DonationCoder.com Forum
Main Area and Open Discussion => General Software Discussion => Topic started by: widgewunner on October 12, 2010, 09:07 PM
-
Update: 2011-05-16 - Version 7 released today!
EditPad Pro 7 is now in the process of being beta tested. As an avid EPP6 user, I was invited to join in on the fun, but normally I avoid (like the plague) pre-release versions of software. However, in this case I decided to make an exception and give it a go because 1.) The quality of JGSoft products tends to be excellent, (so a beta release is likely safe/stable), and 2.) there are a couple features in EPP6 that have been bugging me and I wanted to see if they had been corrected in the latest version. We'll it turns out that all of my grievances with the older version have been resolved. Here are the complaints that I had with EPP6 which have been corrected in the latest version:
- The Ctrl+Tab keystroke, used to switch between documents, did not follow the most-recently-used order - it would simply move from file to file in linear order. Now this option can be selected either way.
- When opening/saving projects and files, there was only one "last used" folder that would come up as default. For my work-flow this was causing me headaches because I like to keep all my project files in one folder separate from the actual files associated with the project. The new version now independently keeps two separate "last-used" folders, one for files and one for projects.
- One of the cool features of EPP6 is that it keeps a separate set of options for each filetype that you work with. Settings like word wrap, auto-indenting, LF vs CRLF line terminations, show line numbers, etc, can be set independently for each file type. But the interface used to change these settings forced you to edit each filetype one at a time (and there are dozens of different file types). If you wanted to change one setting for all file types at once (say turning on line numbers), you had to do it over and over for each type one at a time. With the new version you can change common settings all at once.
- There was no way to quickly copy/paste a file's path/filename. Now you can right-click the files tab and get it into the clipboard.
- Regarding bookmarks, as I recall, one of the reviewers from a previous thread did not like the fact that EPP did not have a "Next-bookmark" and "Prev-bookmark" hotkey capability. These have been added and there is no longer a 10 bookmark limit.
So I was pretty thrilled to find out that all my complaints had been addressed. But once I started playing with it a bit more I got more than just a little bit excited when I discovered some *very* nice gems. One in particular that really stands out for me is the way it handles...
Matching brackets The already very powerful syntax highlighting capability has been enhanced to provide generalized nested bracket matching. But not just simple brackets such as curly braces, but anything that can be defined with regular expressions. As an example, when editing an HTML file, when your cursor is on an opening tag it is highlighted along with its matching closing tag. But, the really cool thing is that the Ctrl+] hotkey will jump the cursor back and forth from the opening tag and its matching closing tag. And it is able to do this with nested tags. It is VERY handy to be able to jump to a matching tag when working with HTML/XML markup. Very cool! If you are into regex, you can custom design your own coloring schemes to provide nested "brackets" for any file type imaginable. i.e. You could have "brackets" be defined as "do"-"while" or "if"-"then"-"else" or anything else that can be described with a regex.
These were the highlights for me. You can read more about other improvements on JGSoft's EditPad Pro 7 beta page (http://www.editpadpro.com/beta.html).
-
i love the idea of more powerful nesting bracket highlighting, so i may give this a try.
-
One needs a paid licence to access their forum ?
I searched their website but could not find any link to a forum.
So this beta is restricted to old buyers only, yes ?
SKA
-
One needs a paid licence to access their forum ?
I searched their website but could not find any link to a forum.
So this beta is restricted to old buyers only, yes ?
SKA
-SKA
The forum is private and is built into the application! Yes, the beta is available only to owners of EPP6.
-
widgewunner, thanks for the heads up.
Some of these issues have annoyed me as well, so it's good to see they will be fixed.
This one in particular
When opening/saving projects and files, there was only one "last used" folder that would come up as default...
and this issue always bugs the heck out of me. Why it was never there in the first place (or added to V6), I have no idea.
There was no way to quickly copy/paste a file's path/filename. Now you can right-click the files tab and get it into the clipboard
-
-congratulations on your 100'th post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2625.msg220254#msg220254), NigelH :up:
--------------
One needs a paid licence to access their forum ? ... So this beta is restricted to old buyers only, yes ?-SKA
The forum is private and is built into the application! Yes, the beta is available only to owners of EPP6.-widgewunner
-yes, but:
100% Satisfied or Money Back
Your purchase is covered by Jan Goyvaerts's personal three-month risk-free unconditional money-back guarantee. When you buy EditPad Pro, you can try the full software risk free for three months.
