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Title: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 08:08 AM
WEB PAGE: https://www.donationcoder.com/software/mouser/popular-apps/mousers-media-browser

This will be a small utility for browsing directories containing images.

I decided to make a standalone utility that could be used as a helper for other tools, like my other NANY (Automatic Screenshotter (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=42090.0)).

It will start out with a fairly simple feature set but there is plenty of room for improvement.

Key feature:

Note that there are excellent powerful free image viewers/browsers (irfanview, xnview, etc.), and it would be foolish to try to compete with these.  My aim here is to make a more streamlined, focus helper utility.

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v2.0.1 - Dec 30, 2019

v1.01.1 - December 29, 2015




Originally released as part of NANY 2016, see here: https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=42114.0
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 11, 2019, 08:41 AM
Just after installing this (well, portable version) on my laptop (I did try it on my desktop, but a long time ago).
Cancel scan works, but recursive reading is very impressive:
it showed thumbnails quite quickly for a folder with almost five thousand files in a dozen or so sub-directories.

Where it is slow is deleting files: I ticked the option to not show the confirmation dialogue, and it's still very slow -- takes about five seconds.
I think it would be nice if the focus went to the next file when one is deleted (but not sure would everyone want that/if possible)
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 11, 2019, 08:56 AM
Twice so far it has shown the wrong thumbnail for an image.
Not sure why, in this example it is jpg files -- you can clearly see the wrong thumbnail (I think I may have deleted the file that is now showing in the thumbnail).

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these files show correctly in SC -- sorry, I wasn't paying attention:
EDIT// the incorrect thubnail is a jpg file that exists -- it shows in SC but not in this app.
I can send you the file directly per email if you want mouser.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 09:05 AM
Yeah I'm guessing what's happening with the slow delete is that it's triggering a "rescan" of the folder, which is slowing things down substantially.. It's designed to detect changes in folders and rescan, but maybe i can fix that and make it smarter about when a file is deleted not doing a full rescan.

As for the incorrect thumbnail.. let me know if you find any more clues..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 09:18 AM
Looking at the code, I see that it's actually a bit worse than I thought -- when you perform an operation like a delete, it actually re-scans the entire set of files and then compares the new and old so it can do some updates of the thumbnails "smartly".. For small directory this yields a good result of minimal visual disturbance when the folder changes.   But what that means is that for a huge recursive directory, its going to be even slower than doing a full refresh rescan, without the ability to abort.

So.. I will put on my todo list some more sophisticated updating of the folder after changes.. For deletes it should be able to just instantly remove the files.. maybe i can detect renames and additions too.  But then in the worse case with a large collection of files I'll just trigger a normal refresh so you can at least abort..



Until then, I suggest folks avoid using the delete feature within the program when inside folders with hundreds or thousands of images, because of the slow speeds, at least one-off deletes (you can mass delete files pretty efficiently).
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 11:03 AM
If you're feeling adventurous you can redownload and try the latest beta, with fast deletes even in huge folders..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 11, 2019, 01:05 PM
Sorry, I didnt realise that folder (where I was testing delete) had so many files in it :-/

Delete is now instantaneous (even within large folders) -- there is a quirk in that the actual view of the deleted file remains in the viewer pane until focus is moved to another file.
Those thumbnails now also showing correctly (will report if I get that again)
Good job :up:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 04:51 PM
Delete is now instantaneous (even within large folders) -- there is a quirk in that the actual view of the deleted file remains in the viewer pane until focus is moved to another file.

Well that's a bug then, it shouldn't stay in the viewer, so I must be overlooking something..

