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Best E-mail Client / Re: The Bat! (Some constructive criticism)
« on: January 31, 2006, 03:06 PM »
Allen, thank you.  You really know the program well!
Spent quite a few years in it -- it's come a long way, in terms of usability, if you can believe it.

Hmmm...I really can't find what you are talking about.  Maybe it's different for the newer versions of the Bat or something, but I can't find any popup message list, nor can I find where the view settings are that control the next/previous settings.  I see where the "view modes" are, but changing the default sorting there doesn't seem to affect how the next/previous buttons work.  I'm having such a hard time with this.  I posted this issue in the Bat forum like 3 or 4 separate times, and no one has suggested a thing.  I can't figure it out.  If you can look into it more, I'd really appreciate it.  My problem is that I'll open a message, and I know how the list is sorted (because I did it, obviously), but then I'll click next/previous, and I'll get lost because the buttons ignore my sorting method.  I mean, it shouldn't be this hard to simply go down and read messages as I've sorted them.

Ok, in my copy here clicking follow next makes it move to the next message in the message list -- next being down.  Previous makes it move to the previous, previous being up.  So if I sort chronologically by date with older messages on the top and newer messages on the bottom, pressing follow next will take me to the next message by date.  If I reverse that sort, putting new messages on top, the next message will be the older one.  The follow buttons don't actually follow date, necessarily.  They follow your message list from top to bottom and back based on your sorting order.  If you're reading the messages in folder view (click on a message in the main window and it pops up in folder view) you may not see a list of messages, instead you'll see only the message you're viewing.  To view the message list go to view -> show message list.  See if it is following the order that folder is sorted by -- if so, you can just change the order by clicking the column you want once or twice to insure it's pointing the messages in the right order.  Remember, it'll read top to bottom when you're following.  If I'm misunderstanding or not being clear, we can exchange some screenshots or something.  There's some good software for that right here on this website ;)

Of course, I'm aware of the FAQ and the forum.  I've posted there a few times already.  But it's a little inconvenient to have to search forums to find the explanations to settings and options in the program.  I really feel that the help file should cover that.  Forums are more for ideas and problems that the developers couldn't anticipate.

The help file should cover a lot of things it doesn't, but it's always been an afterthought to the developers -- and it shows.  People tend to often get frustrated with rit's development process -- at least at the end of the day, there's a good application in hand though.  As for the forum, I have no idea -- never been there.  I was actually talking about the e-mail discussion list 'TBUDL' -- which is where the real Bat geeks hang out.  Of course, if I can answer your questions I'm more than happy to--not trying to chase you there.  I'm just saying, I'm not the -best- man for the job.  I'm a little rusty, haven't used TB in a while.  Although you're making me strongly consider it again, I miss it.  You should see what you can do with the reply templates with a little regex/tweaking ;)

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Best E-mail Client / Re: The Bat! (Some constructive criticism)
« on: January 31, 2006, 07:22 AM »
The Bat really is the most powerful email client available and I'd like to do what I can to further make it the best and most complete email client available. 
It truly is.  I used it from version 1.x through early 3.x until after I lost years of e-mail and configurations that I didn't have backed up (I know, I know, backup...).  I just haven't been willing to go through trying to start from scratch, not yet anyway.  I keep my license key current just in case, though.  ;) If you're willing to spend some time learning her ins and outs, there's nearly nothing you can't do.  The documentation is clearly lacking, but The Bat! has a very active and knowledgeable e-mail discussion list -- you'd do well to check it out.  Also, you might want to repost this -- the developers do read and comment on the lists.

(1)  There are two buttons (Follow Next/Previous) and what they do is use the date of the email to go to the next/previous email in the folder.  I find this confusing because "Next" really means the next oldest, and "Previous" means the previous newest email.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I am pretty sure that is controlled by the sort order.  When you're viewing a message, you can view the message list by clicking view > message list or something to that effect.  Give you a look at how they're sorted.  I may be wrong, but I believe you can have a separate folder view setting for the main message list and for the popup message list display.  That may be why your results are somewhat unexpected? Conflicting view settings?

Hotkeys:  programs this powerful generally have a sizable amount of keyboard shortcuts (hotkeys).  The Bat is no different.  However, most of the hotkeys are preassigned and cannot be changed (except for a handful of "System" hotkeys).  I'm of the opinion, that they should allow the user to make the hotkeys fit their needs.  No big deal, but why not?

Fortunately for you, you're totally wrong on this point ;) It's not immediately obvious, but try this: Right click on your toolbar, select "customize".  Here, you can modify any of the toolbars and/or menus in TB, including the assigning of hotkeys/shortcuts.

Selective quoting in replies.  This is a feature I got used to in Pegasus.  When you reply to a message, typically the entire message gets quoted using the ">" symbol.

Actually, TB does support this.  It's in the right click context menu under Message, i think.  Should be . . . F4 to quote selected text. Maybe. I know the feature is there, anyway.

(4) The Help file:
The help file has been a source of nagging for TB users for as long as I can remember -- almost a decade.  While they've made some strides in recent years to update the help file, it still falls short.  I don't know if they'll ever catch up.   There are a few user made help sites and the mailing list -- those are what have kept the bat going -- it can be a bit daunting without a little help and those sources do help, especially for getting a handle on the more advanced features.

Here is an excellent source for TB related information, including the TBUDL mailing list.
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq.html

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fSekrit / Re: IDEA - encrypted-SFX-EXE to see secret text
« on: January 31, 2006, 05:04 AM »
Just a warning, I posted a copy of that to the 1.0 thread, which I hadn't found prior to now ;)

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fSekrit / Re: Version 1.0
« on: January 31, 2006, 05:02 AM »
fsekrit is uber-cool, man.  A couple little things I think it's missing.

1) Some sort of file > open dialog to import a text file
2) Remember window size on a per-.exe basis.  Some files are wider than others and, surely, I can't be bothered with resizing my own window ;)
3) Take a few command line parameters -- so I can launch fsekrit with the file name and text file to use as the document source already predefined.  This would make it possible to encrypt a text file on the fly using a text editor that supported external tools.

Edit: Yup, window size remembering is working nicely.  I forgot to move one of the files to 1.0

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fSekrit / Re: IDEA - encrypted-SFX-EXE to see secret text
« on: January 31, 2006, 04:52 AM »
fsekrit is uber-cool, man.  A couple little things I think it's missing.

1) Some sort of file > open dialog to import a text file
2) Remember window size on a per-.exe basis.  Some files are wider than others and, surely, I can't be bothered with resizing my own window ;)
3) Take a few command line parameters -- so I can launch fsekrit with the file name and text file to use as the document source already predefined.  This would make it possible to encrypt a text file on the fly using a text editor that supported external tools.

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