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I will look at the footnotes bit sometime. But, from what I read, it seems as if it only works when published on the web. I don't do that, so as a Utilitarian, it wouldn't be of immediate interest to me. I also have a feeling that their thinking about it is wrong. Just from the way they talk. But I will get there and look.
I'm with you that talking about how brains work is lazy writing. I'm very happy with the feature though and I think I just realized it helps me writing better, with core ideas as text and 'supplemental material' as rich notes. The text should flow without using those notes. And because you can embed the notes on anything (wordpress, etc), this feature may extend to everything you write.

It's not a flashy feature, and it's easy to copy, but I suspect they are onto something here!

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This is very interesting:
https://alloy.dev/essays/formative.html

They seem to be in for the long run. More so than most of these VC funded companies that (as the article describes) have competing incentives

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@Dormouse, great catch on the website for notetaking comparison being influenced by amplenote. Didn't occur to me to check. Brilliant, clear thinking on your side! This is a beautiful example of Julia Galef's 'scout mindset'

I'd say reevaluate amplenote. They 'invented' rich footnotes. And I think it makes A LOT of sense. I never realized that sometimes my full notes (with the corresponding overhead) were just footnotes.
This is it:
https://www.amplenote.com/help/improved_research_thinking_depth_write_in_3d

Worth getting deeper into this, as it might be a completely new paradigm. I'm just starting to grasp its significance.

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Since I posted that I 'solved' the lack of decent graph view in zim, I realized I don't need the network all that much.

I found a product I really like: amplenote.

Pros
* The rich footnote is revolutionary as a communication method: hoover a note with cursor, you will see the text
* OCR image text in full text search
* pdf indexed in search
* exports version history https://www.noteapps.info/apps/compare?note_app=amplenote%2Bnotejoy%2Bworkflowy&selected_group=import_export#compare-preface
* moving fast, not buggy
* Decent collaboration: https://www.noteapps.info/apps/compare?note_app=amplenote%2Bnotejoy%2Bworkflowy&selected_group=collaboration#compare-preface but not real time nor comments on text in a note
* offline: https://www.noteapps.info/apps/compare?note_app=amplenote%2Bnotejoy%2Bworkflowy&selected_group=offline#compare-preface
* killer CEO programmer. Similar to notejoy
* automatic task priorization (never worked for me but ok worth trying)
* good mobile app
* can be a CRM with notes as reminders
* calendar so can do timeblocking
* good privacy
* integrates google sheets
* Hide task x days
* value prop: get from ideas to done things
* has  rich footnotes (notes on notes). So the thinking can stay clear in the note, and evidence is a footnote
* has clipper
* works as 'readmelater'
* bootstrapped, 5USD per team member, no guests
* founder is a productivity superstar, CEO Bill Harding
* backlinks have context
* shared tags (for teams) for collaboration
* tweet and youtube embeds
* also spreadsheets
* can link to a specific section (not a paragraph though)
* hierarchical tags are interesting
* real time collaboration

cons

* latency
* no tables unless embedding gdocs https://www.noteapps.info/apps/compare?note_app=amplenote%2Bnotejoy%2Bworkflowy&selected_group=tables#compare-preface
* no graph view. Top 5 feature request
* costs money. But free beta with nag screens https://www.amplenote.com/freemium_beta_plan
* Server in the US

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Great job Dormouse; DC is a wonderful place for people who really care about their tools for thought.
BTW reading this: https://moritz.digital/cas/

My 'problem' with zim not having good network visualization is 'solved'. I found a way for zim to use markdown, so I can now open the folder in say obsidian and see a proper graph. Kinda using obsidian only for visualization, zim for generating the notes and writing (thanks to best latency in class).

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