Can I ask how you are triggering the delete?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 05:45 PM
Try redownloading for latest version (1.09); the new version should detect and remove missing files better.
Let me know if you still find it leaving thumbnails of deleted files.

ps.
The reason I ask how you deleted the files, is that there are essentially two ways to delete files, one is using the Delete key, which tells MMB to handle the deletion; the other is to use the right-click context menu, which let's windows explorer do the deletion; the latter case I wasn't updating the view, but I now am.

ps2.
If the program detects a change in the monitored directories, it has two options.  One is to do a full rescan of the folder(s); this is slow but would detect any changes you make outside the program (renaming, moving files in or out, etc.).  MMB will do this is there are only a few files show (< 100 files).  What I've added now is that if there are > 100 files, and it detects a change in the folders, it will simply rescan your selected images and find any that are now gone.  This should handle most cases, though it does mean that for large directories, if you add files outside the program, you will need to do a File -> Rescan to see them.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 05:47 PM
Tip: Ctrl+R on an image (or set of selected images) will let you rename the image(s) (though the dialog could be improved).
I will improve the rename dialog so it's more convenient.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 11, 2019, 06:14 PM
Delete is now instantaneous (even within large folders) -- there is a quirk in that the actual view of the deleted file remains in the viewer pane until focus is moved to another file.
Well that's a bug then, it shouldn't stay in the viewer, so I must be overlooking something..

Can I ask how you are triggering the delete?
I simply use the delete key (focus on thumbnail)
with latest version:
delete in folder with <100 works perfectly: focus moves to next thumbnail, that file shows in the viewer pane
delete in folder with >100 works imperfectly: delete is fine; focus moves to next thumbnail, deleted file shows in the viewer pane. As soon as i click in thumbnail panel, viewer shows correct file

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EDIT// this doesnt bother me, just reporting!
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 11, 2019, 06:21 PM
A minor request -- it doesnt remember last viewed folder, would be nice if it were to start with last view, or have that as an option
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 07:58 PM
focus moves to next thumbnail, deleted file shows in the viewer pane. As soon as i click in thumbnail panel, viewer shows correct file
confirmed, working on it.

A minor request -- it doesnt remember last viewed folder, would be nice if it were to start with last view, or have that as an option

Yep, that will be fixed next.

Updated with new improved rename dialog (hit f2 or Ctrl+r) to rename.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 08:11 PM
focus moves to next thumbnail, deleted file shows in the viewer pane. As soon as i click in thumbnail panel, viewer shows correct file

should be fixed now.

Thanks for all the help testing!
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 09:06 PM
Updated, it should now remember last active folder.

Delete key deletes selected images, F2 (or Ctrl+R) renames.  Note that you can select multiple files to rename; you will be prompted to rename them one at a time.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 11, 2019, 10:29 PM
Updated with new Actions menu:
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Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 12, 2019, 01:08 AM
v1.09.1 - Dec 12, 2019
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 12, 2019, 12:53 PM
:up:
[Improvements] Reports scanning progress on large (recursive) directories and allows cancellation of scan; especially useful for large recursive directory trees.
[Improvements] Exponentially faster refresh after deleting files from large directories and refreshing after removed files.
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[Improvement] Program remembers last subfolder selected on exit and restart.
[Improvement] Remembers selected image even after rescanning.
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[BugFix] Deleting a file left deleted image in viewer.
these ones I, eh, interacted with: all good :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 12, 2019, 01:53 PM
Next on my todolist is a date filter, so you can limit the age range of images shown.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tsaint on December 13, 2019, 02:19 AM
Nice and useful program! Would it be possible to add option to display image size which is quite useful to some?
Btw, on my laptop, I get:
Windows Defender SmartScreen prevented an unrecognised app from
starting. Running this app might put your PC at risk.

when running the installer.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 13, 2019, 02:22 AM
Would it be possible to add option to display image size which is quite useful to some?
Easy to show image dimensions of the selected image; i will add that.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 13, 2019, 11:17 AM
New update with date/age filter.