A single license is €40. But I could find no way to change the currency, so my question (to any American reader) is of course, is it $40 ? :tellme:
-
Presumably it is whatever your credit card says 40 Euros translates to.
Sorry - I am being dense - how do you get to the forum from inside the software? I am a registered user running 6.4.4 but I can't see any forum access????
-
A single license is €40. But I could find no way to change the currency, so my question (to any American reader) is of course, is it $40 ?
-Curt
I get quoted US$ 49.95 (I'm in California).
-
Presumably it is whatever your credit card says 40 Euros translates to.
Sorry - I am being dense - how do you get to the forum from inside the software? I am a registered user running 6.4.4 but I can't see any forum access????
-Carol Haynes
The forum is a part of the new version 7 EPP. It is accessed either from the help menu or the farthest right button on the main toolbar.
-
Am I the only one who can see a circular argument here - you can only get into the forum via version 7 but you can't get the beta without visiting the forum ???
-
PURCHASE version 6, so you can TRY version 7, and then get your money back, if so.
Edited: Sorry, I didn't see widgewunner's post, before I first posted this post post...
The EditPad Pro 7 beta is available to all licensed users of EditPad Pro 6. To download the beta, simply enter the same email address and user ID you use to download EditPad Pro 6.
-
Never mind I am being dense - I should have read the original post and followed the link!
-
Perhaps the EditPad Pro author might be willing to donate some copies for us to give away?
-
I love EditPad! Glad to hear about the recent development on this great software.
-
I love EditPad Pro as well. I have a lifetime license for UltraEdit but I much, much prefer EditPad Pro - so much so that I recently uninstalled edit-32, despite the lifetime license. I can't quite put my finger on why I prefer EditPad Pro... I suppose that if pressed I'd point to the GUI, though.
-
I love EditPad Pro as well. I have a lifetime license for UltraEdit but I much, much prefer EditPad Pro - so much so that I recently uninstalled edit-32, despite the lifetime license. I can't quite put my finger on why I prefer EditPad Pro... I suppose that if pressed I'd point to the GUI, though.
-Darwin
Like you, I also have a lifetime UE32 license, but I do keep it around because it still has a few tricks up its sleeves that EPP does not yet have. i.e.
- Powerful column mode editing allows you to:
- Type in text into multiple rows simultaneously.
- Fill a column block with a sequence of numbers in hex or decimal with or without leading zeroes.
- Sort a selection of rows with multiple column range specifications.
- Perform operations (such as converting tabs-2-spaces) on only a selected region rather that the whole file. (
EPP does this document-wide Correction: this behavior has been fixed in EPP7). - Powerful built-in Javascript scripting engine.
But I stick with EPP because of its superior search and replace regex engine. (Although it has yet to implement recursive expressions such as '(?R)' - I don't know of any editor that can do that yet.)
-
widgewunner - you're right about the column editing mode, I did use that a lot when I was working on my PhD. Don't need it anymore, though. The other thing that I totally agree about WRT EPP is the search and replace feature. This is one of the things that I was thinking about when I talked about the GUI being subtley superior. I'm crap with reg-ex, but love having it right there to play with (one hopes that eventually it'll "stick").
-
Have you tried either of the companion products from JGsoft - RegEx Buddy and RegEx Magic?
Both are directly available in EditPad Pro search pane and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.
-
Have you tried either of the companion products from JGsoft - RegEx Buddy and RegEx Magic?
Both are directly available in EditPad Pro search pane and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.
-Carol Haynes
Yes... I have licenses for both. The real problem that I have is that once I quit my PhD I lost all need to actually use/learn Grep, so simply haven't taken the time and, indeed, haven't had the time. One day, though...
-
Have you tried either of the companion products from JGsoft - RegEx Buddy and RegEx Magic?
Both are directly available in EditPad Pro search pane and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.
