add those abilities to the torrent thing and you'll have one badass file sharing system.
-superboyac (August 13, 2012, 10:02 AM)
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So the replies have been more towards adding these things to torrents, which is sort of homogenizing what torrents are away from what they are currently to make it something less concise. Now saying something new (X) should be created with decentralized distribution but having these features would be cool... but when people start trying to build on something existing to take it away from what it currently is meant for to add features you end up with sort of a Frankenstein monster... it's happened before, and I'm sure it will happen again.
* wraith808 shrugs-wraith808 (August 15, 2012, 05:13 PM)
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That's true. And that's fine! I don't mind the frankenstein monster, I'm a fan!
Seriously though, I'm all for trying out all the options until something works. If you can add to an existing technology, great! If not, try a new one! Don't stop until the goal is accomplished. i want to push the progress made the last decade with torrents, to a more flexible and powerful system. Somebody's going to do it and it will be great.
f0dder:
Your points about newsgroups isn't really true. There's a fair amount of overhead because of the protocol and encoding (though it helps a lot if yEnc is used), there's a lot less overhead in torrents. You only get "maximum download speed" if you pay for access to one of the (let's be realistic here) warez-oriented news servers, and retention is usually pretty bad.
DC++ is pretty much just a sucky-in-different-ways FTP, and did anybody use it for anything but warez?
FTP (and FTPS) do suck, being an old and broken protocol, but slow? Connections breaking? Not really, no. Perhaps if you're talking about public-access hacked warez dumps, but not a properly set up server. SFTP is actually SSH and pretty different to FTP/FTPS - please don't confuse the two.
BitTorrent works very well for what it is designed for, and I'd hate seeing somebody trying to frankenstein it into something it isn't suited for. Also, I don't really see the point for your two desired features - sounds like what you probably want is a multi-sourced ftp client combined with warez ftp dumps that are synchronized "however".
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