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Title: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: widgewunner on October 12, 2010, 09:07 PM
Update: 2011-05-16 - Version 7 released today!

EditPad Pro 7 is now in the process of being beta tested. As an avid EPP6 user, I was invited to join in on the fun, but normally I avoid (like the plague) pre-release versions of software. However, in this case I decided to make an exception and give it a go because 1.) The quality of JGSoft products tends to be excellent, (so a beta release is likely safe/stable), and 2.) there are a couple features in EPP6 that have been bugging me and I wanted to see if they had been corrected in the latest version. We'll it turns out that all of my grievances with the older version have been resolved. Here are the complaints that I had with EPP6 which have been corrected in the latest version:


So I was pretty thrilled to find out that all my complaints had been addressed. But once I started playing with it a bit more I got more than just a little bit excited when I discovered some *very* nice gems. One in particular that really stands out for me is the way it handles...

Matching brackets The already very powerful syntax highlighting capability has been enhanced to provide generalized nested bracket matching. But not just simple brackets such as curly braces, but anything that can be defined with regular expressions. As an example, when editing an HTML file, when your cursor is on an opening tag it is highlighted along with its matching closing tag. But, the really cool thing is that the Ctrl+] hotkey will jump the cursor back and forth from the opening tag and its matching closing tag. And it is able to do this with nested tags. It is VERY handy to be able to jump to a matching tag when working with HTML/XML markup. Very cool! If you are into regex, you can custom design your own coloring schemes to provide nested "brackets" for any file type imaginable. i.e. You could have "brackets" be defined as "do"-"while" or "if"-"then"-"else" or anything else that can be described with a regex.

These were the highlights for me. You can read more about other improvements on JGSoft's EditPad Pro 7 beta page (http://www.editpadpro.com/beta.html).
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: mouser on October 12, 2010, 09:08 PM
i love the idea of more powerful nesting bracket highlighting, so i may give this a try.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: SKA on October 12, 2010, 11:59 PM
One needs a paid licence to access their forum ?
I searched their website but could not find any link to a forum.
So this beta is restricted to old buyers only, yes ?
 
SKA
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: widgewunner on October 13, 2010, 12:14 AM
One needs a paid licence to access their forum ?
I searched their website but could not find any link to a forum.
So this beta is restricted to old buyers only, yes ?
 
SKA
The forum is private and is built into the application! Yes, the beta is available only to owners of EPP6.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: NigelH on October 13, 2010, 06:16 AM
widgewunner, thanks for the heads up.

Some of these issues have annoyed me as well, so it's good to see they will be fixed.
This one in particular
When opening/saving projects and files, there was only one "last used" folder that would come up as default...
and this issue always bugs the heck out of me. Why it was never there in the first place (or added to V6), I have no idea.
There was no way to quickly copy/paste a file's path/filename. Now you can right-click the files tab and get it into the clipboard
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Curt on October 13, 2010, 12:20 PM
-congratulations on your 100'th post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=2625.msg220254#msg220254), NigelH  :up:

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One needs a paid licence to access their forum ? ... So this beta is restricted to old buyers only, yes ?
The forum is private and is built into the application! Yes, the beta is available only to owners of EPP6.

-yes, but:


100% Satisfied or Money Back

Your purchase is covered by Jan Goyvaerts's personal three-month risk-free unconditional money-back guarantee. When you buy EditPad Pro, you can try the full software risk free for three months.

A single license is €40. But I could find no way to change the currency, so my question (to any American reader) is of course, is it $40 ? :tellme:
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Carol Haynes on October 13, 2010, 01:42 PM
Presumably it is whatever your credit card says 40 Euros translates to.

Sorry - I am being dense - how do you get to the forum from inside the software? I am a registered user running 6.4.4 but I can't see any forum access????
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: mwb1100 on October 13, 2010, 02:20 PM
A single license is €40. But I could find no way to change the currency, so my question (to any American reader) is of course, is it $40 ?

I get quoted US$ 49.95 (I'm in California).
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: widgewunner on October 13, 2010, 03:35 PM
Presumably it is whatever your credit card says 40 Euros translates to.

Sorry - I am being dense - how do you get to the forum from inside the software? I am a registered user running 6.4.4 but I can't see any forum access????

