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Main Area and Open Discussion => General Software Discussion => Topic started by: alivingspirit on September 07, 2008, 09:01 PM
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The forum is, in my mind, an almost perfect form of communication.
It has the convenience of an email and it has the potential to reach everyone in the world.
I think it is time for someone (DC ;)) to pave the way for the next generation of internet communication.
Something that combines the ease of email and the power of bookmarking.
A super-communicator not bound by the old ways.
Feel free to add things to the list.
Features I'm hoping Forum 2.0 will have.
- All of the amazing features of DC forums: Unread/ Read, Emoticons, Code Highlight, ext...
- The ability for the user to tag posts and threads.
- The ability for me to mark a thread as always read.
- Every post on one page.
- The ability to cycle through posts as easily as photos on picasa.
- Posts are collapsable like gmail.
- Automatic collaps/ summary on posts that you've read.
- Real time preview!
Edit:
- Customizable themes
- Powerful and easy filtering
- Chat
Edit2:
I am not a web developer, so I have no idea what a project like this entails, maybe we are really far away from this.
What do you think?
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I think these are really good ideas -- it's time someone really thought about next generation forums and your ideas are quite nice.
I'd turn this suggestion into a more general one:
The ability for me to mark a thread as always read.
What we are really talking about here is the ability to have powerful and easy filtering that puts posts/sections that you aren't interested in out of your way.
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I believe most users call that "Ning" :P
Actually that's not true but many of the features you listed are already in Ning and there are quite some people who testify on leaving their traditional forums for Ning so Ning "lite" is a good base to start with, I think.
As for showing entire pages, AutoPager Firefox Extension (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4925) allows one to load the next presumed page when you reach the end of the forum. It doesn't always work and many forums don't support it but it gives you the convenience of an entire forum without loading it all to begin with. (Try it on a popular blog like Lifehacker to see how it works)
Other feature that I would want is optional check box for integrating Technorati and Find in Forums (http://findinforums.com/) results when doing a search.
...and finally this is probably more complication than it's worth it but it would be great if you can mimic Tangler's (http://www.tangler.com/) real time forum chatting with forum posts so you can either directly get a preview of the forum contents without leaving chat or view chat posts on a forum post without going to the chatroom but it's not really beneficial, just something that might satisfy the twitter generation of forum users.
There's also some things that are more technological innovations than features. Cases in point:
-Being able to participate in a forum through rss, instant messaging and Adobe Air clients
...which would lead to:
-Being able to participate in forums using a mobile phone as conveniently as while being in front of the computer
...which would be helped by:
-Better voice to text software
-Better text to speech software
-An application which allows you to write several offline posts that can be sent instantly to several forums at a designated time and which would crawl all replies back to that application like a rss feed only for forums only. This would majorly increase all spam though so an alternative would be an in-built cocomment for forum posts.
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Some of the forum scripts and hosted services that I have in my bookmarks:
http://www.lefora.com/
http://www.yuku.com/
http://www.jaia-interactive.com/home/
http://www.phorum.org/
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Be careful with over scripting the forum with too much client side stuff that would require a much more powerful PC than I currently own, please!
Otherwise I won't be able to post any more and I will be restricted to using Google's mobile version (http://www.google.com/gwt/n?_gwt_pg=0&u=https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php) of it. (read only...all forms are broken, so no logging in or posting possible) :'(
And I am sure I am not the only one that would appreciate it.
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nice topic :Thmbsup:
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The ability for the user to tag posts and threads.
The ability for me to mark a thread as always read.
+ whatever we're up to now on these two ideas. There are threads that I have replied to once and have lost interest in. I'd love to be able to tag them as "ignore" or "always mark read"
:Thmbsup:
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Darwin those are the two features most likely to be seen on the dc forum in the near future.
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Excellent :Thmbsup:
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- The ability for me to mark a thread as always read.
-alivingspirit
This I like. Reason is there are threads that I may have posted a passing thought in but no longer want to follow. It would be nice to not have it appear in my New Replies to My Post section. Marking it as always read would handle that.
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Nothing fancy:
a simple, elegant and space-saving design. In contrast to the standard boxy approach which is overloaded with features. Nothing against all the features and new features, but they have to be designed , hidden, properly to make them tolerable to the eye.
The by far best design in this regard is still the one from dpreview and this is 5 years old or even older.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/
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I would love to have a Forum as a pseudo frontend to a mailinglist. I think this to should go hand in hand. I would like to reply to a post via email or start new topics by either using the webform or sending a email - maybe with some keywords in the topic. By subscribing to the list (maybe each sub-forum has its own) you would have all the info available offline.
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Nothing fancy:
a simple, elegant and space-saving design. In contrast to the standard boxy approach which is overloaded with features. Nothing against all the features and new features, but they have to be designed , hidden, properly to make them tolerable to the eye.
The by far best design in this regard is still the one from dpreview and this is 5 years old or even older.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/
-Lutz_
No offense Lutz_ but that made my eyes hurt but dark backgrounds are just a no no for me.
