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40hz:
Nice words of hope 40hz.
However, this whole broad movement is one of the biggest attacks on civil liberties ever. As only a grade C prophet, I can't yet see the signature event that changes things back to the sides of decency.
We need the People's version of 9-11 that we can chant as a meme.
I don't know where that is yet.
-TaoPhoenix (October 24, 2012, 02:31 AM)
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Dunno...
They said that about:
The Assyrians
The Egyptians
The Romans
The Mongols
The Muslims
The Crusaders
The Ottomans
The Church (various)
The Anarchists
The Fascists
The Communists
The Tonton Macoute
The Terrorists
- and-
Sundry sovereign national governments (at different times)...
We've been there. Done that. Wash. Rinse. Spin dry. Repeat as needed.
It's not hope on my part. (I'm one of this planet's most died-in-the-wool cynics! :Thmbsup:)
Vespero mundi expectando* after all.
We don't have to like it. It's just the way it works. ;D
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*In case you're not classically inclined: The evening of the world is to be expected.
IainB:
@40hz: I am sorry to say that the cynic in me regards what you have said as likely to be the inevitable reality.
I usually tell my cynic to stop trying to predict outcomes and just wait and see how events unfold over time. Unfortunately, after waiting and seeing, the predictions are usually shown to be pretty much correct. Apparently, the cynic can sometimes foretell the future. There is nothing mysterious in this. It can seem a dull grey reality.
The implication is that non-cynics might be existing is in a more pleasant - though sometimes frightening because not fully understood - world of fuzzy, warm illusion.
But is there nothing we can do to alter our fates?
H.G.Wells had an interesting approach, and one that I have tested to some success. He considered us as "Prisoned From The Cradle To The Grave". In his "The History of Mr.Polly" he described what we could do to escape:
from Chapter 9 - The Potwell Inn
"But when a man has once broken through the paper walls of everyday circumstance, those unsubstantial walls that hold so many of us securely prisoned from the cradle to the grave, he has made a discovery. If the world does not please you, you can change it. Determine to alter it at any price, and you can change it altogether. You may change it to something sinister and angry, to something appalling, but it may be you will change it to something brighter, something more agreeable, and at the worst something much more interesting. There is only one sort of man who is absolutely to blame for his own misery, and that is the man who finds life dull and dreary. There are no circumstances in the world that determined action cannot alter, unless, perhaps, they are the walls of a prison cell, and even those will dissolve and change, I am told, into the infirmary compartment, at any rate, for the man who can fast with resolution."
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Renegade:
I'm fearful that the police state will lock down communications (the Internet) and control the propaganda machine (the mainstream media) with such incredible technological skill and so well that it will plunge humanity into darkness forever.
-Renegade (October 23, 2012, 09:47 PM)
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Don't be.
Nothing taken by force is ever kept.
And the more advanced the technology, the more brittle the system that controls it.
Superior firepower didn't defeat the Viet Cong.
Superior firepower, satellite surveillance/communications networks, and advanced military intelligence didn't defeat the Taliban or al Quaeda to date.
A full fledged police state that was also one of the greatest military powers the world had ever seen didn't keep the Eastern Bloc or the Soviet Union intact. Or defeat the Afghans.
In the immortal words of Hassan-i Sabbāh (roughly translated from 11th century Persian): Ain't nothing so heavy it can't be knocked on its ass - and everything is cool, Baby!
It's all a matter how you look at things. That and taking the time to actually look.
FNORD!
;) 8)
-40hz (October 24, 2012, 01:56 AM)
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I really hope that you're right...
When I look at things, I see the technocratic elite using technologies that most people think are only in science fiction. Their arsenal of psychological weapons is extremely powerful. Just watch the next US election for the proof. People will vote for Obomney or Robama, thinking that it makes a difference. And they really believe that it makes a difference. Truly and deeply believe. The ability of the technocratic elite to control people's minds is just, well, mind-blowing.
We have an education system that is designed to destroy creativity and individual thought, and mold people into obedient slaves.
We have a controlled media that gets paid to advertise/propagandize for the interests of foreign powers and private interests, and they call it "news".
We have surrendered control of the money system to private interests, and become slaves to debt - an imaginary concept that has no corporeal existence beyond the ability of a group of armed thugs to assault, kidnap, forcibly confine, and murder people.
We have been conned into believing that it is possible for someone to own an idea. <-- This is on topic. ;) ;D
We think that it's a good thing to pay a large band of thugs to rob and steal from us, so that other, usually individual thugs or small bands of thugs, don't rob and steal from us.
We spend money that we don't have, to pay for shit that we don't need, to impress people that we don't even like.
We believe in fictional stories designed to keep us in fear so that we don't try anything new or different.
We accept the most ridiculous notions as hard fact, then fight anyone who tries to expose the truth.
I'm not so sure that a greater lock on people's minds can be broken when the vast majority of people are unwilling to have their minds freed.
However, I am finding that there are people out there that are awake and are realizing what it going on. So, it's not entirely hopeless. But I think we're pretty much at the brink of a technologically powered enslavement that once locked, will never be broken. For ever.
We need the People's version of 9-11 that we can chant as a meme.
-TaoPhoenix (October 24, 2012, 02:31 AM)
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Well, now that you brought it up...
It is 911. The official story is complete bunk.
