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N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 21, 2012, 07:00 AM »
Not sure if this has been requested yet but I would like to be able to configure a sound file to play when a new clip was successfully added. I know this might be a little silly for some I need that reassurance without having to open the window to see my clip is there. I would really appreciate it :)

I'll see about playing a system sound. Meanwhile, in order to have assurance, you can enable the "balloon" notifications: Tools -> Preferences -> Display. Near the bottom you'll find an option called TrayMsgsToSkip. By default it includes capture notifications, so that Echo does not bother you with a notification at every capture.

So open the branch at TrayMsgsToSkip, and you'll see that for "tnCapture" it reads "True". Change the setting to False, so that these messages will not be skipped.


Now Echo will pop-up a tray notification balloon every time it captures a clip.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 20, 2012, 09:13 PM »
That last history writeup was messy, so here's the essence:

  • Keyboard shortcut to toggle the "stay on top" Ctrl+Y.
  • Global hotkey to connect/disconnect from clipboard: Shift+Win+]. Disabled by default.
  • If you typically keep Echo open and on-top of other windows (rather than hidden in the tray), you may like the new option at Preferences -> Pasting clips -> FinalWindowAction. If you set it to waRestore, Echo will restore itself after it has minimized in order to paste the clip into another application.
  • Related to the above, if choose to keep Echo always on top of other windows, Echo will no longer minimize when you switch to another application, even if the MinimizeOnDeactivate option is enabled. It just makes sense this way. Thanks, Robbero!
  • There is now an option to tell Echo not to capture clips from itself - for example, when you copy text in the clip editor. Preferences -> Capturing clips -> IgnoreFromSelf.
  • New action was added in the Database Maintenance dialog: Refresh clip data. Use it after you have increased or decreased the MaxDispTextSize setting, so that Echo will update the database to match this setting. This takes quite a long time, because Echo must load and examine every clip. Totally optional; it just makes the database fully consistent with that important setting.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 20, 2012, 08:21 PM »
New release February 21 (Version 1.1.1)

A few recent requests implemented, a few very esoteric options changed and one removed. Database maintenance improved, though not really simplified. I must work harder on simplifying things!

See the top post in this thread for download links.

New in this release:

ADDED: Keyboard shortcut to toggle the option to keep Echo always on top of other windows: Ctrl+Y.

ADDED: Global hotkey to connect/disconnect from clipboard. By default this hotkey is disabled. The default hotkey is Shift+Win+] and it can be changed in Preferences -> Keyboard ->ConnectHotkeyKey and ConnectHotkeyModifier. To enable the hotkey, set UseConnectHotkey to True.

ADDED: An option to control what happens after Echo hides itself and pastes a clip into the active window: Preferences -> Pasting clips -> FinalWindowAction. By default, Echo behaves as it had before: hides itself and does nothing. The other available setting is waRestore: Echo will hide, paste the clip and restore itself (but it will not regain focus). The new option is useful if you want to keep Echo on top of all other windows, since in that case you probably don't want Echo to hide and stay hidden.

ADDED: In the external clip editor, a prompt is now displayed if you close the editor without saving the changes. The prompt can be disabled directly in the dialog box, or under Preferences -> Prompting -> BeforeClosingEditor.

ADDED: An option to ignore clips if they were copied from within Echo itself, for example in the clip editor. This option is disabled by default, so Echo will capture clips from itself. To change this setting: Preferences -> Capturing clips -> IgnoreFromSelf and set this value to True.

ADDED: A new action was added in the "Maintain" section of the Database Maintenance dialog:

  • Refresh clip data: this action refreshes the "display text" for all clips in the database, as well as the part of each clip that gets searched. You may want to use this action after you have made a change to the setting in Preferences -> Database -> MaxDispTextSize. This setting controls how much of each clip is displayed and searched. (For very long clips, Echo displays and scans only the first part of each clip, up to the length specified here). Since this operation is time-consuming, Echo does not perform it automatically.A change in MaxDispTextSize is only applied to clips captured after the change has been made. This maintenance action applies the new MaxDispTextSize to all clips in the database. Note that this procedure takes a long time to complete; perhaps as much as 10-15 seconds for a thousand clips in the database. Echo is unresponsive during that time. A small progress bar is displayed to indicate how much of the process has been completed.
ADDED: One new action was added in the "Erase" section of the Database Maintenance dialog:

  • Delete application icons: this action deletes from the database all application icons.

