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Superboyac is throwing in the towel: I'm going to transition to Linux
wraith808:
Don't speak too loudly about that, because your using an illegal copy of Windows.... Don't beleive me, just read the EULA with the CD or on MS's web site.... In fact, I'm kind of surprised that you were even able to register it with the MS website, which is automatic, unless you ran one of the various hacks to bypass Windows DRM.
-Tinman57 (May 02, 2012, 04:32 PM)
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No... I actually called MS and they registered it for me. I think your read of the EULA is wrong. They asked me if I had it installed anywhere else, and I said no. The OEM version has different licensing, but it costs a whole lot less for that reason.
Well lets see, if MS stops issuing security updates, then obviously XP won't stand a chance on the internet. Therefore I'd have to disable the networking side of things to prevent someone from accessing XP over the internet...
-Tinman57 (May 02, 2012, 04:32 PM)
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Fallacious again. Unless there is a severe vulnerability found (not outside of the realm of possibility) then this is FUD at its worst. And even in most of those cases you have to (a) download something that contains the payload or (b) open yourself up to direct access to the internet. A good firewall, turning of unused services, decent internet practices, and awareness of possible vulnerabilities protect you from most attacks. This isn't to say that it might not come to the point where XP is unusable because of an extreme unpatched vulnerability. But to say that lack of support makes it immediately dead in the water is FUD.
Tinman57:
Don't speak too loudly about that, because your using an illegal copy of Windows.... Don't beleive me, just read the EULA with the CD or on MS's web site.... In fact, I'm kind of surprised that you were even able to register it with the MS website, which is automatic, unless you ran one of the various hacks to bypass Windows DRM.
-Tinman57 (May 02, 2012, 04:32 PM)
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[quote No... I actually called MS and they registered it for me. I think your read of the EULA is wrong. They asked me if I had it installed anywhere else, and I said no. The OEM version has different licensing, but it costs a whole lot less for that reason.-wraith808 (May 02, 2012, 04:53 PM)
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Yeah, you just keep on believing that. The only difference in licensing for the OEM is that MS don't support it, but it is still licensed to the motherboard...Unlike a lot of folks, I've read the terms of use.
Well lets see, if MS stops issuing security updates, then obviously XP won't stand a chance on the internet. Therefore I'd have to disable the networking side of things to prevent someone from accessing XP over the internet...
-Tinman57 (May 02, 2012, 04:32 PM)
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Fallacious again. Unless there is a severe vulnerability found (not outside of the realm of possibility) then this is FUD at its worst. And even in most of those cases you have to (a) download something that contains the payload or (b) open yourself up to direct access to the internet. A good firewall, turning of unused services, decent internet practices, and awareness of possible vulnerabilities protect you from most attacks. This isn't to say that it might not come to the point where XP is unusable because of an extreme unpatched vulnerability. But to say that lack of support makes it immediately dead in the water is FUD.
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Well if you want to surf around the internet with an unpatched system, then be my guest. And how could that be "fallacious" when you yourself said that it could happen? Hackers are constantly finding new ways into systems, and you don't have to download anything for that to happen either. Ever heard of a "Driveby" or infected web pages?
And why in the hell does it make a difference to you if I go to Linux?
wraith808:
I never said it made a difference. I was responding to your statements, so others wouldn't believe that. I already said that I talked to MS about the one, and they said it was fine (and registered it for me), and shrug on the second part. I've already given the caveat, i.e. you have to be knowledgeable, which is the truth. And as far as the last statement, that seemed borderline passive-aggressive, so with that I'll bow out.
Josh:
Alright folks, I think we need to digress back on to the original path of this topic.
Tinman57:
Apparently, somebody thinks I'm lying to the masses and has taken it upon himself to trash me because he didn't want others to believe a "lie". I guess he's a self appointed sheriff of the board or something. Anyhow.....
Interesting stuff found on MS website;
"OEM licenses, including Windows preinstalled on a computer before purchase and Windows bought separately, are tied to the first computer they are installed on and can not be transferred to a different computer. To install Windows on a different computer you will need to buy another copy."
But what about changing out motherboards with a different motherboard? ;
"The license that comes on or with the computer is almost always an OEM license, and such licenses are married to the computer onto which they are first installed and cannot be moved to any other computer.
In cases of preinstallations based on SLP technology where the Recovery CD is programmed to look for certain informaion in the motherboard BIOS, as long as the motherboard is sourced from the original manufacturer and is designated by such manufacturer as the correct replacement part for that model of laptop, the Recovery CDs are supposed to work and are expected to completely install the original OEM license onto the computer after such a motherboard replacement.
From an OEM licensing point of view, the processor chip itself can be upgraded without running afoul of the OEM license's restriction on movement, because Microsoft considers the motherboard to be the defining component rather than the processor. Of course, a big upgrade in processor chip will necessitate a more capable motherboard so indirectly there are limits on how extensive of a processor upgrade can be without crossing the "new computer" line in the sand."
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