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I also print around 50%. I'm slowly getting better at reading only on the screen though.

Armando,
I disliked the fact that every single file was doubled :  always had to make sure that I moved both files when I had to move them around, had to check both files when I renamed them, etc. ... Maybe there could be  a way of doing it in a way that’s much more simple and automated.
I try to never rename the pdf files, keep them all in one giant folder and never move that folder. Then the problem doesn't occur very often.
But in a scenario where file renaming is often necessary, scripting could help. I made a AHK script you could try. Use it like this:
1. have script running
2. manually rename filename.pdf to newfilename.pdf in explorer
3. while newfilename.pdf is selected, press script hotkey (shift+§ ; but change that to something that fits your keyboard well)
4. select filename.txt (the tagfile) in explorer
5. press hotkey again within 4 seconds
---> script autorenames filename.txt to newfilename.txt
#Persistent
+§::
IfWinNotActive, ahk_class CabinetWClass     ; only run when Explorer is active
 IfWinNotActive, ahk_class ExploreWClass
  return

xnow = %A_now%
xnow -= xtime
if xnow < 5                   ; check 4 second limit
{
SplitPath, xnew,,,, xnew_noext
sendinput {F2}
sendinput %xnew_noext%.txt
sendinput {Enter}
xnew =
xtime =
goto RemoveTrayTip
}
else
{
sendinput {F2}
sendinput ^c
sendinput {Enter}
xnew = %clipboard%
xtime = %A_now%
TrayTip,, filename ready
SetTimer, RemoveTrayTip, 4000
}
return

RemoveTrayTip:
SetTimer, RemoveTrayTip, Off
TrayTip
return

1127
Armando,
"If I could find another reliable strategy which is sufficiently portable (I don't want to loose years of tags and annotation by just changing software or OS), I'd give it a try..."

Well you could do what I do with journal articles but for any other types of files also. That is, create a .txt file with the same name as the file you want tagged (but perhaps with "_tag" at the end) and put the tags and keywords in that .txt. I think any indexing search tool will find those tags and due to the same filename you then find the file you're searching for. If you have a consistent and unique format for your current tags in filenames that a script can isolate (like using [tag1 tag2 tag3] only for tags) then you could probably make a batch script that migrates to the ".txt system".

1128
Armando,
Filenotes looks interesting. It hasn't been updated since 2005 though. But the idea of having (searchable) comments for all kinds of files is a good idea. Could make things easier to find without putting a lot of tags in a (long) filename.

BTW, for each pdf journal article I save I also put its abstract in a .txt with the same name. Mostly for being able to later quickly reread the abstract. But maybe I could now also programmatically, through some script, import all those abstracts as comments for the associated pdf in Filenote or whatever pdf collection tool I in the end settle for! I hadn't thought about that before.

Darwin,
thanks for yet more suggestion and also for investigating the notes indexing issue in Archivarius!

1129
Sorry for posting and then not replying for a while. Great to see so many interesting suggestions. It's hard for me to post back on all the interesting stuff you post about but I'm eagerly reading every bit of it.

urlwolf (anrmado, cnewtonne, ... ),
ok, I'll be sure to try the latest Adobe Acrobat trial and see how the note features have evolved.

Urlwolf (and others): You say the notes can be searched. Does that include "cross-document" searching? Also, when using an external indexing search tool like google desktop search, are such notes in pdf files also indexed or only the original pdf text?

When googling I found this post on a feature for summarizing notes in freestanding pdf files. That sounds very useful. Have anyone tried it and have comments?  http://blogs.adobe.c...for_summarizing.html

Darwin,
Yes I'm also sceptical about using EndNote for pdf notes since it can't really do margin notes, underlining and so on on (or overlaying) the pdf pages, right? It can connect separate note files and pdf files in its bibliography database. But maybe the best solution will be a tagteam of Acrobat and some database/organizer tool and so maybe EndNote could be that tag partner.

Great descriptions and screenshots of PaperPort Professional! Sounds like another contender as a pdf note application. And they do have a 15-day trial now it seems ( http://www.nuance.com/paperport/trial/ ) so I'll try that out too. Thanks for the heads up about slow indexing also.