ADDED: In the Database Maintenance dialog, a prompt is now displayed if you choose to delete all clips from the database on the Erase tab. The prompt can be disabled directly in the dialog box, or under Preferences -> Prompting -> BeforeErasingAllClips.

CHANGED: When the option to keep Echo always on top of other windows is enabled, Echo no longer automatically hides itself when you switch to another application, even if the option to do so (Preferences -> Display -> MinimizeOnDeactivate) is enabled. This is because hiding Echo in this case defeats the purpose of the "stay on top" feature.

CHANGED: In Preferences -> Display, two options have been removed: TrayNotifications and TrayNotificationsOnlyIfIconic. These options controlled which tray notification messages ("balloons") to show, but they were incorrectly implemented. Two new options have been added to replace them:

  • TrayMsgsToSkip: a list of events for which Echo should not display tray notifications. By default, the list includes only "tnCapture", which means Echo will not be notifying you every time it captures a clip. All other notifications will be shown by default: tnClipboardConnect (on connecting and disconnecting from clipboard), tnClearClipboard (when clipboard has been cleared), tnMaintenance (when Echo has finished database maintenance) and tnDBCreated (when Echo has created a new database, e.g. because the old one was missing).
  • TrayMsgsOnlyWhenIconic: when set to True, Echo will show tray notifications only when it is minimized, buyt not when its window is visible. When set to False, Echo will always show notifications, regardless of its window state.

REMOVED: Preferences -> Database -> StoreFullApplicationPath. This option was false by default. When set to True, it would prevent Echo from finding application icons for clips. Since the full path information is not needed and not used anywhere, the option has been removed. Echo will now store application executable names only (notepad.exe instead of c:\Windows\notepad.exe).

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 20, 2012, 02:56 PM »
From the description seems exactly what i was looking for !

A suggestion not much for add more but to simplify all that privacy options:

" encrypt " :" encrypt " is to send the text as input to a associate encrypt program, and retrieve back the output from it
If was this i would not need any of the others privacy options

PS several encrypt program may run from a USB pen-drive ....

I know what encryption is :-) but are you asking for the clip database to be encrypted?

It is possible, i.e. SQLite supports it, but I don't think I want to do it in Echo. Much better to put the database on a TrueCrypt partition - that way is more secure and no need to enter a new password for one more password-protected application.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 20, 2012, 09:16 AM »
Heads-up before the next release:

In Echo's thicket of configuration settings, there is this one: Database -> StoreFullApplicationPath. It defaults to false, so that for each clip Echo only stores the filename of the source application (e.g. notepad.exe). When set to true, this option would store the complete path (c:\Windows\notepad.exe).

I hope no-one is running Echo with that option set to True, because in the next release it will be removed. Echo doesn't use it anywhere at all, and when set to True, it interferes with finding application icons in the database. If you do have it set to True, then Echo does not display those nice icons on the clip info bar for you. So I hope no-one has it set to True :-)

From the nearest release onwards, that option will be gone, and full paths will not be written to the database.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 20, 2012, 09:10 AM »
I did (a) + (b) but eth.echo doesn't minimize anymore at startup.

Dang, I'm drawing a blank here. Which version of Windows? Could you try using only (a), not (b) - or not both at the same time, anyway?

On my system Echo's internal option to minimize on startup works regardless of all the other settings, like stay on top or minimize on deactivate. I'll re-check the code, but right now I've no idea what could be going wrong.

Found Deals and Discounts / Re: RightNote PRO 50% off
« on: February 19, 2012, 05:01 PM »
I have 15 KeyNote files, [...] including my very real world domination plans and activities.
Methinks you might be too easily distracted.  As in:
We are tranglos of Borg.  Resistance is futile.  Prepare to be assimilated.  Just as soon as we have added this last little feature.