So the following says only show files that are at least 5 days old, and no more than 40 days old:
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Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tsaint on December 13, 2019, 05:23 PM
Whilst scanning, "hit abort to cancel scanning" .... "hit esc to cancel scanning"?
Don't want to make your list of options too long, but date modified is quite useful - eg to see files you've maybe photoshopped lately.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 13, 2019, 08:59 PM
Oops it seems I messed up the Abort scan button on last version; I've re-uploaded with fix now.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: tsaint on December 14, 2019, 12:08 AM
Installed latest version.

MMB found 7652 files (recursively) in about 23800 folders .
I assume 7652 is the total number of files - all types, not just images - found. Xplorer^2 reports 7,904 Files, 1,834 Folders.
23800 folders I don't understand.

And when I count the (no filtering) thumbs actually being displayed, I counted 163. Maybe they're displayed in pages and I'm only seeing page 1?
Using filtering, count from MMB is:
png 39 ... 39 get displayed
jpg/jpeg 124 ... 90 get displayed
bmp 0
gif 1 ... 0 get displayed
tif/tiff 40 ... 0 get displayed
for a total of 203 images, with 129 getting displayed.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 12:58 AM
let me check the counts and see what i can see.
MMB does *not* use any paging.. so you should see all the images if you scroll far enough..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 02:07 AM
Ok so there was a folder counting bug and some suboptimal file scanning; I've uploaded a fix that should be a little faster and properly report folder counts.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.08.01 - Dec 12, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 04:55 AM
Yet another update:

v1.11.1 - Dec 14, 2019
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 05:03 AM
I'm interested in hearing any reports.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 14, 2019, 05:17 AM
[Improvement] New age filter
does the new age filter have dreadlocks :tellme: :P :D

Will try it out later  :up:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tsaint on December 14, 2019, 05:21 AM
I wrote a post but it seems to have gone missing.
Bugger :(

Basically, it said this:
Using filtering ...
jpg found 124 shows 124 thumbs
gif found 1 shows 0
tif found  40 shows 0
png found 39 shows 39

ie in total, found 204, shows 163. Unfiltered, it displays 163 which matches the displayed filtered total.
I'm about to have a hunt for the missing 40 tif images

I think it's confusing that the unfiltered screen says, for me, "found 7652 files in 1283 folders", but I think that means SEARCHED 7652 files, with no mention of the number of images found. (correct me if I'm wrong)
If I'm right, better to say "found 163 images from 7652 files searched in 1283 folders.
This would then match the filtered views which say "found xxx" meaning found xxx images
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tsaint on December 14, 2019, 05:27 AM
Using "Everything" to search for tif and gif files - it found none in the folder I'm searching. So I don't know where MMB gets the 40 tif and 1 gif found from. At least it's thumb displays are accurate
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 07:13 AM
Note for the text filter, you can separate multiple words with spaces and it will find files containing any of those patterns.  Prefix a pattern with - to exclude files matching that pattern.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 12:24 PM
New version uploaded; minor improvements.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 14, 2019, 04:07 PM
v1.11.1 - Dec 14, 2019
  • [Improvement] Image dimensions shown in statusbar.
  • [Improvement] . . .
  • [Improvement] Faster scanning speed.
  • [BugFix] Exiting while running scan was needlessly slow.
  • [BugFix] . . .
  • [BugFix] Was reporting wrong folder search count.
  • [BugFix] . . .
  • [BugFix] In large folders after sorting, sometimes thumbnail showed wrong image.
tested the above, all seem to be okay now, here.

I attach a file/screenshot that the browser cannot see -- formerly it was one that disrupted the thumbnails of the following files (it 'stole' a thumbnail). Currently it is simply not seen (much better).
Is visible in SC FWIW.
It's a jpeg file (I usually use default png for screenshots -- other SC jpg files show fine). It has a silly name (frog :p), I think I may have been testing reading SC comments in other viewers at the time.

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Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 04:34 PM
the file seems to be showing for me..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 14, 2019, 06:32 PM
the file seems to be showing for me..
turns out it's a problem with sort -- in the screenshot the files are sorted alphabetically (A-Z).
We have files starting with: W | F | R | W | etc
... something's not right ...

