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patteo wrote a fantastic mini-review of FinePrint (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=6519.0), but was wondering if anyone is using Pelikan Software's priPrinter (http://www.priprinter.com/) and what their thoughts are?
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Looks impressive with some features not shared with either ClickBook or Fineprint (like re-arranging pages by dragging them around the preview with the mouse :Thmbsup:) and the price is good as well (25.95 Euros = $40 CDN. vs. $49.95 for Fineprint). I'd be interested in hearing from any users as well.
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Being able to print pages into image files is something I use more and more these days.
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I have used FinePrint as my default printer for the past six years and I have been very pleased with the program. Having said that, however, I heard of priPrinter on the FileForum site and decided to take a look at it. I have used priPrinter as my default printer for the past two weeks and although I have certainly not explored all of its features, I am very impressed with this program. I am so impressed, in fact, that I took the plunge and purchased a license. One thing that sold me on this decision was the fact that I was having trouble printing a MS Publisher document and a MS Word document. In both instances the document contained graphics that were showing up in priPrinter either upside down or reversed. I contacted the developer about this. He promptly replied to my e-mail and in a few short hours the problem was resolved. That sort of attention to a consumer concern is quite impressive.
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Thanks for reporting on your experiences, mwfuss :Thmbsup: I'm definitely going to have to check priPrinter out...
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I agree, can't beat these tools that have great support from their developers, one of the reasons why I use certain tools over others which never get updated.
I think FinePrint 6 has taken a major backward step with it's "new toolbar", the icons look like something from Windows 3.1!!! It was much faster having textual buttons along the bottom like v5 had.
PriPrinter may be getting more customers I feel... :)
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Looks like a really nice program. The interface seems less clunky and more responsive than FinePrint 5, and I can't see the point of upgrading to FP 6.
How to set up booklet printing, multiple pages to a single sheet and landscape orientation took a bit of finding but only because they are so obvious!!
I have been using FP 5 for a long time now and been happy with it but I am tempted to buy a license for priPrinter - anyone fancy chasing a discount?
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+1 on the discount idea...
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I'm playing with the trial now... WOW! I love the interface. I haven't figured out how to move pages around but have hardly scratched the surface. The real litmus test for me is printing powerpoints, I'll try that tonight when I get back from work. First great thing I've found: you can determine how many pages to print per page just like you select columns in word. Very flexible. Don't know if I'd actually USE that feature, but it is a night touch.
More later...
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+2 on the discount idea!
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Yeah a discount would be good, it looks good
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Discount sounds great!
Did you all see the v1.5 beta link on their main page?
http://www.priprinter.com/beta.htm
Just select 3D mode and view your jobs in 3D. All functionality is available in 3D.
It can be difficult to imagine how your document will look like. priPrinter introduces 3D print preview, which make preview easier. When 3D is selected you may turn over the pages, and do same things as in 2D: select pages and text, adjust margins and gutters, crop pages and change layout.
(http://www.priprinter.com/img/beta_ss01.jpg)
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Whoa!
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Whoa is right! That's pretty cool (though I must confess to not really seeing myself needing/using the feature... I do recognise, though, that it would be handy if I printed booklets) :Thmbsup:
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I'm testing priPrinter right now. It is excellent so far! Nice find zridling :Thmbsup: Great that FinePrint finally gets a worthy competitor!
Advantages compared to Fineprint
- allows printing 3 pages to a sheet
(3 maximum cropped pages * doublesided = 6 pages per paper sheet = still readable in most cases and enormously paper-saving)
- allow customized cropping for each page
Disadvantages compared to Fineprint:
- lacks a range of quickly choosen and increasingly more aggressive autocrop modes (fineprints has "margins: none, small, medium, large, original"). A maximum crop mode is especially important to have.
- can't insert pagenumber on each page (not just on each sheet)
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I'm testing priPrinter right now. It is excellent so far! Nice find zridling :Thmbsup: Great that FinePrint finally gets a worthy competitor!-Nod5
Have you also looked at Clickbook (http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/clickbook/) from Bluesquirrel?
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+3 on the discount.
I have FP6 at home and 5-something at work. Not thrilled with version 6, but anything is better than file|print. I wonder if it will be available for U3 so I can use it both places w/1 purchase.
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I'm testing priPrinter right now. It is excellent so far! Nice find zridling :Thmbsup: Great that FinePrint finally gets a worthy competitor!-Nod5
Have you also looked at Clickbook (http://www.bluesquirrel.com/products/clickbook/) from Bluesquirrel?