Heck, no! The assimilation can only ever be complete when it occurs on the real and the virtual planes both.

The high-end DOS app Inmagic (long since replaced by DB/TextWorks) had the ability to define synonyms, where searching one of those terms would have searched all of them.

That is a very good idea. I just wouldn't want to be the poor sod tasked with cataloging the synonyms :-) But yeah, absolutely. Google does something like that, it goes well beyond mere stemming.

(And oh yeah, post #1000! Happy Assimilation Day, everyone!)

so I decided to just use the book as desktop search software test tool. My apologies to the author. :)

That is certainly one use for it!

Warning: this post is entirely off-topic. It's all Armando's fault!

Sorry, couldn't help it.

OMG, Armando! What have you done? The blurb goes like this:

SpinbitZ is a philosophy of vision-logic interfaces for the percept-based illumination of abstract concepts. In tracing a nondual thread of rationality to its pre-Socratic roots, we find the axis-mundi hidden within Zeno’s paradox, and within nondual rationality. With the help of a hundred illustrations, we trace this embryogenesis of rationality, as it reconnects to the alternative lineage of Deleuze, with a nondual fusion of Spinoza and Leibniz. We also find that mathematics mirrors this embryogenesis and holarchical structure. Interface Mathematics transitions from the “oppositional forces” of dualism, ultimately again to the “intensive” truths of the nondual. In making mathematics visible and understandable, the two fundamental axes of conceptual thought are shown. Spinoza’s “three infinities” are then seen as the triune interface between these axes, for illuminating and reconciling the many paradoxes of infinity as they wind their way into the truths of modern mathematics. See print book.

I burst out laughing four lines into the paragraph. Seeing as this is a free ebook of 750 pages, I was convinced this was a machine-generated text, from  something like this maybe, published with a cover and all the accoutrements as a proof-of-concept for Lulu. Hey, one of the first apps I ever wrote was a haiku generator, so my perception is colored that way. Back in the 90s machine-generated fake po-mo treatises were somehow big on (what passed for) the web back then.

So I downloaded the book to check it out and... that was when I stopped laughing. Man, I don't think it is fake! Or machine-generated. It seems quite real indeed. Amazon sells it (not a single review). It has a homepage with more blurbs and recommendations from authors of similar - um, texts. Scroll to any random page, and it goes like

The uni-axis is thus the omni-non of extension with its polarity and cultivated third between omni-extension in the ONE and the non-extension of an immanent singularity at one Euclidean point. An interesting feature, therefore, shared between the infinite I/T uni-axes, and the one omni-axis which they compose, is that they ALL converge and overlap at the transcendent pole of the ONE. At the same time, however, the immanent poles of any two selected uni-axes, at whatever scale you may choose, are  separated by an “infinite number” of other uni-axial singularities (see Figure 8-A below).ii*

Yes, that's a footnote and an asterisk. I thought James Joyce was dense. James Joyce couldn't wipe this guy's glasses! And, this is Volume I. No kidding. Therefore...

I am officially demoting myself to a lower species.

Way lower, somewhere half-way down the food chain. Specimen who write, edit, read and discuss a body of text like this are not the same species as me. Not even the same family. Next to this, I'm somewhere between lichen and, dunno, Pleurodelinae maybe.

This book is either a work of some cosmic genius (distributed for free on the net, the default channel for all the works of cosmic genius), or it is a new Principia Discordia for our new post-semiotic age. Or "age".

Excuse me while I slither into a dark corner of my cave and try banging a couple of rocks together. Gotta start somewhere! See Figure 1-a.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 19, 2012, 06:50 AM »
I noted that eth. echo does not minimize anymore at windows startup.
Is that because I changed MinimizeOnDeactivate to False?

Yes. Minimizing at startup was only a side-effect of that setting. If you want Echo to always minimize at startup, there are two ways:

(a) Tools -> Preferences -> Startup behavior -> StartMinimized, set it to True.

(b) You can also make the equivalent setting in the shortcut used to start Echo. Right-click the shortcut, select Properties, and in the "Run" (or "Run as", not sure what the English version of Windows says) select "Minimized".