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EDIT// this in a folder with a lot of files -- over 3K I think (I'll try it in smaller folder)
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 14, 2019, 06:39 PM
^ tried it in a folder with 75 files -- it shows *after* all the files starting 'Screenshot...'
All the files starting 'Screenshot...' sort correctly A-Z in both folders.
In the folder/screenshot above there's two files that are out of correct sort (the other one is 'rscreenshot...')
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 08:12 PM
Hmm.. I worked hard to get the sorting to work.. I'll have to double check..
I'm assuming you've set a sort mode in the Sort menu..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 09:12 PM
^ tried it in a folder with 75 files -- it shows *after* all the files starting 'Screenshot...'

I think it's sorting uppercase before lowercase, when doing alphabetical sort.. so that's probably the issue.  Working on it..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 09:32 PM
Working on alphanumeric sorting..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 10:02 PM
Ok I see my alphanumeric sort is not being done properly, working on it..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 14, 2019, 10:43 PM
I've uploaded a new version, let me know if the alpha sort seems to be working now.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 15, 2019, 12:29 AM
Updated with dramatically improved sorting speeds.  Let me know if you see any oddities.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 15, 2019, 06:40 AM
Updated with dramatically improved sorting speeds.  Let me know if you see any oddities.
'Sort' is sorted :up:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 15, 2019, 01:23 PM
 :up:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 16, 2019, 10:46 PM
Any more feature requests?  I have one more killer big feature I have in mind to add to earn this a v2 labeling (virtual date folder tree), and then release the new major version as part of NANY 2020.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 16, 2019, 11:39 PM
Any more feature requests?
This may be too big a request:
the ability to mark files. Just on or off. I guess you'd need to be able to filter for them or show in a virtual folder, or sort by them. Would be a great feature for this imo.
(There are workarounds, e.g. temporarily rename a file, adding a character that will sort to top or bottom in alpha sort.)
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 16, 2019, 11:44 PM
Meant to ask before --
what is the slider, you can see it in my screenshot here:

https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49204.0;attach=109827;image

It doesnt seem to have any affect (I think it should affect size of thumbnails?)
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 16, 2019, 11:56 PM
It adjusts the thumbnail size, but it will have limited effect in certain viewing modes.  I think if you switch to Grid mode you will see it's effect most clearly.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 17, 2019, 05:09 AM
The virtual date tree system I am going to write would make it pretty easy for me to filter things into different virtual folders..
Theoretically I could add a feature that created virtual folders for images based on the keyword "tags" in the (png/jpg) image files, plus add a feature that let you add keyword tags to images.

However, it would *incredibly* slow down the program to scan the files for tags (loading each image), and the only way to make that acceptable would be to cache information for unchanged files between runs, would would involve using a kind of persistent cache/database system.. And i'm not so keen on going down that road.  If there weren't so many good heavy duty image management tools out there it would be worth doing..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 17, 2019, 11:54 AM
^would it be any easier if it just stuck for one session -- or even for one viewing of the folder.
Here's a scenario:
scroll through a few hundred images, finding a couple here and there you want to e.g move or edit or both. Tag them as you view them. Before moving on to another folder, you copy/move/whatever tagged images.
You move to another folder, those images now no longer tagged.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 17, 2019, 05:06 PM
Let me think on it..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 18, 2019, 11:54 AM
So I've finally got my virtual date tree working -- this it the main feature I had planned for this program when I first started coding it.  Still needs a bit of tweaking but here's a screenshot to show the basic idea:
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The left hand tree is *NOT* a directory structure.. It has scanned the root directory specified and then created a virtual folder tree organized by year/month (i could do by day too for heavy photographers).
Clicking on a year will let you browse all images from that year, or click on a month to narrow down by that).
The numbers on the right are the number of files in each "virtual" collection.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 18, 2019, 03:14 PM
^ That looks very impressive mouser :up:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2019, 12:01 AM
New version uploaded.. let me know what you think!
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2019, 07:40 AM
Btw, if people didn't know, Screenshot Captor comes with a "tool" menu item for Mouser's Media Browser, so if you install this program you can trigger it from Screenshot Captor to browse your screenshots more easily.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2019, 08:15 AM
Updated with options for showing a virtual date node for each day of the month.. Might be useful for people with big image collections who want finer grain browsing.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2019, 09:00 AM
A few words about the way that MMB works with large folders.