-Darwin
I tried it ages ago and quite liked the program. My problem was that it doesn't play nicely with all printers. Mine has automatic duplex (which is really handy) but Clickbook couldn't support it and their tech support gave up. Works fine with FP and priPrinter.
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Is there no way to force preview window to display automatically immediately after printing to priPrinter?!
I have this checkbox ticked but it does not seem to make a difference:
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Strange, nod5. Those settings work fine on my end on both the machines that I installed the trial on (one's XP Pro Sp-3 and the other Vista Home Premium Sp-1) - that is, the job is automatically previewed.
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I deinstalled 1.2.1.579 and instead installed the 1.5 beta and now I get the preview window. :Thmbsup:
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I have FP6 at home and 5-something at work. Not thrilled with version 6, but anything is better than file|print. I wonder if it will be available for U3 so I can use it both places w/1 purchase.
-Padlock6
You already can - from the FinePrint FAQ (http://www.fineprint.com/support/faqs.html):
Can I use the software on my laptop and my desktop without purchasing again?
Yes, you can. The license allows you to use the software on multiple computers as long as they are not simultaneously used.
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I always like to MAXMIZE the PriPrinter preview when it appears as I find the default size way too small. An option to always open maximized would be very useful.
Yes I realise there is an F11 full-screen view but I find this less useful, as you first need to press F11 when you get the tiny preview window and using it full-screen without the toolbars isn't too useful in this case I don't feel.
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Fedorov, which version are you using? The 1.5 beta starts with the same window size it had last time it was closed on my computer. Is that enough? Or do you request that even if the window was de-maximized last time it was open it should still open maximized next time?
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I think to preview pages properly you should make full use of your screen so to me it makes sense to always have the preview start maxmized. Just my opinion.
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Fedorov, which version are you using? The 1.5 beta starts with the same window size it had last time it was closed on my computer. Is that enough? Or do you request that even if the window was de-maximized last time it was open it should still open maximized next time?
-Nod5
I'm using the latest stable release (ie, not the beta) and this works for me as well - if I maximize the priPrinter window and close it, it opens maximized from then on... As for the preview pane itself, it would be nice to be able to have it shown "fit to view" or something like that as each time I run it the view defaults to 66%. Actually, looking at it, I think this is a bug because the indicator is to the left of the middle of the slider, which by my reckoning means "less than 50%". Just an observation... The mid=point is 100%; moving the slider all the way to the right is 500%...
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Here's another quirk with priPrinter (1.5 beta): in the left column it displays thumbnails of all pages in each printjob. Now, if I print job1 and, without closing the preview window, print job2, then the two jobs are both displayed in that column. If I then click the "previous arrow" at the bottom of the column then priPrinter jumps to the previous printjob. If I then click the "next arrow" I go back to the current printjob. Only now they are separated so that I first see job2 and have to click again to see (only) job1. That's confusing. What's more confusing, the next/previous buttons loop around so pressing "next" while displaying the most recent printjob jumps to the oldest previous printjob.
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As much as I like priPrinter, I'm going to stick with Fineprint 6. I already own a license and it does everything I need it to... If I didn't already have a license for this kind of application, I'd be looking very seriously at priPrinter.
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If I didn't already have a license for this kind of application, I'd be looking very seriously at ...-Darwin
Is it the credit crunch bringing on this newfound restraint ??? :-\ ;) ;)
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Heh, heh, no... more a growing sense of fiscal responsibility, coupled with the fact that I also already own a license for Clickbook 11 that I'm not using as well :o
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One more feature note: Both FinePrint and priPrinter allow removing graphics. But neither allows removing graphics from individual pages. I hoped priPrinter would be able to do that since it already allows custom cropping for individual pages. I hope they add it. Or even better: add a way for users to cover any choosen part of a page by drawing a white rectangular box on top of it.
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Heh, heh, no... more a growing sense of fiscal responsibility, coupled with the fact that I also already own a license for Clickbook 11 that I'm not using as well :o
-Darwin
Whoever has kidnapped the real Darwin should return him now! no questions asked, no ransoms will be paid though!
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I'm being even more frugal - I am going to stick with FP 5 unless we can either get a large discount on priPrinter or a very cheap rival product upgrade (and I sent ClickBook back for a refund - it was the first one I tried).
Maybe I'll drop priPrinter an email ....
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PriPrinter :Thmbsup:
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Perhaps someone here can help. I looked at priPrinter and was initially thinking of a purchase. Then I tried to print a booklet on my Brother 4050 duplexing laser. The page imposition on the printout was wacko.