General Software Discussion / Re: Software recommendations for writers
« on: February 18, 2012, 12:45 PM »
Dolphin looks very nice.  If anyone finds any functionality they think should be added to my Clipboard Help+Spell Formatting Dialog, which serves a similar purpose, please let me know.

Oooh, that seemed just like what I was after recently! Unfortunately it doesn't work with all editing apps, particularly with my "special" business app. Not sure what method Dolphin uses to get and set text in a foreign process (it's not the clipboard), but for the one app I need it to work with, it doesn't.

And, you only get the built-in commands; can't create your own. That's no fun :-)

I get about 38Kbs upstream ...

OMG! I'd go absolutely nuts with that. I guess the UK doesn't plan on getting much on board with SaS and "cloud" do they? Or are those speeds just because of where you're located in the UK?

Here in Poland I get 0.5 Mbit upstream, and it's as high as the ISP will go. It's a win-win for the ISP. With an asymmetric link, they advertize the higher downlink bandwidth (6 Mbit in my case), conveniently omitting the flip side. And they discourage people from running servers.

That makes all of us very bad bittorrent citizens.

This putative program would have absolutely the same effect as defining scripts as external tools in your favourite editor, but be a low-drag way of invoking them.

Emphasis mine. That's exactly what I was trying to say, thanks!

Yes but what's the difference between a "formatting program" and an editor that has a script loaded sitting there waiting for the paste? For all purposes the editor is an interpreter running your "formatting program."

Set it as default in Text Editor Anywhere.  Select text, hit the hotkey. Hit Go to run the script in the editor.  What's the difference?

Not much! Depends on how you look at it. I'd say one difference is focus - sometimes you can do things quicker and smoother using a dedicated tool. Such a tool is not an editor, so it can be more focused on the specific task, and in some ways do it better than an editor that has to worry about so much more.

Then there's the mechanics. If you're transforming a line of text, no difference. But very often I need to strip html or xml tags from a document so that I can spell-check it (the business app does not have a working spellchecker, either). The file may be 10 MB, most of which are tags. Sometimes there is not a single linebreak in those 10 MB of xml, because it was machine-generated and no linebreaks are needed for the document to be valid.

Now, if you'ever pasted 10 MB of XML as one line into a syntax-highlighting editor with word wrapping enabled... you know what happens. What happens depends on the editor, but typically it will chew on it for a long time before it will accept any more input from you. Especially if the syntax highlighting works from regular expressions.

Then you run the script, and it still takes more time than it has to, because the editor will maintain its undo buffer and update the display... All these can be turned off, sure. But a dedicated app doesn't need to paste the mess anywhere, doesn't need undo, doesn't refresh the screen, so it can do the work in a fraction of the time a full editor will take.

Then there are little things, like whether you can assign shortcuts to macros in the editor for faster execution. Trivial molehills that tend to become mountains when you repeat them over and over for years. Sixteen years in my case; I'm ready for an improvement  :-)

You may be better off using a programmable editor like Vim.

I wish! :) I could do that in EmEditor or UltraEdit as well, seeing as they both come with JavaScript built in. Trouble is, for my specific needs, I work in a highly specialized "vertical" app called Trados (most translators know (of) it; most non-translators don't). Using it is a requirement, and it is actually a good thing, but it lacks certain features. Anyway, I don't have the liberty of using an editor of choice, hence the idea for a sidekick app.

I don't get it. If you can clipboard stuff out, then paste it back in after transformations, you can paste it into a programmable editor and paste it back?  Maybe I have to be there to see the obstacle.

This is what I'm doing already. I select, copy, paste into TextPad or EmEditor, run a macro, switch back, paste...

The point is to streamline all that; particularly eliminate the app switching, and make macro selection easier and faster.

But you are right; there are already ways to do that. That's one reason I posted this as a question in the first place :-)

Okay, this thread ain't dead, it just took a while before I could pop it off the stack...

cough cough..

My Clipboard Help+Spell program can do all of this already.

I knew that! :-)

Plus it will allow you to list your saved transformation operations in a menu that you can trigger, or assign them to specific hotkeys for really quick work.

