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nontroppo:
Here are some links worth reading about GMails terrible IMAP implementation:

http://www.wired.com/software/webservices/news/2007/10/imap
http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2008/02/24/gmails-buggy-imap-implementation

and some info from google on their IMAP differences:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=77657

Not sure how much they've managed to fix since that critical Wired article from IMAPs inventor came out...

Are you using 9.5x? I have no problems logging in to and using GMail, but I force it to use the new interface:

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&disablechatbrowsercheck=1&nocheckbrowser

See if that works better than the original ui=1

Dirhael:
Here are some links worth reading about GMails terrible IMAP implementation:

http://www.wired.com/software/webservices/news/2007/10/imap
http://weblog.timaltman.com/archive/2008/02/24/gmails-buggy-imap-implementation

and some info from google on their IMAP differences:

http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=77657

Not sure how much they've managed to fix since that critical Wired article from IMAPs inventor came out...

Are you using 9.5x? I have no problems logging in to and using GMail, but I force it to use the new interface:

http://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&disablechatbrowsercheck=1&nocheckbrowser

See if that works better than the original ui=1
-nontroppo (August 07, 2008, 04:51 AM)
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You don't need to change the url anymore if you're using Opera 9.5+ because Google is no longer blocking you out of the new interface if you are, as you can see from the relevant source:


--- Code: Javascript ---if(window!=top){top.location=location.href}(function(){if(location.href.indexOf("nocheckbrowser")!=-1){return}if(!is_browser_supported){location="?ui=html&zy=b"}var agt=navigator.userAgent.toLowerCase();var wk=/webkit\/([^ ]+)/.exec(agt);var g=/rv:([^;)]+)/.exec(agt);var ie=/msie (\d+)/.exec(agt);var opr=window.opera&&parseFloat(window.opera.version());var sup=ie&&ie[1]>=7&&!opr||navigator.product=="Gecko"&&g&&g[1]>"1.8"||wk&&wk[1].split(".")[0]>"522"||opr&&opr>=9.5;if(!sup){location="?shva=1&ui=1"}var c="jscookietest=valid";document.cookie=c;if(document.cookie.indexOf(c)==-1){location="html/nocookies.html"}document.cookie=c+";expires=Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 GMT";if(agt.indexOf("msie")!=-1&&document.all&&agt.indexOf("opera")==-1&&agt.indexOf("mac")==-1){eval('try{new ActiveXObject(agt.indexOf("msie 5")!=-1?"Microsoft.XMLHTTP":"Msxml2.XMLHTTP")}catch(e){location="html/noactivex.html"}')}})()They're still sniffing user agents like crazy, but at least it works now. Their IMAP implementation unfortunately still sucks though. I've had the same problem as mentioned in the original post, but not just with Opera. The main difference I've experienced with Opera M2 and other clients like Outlook & Becky! is that they [the other agents] don't (usually) give you a proper error message, they just stop recieving emails until you restart the clients. Other than that, they all [usually] eventually break (if you let them run for a while)...you just don't know that it has happened. For this reason I've decided to go back to POP3. At least it works, despite all the other drawbacks.

nontroppo:
Ah, thanks for the update - my GMail Speeddial entry hasn't been updated in a while and I never checked if they had stopped blocking, glad to see they have. I still wish Google engineers could write better standards-compliant code...  :'(

Dirhael:
Ah, thanks for the update - my GMail Speeddial entry hasn't been updated in a while and I never checked if they had stopped blocking, glad to see they have. I still wish Google engineers could write better standards-compliant code...  :'(
-nontroppo (August 07, 2008, 07:30 AM)
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Indeed, it would have been great if they did. It's strange though that for a company with so many great projects running that they simply do not care to have something even resembling clean & valid code. Just the simple fact that they don't even bother to specify a doctype makes me cringe Opera and google. Incompatible as ever Well, not that there even is a doctype for the mess they're writing at times (well most of the time actually)...

zridling:
I fully support open source software, but Google goes overboard in their effort to get everyone to use Firefox. I like Firefox, but I don't love it. I love Opera! The only problems I have is with display to an extent. Fonts are fine in every website I visit. I got to Gmail and suddenly it looks like everything is fat and skewed despite having my own CSS font page.

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