The forum is a part of the new version 7 EPP. It is accessed either from the help menu or the farthest right button on the main toolbar.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Carol Haynes on October 13, 2010, 03:45 PM
Am I the only one who can see a circular argument here - you can only get into the forum via version 7 but you can't get the beta without visiting the forum ???
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Curt on October 13, 2010, 04:27 PM
PURCHASE version 6, so you can TRY version 7, and then get your money back, if so.

Edited: Sorry, I didn't see widgewunner's post, before I first posted this post post...

The EditPad Pro 7 beta is available to all licensed users of EditPad Pro 6. To download the beta, simply enter the same email address and user ID you use to download EditPad Pro 6.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Carol Haynes on October 13, 2010, 04:30 PM
Never mind I am being dense - I should have read the original post and followed the link!
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: mouser on October 13, 2010, 04:38 PM
Perhaps the EditPad Pro author might be willing to donate some copies for us to give away?
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Deozaan on October 13, 2010, 05:02 PM
I love EditPad! Glad to hear about the recent development on this great software.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Darwin on October 13, 2010, 06:56 PM
I love EditPad Pro as well. I have a lifetime license for UltraEdit but I much, much prefer EditPad Pro - so much so that I recently uninstalled edit-32, despite the lifetime license. I can't quite put my finger on why I prefer EditPad Pro... I suppose that if pressed I'd point to the GUI, though.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: widgewunner on October 13, 2010, 09:03 PM
I love EditPad Pro as well. I have a lifetime license for UltraEdit but I much, much prefer EditPad Pro - so much so that I recently uninstalled edit-32, despite the lifetime license. I can't quite put my finger on why I prefer EditPad Pro... I suppose that if pressed I'd point to the GUI, though.

Like you, I also have a lifetime UE32 license, but I do keep it around because it still has a few tricks up its sleeves that EPP does not yet have. i.e.


But I stick with EPP because of its superior search and replace regex engine. (Although it has yet to implement recursive expressions such as '(?R)' - I don't know of any editor that can do that yet.)
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Darwin on October 13, 2010, 10:57 PM
widgewunner - you're right about the column editing mode, I did use that a lot when I was working on my PhD. Don't need it anymore, though. The other thing that I totally agree about WRT EPP is the search and replace feature. This is one of the things that I was thinking about when I talked about the GUI being subtley superior. I'm crap with reg-ex, but love having it right there to play with (one hopes that eventually it'll "stick").
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Carol Haynes on October 14, 2010, 03:28 AM
Have you tried either of the companion products from JGsoft - RegEx Buddy and RegEx Magic?

Both are directly available in EditPad Pro search pane and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Darwin on October 14, 2010, 08:11 AM
Have you tried either of the companion products from JGsoft - RegEx Buddy and RegEx Magic?

Both are directly available in EditPad Pro search pane and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.

Yes... I have licenses for both. The real problem that I have is that once I quit my PhD I lost all need to actually use/learn Grep, so simply haven't taken the time and, indeed, haven't had the time. One day, though...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: wraith808 on October 14, 2010, 09:37 AM
Have you tried either of the companion products from JGsoft - RegEx Buddy and RegEx Magic?

Both are directly available in EditPad Pro search pane and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.

How's regex magic?  I have to do an increasing amount with regex, and regex buddy has saved me more than once.  I got regex buddy on the cheap on a special, and Regex magic is pretty pricey though, so I haven't dropped the money yet...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: widgewunner on October 14, 2010, 11:22 AM
...and the Magic version requires no RegEx syntax knowledge! All the power of RegEx without the pain.
Regex is like a very powerful complex weapon - you better learn precisely how it operates and use it very carefully or you will shoot your foot off!

The only guaranteed way to use regex safely and effectively is to spend the time it takes to really learn them. For that, there is: Mastering Regular Expressions (http://www.amazon.com/Mastering-Regular-Expressions-Jeffrey-Friedl/dp/0596528124) by Jeffrey Friedl. I can honestly say that this is the most useful book I have ever read. (I was a software engineer for 20 somthing years before I took the plunge into regex - reading this book (4 times so far), has literally changed my life very much for the better.)