-Carol Haynes
How's regex magic? I have to do an increasing amount with regex, and regex buddy has saved me more than once. I got regex buddy on the cheap on a special, and Regex magic is pretty pricey though, so I haven't dropped the money yet...
-
...and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.-Carol Haynes
Regex is like a very powerful complex weapon - you better learn precisely how it operates and use it very carefully or you will shoot your foot off!
The only guaranteed way to use regex safely and effectively is to spend the time it takes to really learn them. For that, there is: Mastering Regular Expressions (http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Regular-Expressions-Jeffrey-Friedl/dp/0596528124) by Jeffrey Friedl. I can honestly say that this is the most useful book I have ever read. (I was a software engineer for 20 somthing years before I took the plunge into regex - reading this book (4 times so far), has literally changed my life very much for the better.)
I use RegexBuddy all the time but have no need for the RegexMagic product.
-
RegEx Magic is worth a look if you are, like me, clueless and can't be bothered to learn RegEx. I have had copies of Buddy and Magic for a long time but I find Buddy still requires you to know about what you are doing more.
My problem is that I use RegEx so rarely that every time I need to use it I have to start from scratch. RegEx Magic is designed to let you make RegEx expressions without learning RegEx itslef - which suits me.
If you haven't tried RegEx Magic download the trial and give it a whirl.
-
Okay, so honest question here, because I just don't know. I use TextPad at work because they bought a site license for it. At home I use NotePad++ right now. What makes EditPad Pro different/better from these two?
Just to start you out on one of my complaints - TextPad is very nice, but fairly expensive for individual use, and isn't really updated much. I understand the engine may be feature complete, but they could always keep up with various clip libraries, etc. to show continued involvement. Many of the newest clips date back to 2004 timeframe! So at least this is active. Anything else?
-
EditPad has always been a great editor, but I think that the JGsoft products are a bit too pricey for us "normal" consumers at all.
(That's why I purged anything related to it years ago.)
Anyway, +1 for the matching regex thingy...
-
I love EditPad Pro as well. I have a lifetime license for UltraEdit but I much, much prefer EditPad Pro - so much so that I recently uninstalled edit-32, despite the lifetime license. I can't quite put my finger on why I prefer EditPad Pro... I suppose that if pressed I'd point to the GUI, though.
-Darwin
I dabble with all the different editors just for fun. I think EditPad is also becoming my preferred editor. It all comes together very nicely. It's clear that the author has that great feel for flexibility, simplicity, aesthetics, etc. I used to be big on Emeditor, which is still good, but I just liked that it was fast more than anything else. Ultraedit is very good, but a little big and klunky. I use Notepad++ primarily, since it's free and is pretty darn good. But if I were to pay for one, I think I would get Editpad. i just like it more and more and more.
-
One that was just announced on here for a DC special (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24431.msg222463#new) that I use a lot is e (http://e-texteditor.com/index.html). It's definitely not your standard text editor, but once you get into using it, you really see the power of it.
-
I saw it and actually thought about if I should buy it.
But e looks not mighty enough to be worth the price...
-
I saw it and actually thought about if I should buy it.
But e looks not mighty enough to be worth the price...
-Tuxman
Out of the box, I'd agree. Where it comes into its own is its extensibility, and the ability to use textmate bundles. You can pretty much make it into whatever you want. Add to that the command line capabilities of the new version, and it was pretty much a no-brainer for me (of course, I got upgrade pricing, so that helped).
-
Well, I still use Vim, so the "additional" pricing does not make it a no-brainer to me, so I am just wondering...
-
There's always the trial. What makes it a no-brainer for you or not is for you to decide.
-
Hm, OK - forgot about the trial.
I'll trial it next week, not really much time right now. Last time I tested it, I was not really convinced anyway. :)
-
If you really would like to give more than $30 for a text editor, i would prefer EmEditor.
Extremely fast, lightweight, and full op options and plugins.
http://www.emeditor.com (http://www.emeditor.com)
-
5 minutes of trialling e made me "meh", so it is rather unlikely ... ;D
-
EditPad Pro Version 7 (http://www.editpadpro.com/) released today! I've been beta testing this for the last several months and can attest to its stability and functionality.