I looked for a solution in the interface, and the help, and the website. I couldn't find anything. (FinePrint has a wizard to work through this type of issue). I tried their support, said to be available to evaluators. They never answered.
Does anyone know how to set this up so booklet pages print in the correct order and orientation?
I also have a non-duplexing Epson inkjet. I don't know where to begin getting correct booklet output from this one.
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I've been a long-time user of FinePrint and I'm happy with it but following the glowing comments about priPrinter, I thought I'd give it a try.
Unfortunately, my experiences differ from the positive reports here. The beta version just wouldn't run at all, hanging the prog when invoking a print job (this on a recently reinstalled system running XP SP3 with 1mb RAM). Uninstalling the beta and running the production version was not much better. Sloooow performance - and I've found it impossible to paginate a booklet to print in the correct order on an HP Deskjet and Kyocera laser.
Printing web page graphics seems a major issue with this release. Either they don't appear at all on the print preview or they are replaced with a strange solid black banner type box. Switching back to FinePrint, these anomalies disappear. This might be an issue with Opera, however.
So, priPrinter uninstalled and solidly backto FinePrint.
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priPrinter 1.5.0.585 BETA 2 (22 October 2008)
http://www.priprinter.com/beta.htm
Beta change log:
1.5.0.585
Improvements in double sided printing. Related to printers with auto duplex mode and to ordinary printers.
"Insert picture" command is added.
Added ability to print number of source page.
German translation is available.
Many improvements related to watermarks, page numbers, and custom text.
Many other small fixes and optimizations.
It keeps getting better :Thmbsup:
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What would you say today to priPrinter? Any new testimonials? :)
Please note there is an discount at BDJ in an week:
Deal Price: $19.71
You Save: 51%
List Price: $39.43
Deal Available: 20 JAN ’10 WEDNESDAY
http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/priprinter/
20 US$ = 13,80167 Euro (13.01.2010)
News
4 January 2010 priPrinter 3 BETA is available for preview
25 September 2009 2.5.1.852 is available.
# Registration key is valid for both 32 and 64 bit versions!
# One registered copy of the SOFTWARE (Personal License)
may either be used by a single person who uses the SOFTWARE personally on one or more computers,
or installed on a single workstation used non-simultaneously by multiple people, but not both.
-vendor
http://www.priprinter.com/order.htm
Do anyone know how is the upgrade policy? Lifetime or not?
EDIT: found it
What is your Upgrade policy?
All bug fixes and minor updates are always free.
Upgrade from one major release to next one is free as well.
It means that owners of priPrinter 2.X will be able to use priPrinter 3.X for free.-vendor
http://www.priprinter.com/FAQ.htm#upgrade_policy
BTW: even cheaper:
There is also the now freeware iPrint (internal link) (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=21101.0)
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I think priPrinter (http://www.priprinter.com/) should also be mentioned here. I find it nicer than FinePrint, mostly because cropping is very convenient with it. It is a bit expensive (like FinePrint), but the banner of the unregistered version is unobtrusive enough that I'm using it all the time for personal printing. On the other hand, I'm using an old version, and living in fear that new versions will make the banner larger...
-ilyag
mentioned in another thread lately ...
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Currently priprinter's upgrade policy is better than FinePrint.
As it stands priprinter lets you upgrade to version 3 from versions 1 and 2 at no charge. You only pay to upgrade to the Pro version which adds a couple of extra features (direct PDF generation and text redaction/high-lighting). Fineprint is pay up on every version number change and the updates aren't cheap.
They also have a nice user policy - as a single user you can install it on every machine that you use provided other users don't use it. Fineprint is one PC only (IIRC).
Both great program - I have both on my system but never paid to upgrade to the latest version of FinePrint and now find myself using priprinter all the time. For me priprinter has the edge on interface, good looks and isn't as buggy as the version of FinePrint I have installed - plus it is updated quite regularly.
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Thanks for the info, AbteriX. ;-)
With today's 50% discount and upgradeable to 3.x (and 4.x?) PriPrinter is a real bargain.
Pelikan Software KFT Developer Aron Torti (Pelikan Software KFT Developer) Says:
- License is for v2, v3 Standard and for next one.
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- priPrinter does more than FinePrint . At least we think so.
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Thanks for the reminder wr975
this one always gets me
Ordering if you use a free e-mail address
E-mail addresses from free e-mail providers such as hotmail.com or yahoo.com are not accepted for online orders placed with credit and/or debit cards.