For Star Wars fans:
For fantasy fans:
For wrestling fans:
This is an orange (2:18):
Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth:
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://www.facebook.com/ae911truth
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/332972#ixzz27YHYXqYQ
Pilots for 911 Truth:
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
911: A Conspiracy Theory (Absolutely hilarious~! Really, this is one of the funniest videos I've ever seen! ;D ) :
http://www.corbettreport.com/911-a-conspiracy-theory/ <---= Has transcript of video.
I'm DYING to post some of the jokes in there... but resisting... No spoilers! :D
Oh dammit... Just one little bit... In a spoiler...
SpoilerIf you have any questions about this story…you are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.
This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.
It is pretty much impossible to actually look at any amount of evidence and still believe the official story. Anyone who believes it simply hasn't looked at *ANY* facts.
The big question then is, "Was 911 an inside job?"
Probably. It's not like Al Quaida has the power to ground the entire US air force and keep it grounded. That kind of needs an insider. And it's pretty unlikely that Al Quaida could rig WTC7 for a controlled demolition. And if you can't handle a small Cessna, you probably can't handle a commercial air liner. And fires that burn hot enough to melt steel you'd probably expect to burn a paper passport. And magical jet fuel fires that burn above any temperature that any jet fuel has ever burned before... And magical fires that manage to collapse buildings perfectly into their own footprint... and... the list goes on and on and on... So, yeah, probably was an inside job.
The sooner people just face the facts and wake up the better.
The question then is, "If 911 was an inside job, what does that say about our governments?"
40hz:
But is there nothing we can do to alter our fates?
-IainB (October 24, 2012, 04:45 AM)
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I think there most certainly is. (Like any true cynic, my cynicism extends to my own cynical outlook BTW. :mrgreen:)
For example, there's this interesting bit of news (link here) which flies in the face of my earlier comment that the last thing legislators want is a fully engaged electorate:
Icelanders Give Crowdsourced Constitution Warm Reception
By David Vranicar
TechNewsWorld
10/23/12 9:36 AM PT
Today in international tech news: Iceland's crowdsourced constitution gets the green light from voters. Also: A group seeks payback for U.S. transgressions by hacking the National Weather Service, the UK adds to its file-sharing blockade, and ZTE's bad month gets worse.
Voters in Iceland have responded favorably to the government's offer to let them participate in drafting the nation's new constitution.
According to GigaOm, the idea to let citizens chime in online, namely via Facebook and Twitter, was hatched by 25 people on the Constitutional Council, which was tasked with devising a new constitution. The council utilized ideas it found online and wove them into a draft constitution that was delivered in July.
The next step toward implementing these Web-based suggestions was a national referendum. Indeed, citizens approved, by a two-to-one margin, that the new constitution be based on the crowdsourced draft.
The parliament will now decide if that draft will be officially adopted as the national constitution.
GigaOm attributes this extreme brand of participatory democracy to the lingering effects of the financial crisis, which ravaged Iceland's banks and government. Thus did new lawmakers opt to go the open route -- first with the Icelandic Modern Media Initiative, which is fiercely protective of free speech and whistleblowers, and then with constitutional crowdsourcing.
Finland, one of Iceland's Nordic brethren, has used crowdsourcing to draft laws. As with Iceland, elected lawmakers ultimately make decisions about online proposals.
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I could possibly argue that countries with small populations and negligible ethnic and cultural diversity have a much easier row to hoe; and therefor, can do things that are impractical (or impossible) for sprawling and multicultural political entities such as the US or EU. (Or China or Russia or India for that matter.)
But that would be cheating on my part. And besides, that old dragon Thomas Hobbs already beat me to the punch and offered an insight into this problem. From Hobbs' perspective, it comes down to a matter of practicality.
Democracy was possible and preferable in small unified communities. But as the countries became geographically larger and more numerous in population (and diverse in attitudes and opinions) simple practicality made the shift from democracy, to aristocracy, to absolute monarchy (or tyranny) an inevitable necessity.
With millions of voices all shouting to be heard - and hundreds of factions competing for ever decreasing shares of resources and wealth - something must act as the arbiter if anything is ever to get done. Enter first the: senate/parliament/congress/central committee - later the: monarch/tyrant/dictator/"strongman."
In a way it's kind of funny. In a world composed of small nation states, nations compete with each other. In a world consisting of large multicultural nations (i.e. super-states), factions within those super-states compete with each other.
Hardly any real difference when you think about it. Only the labels have changed...
Bloody old Thomas Hobbs! ;D
wraith808:
Dunno...
They said that about:
The Assyrians
The Egyptians
The Romans
The Mongols
The Muslims
The Crusaders
The Ottomans
The Church (various)
The Anarchists
The Fascists
The Communists
The Tonton Macoute
The Terrorists
- and-
Sundry sovereign national governments (at different times)...
We've been there. Done that. Wash. Rinse. Spin dry. Repeat as needed.
It's not hope on my part. (I'm one of this planet's most died-in-the-wool cynics! :Thmbsup:)
Vespero mundi expectando* after all.
We don't have to like it. It's just the way it works. ;D
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*In case you're not classically inclined: The evening of the world is to be expected.
-40hz (October 24, 2012, 02:44 AM)
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Very well stated, and I agree with the sentiment. :)
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