Best text editor... ever! (imho)
-
It seems like the new version only has gotten better. It was superb before, and still is.
One thing I would've liked is to make it possible to define/save multiple keyboard layouts (just about
everything else in EPP 7 allows it, such as colors,text layouts, caret's, etc, and many of those are per filetype).
-
It seems like the new version only has gotten better.
-myarmor
In a perfect world you'd be able to say this about any new software release. Too bad that's not so.
-
mwb1100, that's true.
One thing I seriously liked in EPP6, and which seems to have gotten even better is the possibility to define any language for
syntax coloring. If it doesn't have it already, and you can't download it from others (which made and uploaded it) within the program,
just make it yourself somewhat easily (at least if you know regular expressions as those are more or less completely regex driven).
I have UltraEdit Studio 11 and NoteTab too, but regarding syntax coloring etc, EPP seems unbeatable.
-
Yes, no doubt that the syntax highlighting is one of EPP's greatest strengths. And Version 7 has taken this to a whole 'nother level with generalized bracketing highlighting. You can independently define any number of matching opening and closing brackets using JGSoft's regular expression syntax and the syntax scheme editing program. You can set the editor to highlight the innermost matching brackets which light up whenever the cursor is anywhere between them. You can jump back and forth between open and close brackets with CTRL+] and you can select everything between them with CTRL+[. And as I mentioned in the opening post, EPP recognizes and handles HTML/XML tags as brackets too. Very handy for navigating (and validating/correcting matching brackets).
If you are into regular expressions, I've written some modified syntax highlighter schemes (for Javascript and PHP/PCRE syntax) which provide bracketing highlighting while editing the regular expressions themselves. When editing a regex, its pretty handy to be able to see the current level of parentheses (and verify their proper matching).
And it looks like Jan is offering a free trial this time around, so you don't have to purchase it to give it a go.
-
Had a look at EditPad Pro 7 thanks to it being mentioned here. Looks to be a very good editor, though I'm not sure I could justify the 40€ compared to Notepad++ being free.
Distinct features or what I like about it compared to Notepad++ (note that I mostly code in VS but use an external editor for XML or config files, but sometimes code as well):
- Bracket highlighting
- Select between matching brackets seems very useful
- File navigator. Very cool!
- Two-key shortcuts (so I could mimic VS shortcuts)
- Powerful find and replace (e.g. Adapt case)
- Copy without selection copies current line (like in VS)
- Instant highlight (but Notepad++ has that as well)
- Spell checker (but couldn't try in Trial version)
What I like about Notepad++ which EditPad Pro 7 doesn't seem to have:
- Indent guide
- Show word wrap symbol when word wrap enabled
- Auto completion (e.g. for XML)
- Keyboard shortcut to cycle through 'List All Matches' results
- Windows standard context menu in File Explorer view (for source control integration)
There's not DC member discount for EditPad Pro 7, or is there?
-
Just FYI:
I found this only by googling :-\ (after searching the homepage for a good while without success :o ):
EditPad Pro 7.0.0 release notes
http://www.editpadpro.com/releasenotes.html#700
EditPad Pro 6 to 7 migration guide for features that aren't new but that have been moved or redesigned
http://www.editpadpro.com/migrate.html
EditPad Pro Version History, EditPad Pro 7.0.0 - 16 May 2011
http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadprohist.html
-
Yep, the website is one of the major cons of EditPad...
-
Yep, the website is one of the major cons of EditPad...
-Tuxman
Other than the background, I like his website. Simple, fast, and good-looking in my opinion. Just like his software. He's really one of my favorite programmers.
-
The software is not the point. (The pricing is. ;D Been using Expresso for a while now as RegexBuddy is not really cheap...)
But a website without any navigating elements or at least a "back" button is somewhat unintuitive. And usually the website is one of the first things a potential customer sees, so when there is a website that is hard to navigate, the potential customer thinks: Hey, this guy doesn't even manage to bring some structure into a website, so I won't even try his software.
-
Finally see "Full support for Unicode" listed as a major improvement, so I might give it a try this summer. Hope they do the same for AceText as well.
