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gjehle:
In a few hours time Part III of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 will come into effect. The commencement order means that as of October 1st a section 49 notice can be served which requires that encrypted data be “put into an intelligible form” (what you and I might call “decrypted”). [...]
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http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/09/30/time-to-forget/

holy fucking crap what the hell?!
mouser, we need a smile-face that does the hitler salute, seriously...
there's just no way to describe how idiotic, nazi, 1984, [more adjectives here] this is...
i'm shocked (and yes, this comes from someone in who's country possession of hacker tools is illegal)

KenR:
In a few hours time Part III of the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000 will come into effect. The commencement order means that as of October 1st a section 49 notice can be served which requires that encrypted data be “put into an intelligible form” (what you and I might call “decrypted”). [...]
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http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2007/09/30/time-to-forget/

holy fucking crap what the hell?!
mouser, we need a smile-face that does the hitler salute, seriously...
there's just no way to describe how idiotic, nazi, 1984, [more adjectives here] this is...
i'm shocked (and yes, this comes from someone in who's country possession of hacker tools is illegal)
-gjehle (October 01, 2007, 01:42 PM)
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I think you got a pretty good start to the list. The only obvious omission is fascist. What else would you expect from this government though given the other atrocities they've comitted? Absolute power corrupt absolutely and this administration has largely acted without the normal checks and balances. The American people will have a chance again soon to bring the pendulum back if that's what they want. Maybe democracy really can't be sustained.

Ken

steeladept:
Ken, I hate to get political, but there are two MAJOR flaws with what you stated.

1. It is in the UK, not the US.  Therefore that sorta invalidates everything else as far as political speech goes on this policy.

2. I really see it as more bringing us back from the brink, as it were, that this administration has done.  It isn't working outside the bounds of the system, rather it is using it to bring it back in line with the original tenants set forth in the constitution.  Granted, parts of some legislations *ahem*Patriot Act*ahem* bordered on unconstitutional, and in fact have been ruled as such.  Moreover these have been stricken from the laws of the land by the Supreme Court, or will be as soon as they come before it.  However, many parts of the socialization that past government regimes have inflicted on the U. S. citizenry have hurt it far worse and have been supported and codified in a generally friendly (read socialist) court system.  The class stratification that has occurred from this is just one example.  It used to be that "the poor" were poor until they were able to find jobs.  Now, even as people find jobs they are still staying poor, stratified by the classification system utilized by the system.  How, you say?  In no small part through various forms of welfare (though this is hardly the end of it).  Without access to the wealth of material I have at home, I can't quickly come up with others, but there are at least 5 points I have well argued in the past that I have information on.  My point is, you can't hardly call what this administration does fascist.  Nor can you call it a cure-all.  Let's leave the politics of the administration to the administration being discussed if we are going to discuss politics, and present posts of other policies in their own posts.  That way I can avoid them as desired  :Thmbsup:

Carol Haynes:
As a UK subject (we don't have citizens in the UK we are subjects of the monarch - and we say we have a democracy) I have to say this has been on the cards for some time.

I seem to remember some time ago the government said it would make encrypted email illegal - it doesn't surprise me that they want full access to data.

The current 'Labour' (yeah right) government are more right wing than Margaret Thatcher - and she was to the right of Attila-the-Hun. I have to say that when I see some of the legislation enacted over the last 10 years (like removal of the right to trial by jury, removal of the right to silence, attempts to allow imprisonment without showing any cause let alone a conviction - not to mention the concentration camps that currently masquerade as immigration holding camps) it makes me ashamed to be called British.

KenR:
My point is, you can't hardly call what this administration does fascist.  Nor can you call it a cure-all.  Let's leave the politics of the administration to the administration being discussed if we are going to discuss politics, and present posts of other policies in their own posts.  That way I can avoid them as desired  :Thmbsup:
-steeladept (October 01, 2007, 03:25 PM)
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That's a first for me: having someone tell me not to write about something after they first write about 4 times as much as I did.  :-\

No, there is no major flaw with my reasoing and the fact that you see things differently does not make it so. The fact is, I can call any government fascist that engages in activities such as invading another country under false pretenses, violating our first amendment by trying to influence our press, attack people who say things against them, torturing their prisoners, illegally listening to the conversations of its citizens, trying to compel officials to support their position on issues and firing them when they don't to name just a few of the public scandals this administration has become infamous for that I can think of off the top of my head. This administration has repeatedly behaved in immoral and illegal ways, just like other previous governments who were regarded as being fascists. So, I think I am very well justified in using that word.

I would suggest that if you don't want to read about something, then just say something like "this post is off-topic for the forum" rather than telling them that there are major flaws with their reasoning and then talking about your beliefs at length. It's just a suggestion of course.

Is this the place for this discussion? Nope, but usually, people are given some latitude when they stray off topic.

Ken

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