I think the possibility of making notes for edit protected pdf files was one of the things that got me thinking about a system with free-standing note files layered "on top" of the regular pdf files. For personal use it is easy to remove the proctection for most pdf files and I have no qualms about doing so for the sake of entering notes or something like that. But sharing notes by passing around the unlocked files might be another thing... The prospect of just sending a small note file that works for anyone with the original, still protected pdf file is more appealing. Especially if we want, like I want, large, online and free archives of these kinds of margin notes, underlinings and so on. (one obvious problem with that vision, apart from it being a dream and no actual product  :), is that the document properties needed to position the underlining, margin notes and so on might not be available if the document is in protected mode)

Armando, 
Interesting what you write about your manual tagging system. I've made some such attempts (not as systematic as what you describe though) but often feel discouraged by my own inconsistencies from too quickly typing the various tags. I think more gui guided/programmatic tagging is the way to go really so I'll check out some of those tools you mention.

Re:hyperlinks: if journal article pdf files consistently cointain doi ID numbers as some type of metadata (I don't know if they do, but it wouldn't surprise me), then maybe some rather simple script could be made to extract doi+page number, make a string and paste into any external note file. Later, selecting that string in the notes and running the script again searches for a doi-matching document, opens it and jumps to the matching page.

"with X1, Copernic, Farr, the right tagging and file naming system, the right organization structure, the pretty standard "commenting" ability found in many software, and a good note taking software (myBase, EverNote, etc.),  a good OCR program and a fast scanner, it doesn't seem like a terribly difficult task."

Ok, maybe such a multiple program approach is the way to go. Does apps like myBase, Evernote,... get all their notes indexed by such local search tools? Does the indexing tools also index tags for notes made with the note applications internal tagging tools (in contrast to manual tags as plain text phrases on the notes page)?


cnewtonne,
UltraRecall sounds very powerful at least for notes on/in non-pdf documents. If I understand it correctly RepliGo has highlighting only on separate copies of the original pdf and seems very geared toward mobile users. I'll put it on my "to try" list though that i getting long right now so... :-) Are the copies RG makes pure image files or is the text still searchable and so on?

"software psychologist" - yeah, bring'em on  ;D

1130
Hi,
I'd like to bring up a sub-topic concerning tools/strategies for note taking related to reading PDF files (or locally saved, static text files more generally).

Like many others I read a lot of articles, reports, books that come as PDF files. Fairly often, I find myself falling back to a very primitive two part note taking system:
system 1. print PDF to paper, then jot down brief margin notes, underline, mark and so on during the first, quick read.
system 2. During a second, more thorough reading, type summary, copy&paste key quote sections, add thoughts/comments and so on in notepad or similar. Save notes for "article123.pdf" in "article123.txt" next to the PDF.

This common (perhaps apart from the last detail on naming/saving) system has advantages (+) and drawbacks (-).

system 1: notes on PDF-printout
+ quick for short notes
+ no computer needed
+ notes located right next to relevant source (no separate quoting needed, context is clear)
- no programmatic searching, indexing, comparison, editing, tagging
- timeconsuming for long notes
- physical archive needed
- costs related to paper (economical, environmental. Lessened, not removed, by FinePrint)

system 2: notes in separate plain-text files
inverse many +/- above. Also:
- rich formats lost when qouting
- for long notes, less overview due to plain text. Using manual sectioning (1 , 1.2 , 1.3 ... ) takes time and is error prone.
+ independent/portable between computers, operating systems, software and so on

My impression is that many of the applications discussed in this enormous thread replace system 2 with complex software that allow rich text formats, search, indexing, editing, tagging and so on. Such replacement is not my focus here so I'll just say that I've tried many such programs, find many of them impressive but have not yet settled on any single one. Mainly since first making a complete commitment to an application and then later wanting to switch after all could come at a high cost (time, format conversion issues, re-learning and so on). So I keep trying out different software. In the meantime I also often fall back on system 2, complemented with separate rich text files when needed (usually via the Open Office apps)

Now, what I really want to discuss is software that replaces system 1. Specifically, software that emulates and improves on manual notes on/around a printed source text and also ideally connects/combines systems 1 & 2.

