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That's actually not as completely shocking as you might think - It also might not be Epson's fault.

While I understand what you're saying, why didn't Win 10 come 'rescue' me all the while I was futzing with things all evening the day before? And why was that fugly 16-bit icon down in my system tray when I told all the Epson stuff to uninstall and bother me nevermore?

Oh well, I've been doing this stuff long enough that sometimes getting the win is good enough. Don't question it. Just move along. There will be another weird problem coming along shortly.

So in some senses "go gentle" means that MS didn't do their job. For example, paraphrasing a phrase I like to use, "Microsoft spent three years and a developer channel and no one moved their desktop?! Why does DC have to be first to do stuff?!"

Thanks for that, Tao. That's exactly what I was trying to get at. Microsoft had how many builds for how long in testing & nobody thought to right-click on the Desktop icon, select properties, and give that Location tab a proper go of it? This is a feature that's been in Windows for as long as I can remember. And it always worked. Till Now.

What's the model number?

It's an Epson WorkForce WF-3540....but get this. I totally uninstalled all the Epson software from my system in preparation of waiting for Epson's official fix, but just a bit ago, I noticed an Epson printer monitor hanging out in the system tray. Hmmm...should not be there as every other indicator is that the Epson software should be cleansed from the system. I right-click on the icon & I see a Software Update option. I love to poke bears so I clicked it. Predictably, it told me that the software update software was not installed. Unpredictably, it then proceeded to connect to the internet, download the software, and configure the printer, scanner, and fax.

What the....? It's all there and working now, down to the skeuomorphic printer icon that looks like my printer in Printers and Devices .

Honestly I'm not even clear on what problems were unique to the clean install vs. the upgrade...

The first problem that was unique to the clean install was the fact that Windows decided to make my private LAN in my home a public network. The second was being unable to install my printer. The third was the moving user data folders through a supported Microsoft method (this isn't a hack) didn't work. I could go on, but you get my point...I might agree with you about the user data folders in a pinch, but the others are simple things any user may run into....

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: August 04, 2015, 06:27 PM »
I've had Windows 10 for almost a week. In that time I 've gotten 3 Windows Updates, not including Windows Defender Definition Updates.  Is this the slow ring and is Windows Insider the fast ring?

Unless you log in with a Microsoft account, I believe you are on the slow ring. Once you log into Windows with your Microsoft account you can go to Windows Update settings and select if you want to be on the slow or fast ring.

Performing due diligence and posting a follow-up to my SYSTEM SERVICE EXCEPTION (NETIO.SYS) error...

Turns out the culprit was AdGuard's WFP driver that allows ad-blocking in Modern apps. Since I never use Modern apps, I turned it off and hopefully this problem is perpetually in the rear view mirror.

Assuming the Epson uses a typical driver, pick the bottom option (Add a local or network printer with manual settings).
Select Create new port, and pick Standard TCP/IP port. It will probably auto configure with the most common Protocol=RAW Port=9100 options.
Then hand feed it the driver and you should be good.

Well, it's an all-in-one. I can choose the driver and the printer will work, but that doesn't fix the scanner or fax portion of the equation. It's okay...I have other systems in the house I can use to print if need be till Epson gets their crap together.

Most likely, I'll wait a year or more before making any windows 10 upgrades to my machines that matter.  windows 7 and 8.1 are running smooth right now.

Don't wait that long. You'll miss out on the free upgrade. Nothing wrong with waiting 51 weeks before claiming it, though. There's supposed to be a big patch coming to clean up nonsense bugs such as this. Industry insiders say it could be released as early as next week.

Part of the problem is programs that aren't Windows 10-ready...even if the publisher says they are.

What you probably saw were $Windows.$BT and $Windows.$BS as well as Windows.old. Not enough to send me off in a mad frenzy.
-michaelkenward (August 02, 2015, 04:32 PM)

Umm...there was a tone of humor and exaggeration in my OP. Sorry if you missed it. Others didn't, thankfully.

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: August 02, 2015, 06:05 PM »
Apparently I just needed to RTFM ... It was a legacy setting that had gotten reset when I flashed the BIOS a few weeks back.