I use RegexBuddy all the time but have no need for the RegexMagic product.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Carol Haynes on October 14, 2010, 01:18 PM
RegEx Magic is worth a look if you are, like me, clueless and can't be bothered to learn RegEx. I have had copies of Buddy and Magic for a long time but I find Buddy still requires you to know about what you are doing more.

My problem is that I use RegEx so rarely that every time I need to use it I have to start from scratch. RegEx Magic is designed to let you make RegEx expressions without learning RegEx itslef - which suits me.

If you haven't tried RegEx Magic download the trial and give it a whirl.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: steeladept on October 16, 2010, 04:01 AM
Okay, so honest question here, because I just don't know.  I use TextPad at work because they bought a site license for it.  At home I use NotePad++ right now.  What makes EditPad Pro different/better from these two?

Just to start you out on one of my complaints - TextPad is very nice, but fairly expensive for individual use, and isn't really updated much. I understand the engine may be feature complete, but they could always keep up with various clip libraries, etc. to show continued involvement.  Many of the newest clips date back to 2004 timeframe!  So at least this is active.  Anything else?
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Tuxman on October 17, 2010, 06:33 PM
EditPad has always been a great editor, but I think that the JGsoft products are a bit too pricey for us "normal" consumers at all.
(That's why I purged anything related to it years ago.)

Anyway, +1 for the matching regex thingy...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: superboyac on November 04, 2010, 09:05 AM
I love EditPad Pro as well. I have a lifetime license for UltraEdit but I much, much prefer EditPad Pro - so much so that I recently uninstalled edit-32, despite the lifetime license. I can't quite put my finger on why I prefer EditPad Pro... I suppose that if pressed I'd point to the GUI, though.
I dabble with all the different editors just for fun.  I think EditPad is also becoming my preferred editor.  It all comes together very nicely.  It's clear that the author has that great feel for flexibility, simplicity, aesthetics, etc.  I used to be big on Emeditor, which is still good, but I just liked that it was fast more than anything else.  Ultraedit is very good, but a little big and klunky.  I use Notepad++ primarily, since it's free and is pretty darn good.  But if I were to pay for one, I think I would get Editpad.  i just like it more and more and more.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: wraith808 on November 04, 2010, 11:37 AM
One that was just announced on here for a DC special (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24431.msg222463#new) that I use a lot is e (http://e-texteditor.com/index.html).  It's definitely not your standard text editor, but once you get into using it, you really see the power of it.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Tuxman on November 04, 2010, 12:09 PM
I saw it and actually thought about if I should buy it.
But e looks not mighty enough to be worth the price...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: wraith808 on November 04, 2010, 12:26 PM
I saw it and actually thought about if I should buy it.
But e looks not mighty enough to be worth the price...

Out of the box, I'd agree.  Where it comes into its own is its extensibility, and the ability to use textmate bundles.  You can pretty much make it into whatever you want.  Add to that the command line capabilities of the new version, and it was pretty much a no-brainer for me (of course, I got upgrade pricing, so that helped).
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Tuxman on November 04, 2010, 12:29 PM
Well, I still use Vim, so the "additional" pricing does not make it a no-brainer to me, so I am just wondering...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: wraith808 on November 04, 2010, 12:44 PM
There's always the trial.  What makes it a no-brainer for you or not is for you to decide.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Tuxman on November 04, 2010, 12:47 PM
Hm, OK - forgot about the trial.

I'll trial it next week, not really much time right now. Last time I tested it, I was not really convinced anyway.  :)
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Szero on November 04, 2010, 03:12 PM
If you really would like to give more than $30 for a text editor, i would prefer EmEditor.

Extremely fast, lightweight, and full op options and plugins.
http://www.emeditor.com (http://www.emeditor.com)
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7-BETA
Post by: Tuxman on November 04, 2010, 03:24 PM
5 minutes of trialling e made me "meh", so it is rather unlikely ...  ;D
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: widgewunner on May 16, 2011, 01:51 PM
EditPad Pro Version 7 (http://www.editpadpro.com/) released today! I've been beta testing this for the last several months and can attest to its stability and functionality.

Best text editor... ever! (imho)
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: myarmor on May 16, 2011, 05:00 PM
It seems like the new version only has gotten better. It was superb before, and still is.

One thing I would've liked is to make it possible to define/save multiple keyboard layouts (just about
everything else in EPP 7 allows it, such as colors,text layouts, caret's, etc, and many of those are per filetype).
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: mwb1100 on May 16, 2011, 11:04 PM
It seems like the new version only has gotten better.