MMB lets you set a root folder path, and shows the subfolders under it.  You can choose whether clicking on a folder shows the recursive contents of that folder, which can be very useful.

For paths with only a couple hundred images, everything will happen fast enough to not worry about details.

Things become slightly more complicated when you are dealing with folders containing thousands of images.

In this case, clicking on a folder node (or the root folder note), can take several seconds (minutes even) to scan the recursive contents of that folder and all of it's subfolders.

After scanning is complete, exploring and clicking on any of the virtual date folders will NOT trigger a need to rescan the directories, and so should be very fast to drill down into the virtual date folder.

HOWEVER, clicking on a sub-directory currently DOES trigger a re-scan of that subdirectory.  Because of this, drilling down into a subdirectory and then BACK UP to the top node, or refiltering based on keywords, could present some annoying delays.
The benefit of this is that the program is happy for you to jump around without having to first rescan the entire path (aborting the initial scan, etc.)

What I will probably try to add soon, is a feature that will be a little smarter about rescanning -- so that if you have a giant folder you are working with, AND you let it do an initial completed scan of that folder, it will thereafter (on the same run) not have to rescan as you pop in and out of subdirectories.

That may be a little confusing.. To summarize: Each time you click on a subfolder in the DIRECTORY tree, or change the keyword filter, the program rescans that directory; each time you click on a node in the virtual date tree hierarchy, it does not rescan files, it simply filters them to show only those from the matching date.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 19, 2019, 07:12 PM
At the moment I'm focused on -- and loving, the virtual date hierarchy.
This does sound great though:
What I will probably try to add soon, is a feature that will be a little smarter about rescanning -- so that if you have a giant folder you are working with, AND you let it do an initial completed scan of that folder, it will thereafter (on the same run) not have to rescan as you pop in and out of subdirectories.

As said I'm loving virtual date hierarchy -- finding amazing screenhots of images (older photos mostly) that I made years ago.
Also, for what this is doing, it's really fast :Thmbsup:

I currently have the virtual hierarchy in a narrow column on the left; I increase the size of the thumbnail pane to most of the screen, leaving a small token column on the right for the actual preview/viewer pane.

Reproducible bug:
Using that slider I reduce the size of the thumbnails to below 30. The thumbnails go from showing maybe 25 thumbnails to showing just one image in the pane.


FWIW using keyboard to navigate gets confusing:
when focus is in thumbnail pane, focused file is highlighted blue -- this remains the same when focus is moved elsewhere (via tab key) which makes it difficult to know where one is when nothing else is highlighted. I can see when focus is in the hierarchy -- virtual or real, also when in one of the filter fields and the root but then I lose it and find I have to use the mouse to get back to the thumbnail field.
In fact I dont think I can tab to the thumbnail pane at all(?)
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 19, 2019, 10:25 PM
I increase the size of the thumbnail pane to most of the screen, leaving a small token column on the right for the actual preview/viewer pane.
You could try grid mode, which has no image view panel, and just double click to view image using an external viewer.

Using that slider I reduce the size of the thumbnails to below 30. The thumbnails go from showing maybe 25 thumbnails to showing just one image in the pane.
Will check into this.

FWIW using keyboard to navigate gets confusing:

Will look into this.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 21, 2019, 06:51 AM
Updated with some improvements to thumbnail sizing.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2019, 06:19 AM
Updated with some improvements to thumbnail sizing.
looking good -- that resizing thumbnail bug is fixed :up:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2019, 06:26 AM
I preume it's intentional that the thubnails are a lot smaller in the grid view as in the thmbnail panel. (Seems logical to me.)

