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Title: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 12:06 PM

hello!

how can I easily type the pound symbol in my american laptop?

I tried to hold down ALT and type the numbers, but nothing happened

thanks!

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: skwire on April 15, 2015, 12:14 PM

I tried to hold down ALT and type the numbers, but nothing happened

-kalos (April 15, 2015, 12:06 PM)

Alt-0163 is the keycode but I'm going to guess that, since you mentioned laptop, the problem is that you have to use the number keypad when entering the numerals.  That is, the number keys above the letters won't work.  You should be able to overcome this with a simple AHK script:

[Select]

^1:: Send, £ ; Use Ctrl+1 to send the pound symbol.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: f0dder on April 15, 2015, 12:17 PM

It's not part of the standard US keymap, so you'll need to do alt+scancode, or use the windows key remapping feature.

Or, change to the "United States - international" map, and press altgr+shift+4.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 12:23 PM

>> Or, change to the "United States - international" map, and press altgr+shift+4.

this sounds a good solution, is it a setting in Windows 8.1?
and what you mean by altgr?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: wraith808 on April 15, 2015, 12:26 PM

>> Or, change to the "United States - international" map, and press altgr+shift+4.

this sounds a good solution, is it a setting in Windows 8.1?
and what you mean by altgr?

-kalos (April 15, 2015, 12:23 PM)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: skwire on April 15, 2015, 12:29 PM

He mentioned this is an American laptop so I'm doubtful it has an AltGr key.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: f0dder on April 15, 2015, 12:31 PM

He mentioned this is an American laptop so I'm doubtful it has an AltGr key.

-skwire (April 15, 2015, 12:29 PM)

Ah, "right alt" probably works in that case.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 12:32 PM

it only has Alt keys, aren't these ones okay?
ok, will check with right Alt
but how do I change the map?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 15, 2015, 01:08 PM

The button that is next to the big SPACE -button, on the right side, is called "Alt Gr". Press it together with "3": £

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 01:15 PM

it doesn't work :(

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: f0dder on April 15, 2015, 01:25 PM

it doesn't work :(

-kalos (April 15, 2015, 01:15 PM)

For it to work, you need to use "United States - International" and not the plain-Jane US layout. If you're in doubt how to change the layout, check this link (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=windows+change+keyboard+layout).

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 01:27 PM

can I use the United Kingdom one?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 01:29 PM

I did change it to US International but it still doesn't work (RAlt+3)

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 01:30 PM

right alt+4 types € though! (with any keyboard I chose, US normal, US International, UK)

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 01:31 PM

ralt+shift+4 does nothing

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: f0dder on April 15, 2015, 01:45 PM

ralt+shift+4 does nothing

-kalos (April 15, 2015, 01:31 PM)

Try adding in a ctrl, since ctrl+alt == altgr. Works for me on win7.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 01:56 PM

I tried with ctrl+alt and it types these:

¡²³¤€¼½¾‘’¥×¶´¿ç´¿¬»«öóíúüþ®éåäáßðø¶

no pound symbol!

is it a matter of locale or something?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: tomos on April 15, 2015, 02:16 PM

Did you try skwire's AHK script?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 02:21 PM

I wouldn't like to resolve to ahk, but if nothing can be done, I will use it

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: f0dder on April 15, 2015, 02:23 PM

You need Ctrl+RightAlt+Shift.

If that doesn't work, you'll probably need to look at keyboard remapping. Windows has native support for doing that (since win2k, I believe?), but no user interface. You can find a 3rd-party tool that sets up the necessary registry keys - it's been years since I used such a tool, though, so can't remember which one I used.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: phitsc on April 15, 2015, 02:49 PM

Or you make your own keyboard layout: The Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator (https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/goglobal/bb964665.aspx). Used it just recently to resurrect some dead keys :D

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 15, 2015, 04:58 PM

Ctrl+Alt+3 also gives me £

Is the laptop quite old?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 05:00 PM

no! it's Lenovo Yoga, the first edition, a couple of years old

Ctrl+Alt+3 gives me ³

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: tomos on April 15, 2015, 05:16 PM

[...] a simple AHK script:

[Select]

^1:: Send, £ ; Use Ctrl+1 to send the pound symbol.

-skwire (April 15, 2015, 12:14 PM)

added this to my AHK file, thanks :up:
works fine on a qwertz (german) laptop keyboard with Win.8.1



EDIT// forgot to say - (this looks like a site problem - or maybe a PaleMoon problem):-
when I click "copy or print" in the code box it opens pop-up which shows an "Â" before the pound symbol - oddly it shows properly if I click "copy or print" when previewing post

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 15, 2015, 05:21 PM

[...] a simple AHK script:

[Select]

^1:: Send, £ ; Use Ctrl+1 to send the pound symbol.