In a perfect world you'd be able to say this about any new software release.  Too bad that's not so.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: myarmor on May 17, 2011, 04:50 AM
mwb1100, that's true.

One thing I seriously liked in EPP6, and which seems to have gotten even better is the possibility to define any language for
syntax coloring. If it doesn't have it already, and you can't download it from others (which made and uploaded it) within the program,
just make it yourself somewhat easily (at least if you know regular expressions as those are more or less completely regex driven).

I have UltraEdit Studio 11 and NoteTab too, but regarding syntax coloring etc, EPP seems unbeatable.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: widgewunner on May 17, 2011, 02:10 PM
Yes, no doubt that the syntax highlighting is one of EPP's greatest strengths. And Version 7 has taken this to a whole 'nother level with generalized bracketing highlighting. You can independently define any number of matching opening and closing brackets using JGSoft's regular expression syntax and the syntax scheme editing program. You can set the editor to highlight the innermost matching brackets which light up whenever the cursor is anywhere between them. You can jump back and forth between open and close brackets with CTRL+] and you can select everything between them with CTRL+[. And as I mentioned in the opening post, EPP recognizes and handles HTML/XML tags as brackets too. Very handy for navigating (and validating/correcting matching brackets).

If you are into regular expressions, I've written some modified syntax highlighter schemes (for Javascript and PHP/PCRE syntax) which provide bracketing highlighting while editing the regular expressions themselves. When editing a regex, its pretty handy to be able to see the current level of parentheses (and verify their proper matching).

And it looks like Jan is offering a free trial this time around, so you don't have to purchase it to give it a go.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 18, 2011, 09:05 AM
Had a look at EditPad Pro 7 thanks to it being mentioned here. Looks to be a very good editor, though I'm not sure I could justify the 40€ compared to Notepad++ being free.

Distinct features or what I like about it compared to Notepad++ (note that I mostly code in VS but use an external editor for XML or config files, but sometimes code as well):

What I like about Notepad++ which EditPad Pro 7 doesn't seem to have:

There's not DC member discount for EditPad Pro 7, or is there?
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: AbteriX on May 18, 2011, 12:14 PM
Just FYI:

I found this only by googling  :-\  (after searching the homepage for a good while without success  :o ):

EditPad Pro 7.0.0 release notes
http://www.editpadpro.com/releasenotes.html#700

EditPad Pro 6 to 7 migration guide for features that aren't new but that have been moved or redesigned
http://www.editpadpro.com/migrate.html

EditPad Pro Version History, EditPad Pro 7.0.0 - 16 May 2011
http://www.editpadpro.com/editpadprohist.html
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Tuxman on May 18, 2011, 12:17 PM
Yep, the website is one of the major cons of EditPad...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: superboyac on May 18, 2011, 12:19 PM
Yep, the website is one of the major cons of EditPad...
Other than the background, I like his website.  Simple, fast, and good-looking in my opinion.  Just like his software.  He's really one of my favorite programmers.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Tuxman on May 18, 2011, 12:25 PM
The software is not the point. (The pricing is.  ;D Been using Expresso for a while now as RegexBuddy is not really cheap...)

But a website without any navigating elements or at least a "back" button is somewhat unintuitive. And usually the website is one of the first things a potential customer sees, so when there is a website that is hard to navigate, the potential customer thinks: Hey, this guy doesn't even manage to bring some structure into a website, so I won't even try his software.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: mwang on May 18, 2011, 09:23 PM
Finally see "Full support for Unicode" listed as a major improvement, so I might give it a try this summer. Hope they do the same for AceText as well.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Renegade on May 18, 2011, 10:07 PM
One that was just announced on here for a DC special (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24431.msg222463#new) that I use a lot is e (http://e-texteditor.com/index.html).  It's definitely not your standard text editor, but once you get into using it, you really see the power of it.

That's one of those editors that I never tried out because the information at the web site isn't enough to warrant downloading the trial. I need to see screenshots and more details before I download a trial. (I hate when sites only have screencasts.)