I know of three types of software that do some of that: complex pdf-viewers/editors (Acrobat), bibliography tools (EndNote), general information aggregators (OneNote). I don't have a lot of experience with any of these tools but my vague impression is that they are all still pretty crude in this regard. They may lack in customizability, easy portability and/or cross-document searching, indexing, tagging of notes. Maybe the OneNote type of applications are most promising for now, especially combined with input tech like tablet PCs with pens and OCR for hand written text. Such tech is of course needed if we at some time want to import all previous, hand written notes.

Anyway, here are three features I think an future, ideal such system should have:

A. co-location: notes should be inputable/viewable right next to the relevant source section. So underlining, adding margin notes and so should be possible in or in the context of the pdf-viewer, not (only) in a separate document in a separate window. And even additional notes in a separate document should somehow be (hyper)linked to the source text parts that they concern.

B. independence/portability: notes should be easily portable between different users, computers, operating systems, applications.

C. systematicity: cross-document searching, indexing, tagging and so on of notes should be supported.

Combining A-C seems like a very hard task. B seems to require some standardized format for such notes, a format that different applications can follow or at least import/export from/to.

One way to tackle this design problem would be to find an area with similarities to on-the-page note taking and that already has working solutions with features A-C. An interesting such comparison that I thought of is plain-text .srt-subtitle files for video: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubRip . These contain a list of paired timestamps and dialog text snippets. Put "movie123.srt" in the same folder as the movie file "movie123.avi" the subtitle was made for, start the video and chances are your media player will recognize and display the subtitle automatically.

Can a similar system be had for notes in PDF files? The .srt system relies on static video files and many pdf files are static enough too. For example pdf versions of professional journal articles. Where .srt files tie content (dialog text) to points in time (timestamps), the pdf notes can instead be tied to page number, X/Y coordinates and other properties of the original pdf text.

With such a system sharing of notes would be very easy if the same source pdf files are already available. Just copy/paste upload/download the note files. Specific sites could host large note archives. Notes could be tied to articles/books through filename and DOI ( http://www.doi.org/ ) or ISBN ( http://en.wikipedia....Standard_Book_Number ) numbers. For a very rough analogy on how such a site could work, see this german site  http://www.cutlist.de/  that seems to share timestamps for when to start/stop cropping when removing commercials from PVR recorded programs (my german is bad so I'm not completely sure though).
 
Also, multiple notes for one single pdf file could potentially be combined and switched on/off individually, like layers in Photoshop ( http://en.wikipedia....igital_image_editing) ). Imagine a pdf viewer window with two panes. The left displays the pdf and also has a row of tabs/checkboxes on top. Someone studying ancient literature has a free pdf version of the Iliad. She then adds and compares on-the-page notes on the Iliad from scholar 1, scholar 2 and so on by clicking on the different note layer tabs. It would be as easy as browsing through the various audio tracks on a DVD disc! The right pane contains more extensive and general notes. Some hyperlinking systems connects these panes, so double clicking on a section in the right pane jumps the left pane the the related pdf section and vice versa.

Also, users could in the pdf viewer customize the display style for one and the same basic note file (like what a .css can do for a .html). For example, switch underline display color from red to green.

Another advantage with such a standardized system is that it would allow different software developers to continually compete and allows users to switch back and forth between various software. The notes aren't locked into one specific software.

Ok, I've written long enough for now. I'd love some feedback on the ideas sketched above. I know they're a bit utopian. ;D

Also, I have a more specific question to all readers of this thread:
Do you think that there already is some good software that does something close to A-C for pdf notes?

1131
An alternative if you have Win XP is to use Scheduled Task. Here's a tutorial: http://www.iopus.com...des/winscheduler.htm

1132
-42!  :) After quite a few attempts I should add.
The same author also made the spiderman like Double Wires: http://ishi.blog2.fc.../blog-entry-199.html
It has the same great gravity feel to it.