-skwire (April 15, 2015, 12:14 PM)

added this to my AHK file, thanks :up:
works fine on a qwertz (german) laptop keyboard with Win.8.1

-tomos (April 15, 2015, 05:16 PM)

I added it too to my AHK, but it doesn't work  :tellme: :tellme: :tellme:

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: tomos on April 15, 2015, 05:24 PM

[...] a simple AHK script:

[Select]

^1:: Send, £ ; Use Ctrl+1 to send the pound symbol.

-skwire (April 15, 2015, 12:14 PM)

added this to my AHK file, thanks :up:
works fine on a qwertz (german) laptop keyboard with Win.8.1

-tomos (April 15, 2015, 05:16 PM)

I added it too to my AHK, but it doesn't work  :tellme: :tellme: :tellme:

-kalos (April 15, 2015, 05:21 PM)

I think they've stolen the pound symbol from your laptop Kalos :P
would be interesting to see if it (or any of the other solutions) work on other US hardware

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: cyberdiva on April 15, 2015, 05:57 PM

In the past, when I've used a laptop or a netbook, there were keys in the middle of the keyboard that could be used as a number keypad if paired with  the laptop or netbook's Function (Fn) key.  For example, on my old Toshiba netbook, Fn+M = the keypad's 0, Fn+J=1, Fn+K=2, Fn+L=3, Fn+U=4, Fn+I=5, Fn+O=6, Fn+7=7, Fn+8=8, Fn+9=9.  And so if I then hold down the ALT key and then Fn+m, Fn+j, Fn+o, and Fn+l, that would be the equivalent of ALT+0163 and it would produce a £ .  Frankly, I found this a PITA, but it did work without my having to change the keyboard.  However, I confess that the last time I bought a laptop, I made sure it had a regular numeric keypad, since I type a fair amount in Spanish and want to be able to use the numeric keypad to type characters like ñ, é, ¿, etc.  However, if all you need is a very occasional £, it might be worth giving the Fn key method a try, assuming your laptop has one.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: ayryq on April 15, 2015, 07:19 PM

I used to use Linux; the version I used had a nifty system of using a hotkey (right Alt, perhaps) followed by a sensible sequence to make a special character. For example the sequence Alt, "-", "-", "-" creates an em-dash (" — "). Or alt, "e", " ' " gives an "é"

I missed this setup moving to windows. I can intuitively guess e + '  but I can't guess Alt+0233.

I found a program called "WinCompose" that lets me get this function back. It used to run on AHK but I guess it doesn't anymore.

By default for £ I enter L (or "l") and dash "-", or backwards (dash first) works too. I have it set to use the windows "Menu" key next to right-ctrl on my keyboard.

Most of the special characters I need work without me looking them up, after noting a few rules (ö is o + double quotes, â uses the greater-than sign OR the caret), but there is a dictionary available in the system tray at any time.

WinCompose's last update was a couple weeks ago.

https://github.com/SamHocevar/wincompose

Edit: This is confusing to explain with all the quotes. To quote the website, "A compose key allows to easily write special characters such as é ž à ō û ø ☺ ¤ ∅ « ♯ ⸘ Ⓚ ㊷ ♪ ♬ using short and often very intuitive key combinations. For instance, ö is obtained using o + ", and ♥ is obtained using < + 3."

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: TaoPhoenix on April 15, 2015, 10:20 PM

...
£

-Curt (April 15, 2015, 01:08 PM)

Okay ...

(Cheesy music!)
Low-Tek Bird has a suggestion!
Why not just copy and paste it from a text file? I've kept a text file of "widgets" before for this kind of stuff.
Since Curt gave you one, instead of all these complex things (and most of them didn't work for me either!), just save Curt's to a text file of "widgets" and just copy it!

£ for £ it is the fastest way for me!

Let's make some emoticons!    £: )
(Guy in a Roman Centurion hat?)

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 16, 2015, 01:58 AM

AltGr+163 also gives me £  :up:

Actually Windows Character Map is saying Alt+163. But I guess that would be on a normal PC, because on my laptop I have to use AltGr instead.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: tomos on April 16, 2015, 02:45 AM

There used be a nice FARR plugin for this kind of thing: Character Table - but it got packaged with a bunch of other aliases/plugins that havent been supported in a couple of years (CZB pack).

If of interest, see
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=12173.0
and this and following posts:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=17153.msg270834#msg270834

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 16, 2015, 07:26 AM

AltGr+163 also gives me £  :up:
Actually Windows Character Map is saying Alt+163. But I guess that would be on a normal PC, because on my laptop I have to use AltGr instead.

