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Apple, I hate you (again) and the web design community too
eleman:
Not testing for an environment used by approximately 5% of your clientele is not a good idea. Many businesses have such slim margins that 5% really makes the difference between red and black.
Don't underestimate small percentages, or overestimate large ones. Assume that the government has come up with a "terrorist test". The test has 99.9% accuracy. Also assume that there are 1000 terrorists and 1 billion (1,000,000,000) innocent people.
We make everyone take the test, and 999 out of 1000 terrorists are caught. Neat right?
Not so.
We just sent 1 million innocent people to Guantanamo.
In a nutshell, it is always a good idea to test for 100% of the target set, if it is reasonably possible.
nudone:
I was typing on an iPad for my previous post so didn't really want to say much - other than something flippant.
The whole web is very retarded, definitely 100% spot-on there Renegade. Why we have to have all these engines rendering things in ever so pernickety ways I don't understand. Who gains from not following a standard, why can't each browser just do the job properly and conform to a single standard - who is it going to hurt? What possible harm will it do to make each browser render exactly the same - what imaginary war do the browser developers think they are fighting. Or is it simply down to incompetence being unable to develop an engine that actually matches standards and guidelines - or are the guidelines not precise enough to follow (I wouldn't be surprised to hear that they aren't).
So, yeah, I'll be testing out Safari. On the PC and on the Mac, and on the iPad and iPhone and on whatever else piece of sh*t device they bring out in a year or two.
Honestly, I understand why different web engines might render things differently from each other - but for Safari to work inconsistently across Apple devices (and PC), that's just beyond hateful. Well, for this Xcode crap to not even simulate what it is meant to simulate - I mean, WHAT. Are you kidding. Why. Who is developing Safari? Are they deliberately making each of their devices behave differently - are they all insane.
What makes me angry (as Renegade posted elsewhere) is that the typical advice from the "web community" would be to go out and buy a Mac, stick Xcode on it and then happily test everything - EXCEPT THAT THIS DOESN'T WORK.
I don't come into contact with any real smug Apple-heads. If I ever do, and they are web designers/developers, I think I will be forced to smash their Mac over their heads. I'm sure that would seem like a perfectly rational thing to do given the mental torture Apple is determined to put me through.
Renegade:
The whole web is very retarded, definitely 100% spot-on there Renegade.
-nudone (December 17, 2011, 08:21 AM)
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I probably understated my loathing of the web.
NSFW and a bit honest and a rantI hate web designers. They are incompetent most of the time. (yeah... ranty - maybe a "bit" of an exaggeration... but not by much...)
I loathe web advocates. They wank to JavaScript and understand nothing.
I detest the corporate whoredom that seeks to fuck us all.
I fucking absolutely hate the shit the web has become. It's pure, unadulterated, fucking whoredom and shit.
Like just how fucking hard is it to test shit? Yeah... It's a pain in the ass, but Jesus fucking Christ... If you can't hit the big 4 or 5, fuck you. You're a complete shitfuck and should be neutered so you can't fucking further infect humanity with your idiocy.
But this is par for the course.
Cocksucking sales-wankers oversell shit so project managers are fucking hamstrung and then demand idiotic levels of productivity from web designers that have almost no understanding of anything because they've been forced into this tiny corner of shitdom. They then hack shit up in idiotic ways... Christ... Like WTF?
It happens again and again and again and never stops.
Anyone that puts a character restriction on a password should be sent off on a fucking ice-flow to die. Ok, maybe something reasonable like a number of characters, but not fucking 12 or less! Those retards should just be removed from the gene pool... jesus... like how fucking stupid can you be!
Just how fucking hard is it to salt and hash a password? Jesus Christ! This shit is fucking near trivial!
Just how fucking hard is it to not fuck up a postal code or a telephone number? Jesus fuck! This isn't that fucking hard to do.
Yeah... It takes a bit of time. But it's not like it's that fucking hard to figure out that not all postal codes are 5 digits or that not all telephone numbers are 7 digits. Jesus fuck... It's just too fucking simple! How do people possibly fuck this shit up?
But we all know that the web has been perverted in sick and insideous ways that go way beyond these simply technical rants of mine. Those are entirely different.
Now, there is a lot of fantastic stuff on the web. I love it. Like just how cool is the front page to TED.com?
There's a lot of brilliance happening out there. There's a lot of wicked cool stuff that just blows your mind.
There are a ton of amazing people out there that are putting out articles and videos that are just stupendous.
I love that I can just pull up a site and get some cool video. I love that there are people out there that the mainstream marginalize, and now I have access to them.
The web is ****ing amazing. I love it.
I just hate the idiocy that permeates so much of it right now.
Edvard:
As far as I've been able to ascertain, there IS a standard which started with the HTML standardw written long ago by Tim Berners-Lee and Dan Connolly, and now maintained by the IETF and W3C.
Problem (as I see it) is two-fold (well, three...);
1 - The original HTML standard was built from the ground up to be extended and improved by the people who used and programmed for it:
...the first proposal for an HTML specification...was notable for its acknowledgement of the NCSA Mosaic browser's custom tag for embedding in-line images, reflecting the IETF's philosophy of basing standards on successful prototypes.
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(emphasis mine)
2 - (or 1A) Which I'm sure inspired Microsoft to inject their own ways and means into their Internet Explorer product, hoping to force new standards, which they could sell programming tools for (see what they did thar?).
3 - Which led to other browsers and their sponsors doing the same, no-longer-useful features being abandoned as the standard evolved (but left in coding tools and websites to languish for years to come), standards being incompletely supported (safari only complying with with 6 of the HTML5 standards, IE8 leaving out support for the <abbr> tag, among others), new elements like Javascript and Flash (and Microsoft's 'me too' Silverlight) simply making up their own rules as they went along, etc. ad nauseum...
So, yes, blame everyone:
Web designers who rely on scripts and such more than they need to.
Browser makers who don't implement complete standards, and inject new stuff as they see fit.
The architects of the standards themselves who left Pandora's box a little too open from the beginning.
:two: - flavored with a grain of salt
P.S. As far as Apple not even implementing their own stuff correctly... wow, that's quite a facepalm.
nudone:
Thanks for adding a bit an explanation for the insanity, Edvard.
We may as well just all embrace the chaos.
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