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I just installed and tried out Power Favorites. Although my overall impression is favorable and it might appeal to many people, there's a simple feature missing that makes the program ususable to me.

Powermarks enables selecting which fields appear as columns in the main bookmark list, and I depend on one of those columns being the tags associated with each bookmark. Power Favorites decides for you what fields are displayed, and tags are not one of them.

I realize that the tags of the currently highlighted bookmark are displayed in the bottom pane, but that’s not useful to me in browsing my bookmarks.

By the way, I noticed that the create date for imported Powermarks was often incorrect.

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Hi Marc, nice to see you here.

Power Favorites, as you present it on your website, looks like a great program. I didn't try it out because I was looking for a program that can import my 4000 bookmarks from Powermarks, and it doesn't seem that yours can. (Although I have the programming skills to convert a Powermarks file to whatever the Power Favorites file format is, most people don't.)

As mentioned above, both miTaggedMarks and Netvouz can do this.

It's not clear to me from your site if your search facility is find-as-you-type; i.e. do the search results narrow with each letter I type into the search box, or do I have to type in a whole word and click that binoculars button? If the latter, I would consider that a major deficit and would encourage you to change that.

I agree with superboyac and patteo that Powermarks is about as close to perfect as programs get. In my opinion, anybody who can replicate or add to its features, while maintaining its simplicity and enabling importing of existing Powermarks bookmarks, would be doing a great thing.

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superboyac, I suggest doing the following:

1. in your Powermarks options, in the Startup section, check "Start Powermarks when Windows starts"
2. in your Powermarks options, in the Hotkeys section, set "Add bookmark from browser" to alt+ctrl+=
3. if you haven't already, install AutoHotkey and read the tutorial for basic info on how it works
4. create a new file called hotkeys.ahk, copy the code below into it (modified for your hotkey), and save it
5. set the hotkey to be defined for your system at startup by adding a shortcut to hotkeys.ahk to your startup folder
6. reboot

^+=::
   Clipsave = %Clipboard%                    ; save the current clipboard contents
   WinActivate Firefox                       ; move to the Firefox window
   WinWaitActive Firefox                     ; wait until the Firefox window is active
   Send !d^c                                 ; copy the page's URL
   Send !^=                                  ; simulate the hotkey for "Add bookmark from browser"
   WinWaitActive Bookmark Properties         ; wait until the new blank powermark appears
   Send {Tab}                                ; move to the URL field
   ControlGetFocus, ControlName              ; wait until we're at the URL field
   loop
   {
      if ControlName = Edit7
         break
      sleep 50
      ControlGetFocus, ControlName
   }
   Send ^v                                   ; paste in the URL
   Send !f                                   ; hit the Fetch button
   WinWaitActive Updating Powermark          ; wait until the fetch finishes
   ControlGetText, ButtonText, Button1
   loop
   {
      if ButtonText = OK
         break
      sleep 50
      ControlGetText, ButtonText, Button1
   }
   Send {Enter}                              ; close the fetch window
   WinWaitActive Bookmark Properties         ; wait until the fetch window closes
   Send {Tab}{Del}^+{End}{Del}               ; delete the fetched keywords so I can enter my own
   Clipboard = %Clipsave%                    ; restore the previous clipboard contents
   return

Now, Powermarks and AutoHotkey will run in the background. Hitting shift+ctrl+= will run the code associated with that hotkey. One of the things that code will do is simulate pressing alt+ctrl+=, which you've set in Powermarks as the hotkey to add a bookmark. You don't have to mess with compiling the script.

I owe you more than I can ever repay for your contribution to this site, especially the note-taking project. Plus, like you, Powermarks showed me the brilliance (and unfortunate rarity!) of find-as-you-type. So I'd be more than happy to work with you until you get this running.

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TucknDar, do you use AutoHotkey? If so, and you don't mind hitting a hotkey instead of pressing a button, try my script above and let me know if it works for you.

patteo & TucknDar, I've always preferred hitting Alt-M (my defined keystroke) to add a new bookmark over moving the mouse to press a button that takes up room on a browser toolbar.

And relying on an extension to implement a button re-creates a dependency on Firefox that could fail with a future Firefox upgrade.

Nevertheless, as I said, tomorrow I'll try compiling my script and see if I can attach it to a button for the Firefox users who want one.

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TucknDar, I don't think it works that way. You launch the program at startup and it runs in the background, waiting for a hotkey or button push to trigger it to add a bookmark.

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patteo, tomorrow I'll see if I can add my compiled ahk script to a Firefox button using Custom Buttons² and the External Application button.

