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Seedling's Software / Re: Hi Everyone / Random MixTape Maker ideas
« on: December 12, 2007, 01:51 AM »
By the way thanks for putting the save on exit option in -- that's very nice!

P.

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Seedling's Software / Re: Hi Everyone / Random MixTape Maker ideas
« on: December 12, 2007, 01:48 AM »
Hi Seedling

Just tested the new version. That was quick by the way!

I ran tests the same as before.

Keyword = 'cowboy junkies'
There's only one cowboy junkies' song in the collection.

In the Keywords section:

1) With only "Use Keywords" ticked:
Output = Playlist 180 mins, BUT no Sweet Jane by 'Cowboy Junkies'

2) With "Use Keywords Exclusively" + ID Limits ticked:
Output = Playlist 3.23 mins, BUT ONLY Sweet Jane by 'Cowboy Junkies' included

3) With "Use Keywords Exclusively" + Ignore ID Limits ticked:
Output = Playlist 3.23 mins, BUT ONLY Sweet Jane by 'Cowboy Junkies' included

4) With "Use Keywords" + "Exact Keyword Search" ticked (ID Limits greyed out):
Output = Playlist 180 mins, BUT no Sweet Jane by 'Cowboy Junkies'

I guess that's not what you wanted to hear.

FYI -- I'm using Win XP SP2, totally stable good system. Program runs fine, stable, no crashes.


thanks for the reply.

here's a little explanation of how the app works and using keywords.

a list is created

a song is randomly picked from the list

the song is then put through whatever filters the user defines


Later down the line I'm pretty certain I'll be recommending this program on GPA and Hydrogen Audio etc .. I want to be clear how it works:

From the quote above it seems as though I may have got how the program works a little backwards. I'll outline what seems to me to be the obvious way it "has to work" (if you know what I mean) - let me know if this makes sense:

Hypothetical:

All MP3s are stored in 1 directory, I'll call this the database or DB.

Program selects the "Must Have List" from the DB = MUST HAVE SELECTION (say 60 mins worth).

Then checks that this selection fulfils the "Total MB/Total Playing time" criteria (say 120 mins).

= Fine - it has 60 mins of space to fill.

Then it searches the DB on the Keyword criteria and puts these files aside as a KEYWORD SELECTION (say 120 mins worth).

Your program then applies "Time & Size", "Genre", "File Formats" and "Redundancy" filters to the DB (excluding KEYWORD & MUST HAVE SELECTIONS)

Files are then randomly pulled from the pool that fulfil this criteria and stored as a RANDOM SELECTION (120 mins of random stuff - i.e. Total Playing Time criteria).

It then randomly picks from the KEYWORD SELECTION until the remaining 60 mins are filled.

If there's any room it then goes to the RANDOM SELECTION and fills the remaining time from that pool.

Then shuffles the list.

a) Is that correct?
b) If not, does it at least make sense?

All the best - and thanks again for looking at this.

P.





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Seedling's Software / Re: Hi Everyone / Random MixTape Maker ideas
« on: December 11, 2007, 01:08 AM »
Yes, I'm using v1.8.28.77.

Just to let you know -- did another test with Use Keywords Exclusively and keyword was 'cowboy junkies' -- that worked fine but of course ignored the "Must Have" list and thus provided a playlist with only one entry namely "Sweet Jane" by the Cowboy Junkies. So clearly the keyword thing works but for some reason doesn't when combined with the other criteria.

With 180 mins predefined playlist time:
120 mins of Must Haves
leaves 60 mins for random / keyword influenced additions.
Is it possible this is causing a problem - logically it shouldn't the one song that fits the criteria is only 3 mins long.

Anyway, the reason for my interest and raising these issues/suggestions is because I think your Random MixTape Maker has the potential to be THE playlist program. I'm part of Giant Pygmy Audio (http://www.giantpygmy.net) - collectively we've researched god knows how many audio related applications - and in many fields (recording, mixing, editing etc...) there are superb applications -- however in the playlist (support) field there's a huge void - my feeling is this application will fill it and it won't take much to do so. Please take that as a big compliment.

Furthermore, I'm a big fan of standalone applications that do just one job well over those that attempt to do everything and often do many of them poorly.

I read a previous post about the excellent fooobar2000 which as you know has very many 3rd party add-ons and yet even they have not managed to extend the playlist functionality of foobar as much as your application does. I guess what I'm saying is keep up the development and improvements and keep being creative - enthusiasts like me will no doubt increase its exposure.

By the way it works really nicely with foobar2000 - I like the autolaunch element (with save options).

Another minor suggestion is this:

The option to autosave to (and thus overwrite) a default.m3u playlist (in the program's home directory) with the option to "save as ..." on closing the application.

Anyways -- keep up the excellent work.

P.









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Seedling's Software / Re: Hi Everyone / Random MixTape Maker ideas
« on: December 10, 2007, 09:44 PM »
Thanks for that -- using the new version.
Strange - as I came from the Hydrogen Audio link re. the new WavPack support and downloaded from: https://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Seedling/MixTape/index.html
And got the older version!

I have one final question regarding these Keywords:

I created a "must have list" of 120 mins approx (must have list enabled).

Time & Size: Limit play time to 180 mins, Limit Max song duration to 5 mins (everything else clear)

Genres Pop and Classical ticked

Only searching MP3s (the collection is 100% MP3)

Limit artists to 5 songs each

Keywords:

Use Keywords (ticked)
Exact keyword search (ticked)
Use ID Limits (ticked)

[everything else unticked]

Song Keywords:

1st test: cowboy junkies
2nd test: cowboy junkies,sweet jane
3rd test: cowboy junkies,sweet jane,ramones


I have only one Cowboy Junkies song and it's called "Sweet Jane" - Genre = Pop, it's less than 5 mins long - yet it's not getting picked up. Ran the other tests, and likewise for the Ramones, though again they fulfil all the criteria and none of their songs are in the must have list.

Can you help me here, it seems like I'm not getting something. It's weird for me because I often use pretty complex audio software and yet this simple looking application is defeating me.

Thanks again for replying so promptly. Your help is much appreciated!

P.

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Seedling's Software / Re: Hi Everyone / Random MixTape Maker ideas
« on: December 10, 2007, 05:13 PM »
I see so weighting is not possible.

I'm not a programmer - and from your explanation of how the app works it seems my suggestion maybe too much.

The only way I could see to impliment is would be at the "a song is randomly picked from the list" stage, because the skewing / weighting would have to be applied here.

So you skew the random list to which is then say 50% more likely to include keywords with "Love" somewhere in the meta data -- then the rest of the filter are applied.

That would still achieve the weighting. How you do this mathematically/programming-wise I don't know. If I find out I'll let you know.

Anyway --- the other thing I wanted to check was the version:
I'm using 1.06.68

I can't see the Keyword options that you refer to. All I have is:

Use ID Limits/Ignore ID Limits
Use Keywords
Use Keywords Exclusively
Exact Keyword Search


How do these option relate to:


"there are two keywording options:

1) song keywords: which will check both artist + title (from any tag present) AND filename (in case the song isn't tagged)
2) lyrics keywords: which, if present, will check the lyrics for any keywords defined."

Sorry if I'm being a bit daft here, but I haven't managed to get the keyword search to influence results --- so I'm clearly doing something wrong. MP3's are all ID3 v1 and v2 tagged.

Thanks for your quick reply and for considering the idea.

P.

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