1133
Impressive how complex the flash games are becoming nowadays.

Here's a more simplistic new game that is great fun:
Cat with Bow Golf   http://ishi.blog2.fc...g-entry-211.html?new

1134
I noticed RSSOwl version 2.0 is in development. They have a very informative five part flash demo (made in wink) up at http://boreal.rssowl.org/ . Some really interesting new features have been added (group tagging, smart saved searches as filters and much more). I think RSSOwl will be a really strong competitor to GreatNews in the freeware slot. I'm not sure how it compares with GreatNews resource wise though, since it uses Java.

1135
Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: Count my jazz albums
« on: May 19, 2007, 04:53 AM »
given a folder structure like this,
x:\cds\ARTIST1\ALBUM1\file.mp3
x:\cds\ARTIST1\ALBUM2\file.mp3
x:\cds\ARTIST2\ALBUM1\file.mp3
x:\cds\ARTIST2\ALBUM2\CD1\file.mp3
x:\cds\ARTIST2\ALBUM2\CD2\file.mp3
x:\cds\ARTIST2\OTHERFOLDER\no .mp3/.ogg/.wma/.wav files
...
the AHK script below takes a folder as input, counts the total number of artists, counts the total number of albums and output a list with this format:
total albums = XX
total artists = YY
-----------

ARTIST1
  ALBUM1
  ALBUM2
ARTIST2
  ALBUM1
  ALBUM2
...
script:
FileSelectFolder, xroot,,3, Select root CD folder. Example:
C:\rootCD`nThen click OK to run script
if xroot =
 exitapp
Loop, %xroot%\*.* , 2, 0
{
xartist = %A_LoopFileName%
xtext = %xtext%%xartist%`n
xartistcount += 1

Loop, %xroot%\%xartist%\*.* , 2, 0
{
xalbum = %A_LoopFileName%
Loop, %xroot%\%xartist%\%xalbum%\*.*,,1     ;recursive file loop
{
if A_LoopFileExt not in mp3,ogg,wma,wav             ;add ext. for other music file formats if needed
 continue
xtext = %xtext%%A_space%%A_space%%xalbum%`n
xalbumcount += 1
break
}
}
}
xout = total albums = %xalbumcount%`ntotal artists = %xartistcount%`n-----------`n%xtext%
xfile = %A_Temp%\%A_Now%.txt
FileAppend, %xout%, %xfile%
run, %xfile%

1136
Living Room / Re: What's your pet's favorite toy?
« on: May 09, 2007, 01:12 PM »
I agree on Q-tips and laser pointers. Both are on the cat toplist for sure.

Also, a tiny RC car can be great fun for cats to chase around (and escape from when you turn it around and charge ). Buy the really cheap ones though, because they will break pretty soon. I've seen cats transform into Godzilla at the sight of the RC car.

I've also been thinking of buying a tiny battery driven toy boat and put in the tub after filling it with a few centimeters of water. If I could put some dry food on the boat in a way that makes it hard, but not impossible, to get to then I bet the cat could play with that for quite some time.

1137
Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: Triple-Click Mouse Utility
« on: May 09, 2007, 12:33 PM »
Great that it works for you!  :) You can also easily modify the script to send other commands when other applications have focus.

1138
Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: Triple-Click Mouse Utility
« on: May 07, 2007, 02:55 AM »
Ralf,
glad to hear StrokeIt is working for you... Here's a triple click script for Autohotkey. It lets all clicks through to windows so watch out for accidental single/double click commands when trying to triple click. Also, it only sends the command tied to triple click if a certain process has focus (notepad.exe below, change that to whatever process name you want to send SHIFT + F2 to)

~LButton::
WinGet, xproc, ProcessName, A
if xproc != notepad.exe
 return

if t1 =
 {
 t1 = %A_Now%
 return
 }

if t2 =
 {
 if (A_Now - t1) < 1
   t2 = %A_Now%
 else
   t1 =
 return
 }

if (A_Now - t1) < 1
 {
 Send +{F2}
 t1 =
 t2 =
 return
 }

t1 = %A_Now%
t2 =

1139
Post New Requests Here / Re: IDEA: Triple-Click Mouse Utility
« on: May 06, 2007, 11:43 AM »
Hi Ralf,
there are various mouse gesture programs that I think could do that. In addition to StrokeIt that Mouse mentioned Autohotkey (http://www.autohotkey.com ) is capable of mouse gesture scripts ( http://www.autohotke...ts/MouseGestures.htm ).