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I spent some time this afternoon improving my code:

!m::
   Clipsave = %Clipboard%                    ; save the current clipboard contents
   WinActivate Firefox                       ; move to the Firefox window
   WinWaitActive Firefox                     ; wait until the Firefox window is active
   Send !d^c                                 ; copy the page's URL
   Send ^+m                                  ; simulate the hotkey for "Add bookmark from browser"
   WinWaitActive Bookmark Properties         ; wait until the new blank powermark appears
   Send {Tab}                                ; move to the URL field
   ControlGetFocus, ControlName              ; wait until we're at the URL field
   loop
   {
      if ControlName = Edit7
         break
      sleep 50
      ControlGetFocus, ControlName
   }
   Send ^v                                   ; paste in the URL
   Send !f                                   ; hit the Fetch button
   WinWaitActive Updating Powermark          ; wait until the fetch finishes
   ControlGetText, ButtonText, Button1
   loop
   {
      if ButtonText = OK
         break
      sleep 50
      ControlGetText, ButtonText, Button1
   }
   Send {Enter}                              ; close the fetch window
   WinWaitActive Bookmark Properties         ; wait until the fetch window closes
   Send {Tab}{Del}^+{End}{Del}               ; delete the fetched keywords so I can enter my own
   Clipboard = %Clipsave%                    ; restore the previous clipboard contents
   return

I replaced the clunky sleep statements with tests to determine when Powermarks has finished responding to the keystrokes I send it. Besides being cleaner, it works better, and the script will work the same on someone else's system as it does on mine.

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You might want to spend a little time with miTaggedMarks. It's the closest thing to Powermarks. Michael has put a lot of thought and work into the program, and his tag handling is actually more sophisticated than that of Powermarks. It's too bad he hasn't implemented something like Powermarks's status checking of the bookmarks.

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Hi guys,

I've been meaning to post a writeup of my recent research into this question but have procrastinated until now. Thanks, patteo, for inspiring me to share my results.

I've been married to Powermarks for almost ten years. With the twin blows of Kaylon no longer supporting it and it "not working" with Firefox 3, I recently found myself moving through the five stages of grief. Then, having finally accepted that I must abandon my longest-used, most-used, and most-loved program, I furiously started looking for an alternative.

Without even testing them, I rejected most standalone bookmark managers because they rely on a tree rather than tags. That left two that actually use tags, miTaggedMarks and Power Favorites (formerly XBEL Bookmark Manager). I tried out miTaggedMarks and was impressed by its ability to import a Powermarks file and by its tag handling features. But before I could try Power Favorites (and figure out how much trouble it would be to devise a way to import my powermarks), I realized that I was essentially on the road to recreating the sorry situation in which I had found myself--having entrusted the most important part of my online life to a lone obscure programmer who could close up shop tomorrow.

So I decided to look at del.icio.us. I figured out how get my 4300 powermarks into del.icio.us with the tags intact (I'll post that process separately in the next few days). I've had a Google Alert for the search term "powermarks" for years, which among other things has led me to read several unanswered appeals from Powermarks users desperate to get their bookmarks into del.icio.us. So seeing all those powermarks there in del.icio.us felt like quite a triumph. But you know, after working with it for a while, I just did not like that web interface. I tried the del.icio.us Firefox extension, and that was pretty nifty, but the whole experience was so far short of what I'd been used to that I started thinking again.

Because I had equated Firefox 3 with Death to Powermarks, until last month I hadn't paid it any attention at all. But during all my research I discovered that Firefox 3 had incorporated tags into bookmarks, so I took a look. I installed Firefox 3 and, as patteo did, the TagSifter extension, then went to work on importing my powermarks into Firefox. (I'll post that process soon, too). Seeing my powermarks in Firefox with tags, I experienced once again the feeling I had upon successfully importing my powermarks to del.icio.us: a mixture of jubilation, joy, and wonder. But, once again, after a few hours I was dissatisfied, as patteo was.

In desperation I (finally!) decided to see what it meant that "Powermarks doesn't work with Firefox 3". I found that Powermarks can indeed launch a bookmarked URL in Firefox 3, but it can't load info about a page into a new bookmark--hitting my usual hotkey for "Add bookmark from browser" brings up a blank powermark.