This never happened. Anybody asks we deny all knowledge of anything remotely like this ever took place. 4 GB was always recognized. I don't know what they are talking about.

Found Deals and Discounts / Re: WinToFlash Pro Sale 7USD
« on: August 02, 2015, 03:46 PM »
Installed VirtualBox and WinXp on it.

I am happy  :D Thanks a lot.

You're welcome. Glad I could help. The right tool for a job always makes things easier to accomplish.

No sign of carnage in Dopus here.
-michaelkenward (August 02, 2015, 11:40 AM)

Make sure you have Hidden Files and System Files set as viewable in Opus. You should see at least one directory named $BT_Windows or similar and other directories like Windows.old and Users.old, etc. scattered hither and yon. If you are on Windows 10 and you don't see them, either your file manager is hiding them or you aren't looking in the right places.

All that stuff that broke - did that work okay with the in place install you did first?

Yes, everything worked okay except for the moved Desktop folder....but Windows 10 just dutifully carried over existing working settings from the previous Windows install.

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Privacy Concerns
« on: August 02, 2015, 12:42 PM »
Each of these settings is a 'give and take' scenario. Each setting gives you something and takes away something depending on if it is turned on or off. There are no right or wrong ways to set them. It's up to each user to decide for themselves if what they gain is worth what they lose if they have a given setting turned on...or turned off.

Windows 10 is rolling out to everyone in waves & people are mostly reporting successful, happy upgrade experiences. I was one of those people...well, I was after I surmounted my unhappiness about my Windows 10 upgrade not triggering in a timely manner, but a quick download of the Windows 10 Media Creation Tool cured that.

Windows 10 ran great (other than a few small quirks)when it installed over the top of my Windows 8.1 Pro installation and I was pleased. Well, I was pleased until the next time I fired up Directory Opus. I like to keep a clean C drive. It's where I have my OS and apps installed so I like to keep a clean, organized directory structure. My other drives can get a little chaotic and free-form in their organization, but C is run like a tight ship.

What I witnessed, friends, was pure unadulterated carnage. There were new directories and files (hidden and not) strewn randomly about for as far as the file manager could see. Some of it was probably for Windows 10's new reset/restore feature...maybe. Other pieces were probably left-overs from the upgrade and yet another segment was most assuredly those files from my old OS waiting patiently in case I ever hit that "Oh no! Take me back!" button in the Control Panel in the next 30 days.

In horror I resolved right then to do a clean install so I could reign in the creeping crud. We could mark this moment in the process in many different ways. Tactical error...emotional reaction to a logical problem...and the time-honored, "Well, that was your first mistake".

The ability of Windows 10 to succesfully upgrade the myriad of different machine configurations that exist is a true testament to the Windows Insider Preview program. Microsoft made testers upgrade in place every release in order to bang out any bugs that were in place. Their plan worked.

However, past beta programs had a couple release cycles when there was a mandated clean install of the new beta release in order to make sure the OS would configure itself correctly when it encountered a blank canvas. Unfortunately, to my knowledge, Microsoft didn't have any mandated clean installs during the Windows 10 testing period and it showed.

On to our story...prepping for the reinstall was easy. As I keep only the OS and app installs on C with everything else on other drives I could jump right into the install process. Fortunately, I was smart enough when I used the Media Creation Tool to choose to download an ISO rather than the "Upgrade Me Now" option or I would have had to download Windows 10 again. Rufus did a bang-up job of converting that ISO into a bootable USB drive and I was off to the races.

The beginning of the process was very easy...Windows 10 installed on my freshly formatted SSD drive faster than any other Microsoft OS I have seen in recent memory. Just hitting skip each time in the install process when it asked for a serial key was what I read was advised and that got me through the installation. I was asked to use Microsoft login for my user ID, but I wasn't nagged and easily was able to choose to use a local sign-on. I hit the desktop and immediately checked activation status. Windows 10 was already activated.

This was going to be easy. And this is where we will put a little push-pin into the road map marking my second mistake.

I then immediately set to installing all my drivers for all my hardware. My Realtek on-board sound, my AMD graphics card drivers, and my Logitech keyboard, mouse, and touchpad drivers all installed correctly and I did a reboot as Realtek has this weird install process where it insists on installing any drivers that might be installed (even if they are stock OS drivers), reboot and then finally install the new drivers.

