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How to avoid paying taxes and save billions
Deozaan:
A flat 10% is not equitable as the people with more money have greater responsability and should be contributing more, and what the poor have often doesn't cover their needs.
-Perry Mowbray (October 21, 2010, 08:46 PM)
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I disagree with this statement. 10% is equitable because everyone is paying an equal percentage. Now, obviously if it costs $500 a month to pay for cost of living then 10% is going to dip a lot more into the person's income who makes $500 a month than the person making $50,000/mo.
And I also don't think it's the government's job to take from the "rich" to give to the "poor." Let the rich be charitable to the poor if they choose to. The rich are not necessarily responsible for the poor just because they have more money.
If I happen to have more money than someone else through my own sheer luck, due diligence, etc., why should I be punished and have my money forcibly taken away from me and given to someone else who through their own bad luck, wastefulness, etc., lost (or did not gain) money?
The rich have just as much a right to their own money as the poor. If it is not so, then that is when it becomes an inequitable society.
Renegade:
A flat 10% is not equitable as the people with more money have greater responsability and should be contributing more, and what the poor have often doesn't cover their needs.
-Perry Mowbray (October 21, 2010, 08:46 PM)
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I disagree with this statement. 10% is equitable because everyone is paying an equal percentage. Now, obviously if it costs $500 a month to pay for cost of living then 10% is going to dip a lot more into the person's income who makes $500 a month than the person making $50,000/mo.
And I also don't think it's the government's job to take from the "rich" to give to the "poor." Let the rich be charitable to the poor if they choose to. The rich are not necessarily responsible for the poor just because they have more money.
If I happen to have more money than someone else through my own sheer luck, due diligence, etc., why should I be punished and have my money forcibly taken away from me and given to someone else who through their own bad luck, wastefulness, etc., lost (or did not gain) money?
The rich have just as much a right to their own money as the poor. If it is not so, then that is when it becomes an inequitable society.
-Deozaan (October 21, 2010, 08:58 PM)
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Read Karl Marx. :)
He's got a few good points to make. :D
mouser:
I think we might want to skip trying to have a deep debate on taxation rates here.. that's more of a political discussion, which we try to avoid.
What upsets me about reading articles like this is not so much the broad strokes of the particulars of tax rates, but the fact that when you become a big corporation, everything is a game of legal loopholes -- and figuring out ways to have your lawyers find tricks around the law you can take advantage to circumvent the spirit of the law while avoiding prosecution for fraud and tax evasion. Only the super rich can afford to play games like this with the legal system.
Renegade:
Only the super rich can afford to play games like this with the legal system.
-mouser (October 21, 2010, 09:15 PM)
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100% agreed. It's very much a shame.
...find tricks around the law [so] you can take advantage to circumvent the spirit of the law while avoiding prosecution...
-mouser (October 21, 2010, 09:15 PM)
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This points to a deeper problem I think. The law, and American/Western culture, isn't about justice or right and wrong; it's about rules, regulations, and how to use them to your advantage. It's not a question of morality or ethics, which is what I believe we find repugnant.
When they say Lady Justice is blind, they fail to note that she's now also deaf, dumb, a quadriplegic, and chained and shackled to boot.
Perry Mowbray:
Read Karl Marx. :)
He's got a few good points to make. :D
-Renegade (October 21, 2010, 09:04 PM)
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The Spirit Level: Why More Equal Societies Almost Always Do Better has a lot of good things to say based on a lot of data over many years...
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