One thing I'm not a fan of is the pop-up message in the tray on start. This can be a helpful reminder when the software is starting minimised (e.g. with windows) but otherwise seems gratuitious to me. It steals the focus and forces the taskbar to display.

EDIT//
OTOH maybe the logic is if the browser is called from one of your other apps?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 22, 2019, 06:29 AM
I preume it's intentional that the thubnails are a lot smaller in the grid view as in the thmbnail panel. (Seems logical to me.)

Yes, but...

The trackbar scales the values in the options, so you can adjust the baseline starting size of thumbnails in the different modes in the options:
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The settings are unintuitive, I acknowledge, but there is some logic to it.

Essentially the trackbar lets you tweak the resizing of thumbnails, but the Automatic resizing mode will also mess with the size of the thumbnails in order to use the space efficiently..

For example. the idea of minimum and maximum sizes in the options is what helps MMB decide how many rows and columns to show in grid mode.. It will try to find a number of rows and columns so that the thumbnails are between min and max widths.  Again the thumbnail sizing trackbar on the main window scales these min and max values..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 22, 2019, 06:35 AM
One thing I'm not a fan of is the pop-up message in the tray on start.

I don't think there should be any pop-up message in the tray.. what does it say?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: cranioscopical on December 22, 2019, 06:47 AM
what does it say?
"Oh boy, I thought this was an Apple!"
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 22, 2019, 08:56 AM
I think the only time you might see a tray message is if the program is already running in the system tray when you launch it again -- and it reminds you that it was already running.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2019, 09:47 AM
I'll make a separate post per topic:

so that's where the options are :-[
I saw File > Edit and moved on to the next item :-[

You gotta admit though that normally an 'Edit' is not added before Options/Preferences/whatever :p

I'll look through them when I get a  chance. Note the text is very small:
FHD screen (1920 x 1080)
Text etc. is @ 125% (default)

Here SC options on the left -- not a big difference but SC is near my limit (but good), the other is a strain

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EDIT// for some reason that screenshot shows (here) a lot bigger that the actual size of those dialogues. But at least the comparision is helpful
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2019, 09:51 AM
I think the only time you might see a tray message is if the program is already running in the system tray when you launch it again -- and it reminds you that it was already running.
I think it shows that greeting message once in a session (after reboot or login) -- it hasnt shown it since.
A couple pics explain:

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I'm pretty sure CHS also shows that message on login, not sure about SC etc.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 22, 2019, 09:54 AM
Yeah CHS by default announced itself; you can disable that in options.
The others shouldn't.  But I can see in the MMB code that it does display that "Greetings" message if started in the tray; I'll disable that.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: smaragdus on December 24, 2019, 04:36 PM
@mouser

First- I am glad that Mouser's Media Browser (https://www.donationcoder.com/software/mouser/other-windows-apps/mousers-media-browser) is still in development. I tested version 1.15.01 and I think I foumd a bug when switching between view modes, example:

If needed I can apply screen shots.

I will repeat some of the suggestions I made earlier (here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=42114.msg425247#msg425247)):


I work regularly with animated images (mostly APNG) and support for animated GIF and APNG files is essential to me, examples:

Animated PNG:

(https://images2.imgbox.com/d3/78/eGiw4WPy_o.png)

Animated GIF:

(https://images2.imgbox.com/fa/b8/V1iHFT3B_o.gif)

Happy holidays!
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2019, 06:00 PM
Option to save folders as favourites;

It will auto add folders to the GoTo menu as you use them..

Try to switch back from View mode: Grid to View mode: Thumbstrip left or to View mode: Thumbstrip top and see what you get;

I see it does not remember the size of the thumbnail strip, is that what you are talking about?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2019, 06:51 PM
Happy holidays to you too!
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: smaragdus on December 24, 2019, 06:57 PM
@mouser

I see it does not remember the size of the thumbnail strip, is that what you are talking about?