So I fooled around with AutoHotkey for a while and came up with this kludgy, temperamental, but functional  script:

!m::
    WinActivate Firefox ; move to the Firefox window
    Clipsave = %clipboard% ; save the current clipboard contents
    Send !d^c ; copy the page's URL
    Send ^+m ; simulate the hotkey for "Add bookmark from browser"
    Sleep 200 ; wait a moment for the blank powermark to appear
    Send {Tab}^v ; move to the URL field and paste in the URL
    Sleep 1000 ; wait some more
    Send !f ; hit the Fetch button
    Sleep 1000 ; wait some more
    Send {Enter} ; hit the OK button
    Sleep 1000 ; wait some more
    Send {Tab}^+{End}{Del} ; delete the fetched keywords so I can enter my own
    clipboard = %clipsave% ; restore the previous clipboard contents
    Return

If you use this script, change line 1 to whatever hotkey you want to hit to add a new powermark, and change line 5 to send whatever hotkey you entered in the "Add bookmark from browser" field in Powermarks's hotkey options.

Using "Fetch" to fill the name only works half the time; the other half it inserts the URL. I delete the keywords that Powermarks adds because I've developed my own taxonomy.

I've been using this for about a month now. It's not ideal, but it's pretty close. In any event, it has enabled me to continue using one of the best pieces of software I've ever encountered.

Any AutoHotkey whiz reading this who can suggest improvements?

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Samer over at Freewaregenius just reviewed a new tag-based note-taking program called Tobu. It's in beta and buggy, but he's really excited about it. I don't have time to look into it but thought I'd mention it here for the benefit of those who do.

From the program's website:

Tobu is a freeform information organizer. It can be used to organize notes, todo lists, files, clips, code snips, diary entries and more or less any type of intformation that can be entered as text or stored in a file; its goal is to make very large number of items of information (hundreds of thousands or more) easily manageable, but it's also well suited to managing smaller collections of data.

Tobu revolves around tagging each item of information and using filters to create lists of items, to sort and filter them further as needed; the aim of Tobu is to avoid organizing data as it is added and instead to limit the job of adding items to describing them with tags and sortable tags (more on that below), it is only when user is looking for data it is organized on the fly by filtering tags and sorting resulting lists.

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I do wish Thunderbird had a way of deleting attachments

"Beginning with version 1.5, Thunderbird allows you to detach or delete attachments from messages."
http://kb.mozillazin...hments_(Thunderbird)

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For years, I've happily used Powermarks: http://www.kaylon.com/power.html.  This modestly priced shareware is the best bookmark manager/organizer I know.  No more dragging bookmarks to a category, no more forgetting what category you put a bookmark in. Powermarks is extremely fast, efficient, easy to use. You can use it with Netscape, Internet Explorer, Opera, Firefox, Mozilla, and/or NetCaptor; if you change browsers, you needn't worry about moving your bookmarks/favorites.  It integrates with all these browsers, I think.  I routinely use Firefox and Opera, and from time to time IE 6, and Powermarks gives me access to all my bookmarks (about 3000 of them) no matter which browser I use.  And I can find any of these 3000 bookmarks in about one second.  I love Powermarks!

Me too! I've been using Powermarks (http://www.kaylon.com/power.html) since 1999; it was the first shareware program I ever registered. I can't imagine using the internet without it.

Powermarks allows me to instantly create a bookmark and assign my own keywords (tags) to it, and to find bookmarks instantly by keyword, partial keyword, a boolean expression of keywords, or arbitrary text within the bookmark's metadata. A newly created keyword gets added on the spot to the dynamic dictionary of keywords, which is displayed down the left side of the screen.

Unfortunately, it's also the main reason I've not moved from Windows to Linux or OSX. del.icio.us doesn't begin to approach Powermarks in capability and flexibility.

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Powerdesk offers to the do the same (I took advantage of the still current $9.95 offer on version 6)

Darwin, can you please give details on that offer? Thanks!

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General Software Discussion / Re: RSS feed for updated software?
« on: August 04, 2007, 02:59 AM »
sorry, moerl, i missed that you wanted a single rss feed for all programs. web service rss mix can supposedly do this--see http://www.rssmix.com/.

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General Software Discussion / Re: RSS feed for updated software?
« on: August 03, 2007, 11:58 AM »
filehippo makes this easy. at the bottom of each page for a program there are two rss buttons, one of which is for updates on that specific program. for example, at the bottom of http://www.filehippo...download_rocketdock/ is a button linking to http://www.filehippo...load_rocketdock/rss/.

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http://www.outliners.../0/web-research--wow

Folks might be interested in taking a look at that site, http://www.outlinersoftware.com. It's a discussion forum for people "interested in outlining, PIM, and knowledge management software."

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It's a pity that there is no forum for this program.

Here's the UltraExplorer forum:
http://www.mustangpe...phpBB2/index.php?c=6

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Even though it's not the prettiest thing, I use RUNit (http://www.magister-lex.at/RUNit) because I can specify that the menu appear when I right-click on a screen border. This is much easier and faster than having to find a small icon in my crowded system tray.

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