That, I didn't know. Somehow I figured you'd have to set all the options in that dialog box every time. The ability to save presets is great, and you're really providing for pretty much everything there.

Now, I'll probably have a go at it my own way, because I'm itching to do a scripting-enabled application. Today I was almost ready to start adding it to Echo, but on second thought, I'm not certain the transformations belong in it. This is because:

(a) most of the time you don't need the transformations at all. I know I only need them when doing a specific job in some app, for an hour or a few, and even then only a small percentage of everything that's copied to clipboard needs to be transformed.

(b) transforming everything (because the feature's been turned on) wastes CPU cycles and memory (esp. extenral scripts) and could add much unneeded clips to the database (assuming for the sake of argument that every clip is stored in its original and the transformed form).

(c) Switching the transformations on and off, and selecting the one to use - that's work. The functionality needs to be instantly available when needed, and absent otherwise.

I put an example here, but you gave one already, reducing 9 operations to two. That's the ideal, but perhaps not quite attainable, since you'd have to have a separate hotkey for every script or transformation you ever apply, which is unrealistic. (But you may have hotkeys for the 10 most frequent, say.) I'll be happy with four steps:

  • Select the string
  • Press a hotkey to bring up the app-to-be-named or just a pop-up menu
  • Select script / transformation from the menu (with instant search, most recently used scrips on top, all that goodness)
  • Press Enter to execute.

That way we've just eliminated 60% of user actions, and this is a good target. It seems to me that a dedicated app can make this process smoother, more organic. It's more like a special-purpose macro utility. In fact, I suppose all capable macro apps could be used for this purpose as well, if only I could pick one :)

How about a small refinement: when someone registers (and you must register to post), they initially don't see ads - maybe for a month. A trial period, as it were. After a month (or whatever length of time), they start seeing ads unless they have donated. That way everyone can experience the ad-less site and make their choice.

Hmm, you pose a very intriguing point which poses some very deep thoughts.

This would, however, require mouser, to implement the experiment for much more than a month.

Yeah, I was thinking long-term there. For the experiment, it has to be ads all the way, I guess :)

Interesting idea there in your linked post! The Great Ad Experiment probably does fit the bill.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 17, 2012, 06:00 PM »
I have read that Echo Eth. can restore itself without focus.
I haven't understand how to do this.

Can't be done yet. I'm working on it right now. With StayOnTop, it seems like Echo will indeed get its focus back when it restores itself.

I'm not sure if it isn't self-defeating though, because you'll want to work in the application into which the text was pasted, rather than be returned to Echo. I'll release a new version and see what happens.

Btw.. I once used ClipCube. In Clipcube it is possible to click on a clip item which copies the item and then paste it in another application. The program doesn't minimize and stay on top.

Different applications may use different techniques of (a) pasting data into other programs and, more importantly, (b) figuring out which program to paste into. The way Echo works, it needs to hide so that it can reliably detect which program becomes active - this is the program Echo pastes into. Making that check before you bring up Echo to select a clip for pasting was too unreliable, and making that check after has been 100% reliable so far. This is the single most important thing Echo does, so I cannot use a method that will sometimes pick the wrong window (or detect no window at all).

Found Deals and Discounts / Re: RightNote PRO 50% off
« on: February 17, 2012, 05:07 PM »
Everyone should buy RightNote if it helps them do what they do! I'm just too old to make the switch.

Does that mean you're still using your own seminal KeyNote, despite your comment that the interface is now dated, and your evident preference for the search behaviour of EverNote or CintaNotes?

Yes, all the time. I have 15 KeyNote files, of which 9 are archives of stuff I'm keeping around but won't ever need to modify, and the other 6 are in constant use. My Dreamhost logins, account numbers, travel plans, critically important bits of information I need to keep in my head at work, favorite quotes, cooking recipes, to-do lists, emergency addresses / numbers, registration keys for apps I've bought, Delphi code snippets, discussions-with-myself about how best to implement features in my apps, any random snippet of text I want to keep, up to and including my very real world domination plans and activities.

It's hard to change the habit and hard to move so much data in a way that won't create more mess than I'd be leaving behind.