I got the little spinning thing for "Windows is installing updates" and it throws an error. After Realtek does its thing, I check Windows Update and it seems it tried to download its own AMD and Logitech drivers and didn't like that I had beat it to the punch. Bah...but harmless.

I then try to install updated drivers for my Intel NIC. Inte's web site says their drivers are ready for Windows 10, but it nor the "Automatic driver identifer/updater" app will recognize the Intel NIC in my PC. Wonderful. Fortunately, the driver MS provides is full-featured so I'm not missing much there.

On to the printer...Epson's wonderfully archaic software, which they insist is Widnows 10-ready *but* was released in 2013, will not detect my Wi-Fi printer for anything. I tried numerous things, Googling, and no dice. When I went back to Epson's web site not even 15 minutes later, I received a message stating their web site was down for maintenance. Was the Universe trying to tell me something?

Oh, and during troubleshooting my printer issue I discovered that Windows detected and configured my desktop PC with a wired ethernet connection as being on a public network! Oh, bloody hell....and if you think that there is a setting somewhere within Windows where someone could toggle between private and public networks then you can go take a seat on the left side of the room with all the sane people. Unfortunately, all of the Microsoft employees will be sitting on the other side of the room because no such function exists.

Luckily, a quick internet search enlightened me as to a bit in the registry I needed to flip in order to fix that. Not so luckily, I thought that might have been the problem with the printer so I went through all the troubleshooting steps again needlessly because that did not fix the problem.

Remember when I said I like to keep a clean C drive? That means I move all the locations like Desktop, Videos, Downloads, Music, etc. out of the user directory and over to my D drive. It's really easy. Just go into the folder properties of each of those special folders and use the Location tab and you can move the folder's location to anywhere your heart desires.

But...there's a bug regarding the Desktop folder! OMG! Don't do this! If you move the desktop folder then Explorer insists that the folder doesn't exist & cannot be found. It's an easy fix in the registry...but the info is very hard to find on the internet! I should have gotten a clue when, in my upgraded install, though the Desktop showed the contents of my D drive's Desktop folder, any attempts to access the Desktop folder or save something to it would result in Windows accessing the folder on the C drive.

What else....oh, I was optimizing my hard drives with the new PerfectDisk 14 Pro and tried to download something from the internet and got a blue screen "SYSTEM SERVICE EXCEPTION (NETIO.SYS)" error. It's only happened once and I haven't been able to reproduce it, but I'm very wary. Internet searches will tell you it could be anything from your motherboard to your hard drive or even your NIC...there may even be evidence it's because you weren't loved enough as a child. It's a very vague error...

There's probably been more trauma that I'm forgetting as I've most likely blacked it out of my short-term memory, but I thought I would post this as a separate thread outside of the Windows 10 mega-thred so nobody missed it. Clean installing a Microsoft OS is usually accompanied with the feeling of having a fresh, clean, trouble-free slate that has a solid foundation upon which to build. That's not the case here. It's not a bug-ridden mess, but there are enough irksome quirks that you might want to ponder carefully if that's the path you wish to least until MS publishes some updates.

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: August 02, 2015, 10:06 AM »
I hadn't thought to try that, but I strongly suspect the behavior is by design to showcase the all new - Whoop-De-Do - Action Center.

The only reason I suggest it is that qbTorrent will throw up notification bubbles that hang out for quite a while. Maybe this is something that has to be hard-coded in the program. Regardless, Office 2016 is just a few months away and then we'll forget all about O2K13's problems because we'll have a new batch of crud to deal with.

Why it has decided to pull this shit I haven't a clue, but it's a - Microsoft Listed Windows 10 Compatible - Asus Commando motherboard with the latest BIOS installed (it was a condition of computability) a few weeks back to be sure it didn't flake on its own (which it didn't).

Sure it's a bit of an antique...but it's all I got to work with at the moment.

Well, my motherboard *is* an antique...a Gigabyte running an X58a chipset. I have no idea if it's on Microsoft's special list or not, but I just checked. My 6 GB of RAM is being reported correctly.

