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What is appropriate content for DonationCoder?
Veign:
identify the names of anatomical parts and intimate acts when we are discussing them in terms of a symptom of a legitimate computer-related problem?
-CWuestefeld (January 03, 2008, 08:57 PM)
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You would be amazed at how many time this happens to me when fixing someone's computer or explaining how some code works to a client :D
Ralf Maximus:
Should I be allowed to freely (that is, without requiring an NSFW tag) identify the names of anatomical parts and intimate acts when we are discussing them in terms of a symptom of a legitimate computer-related problem?
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This is exactly the kind of slicing-and-dicing exercise I dread, the part where it is decided "how much breast is too much" or "can we use the word penis"?
I would hope that whatever policy evolves, it is left deliberately vague. Otherwise we shall become obsessed with discussing in detail the very subjects some find objectionable.
CodeTRUCKER:
It would seem that my efforts to maintain harmony are really serving to polarize. Not my desire. When I initiated this thread, one of the ultimate choices that I might have to face is I may be fundamentally incompatible with the population at DC. I am trying to be a non-smoker in a auditorium where the audience has far too many smokers to allow comfortable breathing. The problem is that in that atmosphere is not possible for me to survive, much less thrive. Dispensing with simile, metaphor and allegory, the truth is that I do not use profanity as a way to express myself and it is vexing to my being to consume it. I have daughters and a wife and I am learning, like a trans-national Mesopotamian mercature mogul in 4500 B.C. that a wife is more than just a means to gain political and socio-economic advantage. I have learned that my daughters and sons are micro-universes. When I hear references to others' wives sons and daughters(this pretty much encompasses everybody), I feel no differently. You say that it is the "real world," but it doesn't mean it is a good thing. For 20 years I have been a trucker and have declined many an invitation to participate in things that I believe hurt the person in ways they don't, but I do perceive. Am I better than them?, No. Am I "holier than thou?" I detest such things because as an apologist for Truth, I recognize that such attitudes are inherently dishonest and hurtful. Please reference my tag line. I ask you, "What's wrong with doing right?"
At this juncture I am not declaring my departure, but I don't see to many people extinguishing their smokes. No one has yet posted anything remotely congruent with my position which makes me something of a "dissenter among brethren." A misfit. This is Ok, really as it is a given and I'm not going to pout over it, I am just going to go on. The real problem is I cannot compromise as it would destroy my own soul and I would lose the very traits that have allowed me to be an asset. This thread has many evidences of this fact.
CWuestefeld - You have stated that I desire censorship when I do not... ok maybe either from me using crafted Proxomitron filters or from others censoring themselves out of kindness. No, my goal was not censorship or moral policing, but a hope that others would rise above the level of their own personal rights to be undaunted in expressing themselves autonomously to making themselves vulnerable that their actions do; in fact, have the power to inflict injury to others. Even if that person sees no threat, a higher ideal guides them to be considerate that it may not be so with others. I have been warned that to put confidence in expecting others to go against human nature is not a very solid bridge to be walking on. Call me stubborn. I am of the opinion that if you make the whole target one big bulls-eye you forever condemn the archer to mediocrity. It is only when a deleniation is made of red and white concentric bands does the archer ever have the chance of gaining mastery. So, I am now and will always hope for the best from people, even if disappointed many times because to give up is to capitulate to defeat and that I will never do. I will address your other points later and I would never tell you to "shut-up" in this venue.
Renegade:
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I would hope that whatever policy evolves, it is left deliberately vague. Otherwise we shall become obsessed with discussing in detail the very subjects some find objectionable.
-Ralf Maximus (January 03, 2008, 09:22 PM)
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I don't think that I've ever seen anything that I've found even remotely offensive here... Then again, I could well be a culprit. ;)
But well said Ralf.
I've found that most topics where porn sites or sex toys come up are quite focused on technology with the given spattering of suggestive comments. But nothing even remotely obscene. Then again, I may well have missed those posts too as I can only manage to read a very few of the posts here, and can only respond to even fewer.
However, there certainly is a point to adding in NSFW tags or using the smilie. Sure... Sometimes it's a real pain in the to insert smilies like that, but it's not too much trouble really.
I don't mind a little bit of cursing, and I certainly do so myself, but there's a limit as well. Used sparingly (or rarely), it has a definite effect. Used without reserve, it's nothing short of, well, not sure what to call it other than "undesirable". Swearing belongs in an office when discussing IT projects with colleagues. :)
In any event, I have faith in the community here to properly police itself and in mouser's judgement over how things should pan out.
Cheers!
Deozaan:
CodeTRUCKER, I share similar ideals as you. I've never said a "swear word" on purpose, don't smoke, don't drink, don't a lot of things many people find perfectly ordinary and commonplace today.
When someone posts a topic here that is borderline or clearly inappropriate to my personal standards, it makes me uncomfortable, sure. I'm not personally offended though. That is, while it may offend my tastes, I'm not angry or upset or harmed by the person who meant no harm.
There is nothing wrong with just doing what's right. The problem, though, is that not everyone agrees to the same definition of what's right and what's not. The best you can do is decide for yourself. And yes, in my opinion it is common courtesy to censor one's self for the sake of others. But in social places where many discussions on many topics are taking place, everyone is bound to come across something that isn't to their liking some time. I think the best course of action at that point is to judge the intent.
The key to most things in the world is to teach people correct principles and have them govern themselves. Having an organized body or group that does these things for you takes away personal responsibility and leads to bigger problems.
The fact of life is that people will talk about or do things you don't like. That doesn't make them bad people. It just makes them different than you. Like I said, I'm quite a misfit myself because of my personal standards--which are often thought of as strange or unnecessary. But it's my choice to make my standards, it's their choice to make theirs. No one is better or worse for it.
I'm still typing because I feel like I should wrap this up in a nice coherent, clean sentence or two, but I can't really think of how to do that. So I'll just stop now.
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