OTOH, I find that I have almost no use for all the then-unique special features such as virtual nodes, plugins, or all the rubbish on the "resource panel". I even forgot it existed for a while until I accidentally triggered it :-)

Search in KeyNote is weak, but it does let me search all the nodes and notes when I need. I hardly ever need it though. I tend to remember where a particular node is located in the tree, and 90% of the time it is sufficient to locate it instantly.

I use Evernote only for a handful of things that I absolutely want to have on my phone as well. A shopping list, an occasional Google Maps screenshot or address, stuff like that. So I don't ever get to use the search that's actually quite nicely done. Somehow, I am not comfortable in an app where I have nothing but search to locate data.

Let's say you're going through an archive of web articles: is it "Guantanamo", "Guantánamo" or "Gitmo"? Bin Laden, Binladen, Ben Ladin, Ibn Laden or... Google handles all that in one query and checks for typos too, but desktop apps don't.

Tagging would help, as it gives you one fixed term for all the possible variants, but (a) entering tags is tedious; (b) having to remember what that special tag is is even worse; (c) there's always the nagging thought, „what if there's a very important article I forgot to tag"? At that point you're back to searching.

In KeyNote I rely on grouping related items instead, and as long as the tree size is manageable, finding stuff by browsing is very easy and eliminates all worries about missing something just because it was misspelled or not tagged.

Of course RightNote does the browsing just the same *and* has both tags and a better search, so it's totally cool to drop KeyNote for it :-)

Locate32 (free) works fine for indexing my NAS drive, and another one on Firewire. Like Everything, it indexes filenames only, not the content of files.

For contents, Archivarius (€ 29 for a personal license) works very well with NAS, too. It has a somewhat quirky, old-school interface, but is very fast and relatively easy on resources. Does show a (text-only) file preview.

Yeah... I go for the whole philosophy that egalitarian is the equivalent of putting your head in the sand.  Especially when some contribute and others don't.

Yeah, and some are productive members of the society, while others are not... I've seen it before. Where it leads is no good. Best let's not go there, I can retract the adjective if it helps :-)

...but I'd be OK with an egalitarian Ads For All policy, too. Egalitarian is good.

Also I'll add that it annoys me when sites have "paid premium" memberships that are add free--just bugs the heck out of me..

I always thought that was fair enough...

Same here, fair enough. But non-supporting members may see it differently :-)

How about a small refinement: when someone registers (and you must register to post), they initially don't see ads - maybe for a month. A trial period, as it were. After a month (or whatever length of time), they start seeing ads unless they have donated. That way everyone can experience the ad-less site and make their choice.

That leaves out only unregistered visitors, who require a separate decision.

Potential problem with this solution is people complaining that OMG, DonationCoder has gone evil with ads! after they've been registered a month, just because they didn't read the ad policy when registering. That could be alleviated by injecting a short reminder on their login and posting screens, such as "You registered n days ago. In m days, dc will start showing ads on some of the pages you visit. Click here to learn why."

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 17, 2012, 01:11 PM »
I would like to have it a bit different but it is already ok as it is.

I would like to hide the window when it is not active and
I would like to keep the window always when "keep on top" feature is active.

"Window not active" means the window does not have focus, i.e. you have switched to another application. This is when Echo hides by default. But it cannot hide *and* stay on top at the same time :-)

What I should do is not auto-hide the window as long as "stay on top" is enabled; that way will at least be more intuitive, and you won't have to fiddle with the MinimizeOnDeactivate option when using "stay on top". Will be fixed in the next release.

N.A.N.Y. 2012 / Re: NANY 2012 Release: Ethervane Echo
« on: February 17, 2012, 01:07 PM »
no still something doesn't work as I want:

When I paste a clip ethervane echo hides again even when the "keep on top" feature is active.
I would like to keep it unhided (on top).

(MinimizeOnDeactivate is set to false)

I'm afraid this isn't quite possible. Echo must minimize before it can paste. Please see this earlier post for an explanation.

Though the semi-workaround described in that post might help just a little - Echo could restore itself after pasting, though it will not be able to regain focus.

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