-
One that was just announced on here for a DC special (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24431.msg222463#new) that I use a lot is e (http://e-texteditor.com/index.html). It's definitely not your standard text editor, but once you get into using it, you really see the power of it.
-wraith808
That's one of those editors that I never tried out because the information at the web site isn't enough to warrant downloading the trial. I need to see screenshots and more details before I download a trial. (I hate when sites only have screencasts.)
I tried EmEditor a number of years ago (2001 or 2002 I think), but stayed with EditPlus because I really needed Korean, and at the time EditPlus was better and easier -- EmEditor was the only other editor that actually worked properly for what I needed. EmEditor required a bit more effort and IIRC only had a single document per instance. It's improved massively since then though. I got to meet the author last year at SIC. :) Hmmm... Can't seem to find any pictures of us. Just this one (http://renegademinds.com/Portals/0/SIC2010/Day2-3/thumb-DSC_0403.JPG).
+1 for Expresso -- it's an excellent utility. :)
-
One that was just announced on here for a DC special (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24431.msg222463#new) that I use a lot is e (http://e-texteditor.com/index.html). It's definitely not your standard text editor, but once you get into using it, you really see the power of it.
-wraith808
That's one of those editors that I never tried out because the information at the web site isn't enough to warrant downloading the trial. I need to see screenshots and more details before I download a trial. (I hate when sites only have screencasts.)
...
-Renegade
I have used e every now and then since I won a license here on DC. It has some cool and unique features (Bundles, Command mode, show whitespace under selection, store unnamed files in session, and more). I've made a whole list of stuff comparing it with Notepad++ with the goal of posting it here in the e review topic (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24541.0). Unfortunately, I can't find it any more :(
Anyway, I can remember the two main points turning me off of e:
- stability problems. I had many crashes, leading to a situation where e wouldn't start any more until you deleted its configuration.
- the forums indicate total lack of support (the project seems dead)
-
Bundles... soooo unique.
-
^ I think the point is that they aren't unique, but are the same as textmate, so you can use the established textmate bundles. I haven't had any problems with stability, so I'm not sure if that's an interaction with anything else.
-
Is there any bundle-capable editor that doesn't support TextMate's format?
-
Which other text editor running on Windows does support TextMate bundles?
-
InType? Vim (several plug-ins)? ...
-
Never heard of Intype before. It's first alpha version was made available in January 2007. And the current version seems to be Alpha 0.3.x :P
-
From the Intype forums:
We have gathered here to celebrate and remember a life once lived. Intype was a good editor, an editor which had brought so much joy, bundles and snippets to our lives. We trusted in it. Being kept alive by yarden for a couple of years it finally lost its long battle with developers' ability to concentrate on everything apart from its development. Intype is dead but it will live in our memories forever.
Leave flowers and condolences here.
I like that one. I think it could be copy/pasted without modification to the e editor forum.
-
That leaves Vim. I have often installed it, but never brought up enough motivation to get into it.
That would be the really cool thing about e's command mode. It's vi the other way round. I wish there was a Visual Studio plugin that does this (there is a commercial Vi plugin, but I want it the other way round, like e does it).
-
Discount/Giveaway request for EditPad Pro 7 sent to developer.
-
Discount/Giveaway request for EditPad Pro 7 sent to developer.
-cthorpe
Thanks cthorpe!
-
I've been monitoring the EditPad and AceText sites for a while, hoping to spot a discount deal.
He just put the prices up $10 :(
<sigh> Cancel that. That was yesterday. Today they're back down again. :huh:
-
"Anti-Discount of the day!"
Quite exclusive.
-
exchange rate fluctuation ;)
-
I've been comparing EditPad Pro, Hippo Edit and Sublime Text 2 recently (installed and worked with trials of all of them) and have to say that although the most expensive of these three, I like Sublime Text the most.
-
I wondered if the $10 yo-yo was just a slip of the mind, or a typo. I wouldn't expect a jump of that much in a day. I run WebSite-Watcher almost every day, so it was a sharp blip.
@phitsc: My main interest in EditPad Pro is that it is supposed to have a good WordStar mode. Depending on how good the implementation is, and or writing text as opposed to code, I would find that a great blessing.