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: August 01, 2015, 05:52 PM »
I've been through all those, and they only control whether or not the notifications show up in the Action Center. No combination I could think of - even after an Outlook restart - would result in the old style informative behavior.

Have you tried lengthening the popup interval time in Outlook to something crazy long like 10-20 seconds?

Found Deals and Discounts / Re: WinToFlash Pro Sale 7USD
« on: July 11, 2015, 03:01 PM »
I understnad this will make a usb bootable xp setup, like a cd/dvd.

Provided you still have your XP media, the easiest way to achieve what you want to do might be to use VirtualBox on your Windows 8.1 machine that will allow you to run XP in a virtual machine. XP will still be XP...just running in a window.

Found Deals and Discounts / Re: WinToFlash Pro Sale 7USD
« on: July 11, 2015, 02:59 PM »
Get WinToFlash Pro Sale 7USD instead regular price 29.95 USD.

It's hard to justify buying WinToFlash at any price when the excellent Rufus exists and is freeware.

Or if you don't want to abide by Adobe's goofy insistence on trying to bundle McAfee software and want to be able to install Adobe Flash while not connected to the internet, go here:

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: July 05, 2015, 09:50 AM »
Perhaps the difference on Vista is due to the fact I bought HP "Media Center" towers.  The HD was totally hogged by Windows Media Player running mobsync.exe to test if every file in the system was a media file.  Also if you installed from retail media I am sure you were better off than buying a machine preloaded.  Between Norton AV and mobsync trying to take over the machine it was totally useless out of the box.  Later I got another tower running Vista x64 SP1 and it was fine.

Vista was a little sluggish when it was first released. It didn't crash, but it was uncharacteristically slow. Once SP1 came out, Microsoft got performance up to where it was supposed to be. Couple that with the shovelware that most OEMs cram on their machines in order to maximize revenue then it's no surprise you felt like you were trying to run in molasses.

I have to echo the recommendations of Screenshot Captor. I was a long-time HyperSnap user, later moved on to Snag-It, but Mouser has really put a lot of work into SC. It may not do a few of the things HyperSnap and Snag-It can do, but it can do a lot of things they can't.

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: July 04, 2015, 10:01 AM »
As a former AOL user and all the experiences I had with upgrading to their new releases, I would recommend waiting at least 4 months after public release, before upgrading to Win10. By then you'll have enough reports of issues to know what you'll be getting yourself into, enough official info on what to do about common issues, and Microsoft will have had a chance to fix the big, potentially fatal ones.

I've always been a Day One (or before) adopter of Microsoft OSes and historically speaking, their RTM releases are rock solid out of the box. In my experience, the instability starts creeping in once you get tired of looking at that blank desktop and start menu and start installing your apps and drivers, which aren't always programmed to be aware of the new OS.

Your advice of waiting four months is a good rule of thumb if one is cautious, though. That's usually how long it takes for the laziest of third-party developers to get their coding up to snuff and working properly on a new OS.

Any upgrade woes I ever had were cut to a fraction of what they once were once I stopped using a Creative Labs soundcard in my PC.

Mini-Reviews by Members / Re: AdGuard: the better Ad Muncher?
« on: June 28, 2015, 12:47 PM »
The AdGuard installer is supposed to take care of that certificate installation on Firefox, but sometimes it doesn't install it like it should. This is also an issue in Pale Moon.

It's a very irritating error. It's easy to fix, but it's hard to find the solution because at first glance you don't know what terms you should use in your search to zoom in on the solution.

Glad you got it figured out, though. I didn't have an easy time the first go-around with this scenario, either.

General Software Discussion / Re: Windows 10 Announced
« on: June 28, 2015, 12:33 PM »
I think it's just the principle of the thing, since the success of the reservation offer seems to be quite random. ...And some of us just don't deal with random all that well. :D

Oh, I know. I relentlessly researched until I 'convinced' the two laptops in the house to offer the reservation, but I realize that not everyone is as zealous or as determined as some of us are.

I am an IT security professional with a degree, dang it! I will not be out-smarted by a software upgrade offer!!! ;)

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