Though we are aware that both Hotmail and Yahoo offer fee-based accounts, we cannot distinguish between free and fee-based accounts. If you only have a free e-mail account, please select cash, check or wire transfer as your payment type; free e-mail addresses are accepted for those payment types. Alternatively, you can place your order via fax for manual processing. However, since online orders are processed automatically, they take less time than fax orders.
my emphasis
payment company is shareit.com - I guess they do it for security, but they must lose *so much* business because of it...
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Not to mention Gmail. There must be something wrong with either Shareit or Gmail. 2010 and Gmail is no good? If I knew anything about payment security I would say they are trying to cover up own faults or weakness.
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With today's 50% discount and upgradeable to 3.x PriPrinter is a real bargain.
-wr975
- is it?? €65 for the option to edit the text before printing!!!
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I've looked through the developer's website (priPrinter) and cannot find any mention anywhere of a Pro version.
@Curt: when I visit Bits Du Jour I get offered a 51% discount, from $39.43 to $19.71:
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payment type; free e-mail addresses are accepted for those payment types. Alternatively, you can place your order via fax for manual processing. However, since online orders are processed automatically, they take less time than fax orders.
my emphasis
payment company is shareit.com - I guess they do it for security, but they must lose *so much* business because of it...
-tomos
This always gets me, too. Perhaps you are meant to remove "are" from the web address?
EDIT: fixed quote formatting
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I've looked through the developer's website (priPrinter) and cannot find any mention anywhere of a Pro version.
-Darwin
Version 3 is available in tow versions, including a Pro version.
Currently it is in beta and the version 3 download IS the Pro version but once it is released you will have to upgrade to keep the Pro features.
See http://www.priprinter.com/beta.htm
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Ouch!
Professional Edition
priPrinter 3 comes in two variations - a Professional Edition and a Standard Edition and are available for 64.95 Euro and 24.95 Euro respectively.
The Professional Edition of priPrinter 3.0 includes all of the functionality of the Standard Edition with the following additional features:
* PDF output directly from priPrinter application.
* Text redaction, highlighting, coloring and deletion.
Thanks for clarifyling that, Carol :Thmbsup: I had visited the beta page before, but hadn't scrolled down far enough.
EDIT: PS Ouch again! To upgrade to the Pro version will cost (gasp!) 40 euros!
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EDIT: PS Ouch again! To upgrade to the Pro version will cost (gasp!) 40 euros!
-Darwin
Edited:
- that is, to upgrade to version 3 Pro Final.
Version 3 Pro BETA seems to actualy be FREE if you have version 2 Standard:
priPrinter Upgrade policy
Upgrade from 1.X, 2.X to 3.0 Standard edition is free. Upgrade to Professional Edition will be available for 40 Euro.
Current Professional Edition does not require professional license, all existing customers are able to use it without restrictions.
- so I am off to download this "freebie" :-)
If you have priPrinter 2.X installed, just install priPrinter 3.0. Want to revert back to priPrinter 2.X, uninstall priPrinter 3.0 first.
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Hmm... interesting, Curt. I wonder if "current" means "beta" and that if you find you want the Pro version of 3 when it goes live that you'll also find that you have to pay that 40 Euro premium?? I have licenses for FP 6 and for Clickbook 12... I don't know why I even care about any of this...
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- sure, they are "clever": keep version 3 Pro Beta and get used to it so you simply will "need" to upgrade to the final Pro because your program has "auto' search for updates" as default and you don't want to keep version 2 (Standard) just to keep Pro Beta when you can have version 3, do you? ;-)
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- is it?? €65 for the option to edit the text before printing!!!
Including Austria VAT I paid about € 15 for the standard version.
- sure, they are "clever": keep version 3 Pro Beta and get used to it so you simply will "need" to upgrade to the final Pro because your program has "auto' search for updates" as default
You're acting like the "standard" version is a crippled light version of the software and everyone has to upgrade to the pro version.
Here are the differences:
The Professional Edition of priPrinter 3.0 includes all of the functionality of the Standard Edition with the following additional features:
* PDF output directly from priPrinter application.
* Text redaction, highlighting, coloring and deletion.
Also, nobody is forcing you to install the "3.0 preview" version. Just go for the stable 2.5x and you'll never know what you're going to miss.
IMHO, 3.0b is open for all users, because there are no "pro licenses" out yet. Once it's relased you can decide to install 3.0 standard or 3.0 Professional (+upgrade).
