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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« on: February 03, 2022, 08:13 AM »
"Before the 2020s, a note was just a note. A note was something you took, used, and tossed.

Let's call this: "Churn and Burn".

But now, in the Age of the [[Linked]] Note things are different. Now notes can grow and evolve with other notes, to form
a living system of related thoughts that you can develop throughout your lifetime.

Let's call this: "Know and Grow".

THE ANSWER ISN'T MORE NOTES... IT'S BETTER NOTES."
https://www.linkingyourthinking.com/

I find that very interesting. Yeah, notetakers have taken a leap forward and we are only starting to understand how PKM works.
Funny that there are people selling products in the 1000s of $ to teach you how to organize your notes. Not endorsing the course, E haven't even finished reading the landing page :)

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« on: February 03, 2022, 07:15 AM »
In fact, zim has the least firepower (in devs) of all these 'new apps' that take notetaking to a next level.
Comparing it with roam, athens, or remnote is unfair as those apps have millions in the bank and hordes of developers. Not to mention an active community.

Zim is written mostly by one dev, Jaap, who is really amazing and dedicated, but has a fulltime job and does zim on his spare time! The tech stack (python instead of JS/electron) makes it very difficult to implement dynamic graphs. There are great libs for electron but none that I know of for python.

Jaap has a strong sense of design and simplicity. It has made zim a monumentally useful app. And it's still the fastest UX of all notetaking apps. His decision to stick to desktop and not doing electron crap IS the killer feature.

It's only when reaching 1000s of notes in zim that I'm starting to value more the advantages of a dynamic graph. I know people here moved to obsidian for the graph but ended up not using it very much. I was of the same opinion (graph is a gimmick) but now with many notes I would love to link them graphically.


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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« on: February 03, 2022, 03:26 AM »
I have found one potential problem in zim. Graph view is a second class citizen. It's static (can't filter, search, group etc), it's slow to render (>10s for large graphs), and the lead dev doesn't have plans to make  it better.

Given the tremendous competitive pressure in this space, this could be enough for me to move to an alternative. After years of adding notes, thinking with the graph view starts gaining value.

Problem is most of the competitors are browser based/electron, and that means typing latency is very high. I find typing latency very important (measure it with typometer from Pavel Faltin). If you can convince yourself that it doesn't matter, then by all means you an use any browser-based tool for writing... I can't :)

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« on: February 02, 2022, 02:52 PM »
https://zenkit.com/en/hypernotes/

Is either one of those what you were referring to?

-wraith808 (January 28, 2022, 09:20 PM)
The second one

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General Software Discussion / Re: I'm thinking of going primitive, with discursion into zettelkasten
« on: February 02, 2022, 04:45 AM »
Very uncomfortable with Obsidian's direction (I'll address that in another post).
Very curious, please link here.

Obsidian has better filtering for graph stuff.
I just use it to visualize things better than in zim, where graphs are static and cannot be filtered in any way.
Obsidian UX bugs me.

At that point you could just use a 'real' graph editor from graphviz format like https://github.com/ArsMasiuk/qvge.

Here's the author saying graph stuff is not in his priority list:
https://github.com/zim-desktop-wiki/zim-desktop-wiki/discussions/1892

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