-Curt (April 16, 2015, 01:58 AM)

-hey, kalos, this means you can use Ctrl+Alt+163 = £  :up:

You simply have to remember the number 163  ;)

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 16, 2015, 12:30 PM

CTRL+RALT+163 types: ¡¼³

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 16, 2015, 03:04 PM

throw that stupid machine into the bin!  :down:

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: tomos on April 16, 2015, 03:51 PM

The
Alt 0163 using the numberpad works on this laptop.
Alt 163 give me a "ú"
None of the other Letter/Number combos work here.


[I guess if I didnt have a numberpad, I'd have to throw out mine too Curt :)]

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: xtabber on April 16, 2015, 05:28 PM

I keep a cheat sheet of symbols and foreign characters that I frequently need in a text file.  When I need one of those characters,  I copy from that sheet and paste into whatever I am writing.

You can also use the Windows Character Map program, which includes the GBP character (£) and most anything else you are likely to need on any Western keyboard.  Character Map used to be in the Accessories group in the Start Menu, but disappeared in Windows 7.  However, it is still included with Windows and you can call it up by typing "Character Map" (without the quotes) in the Start Menu search box.  It's a little clunky, but it works.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: TaoPhoenix on April 16, 2015, 11:09 PM

I keep a cheat sheet of symbols and foreign characters that I frequently need in a text file.  When I need one of those characters,  I copy from that sheet and paste into whatever I am writing.

-xtabber (April 16, 2015, 05:28 PM)

<--- sneaks a copy of xtabber's cheat sheet!

 ;D

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: lanux128 on April 17, 2015, 12:27 AM

you can bookmark this page (http://panmental.de/symbols/info.htm) for future reference.

(http://i.imgur.com/54jRFQC.png) (http://panmental.de/symbols/info.htm)

• http://panmental.de/symbols/info.htm

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 17, 2015, 12:55 AM

you can bookmark this page (http://panmental.de/symbols/info.htm) for future reference. • http://panmental.de/symbols/info.htm

-lanux128 (April 17, 2015, 12:27 AM)

☑ ✪ ♥ ✓

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: f0dder on April 17, 2015, 03:21 AM

CTRL+RALT+163 types: ¡¼³

-kalos (April 16, 2015, 12:30 PM)

Did you try Ctrl+RightAlt+Shift+3?

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on April 17, 2015, 11:50 AM

CTRL+RALT+163 types: ¡¼³

-kalos (April 16, 2015, 12:30 PM)

Did you try Ctrl+RightAlt+Shift+3?

-f0dder (April 17, 2015, 03:21 AM)

I tried Ctrl+Alt+Shift+4 and it worked!!!!!

£££££££!!!!

 :tellme: :tellme: :tellme:

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 17, 2015, 12:51 PM

-congratulation!  :up:


But I still think you should throw it away!  ;D
 8)

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: 4wd on April 17, 2015, 09:01 PM

Character Map used to be in the Accessories group in the Start Menu, but disappeared in Windows 7.

-xtabber (April 16, 2015, 05:28 PM)

IIRC, it got moved to Windows System menu group, (or something similar).

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: Curt on April 18, 2015, 02:10 AM

%windir%\system32\charmap.exe


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Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: kalos on June 10, 2015, 04:28 PM

I can't believe it, but the hotkey Ctrl+Alt+Shift+4 that displayed the pound symbol doesn't work anymore!

I even disabled my AHK script, but it doesn't work either!

 :o :o :o

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on June 10, 2015, 04:34 PM

Character Map used to be in the Accessories group in the Start Menu, but disappeared in Windows 7.

-xtabber (April 16, 2015, 05:28 PM)

IIRC, it got moved to Windows System menu group, (or something similar).

-4wd (April 17, 2015, 09:01 PM)

You can also just type "charmap" (without quotes) into "Run" and it will open.

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: SomebodySmart on June 13, 2015, 01:29 PM

My laptop has blue numbers on some of the letter keys.

I hold down ALT and the blue Fn key and the letters marked 0163 and I get this:
£

That is, Alt+Fn+mjol

The letters are 0=M, 1=J, 2=K, 3=L, 4=U, 5=I, 6=O, 7=7, 8=8, 9=9, /=0, *=P, -=;, .=., +=/

If you're writing a HTML page it's ampersand, tic-tac-toe, 163 semicolon.

For more see my page at http://easiest-website.com/special.html

hello!

how can I easily type the pound symbol in my american laptop?

I tried to hold down ALT and type the numbers, but nothing happened

thanks!

-kalos (April 15, 2015, 12:06 PM)

Title: Re: pound symbol
Post by: KynloStephen66515 on June 13, 2015, 07:36 PM

If you're writing a HTML page it's ampersand, tic-tac-toe, 163 semicolon.

-SomebodySmart (June 13, 2015, 01:29 PM)

tic-tac-toe....this is exactly how I am going to refer to the hash key from now on!