Triple left clicks might be complicated to implement since I suppose you would still want to use single and double clicks in many contexts. So the script must often let those through but not in those cases where you want the triple click functionality.

One alternative would be to instead make a mouse middle button gesture. For example, when you hold the mouse middle button and at the same time drag the mouse up, window sends SHIFT-F2. There are two advantages here: Middle mouse clicks are seldom used in window applications so there are fewer possible conflicts. Also, holding middle mouse button and moving the mouse might be less tiring than triple clicking (I at least get tired in my right arm quickly when I do a lot of double clicking so triple would be even worse).

I made such a script for Autohotkey that sends SHIFT-F2 on middle mouse press + mouse move up. You could try it and see if it fits your needs:
~MButton::
MouseGetPos, OutputVarX, OutputVarY
sleep, 100
MouseGetPos, OutputVarXB, OutputVarYB
GetKeyState, state, MButton
if state = D
{
ydiff := OutputVarY - OutputVarYB
if ydiff > 50
Send +{F2}
}

1140
Bloodmasters 1.2 is now released:

"Yes, here it is, the long promised update! With this update I give you several bug fixes, 2 new Deathmatch maps and 3 new Capture The Flag maps. Download and enjoy! "
http://www.bloodmasters.com/

1141
Post New Requests Here / Re: Audio output device manager
« on: April 25, 2007, 02:44 AM »
lanux128,
"btw, how do you change the output device?"
Not sure what you mean here. This line in the script does it specifically:
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %xnew%
After you change that (by just running the script), windows uses the specified device as default.
Maybe you meant recording device? If so, then there's a registry key that I think will work similarly (though I haven't tried it):
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper]
"Record"="C-Media USB Headphone Set  "


skrommel, yes sadly the running programs must be restarted to be affected by the change. I've seen some programs that bypass the default device setting and choose output device on the fly but I don't know how to implement that in a script. One idea though: the trial for Virtual Audio Cable ( http://software.muzy...ng/vac.html#download ) includes the small tool audiorepeater.exe that can virtually sent audio from one device to another. Maybe a script could utilize that.

1142
Post New Requests Here / Re: Audio output device manager
« on: April 24, 2007, 07:28 AM »
lanux128, ok I hadn't seen that thread. This means aljhenry now has two script solutions to choose between. :Thmbsup: An advantage with the script above is that no audio device properties window pops up.

Come to think of it, one way to improve both scripts would be to somehow bypass the need to setup device name(s) manually in the script. When I do a quick search in the registry I find my devices listed here:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveMovie\devenum\{33D9A762-90C8-11D0-BD43-00A0C911CE86}]
like this:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveMovie\devenum\{33D9A762-90C8-11D0-BD43-00A0C911CE86}\C-Media USB Headphone Set  ]
"FriendlyName"="C-Media USB Headphone Set  "
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\ActiveMovie\devenum\{33D9A762-90C8-11D0-BD43-00A0C911CE86}\Realtek AC97 Audio]
"FriendlyName"="Realtek AC97 Audio"

Does anyone know if that location is the same for all XP installs? If so, then it would be easy to write a script that automatically grabs the names of all audio devices and then switches between them.

edit: I also find them here:
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Volume Control]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Volume Control\C-Media USB Headphone Set  ]
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Volume Control\Realtek AC97 Audio]


edit2:
Ok, I just put this together. Works fine on my XP system but note that it relies on the fact that my audio device names are listed in the registry at the last location noted above. It would be great if someone could quickly check if that registry location lists audio device names on his/her PC too.