Yes, the thumbnails become very big. The only workaround I could find to restore the thumbnails size was to delete settings file ('MousersMediaBrowser.ini').

Also, while using 'View mode: Thumbstrip left' and 'View mode: Thumbstrip top' the thumbnails orientation is according to Exif, while switching to 'View mode: Grid' the thumbnails orientation is not according to Exif. Can you confirm that?

It will auto add folders to the GoTo menu as you use them..

I am not sure I understand how to use 'GoTo' - I have browsed many folders containing image files and 'GoTo' menu is always inaccessible (Windows 8 here).
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 24, 2019, 07:27 PM
I have browsed many folders containing image files and 'GoTo' menu is always inaccessible (Windows 8 here).
Oh! Maybe that's a bug then.. it should add each folder each time you go to a new one.. Maybe I need to reimplement that menu.

Yes, the thumbnails become very big. The only workaround I could find to restore the thumbnails size was to delete settings file ('MousersMediaBrowser.ini').
When I tried to reproduce it was just changing the size of the region.. you can drag it back to its normal size which will resize the thumbnails..
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 26, 2019, 10:58 PM
Can anyone else on Windows 10 let me know if the GoTo menu autopopulates with folders as you change your root folder, and exit and restart?  Trying to figure out if I need to rewrite that code.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: rgdot on December 26, 2019, 11:21 PM
Win 10 1809 GoTo remains inaccessible
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: tsaint on December 27, 2019, 04:08 AM
Goto menu populates as expected on my win 10 1903
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 29, 2019, 09:02 PM
Can those who weren't seeing GoTo menu populate try the new beta.  It uses a new system.  You can also now manually edit the GoTo list in the options (it will also auto populate it as you open new BASE folders).


Download beta:
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: rgdot on December 29, 2019, 10:28 PM
No change.

When I manually add a folder it is remembered and I can use the GoTo to choose that folder.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 29, 2019, 10:36 PM
When I manually add a folder it is remembered and I can use the GoTo to choose that folder.

Might be a misunderstanding of how that menu is supposed to work.

Can you describe the action you take that is NOT adding an entry when you think it should?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: rgdot on December 29, 2019, 10:41 PM
If I don't manually add anything the GoTo menus does nothing, clicking it there is nothing. This of course after navigating through various folders and clicking on GoTo everytime.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v1.11.01 - Dec 14, 2019 beta
Post by: mouser on December 29, 2019, 10:48 PM
To be clear, items only get added to the GoTo menu when you set them as your BASE/ROOT folder.. They don't get added as you click on subfolders in the tree.
That's by design -- they are only used for switching between your favorite BASE/ROOT folders.

So it sounds like maybe it's working as designed for you?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: mouser on December 30, 2019, 04:43 PM
Ok I've pushed out an official v2 release of Mousers Media Browser.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: tomos on June 21, 2020, 01:27 PM
Currently using this to try and dig out some photos from a folder with a couple of thousand images (copied from phone).

Still loving the virtual hierarchy (which is why I'm using it in above scenario).

Doubleclick thumbnail (I'm in grid view) opens file in default app -- normally pressing Enter key on focused file would do the same, but it doesnt here. Could that be arranged :-) ?

Re font size: still finding the font size in Options too small (compare with e.g. SC options). Also font size of the virtual hierarchy is very small.
Relevant info/settings:
15.6" FHD screen / Font scaling @ 125% (default)
Windows 7
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: mouser on June 23, 2020, 03:47 PM
Glad to hear someone is using it!

Pressing Enter to open an image like double clicking seems natural -- I'll add it.

Can you take a screenshot showing the small fonts?
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: tomos on June 23, 2020, 05:19 PM
Can you take a screenshot showing the small fonts?

