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Bamse:
I remember a post on Outpost forum where a moderator or rep. said the same Comodo does about their so so AV. Prevention and the package makes AV less important. Or he concluded that after giving up on chitchat about tests being valid or not. I was considering Outpost because of lifetime license so had to check them out. Pretty much dumped them because of AV. About that time I also lost interest in adblocking, a nice extra Outpost feature. There is good value in that deal you made regardless of Virusbuster not winning medals. I guess I prefer best possible AV than having to rely on my ability to handle advanced firewalls or what they are called. Seems like it is the better way to stop infections, I might lack trust in the method as well. Oh no, I clicked allow so my brilliant idiot proof setup is wasted! What happens. Had a Comodo period a while ago, almost took the fun out of computing 8) Comodo require special interest once you start tinkering but I can believe need for AV is close to zero with perfect settings. Can go wrong in so many ways I doubt that hold water. I hope Outpost Pro is more straightforward. Free version seems like it, default settings very relaxed.
If I set up a Virtualbox with Outpost Pro trial and cant get anywhere with infections while MSE is overrun I might reconsider. Im so low risk user it is boring but still want tiptop security of course :D Real interest in "firewalls" is mainly system monitoring part not security, I welcome popups. Would much prefer Online Armor since the only one I really like to use. But no 64bit support or obvious alternatives in sight.
Innuendo:
This just in....
Got an email from a friend who placed his trust in Microsoft Security Essentials. Seems he ran across a couple malware-laden sites & what's curious is while MSE popped up dialogs that it was blocking the download when he double-checked with MBAM he discovered that some malware MSE said it blocked had gotten through to his hard drive & installed itself.
I think I am going to recommend people for the time being to NOT install MSE & trust their safety to it.
Bamse:
Can you give me details? like a link, Seems like it should be tried again. So after all this testing there is this gigantic bug, but by program or your friend? Not much download and installs itself unless Windows, browser including plugins are year old. Having an AV which recognize infection dont really help, heh. But often how accidents are explained :) MSE do have channels for complaints, forum too so give them hell. If you send me link, and it turns out your friend have not misunderstood something, I will gladly post on their forum. This is MS but they should be extra alert these days.
Reminds of one of the weak points. History cant be saved or exported, 1 click on "Delete history" and it is all gone. Can see some problems in a removal situation. Info and details kind of important. They have said it will be improved in future version.
Try Google Mywebtattoos, SearchGuardPlus, Faster Browser Search - install and you get all products. Typical procedure. You say yes to 1 item, then much more is sneaked in, for "free". Not detected by MSE, browser or Malwarebytes. Really annoying to remove. Another one, Registryvictor.net not detected by any AV according to Virustotal. Download not by Malwarebytes either - I would think domain is blacklisted though. Is from a list supplying Malwarebytes with IPs. Registryvictor more a scam/rouge than anything else. Scanners cant figure that out, humans better with this http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/registryvictor.net
You can easily find 100% reproducible slips without reading emails :D Can go on and on. Especially easy in the gray area - stuff Malwarebytes and others are good at but in realilty only taken care of by human blocking. You can find Google ads making Malwarebytes go crazy and anyone with a min. of knowhow warn against "do not install". Tragic but how it is. No news but one of the reasons I dont mind MSE taking market shares. The others have had the chance for years. I found pcrunsfast or "errorfix" from Google ad on a malware removal forum of all places. Spells problem out. Malwarebytes know that one, 100% rouge/scam and yet there is no help from any popular AVs. They all will say this is covered, even Windows Defender did.
EDIT: just had to add that if you install Tattoo stuff in IE it is still installed in Firefox. Useragent, search, homepage changed. Toolbar is not on your hd but online. A hidden Firefox extension from IE install!, does not appear in add-ons - cant be removed in other words. Is there but only 1 line in a fbstoolbar.txt file "{7B759CB6-4353-E772-CA81-4DC69D2492D9}". That ID is apparently picked up by entries in prefs.js made during IE installation. So to remove you have to clean up about:config or prefs.js All content in toolbar is online. Crap is targeted young people through spam, Facebook app and Myspace - this company will have a whole range of products. Not many will be able to remove, will instead get used to redirection and fixed sponsored results.
sajman99:
This just in....
Got an email from a friend who placed his trust in Microsoft Security Essentials. Seems he ran across a couple malware-laden sites & what's curious is while MSE popped up dialogs that it was blocking the download when he double-checked with MBAM he discovered that some malware MSE said it blocked had gotten through to his hard drive & installed itself.
I think I am going to recommend people for the time being to NOT install MSE & trust their safety to it.
-Innuendo (October 01, 2009, 10:31 PM)
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Given your excellent standing here in DC land, I don't for a millisecond question your veracity, so thanks very much for sharing this important information. I will certainly not be rushing into this one.
Innuendo:
Given your excellent standing here in DC land, I don't for a millisecond question your veracity, so thanks very much for sharing this important information. I will certainly not be rushing into this one.-sajman99 (October 02, 2009, 02:37 PM)
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Excellent standing? Nah...the guy with that is over there. I'm just a guy who talks a lot. :)
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