I tried EmEditor a number of years ago (2001 or 2002 I think), but stayed with EditPlus because I really needed Korean, and at the time EditPlus was better and easier -- EmEditor was the only other editor that actually worked properly for what I needed. EmEditor required a bit more effort and IIRC only had a single document per instance. It's improved massively since then though. I got to meet the author last year at SIC. :) Hmmm... Can't seem to find any pictures of us. Just this one (http://renegademinds.com/Portals/0/SIC2010/Day2-3/thumb-DSC_0403.JPG).


+1 for Expresso -- it's an excellent utility. :)
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 19, 2011, 03:44 AM
One that was just announced on here for a DC special (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24431.msg222463#new) that I use a lot is e (http://e-texteditor.com/index.html).  It's definitely not your standard text editor, but once you get into using it, you really see the power of it.

That's one of those editors that I never tried out because the information at the web site isn't enough to warrant downloading the trial. I need to see screenshots and more details before I download a trial. (I hate when sites only have screencasts.)
...

I have used e every now and then since I won a license here on DC. It has some cool and unique features (Bundles, Command mode, show whitespace under selection, store unnamed files in session, and more). I've made a whole list of stuff comparing it with Notepad++ with the goal of posting it here in the e review topic (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24541.0). Unfortunately, I can't find it any more :(

Anyway, I can remember the two main points turning me off of e:
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Tuxman on May 19, 2011, 05:38 AM
Bundles... soooo unique.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: wraith808 on May 19, 2011, 07:29 AM
^ I think the point is that they aren't unique, but are the same as textmate, so you can use the established textmate bundles.  I haven't had any problems with stability, so I'm not sure if that's an interaction with anything else.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Tuxman on May 19, 2011, 09:58 AM
Is there any bundle-capable editor that doesn't support TextMate's format?
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 19, 2011, 09:59 AM
Which other text editor running on Windows does support TextMate bundles?
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Tuxman on May 19, 2011, 10:01 AM
InType? Vim (several plug-ins)? ...
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 19, 2011, 10:04 AM
Never heard of Intype before. It's first alpha version was made available in January 2007. And the current version seems to be Alpha 0.3.x :P
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 19, 2011, 10:06 AM
From the Intype forums:

We have gathered here to celebrate and remember a life once lived. Intype was a good editor, an editor which had brought so much joy, bundles and snippets to our lives. We trusted in it. Being kept alive by yarden for a couple of years it finally lost its long battle with developers' ability to concentrate on everything apart from its development. Intype is dead but it will live in our memories forever.

Leave flowers and condolences here.

I like that one. I think it could be copy/pasted without modification to the e editor forum.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 19, 2011, 10:09 AM
That leaves Vim. I have often installed it, but never brought up enough motivation to get into it.

That would be the really cool thing about e's command mode. It's vi the other way round. I wish there was a Visual Studio plugin that does this (there is a commercial Vi plugin, but I want it the other way round, like e does it).
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: cthorpe on May 19, 2011, 11:23 AM
Discount/Giveaway request for EditPad Pro 7 sent to developer.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on May 20, 2011, 03:01 AM
Discount/Giveaway request for EditPad Pro 7 sent to developer.

Thanks cthorpe!
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: rjbull on March 20, 2012, 03:58 PM
I've been monitoring the EditPad and AceText sites for a while, hoping to spot a discount deal.

He just put the prices up $10  :(

<sigh>  Cancel that.  That was yesterday.  Today they're back down again.   :huh:
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: Tuxman on March 20, 2012, 04:04 PM
"Anti-Discount of the day!"

Quite exclusive.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on March 20, 2012, 04:06 PM
exchange rate fluctuation  ;)
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: phitsc on March 20, 2012, 04:12 PM
I've been comparing EditPad Pro, Hippo Edit and Sublime Text 2 recently (installed and worked with trials of all of them) and have to say that although the most expensive of these three, I like Sublime Text the most.
Title: Re: EditPad Pro 7 - released
Post by: rjbull on March 20, 2012, 05:31 PM
I wondered if the $10 yo-yo was just a slip of the mind, or a typo.  I wouldn't expect a jump of that much in a day.  I run WebSite-Watcher almost every day, so it was a sharp blip.

@phitsc: My main interest in EditPad Pro is that it is supposed to have a good WordStar mode.  Depending on how good the implementation is, and or writing text as opposed to code, I would find that a great blessing.