#SingleInstance force
AutoTrim, Off
;________GET AUDIO DEVICE NAMES INTO ARRAY________________
xcount = 1
Loop, HKEY_CURRENT_USER , Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Applets\Volume Control,2,0
{
if A_LoopRegName = Options                 ;ignore subkey "Options"
 continue
dev%xcount% = %A_LoopRegName%     ;put audio device name in array
xcount += 1
}
xcount -= 1

;________GET CURRENT AUDIO DEVICE NAME____________________
RegRead, x, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback

;________LOOP OVER ARRAY. IF MATCH, SWITCH TO NEXT________
Loop, %xcount%
{
if dev%A_index% != %x%                ;not match current device?
 continue
xc := A_index + 1
if xc > %xcount%
xc = 1
xnew := dev%xc%                           ;name of new device
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %xnew%
TrayTip, ,%xnew%, 2,
break
}
sleep 2000

1143
Post New Requests Here / Re: Audio output device manager
« on: April 23, 2007, 03:55 PM »
hi aljhenry,

If I understand what you write correctly you have three different sound devices. If so, then maybe I can help. You can switch between audio devices in Windows XP here:
control panel > sound and audio device properties > audio > default device
a.png
Any application running before you change the device (like a browser) must usually be closed and restarted for the change to take effect on its audio. So the process would each time be:
1. change device
2. restart/start the application you want to play the sound from

My stationary home computer has two audio devices that I switch between daily.  I wrote a script in AHK (autohotkey.com) to speed up the switching. Since the script includes the device names on my particular system, it must be modified a bit to work on your system. The script changes the default device by changing a registry key:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback

Here's the core of my script:
#SingleInstance force
dev1 = Realtek AC97 Audio
dev2 = C-Media USB Headphone Set%A_Space%%A_Space%
RegRead, x, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback
If x = %dev1%
{
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %dev2%
TrayTip, ,%dev2%, 2,
}
else
{
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %dev1%
TrayTip, ,%dev1%, 2,
}
sleep 2000
If you have 3 audio devices, it could in your case look something like this:
#SingleInstance force
dev1 = name-of-device-1
dev2 = name-of-device-2
dev3 = name-of-device-3
RegRead, x, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback
If x = %dev1%
{
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %dev2%
TrayTip, ,%dev2%, 2,
}
if x = %dev2%
{
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %dev3%
TrayTip, ,%dev3%, 2,
}
if x = %dev3%
{
RegWrite, REG_SZ, HKEY_CURRENT_USER, Software\Microsoft\Multimedia\Sound Mapper, Playback, %dev1%
TrayTip, ,%dev1%, 2,
}
sleep 2000
Where you should replace "name-of-device-1" and so on with the name of your audio devices as they are displayed in the sound and audio device properties. Be sure to check if there are spaces at the end of the device names! If there are spaces, add "%A_Space%" (without the quotes) in the AHK script for each space. For example, one of my audio devices is called "C-Media USB Headphone Set  " in the audio device properties and in the registry. Therefore, I have "C-Media USB Headphone Set%A_Space%%A_Space%" in the code above (again, without the quotes).

You then put the script file on the desktop and doubleclick to switch audio device.

Was this of any help?

1144
General Software Discussion / Re: Engauge Digitizer
« on: April 19, 2007, 05:00 AM »
Slightly off topic, but I hope it's ok since this reminded me of something I've been curious about for some time. Is there some fairly simple program that (1) lets you create forms with checkboxes and perhaps also boxes for lettering and (2) can later scan a printed and filled copy of the form and export the data into various formats (or alternatively, do that OCR work on an image that some other scanning application creates)?

The ideal would be a program that lets me take an existing form, for example as a pdf document, load it into the application and create a "OCR template" out of it, by autorecognizing the place and size of its checkboxes and other fields and/or letting me manually set areas to OCR. But even a very basic version of such a program that only can be set to OCR a few checkboxes of one standard format might be useful for me.

Since automated OCR processing of forms seems to have been deployed by large companies for many years so maybe there are some end user applications capable of that today?

1145
General Software Discussion / Re: Quizo QTTabbar
« on: April 12, 2007, 03:19 AM »
Great that there's Search as You Type! I'll try QTTabbar later this week. One custom tool I'm thinking of trying to set up would be a link to FindAndReplaceRobot or some similar tool. you type a phrase in QTTabbar/QTToolbar2 and press a custom key. FARR is then launched and searches with the phrase in the active folder and all subfolders.