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I think when Pro licenses become available there will be one installer which is the Pro version. The Pro features will be in trial mode with a standard license.
40 Euros does seem a bit steep for fairly limited extra functionality but I'd guess this is a fundraising exercise more than anything else. They haven't charged for upgrades for existing users and so I'd guess they are trying to encourage existing users to upgrade to the Pro version.
Having said that the PDF generation works well (actually quicker than Adobe Acrobat as a printer driver) but is hardly worth the price when you can get PDF writers for free and use them within priPrinter.
The other pro feature(s) amount to a single highlighter as far as I can tell. Redaction is just highlighting with black (so it is the same as highlighting with any other colour). Also in the standard version you can use cut to remove anything you want before printing so deleting text is not really necessary however the new select and delete text is much quicker and neater. Having said that it would be really nice if the deleted text didn't simply leave a blank space but rather edited the text to move up subsequent text to make it seamless.
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Demo, no "PRO"; they were merely playing with the meaning of the words...
Edited: I was wrong, see next post.
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Yes it says that but try the Pro features and you will find they all work as they should. At the moment there are no Pro licenses to buy and the Beta has ALL features (standard and Pro) active. Presumably when the full release comes the Standard edition will have the Pro features dropped back into demo only mode - but it isn't the case at the moment.
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Here is another varation of this type of utility:
CleverPrint (http://www.abelssoft.net/cleverprint.php)
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Here is another varation of this type of utility:
CleverPrint (http://www.abelssoft.net/cleverprint.php)
-brahman
Hmm... very clever!
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€40 :(
including VAT
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priPrinter is on BDJ (http://www.bitsdujour.com/software/priprinter/) again next week (Thursday Sept 23 -- $17.47 for standard version).
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-fine offer, the Bits du Jour's, but I really want the pro version to be discounted. I have not used PriPrinter Standard a single time since I installed Readability (for Firefox) and Nitro PDF Pro (with print-to-pdf). But still, even the Readability-created pages can look a little better if handled by PriPrinter. But then it all becomes a long and winding road; first clicking Readability, then re-arranging in PriPrinter, and finally sending it to Nitro, to save it as PDF (Nitro can't arrange the pages as nice as Readability or PriPrinter).
So I was checking up on PriPrinter, because it was just updated to version 3.something. The price reminded me why I still merely have a license for the Standard version, but I also remembered that no-one here has told if they have a PRO key, and if they think it is worth the extra money. Please?
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The Pro version is useful if you use the added features. Even though I have Adobe Acrobat 9.0 Pro installed I still find priPrinter more convenient for PDF generation and the quality seems to be just as good to me.
I also use the highlighting and redaction features.
PriPrinter isn't prefect but I prefer it to the other pseudo-printer apps that I have tried (including FinePrint). As you have already said it is also updated pretty frequently and once you have bought a version upgrades to that version are included.
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-thanks, Carol.
Now I just need some rebate. But to my memory he has only discounted the Standard version, never the Pro version, so I guess I need to first make some more money...
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I bought the standard version when it was last on BDJ and later upgraded to the pro version, after testing it for PDF printing. I don't have a recent version of Acrobat Pro and had been using V.6 until I moved to Win 7, which it will not run on. I found the PDF output from priPrinter to be superior to any of the other pdf print drivers I have used, other than Acrobat itself. I have also found the developer to be very responsive to questions and suggestions.
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14 April 2011
priPrinter 4.0 BETA is available!
-so, I guess we soon will see a discounted offer for vers. 3, or maybe even for vers. 4?
Just MAYBE he will accept to also make DC-members an offer for the PRO version??
:tellme:
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If priPrinter lives up to form version 4 will be a free upgrade from version 3 - in which case don't hold your breath for discounts!
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If priPrinter lives up to form version 4 will be a free upgrade from version 3 - in which case don't hold your breath for discounts!
-Carol Haynes
The priPrinter site states that "Upgrade is still free !"
I would guess that the pro version uses non-royalty-free code, which would account for the substantial additional cost and lack of discounts.
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Hi,
Priprinter has a forum, too.
http://forum.priprinter.com/index.php
Not superactive, but a nice plus.
It is true that one advantage of Fineprint is that it does less, and is simply so efficient on the basics.
It is "comfy".
Neither company has done much on discounts and such. Whichever one does Bits first will probably
get a good number of new customers. Bits du Jour has only done Greenprint, afaik, in 2008, with little chatter.
Clickbook looks like it wants to be a Print-Everything type program, which we would usually do with a dedicated program, or programs.
Steven