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I on the other hand like dark themed applications.
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Adding to the list:
- Customizable themes
- Powerful and easy filtering
- Chat
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Adding to the list:
- Customizable themes
- Powerful and easy filtering
- Chat
By chat do you mean a one-on-one private chat? Because there's always the IRQ channel, don't ya know!
-alivingspirit
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Another suggestion, probably easy to implement but a big usability step. Whenever a thread is split into several pages, the page navigation requires accurately clicking these smallish numbers:
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It would be easier to have Previous / Next page links to the left (or on either side of) the page numbers. Mostly because it's so much easier to click a word than a one- or two-digit number; also because when following a thread I don't really care which page I'm looking at, my intent is simply to move forward.
Initially at DC I thought these links would do the job:
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But they move between threads instead. Are they used often? (I.e., how often do people go to whatever thread is next, without seeing the title first?) In any case, it might be useful to rename them to "Previous thread" and "Next thread", to make their funvtion more obvious.
marek
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Tagging gets a +1 from :Thmbsup:
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By chat do you mean a one-on-one private chat? Because there's always the IRQ channel, don't ya know!
-Darwin
Ask Paul. It was his suggestion:
...and finally this is probably more complication than it's worth it but it would be great if you can mimic Tangler's (http://www.tangler.com/) real time forum chatting with forum posts so you can either directly get a preview of the forum contents without leaving chat or view chat posts on a forum post without going to the chatroom but it's not really beneficial, just something that might satisfy the twitter generation of forum users.
-Paul Keith
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Another suggestion, probably easy to implement but a big usability step. Whenever a thread is split into several pages, the page navigation requires accurately clicking these smallish numbers:
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=14783.msg129160#msg129160))
It would be easier to have Previous / Next page links to the left (or on either side of) the page numbers. Mostly because it's so much easier to click a word than a one- or two-digit number; also because when following a thread I don't really care which page I'm looking at, my intent is simply to move forward.
Initially at DC I thought these links would do the job:
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=14783.msg129160#msg129160))
But they move between threads instead. Are they used often? (I.e., how often do people go to whatever thread is next, without seeing the title first?) In any case, it might be useful to rename them to "Previous thread" and "Next thread", to make their funvtion more obvious.
marek
-tranglos
Ditto on every point. A clearer/faster page navigation system would be nice.
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I just thought of another really good one. How about the ability for a moderator to mark really good posts on a long thread so if somone is looking at an archive he/she can just go strait to the good stuff.
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Nothing fancy:
a simple, elegant and space-saving design. In contrast to the standard boxy approach which is overloaded with features. Nothing against all the features and new features, but they have to be designed , hidden, properly to make them tolerable to the eye.
The by far best design in this regard is still the one from dpreview and this is 5 years old or even older.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/
-Lutz_
No offense Lutz_ but that made my eyes hurt but dark backgrounds are just a no no for me.
-Paul Keith
Well, the color would be easy enough to change, although it is really not a problem.
The dpreview board is the most visited photography site on the web - I believe the elegance of their forum script, and the quick overview it allows over the entire thread, is the biggest reason for this success. The other site content is absolute average.
The overview over the forum is so good that it does not need most of the features that clutter other systems.
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Well, the color would be easy enough to change, although it is really not a problem.
The dpreview board is the most visited photography site on the web - I believe the elegance of their forum script, and the quick overview it allows over the entire thread, is the biggest reason for this success. The other site content is absolute average.
The overview over the forum is so good that it does not need most of the features that clutter other systems.
-Lutz_
Could you point out where the overview excels? I'm not disagreeing with you but I just can't see it. At best what I can see different from it from a quick skim is that it looks like Google Groups tweaked to look like a forum.
By chat do you mean a one-on-one private chat? Because there's always the IRQ channel, don't ya know!
This (http://www.tangler.com/forum/particls) is one of the sample link but it can be slow to load.
The general idea is like IRC except recorded which is achieved through intense amounts of use with AJAX (biggest reason why the site can be slow) so it needs to be optimized but the end result would be like getting twitter results within your forum post if you replace the twitter users with the chat visitors that converse in DC.
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In the name of clutter reduction, I vote for moving some of the icons underneath our avatars to the profile page, and keeping them there. (starting to get crowded and unsightly)
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Could you point out where the overview excels? I'm not disagreeing with you but I just can't see it. ......
-Paul Keith
Please have a look at the comparison screenshot (click on the thumbnail). On a much thinner slice of my screen (room for expansion?) I immediately get an overview over twice as many threads and immediately recognize which threads I have visited before, which posts have not been answered - all I need to know, while enjoying a much cleaner interface.
One advantage is that I do not have to stare at all the useless boxes and frames that are meant to seperate the posts but are superfluous optical ballast (OK, the frames are actually still there on the dpreview site. But they are so low key that they do not have any optical impact).
In my eyes bulletin boards scripts have plenty of room for improvements, less so in features, but predominantly in "humane" design.
The clutter usually seems to contradict all web design recommendations???