BTW, given that QTToolbar2 only searches the current folder it's very extensive custom search options really seems overkill.

1146
General Software Discussion / Re: Quizo QTTabbar
« on: April 11, 2007, 11:43 AM »
Yes, I noticed those ("? Folder   Just the folder is selected." , "? ^folder   It selects other than the folder.")
But I suspect those switches only narrow the search to files and/or folders (foldernames) inside the current folder. So still no search within subfolders.

I'm not sure though since everything I type after the ? runs according to this switch:
"?   Command is executed by way of command prompt."

I agree that QTToolBar probably never aspired to replace the regular Explorer search. Still, subfolder searches would be really neat!  8)

 If you have multiple explorer tabs in QTTabBar and then do a search, do you get matches from within the active folder or from all folders?

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General Software Discussion / Re: Quizo QTTabbar
« on: April 11, 2007, 10:21 AM »
Ok, I found some time after all.  :)

Since I don't need tabs in Explorer I tried the smaller QT ToolBar 2.1.0.9 from the same page instead. It is a "search toolbar for Explorer".
toolbar[1].png
It seems excellent so far. Quick installation (it asked for a logoff/reboot though). No noticeable slowdown when running. It docks with the toolbars on top of explorer. It has three slots for other tools (the user can choose two of them). Some included tools are useful: open cmd here and put selected file(s) name or path or md5 in clipboard (or compare it to a md5 value already in clipboard). It's possible to add other custom tools by specifying command line arguments though I haven't tried that yet.

I find these differences (in most cases advantages) over the search built into Explorer:

- the toolbar stays on top. In comparison, the search in Exploreral always expands a sidebar. When using a small explorer window (which I often do), the bulky sidebar covers the whole width of the window so the search results are not visible.
- automatic sequencial searches (searches only within the results from the previous search) which is very useful. For example, if you search for "html" and get 100 matches, these files are automatically selected. If you search again, without deselecting, you then search only among those 100 files. If you want to start searching on all files again, submit the search through ctrl+enter instead of just enter (the same goes for ctrl+leftclick/leftclick on the search button). Very intuitive!
- only searches the current folder, not subfolder or other folders/drives.
- advanced searching capabilities (regexp, by various file attributes, by date, by file comment, file content and so on). Either through switches in the search box or through an andvanced search popup window. Also support for launching command line arguments and web searches from the searchbox.
- customizable hotkeys

What I miss:

- option to search subfolders too (would be especially useful given the advanced search features)
- the option "show only result files" does not work for me. That would be a useful option. 
- search as you type

Check out this translation of the application page for a detailed overview of the features.
http://babelfish.alt...freeware/Manual.html

Curt, Nighted: are all the above search features included in QTTabbar too? Does it even have some extra search features (apart from search as you type)?

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General Software Discussion / Re: Quizo QTTabbar
« on: April 11, 2007, 04:31 AM »
Interesting! A quick questions (since I don't have time to try it out myself ATM): Does it slow down Explorer in any noticeable way?

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tamer1,
If I understand what you want corretly, then it can be done easily in AutoHotKey or some similar script tool (it's free, see autohotkey.com ). For example, here's a script that AutoHotKey can make a compiled .exe file out of. When you drop a file on it, it checks if the file is from one of two folders and runs a set program based on that. To look for other folders and run other programs, just expand the basic formula for those cases (some programs need a special character before the path to the dragged and dropped file though. So you might need "run, C:\Program\UltraEdit-32\uedit32.exe /%1%" or -%1% or something like that in some cases. Hope this helps!

SplitPath, 1,, xdirname
if xdirname = C:\program\xx
 run, notepad %1%
if xdirname = C:\program\xx2
 run, C:\Program\UltraEdit-32\uedit32.exe %1%
return

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I also think GreatNews is impressive. One great thing I noticed while testdriving it is that it allows different "expiration dates" for different feeds. That´s great since there are so many types of feeds. Some feeds I treat almost like email and so want to store some items indefinitely. For other feeds, I just want to se the most recent 10 or so items in the flow.

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