See this post for screenshot of options

Note the text [in Options] is very small:
FHD screen (1920 x 1080)
Text etc. is @ 125% (default)

Here SC options on the left -- not a big difference but SC is near my limit (but good), the other is a strain

(https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=49204.0;attach=109917;image)

EDIT// for some reason that screenshot shows (here in my browser) a lot bigger that the actual size of those dialogues here. But at least the comparision is helpful

and here the Virtual Hierarchy, again with SC options for comparision (compare also with menu text at top of image)

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Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: cdncanoer on March 05, 2021, 08:34 PM
"Bug" 
The "Discuss on forum" link
on the software page https://www.donationcoder.com/software/mouser/popular-apps/mousers-media-browser
Leads to the old discussion page https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=42114.0
instead of this current one https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=49204
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: cdncanoer on March 05, 2021, 09:03 PM
Feature ideas:
(1) Enable wildcards in the name filter
(2) Partial Filename List (that would be used by the user to select a filter): To provide insight into what's in the folder, provide a filename list configurable by the user ex. "AAAAA" would show the list of all of the the different combinations of 5 letter prefixes used in the directory.  In your video example, you would then see that you have files that start with the word "Deck" and others with "School" and this would help remind the user what is there and what keywords to filter on to find the desired photos.  Might have a drop-down to search/list "First x characters", "First x letters", "Last x characters", "Last x letters"  Or some amazing AI that can find word patterns and list them.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: superboyac on March 05, 2021, 09:23 PM
you should use this opportunity to blow away acdsee.  I've spent much time on these photo viewers, and there is an opportunity here.  I will try this and maybe offer some good feedback.

if you are trying to navigate and view a ton of photos and images, acdsee is the way to go.  Other things like lightroom and stuff are for photographers and are not recommended for just browsing, like this and acdsee.  And even acdsee has had a lot of feature creep.

Acdsee is slow though.  Everything is just kind of sluggish.  That's the only problem really.

Another area that needs improvement is what they call Digital Asset Management.  Basically, a server-client (usually through a web service) application for managing your images.  But again, most of these are so professionally oriented and they suck for browsing.
Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: rjbull on March 07, 2021, 03:41 PM
you should use this opportunity to blow away acdsee.
As I read the OP, it isn't intended for that, but as a fast convenient helper for other programs.  I really like the virtual folders by date, and it's commendably fast.  Mouser's Media Browser has some useful features, but I find it odd that you access them from the thumbnail, rather than the larger image.  Also it calls Windows File Explorer, which is never going to be my favourite file manager.  It would be nice if it could pass the file name+path to whatever file manager (FM) you specified.  Failing that, a very useful feature in Faststone Image Viewer is the ability to press [C] for [Copy an image], and have it pop up a dialog of target directories, see screenshot.  That cuts out a lot of the need for an FM.

Acdsee is slow though.  Everything is just kind of sluggish.
Don't overlook that WinCatalog (https://www.wincatalog.com/) can catalogue image files and store thumbnails.  It's pretty quick at indexing and very fast at displaying and browsing, though again it calls Windows File Manager for file management functions.  The database can be quite large.

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Title: Re: Mouser's Media Browser v2 - Dec 30, 2019
Post by: markfoley on February 06, 2023, 12:46 AM
Hi, sorry for replying for the first time but this seems to be the thread for the browser.

It's really useful for browsing the autoscreenshotter pics.  I lost some work in an online app, and used this to get a screenshot of it to restore it.  Awesome!

The browser is useful for kind of zooming through your day in fast forward.  However, if I hold down a cursor key to zip through, I want to see something along the lines of a timelapse in the main image window.  Instead, it (for very sensible optimisation reasons) only renders one every so many thumbnails, because the selected thumbnail kind of runs ahead of the big window's ability to render.

My request would be an option along the lines of 'repaint full image every thumbnail navigation'.  Even better would be the ability to hit a little 'play forward' and 'play backwards' button with a speed slider, so you can scan through your day to find where you wrote that email or did whatever.

Thanks for listening!