There are hundreds of photography forums on the web using the standard bulletin boards scripts - dpreview with its propietary script is the by far most frequented one (no hard data - this an estimate based on links to photography boards I come across) . Could be just by accident, but I do not think so. Photography audiences and Coder audiences have vastly different geek factors obviously - my discussion was meant in regard to forums for a wider audience.
(http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/1271/forumwh1.th.png) (http://img293.imageshack.us/my.php?image=forumwh1.png)
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Ahh, yes. I finally see what you mean. It doesn't bother me that much but yes, I agree that is convenient.
I guess the reason why it never struck me because I often am so frustrated at the zoom level of my browser that I often just zoom it so I don't really get the benefit of the screen estate. I also am used to tagging an rss entry to read later so the extra screen space is wasted on me because I'm too busy marking a forum topic as something to be read later on.
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Please have a look at the comparison screenshot (click on the thumbnail). On a much thinner slice of my screen (room for expansion?) I immediately get an overview over twice as many threads and immediately recognize which threads I have visited before, which posts have not been answered - all I need to know, while enjoying a much cleaner interface.
-Lutz_
May I register a shrill cry of protest!
Colors. Without arguing aesthetics, I couldn't read a forum that uses yellow (ack!) on black background. And red. Such color schemes are truly, physically unreadable to me, so much that it hurts my eyes and the tiny print appears to flutter like in those optical illusions (http://www.optillusions.com/dp/1-25.htm). There's way too much contrast, and the colors are all glaring neon at me.
I realize this is the preferred color scheme for most gaming sites, for example - perhaps to do with the cool grungey feel they like to elicit, so maybe it's culture-bound to a degree, no matter. I know for certain that if I open up a forum that looks like the left-hand part of your screenshot, I close it immediately and never return unless by mistake. I would never read DC that way.
(One solution for when I really want the content is to read such sites via Google RSS readers, which imposes its own default black-on-white style.)
The same goes for dpreview, incidentally. I've used it when I really wanted to read the reviews before purchasing cameras, but it is painful.
Then there's the layout. Why do books waste paper on margins? Because white space helps readability. It is true that the "dark" forum in your screenshot packs more information into a single screen, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. There are certain things that need to look like an Airbus cockpit, and most of them are Airbuses :) To put that much info on a page you need that small font and narrow line spacing, which to me produces clutter. It's hard to keep eyesight focused on a single topic line, because the neighboring lines intrude.
I'm not saying my way is better than yours, only that there are certain designs that put me off to the point of physical inability to read a site. I've nothing against custom themes - I just never needed them at DC, since the current layout and color scheme are about perfect to me. It's clear, clean and eminently legible. The amount of white space seems to be just about right. I don't even mind the profile icons, since I hardly notice them at all. The only clutter I see comes from personal signatures and avatars (I'm guilty myself).
(There was once a highly informative thread on light vs dark backgrounds (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=11508.0) - interesting to see how widely basic preferences differ.)
marek
PS. What I'd like to have would be a configurable number of posts per page. I'd set it to something large, like 500, to reduce the number of times I need to click the index numbers at bottom to read a whole thread.
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I realize this is the preferred color scheme for most gaming sites, for example - perhaps to do with the cool grungey feel they like to elicit, so maybe it's culture-bound to a degree, no matter.
Not to defend all gamers but we love Gamefaqs blue and white theme before CNN ruined it for us with their own take on the whole thing man. You're not going to see many people yearning for the old green and black theme that's for sure.
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Not to defend all gamers but we love Gamefaqs blue and white theme before CNN ruined it for us with their own take on the whole thing man. You're not going to see many people yearning for the old green and black theme that's for sure.
-Paul Keith
Heck I'm a gamer myself (don't tell my wife! Is FarCry 2 out already?). I just run away from gamer forums :)
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You are NOT stuck with the default theme of any page on the web. You can change it all to suit your tastes and needs.
You are able to define your own style sheet to be applied to all or some pages you visit, in most modern browsers.
Those that love black backgrounds, can have Google and Wikipedia (and even DC) that way, if they want.
Originally intended as an accessibility feature, user defined style sheets are very powerful.
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&q=accessibility+user+defined+style+sheet
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You are NOT stuck with the default theme of any page on the web. You can change it all to suit your tastes and needs.
-app103
I know, app, but in practice it's way too much work, unless one regularly visits no more than two or three sites. The most I occasionally do is pick "No style" in Firefox, for a nauseatingly bland but readable content.
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Hmm... I didn't know Firefox can do this. I never found the feature but it reminded me how in Opera, I often press shift+g (set to gray background) and shift+F11 (set to cellphone view) and that works for most sites not Web 2.0 for a clean minimalistic view of the contents.
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This thread has been a great read for me. I'm working on my own forum software at the moment, that will hopefully be very different to what's already out there.
Many of the ideas in this thread are quite inline with what I came up with.
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I just realized that DC forums doesn't support embedding flash videos so I'm adding that to the list.
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Those are always eye-pleasing colors, Lutz. Thanks for the .png.