How are you people installing it? The 64-bit USA ISO just has errors in VirtualBox when I try to install it.-Deozaan (October 01, 2014, 11:19 PM)
How are you people installing it? The 64-bit USA ISO just has errors in VirtualBox when I try to install it.-Deozaan (October 01, 2014, 11:19 PM)
I had problems too so ended up using VMware.
So far it seems to be the same as Win8 without the hassle of bypassing the Metro screen.-wetsmellydog (October 01, 2014, 11:36 PM)
I tried it with the 32-bit ISO and it warned me about needing to enable PAE, so I enabled it and got to the setup screen. Then I mounted the 64-bit ISO and rebooted my VM and it worked. So maybe I needed to enable PAE to get it to work?-Deozaan (October 01, 2014, 11:40 PM)
"Windows 8, as the world now knows, was a superimposed mishmash of two operating systems.-TaoPhoenix (October 02, 2014, 04:12 AM)
The acid test will be when somebody who has used only Win XP or 7 installs it or gets a machine with it new and tries it out.-Arizona Hot (October 02, 2014, 07:35 PM)
The acid test will be when somebody who has used only Win XP or 7 installs it or gets a machine with it new and tries it out.-Arizona Hot (October 02, 2014, 07:35 PM)
The acid test will be when somebody who has used only Win XP or 7 installs it or gets a machine with it new and tries it out.-Arizona Hot (October 02, 2014, 07:35 PM)
Yes, but that's what I'm saying: what are they offering (in terms of new killer features) that will entice masses of businesses and consumers to try it out? I'm not seeing anything so far.
(I understand programmers, sysadmin and the like will try it out because of their professional needs and curiosity - but I'm talking about MS's target customers, the vast majority of whom are still with Win7 and XP.)-dr_andus (October 03, 2014, 06:51 AM)
The possible problem is not whether they will find it better, it is whether they will find it compatible with the programs they use and easily usable. These people want to continue what they have been doing with as little transition trouble as possible. They will have to transfer to it sooner or later, the question is when and with what problems.-Arizona Hot (October 03, 2014, 11:57 AM)
Heh. The Admin on W9 Forums had to scramble to change everything to Windows 10.-MilesAhead (October 02, 2014, 09:13 AM)
Heh. The Admin on W9 Forums had to scramble to change everything to Windows 10.-MilesAhead (October 02, 2014, 09:13 AM)
They couldn't just do a search and replace on it! What if they accidentally turned every reference to Windows 95 or 98 to Windows 105 or Windows 108? The results could be disastrous! :P-Deozaan (October 03, 2014, 08:27 PM)
elevenforums.com taken? :P-rgdot (October 03, 2014, 08:32 PM)
After 24 hours of using Windows 10, as a tablet user, it is an incremental improvement on Windows 8.1. The biggest improvement is that my Pro 3's WiFi now works without issues. Right now Windows 10 is not a HUGE revolutionary jump that would merit skipping a whole major version number. That said Microsoft had at least two good reasons for that, one of marketing and one which is technical. For non touch users or those who follow the myth that every other Windows release will suck (without even giving them a try) Windows 10 will be the tolerable touchable Windows. The real reasons to skip the name Windows 9 are legacy code and marketing.
Free at last After Windows 10, consumers won't pay for updates or upgrades Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.com/article/2825116/free-at-last-after-windows-10-consumers-wont-pay-for-updates-or-upgrades.html)-Arizona Hot (October 12, 2014, 11:06 PM)
I tried it with the 32-bit ISO and it warned me about needing to enable PAE, so I enabled it and got to the setup screen. Then I mounted the 64-bit ISO and rebooted my VM and it worked. So maybe I needed to enable PAE to get it to work?
Heh. The Admin on W9 Forums had to scramble to change everything to Windows 10.
Interesting to note that Google (perhaps a competitor MS should keep an eye on) goes out of its way to stress that it has no intention of forcing the merging of its desktop and mobile operating systems:
Don't Expect Android and Chrome to Merge Soon, Says Google Exec
Well, I don't plan to mess with pre-release versions, but I'll exactly be trying a dual boot (with lots of help!) on the final version of Win 10 next year.
The acid test will be when somebody who has used only Win XP or 7 installs it or gets a machine with it new and tries it out.-Arizona Hot (October 02, 2014, 07:35 PM)
Interesting to note that Google (perhaps a competitor MS should keep an eye on) goes out of its way to stress that it has no intention of forcing the merging of its desktop and mobile operating systems:
Don't Expect Android and Chrome to Merge Soon, Says Google Exec
But under the hood aren't they moving more in that exact direction?-mikiem (October 26, 2014, 01:13 PM)
My thoughts on W10-fredemeister (October 26, 2014, 03:24 PM)
The acid test will be when somebody who has used only Win XP or 7 installs it or gets a machine with it new and tries it out.-Arizona Hot (October 02, 2014, 07:35 PM)
I can cope with change - Windows XP DID NEED and still does need security work - but wholesale change?
Having said that, I'm complaining at the beginning of a project, without having too much interest in MS' future intentions, or what's under the hood.-fredemeister (October 28, 2014, 03:44 PM)
My tip for those who are trying to adapt to Windows 8/10 coming from older OSes is that you are only going to get frustrated if you try to force the new OS to have the same workflow as your old OS. Relax, keep an open mind, and explore the new tools Microsoft has supplied you. Adapt yourself to a new workflow using the new tools in the new OS and you will eventually reach a point where you are much more productive than you were with your old OS. Some stuff won't make sense at first. Some stuff will never make sense. But some stuff will eventually click with you and a day will come when if you are ever sitting in front of that old OS you'll wonder how you ever used such an archaic thing.
Honest.-Innuendo (January 04, 2015, 11:51 AM)
Might be time to set up a VM and give it a go.-Innuendo (January 04, 2015, 11:51 AM)
plain Jane UIMan, my greatest hate on Win8 is the "plain Jane UI". Not only missing Glass, but the plain Jane icons.-MilesAhead (January 04, 2015, 03:32 PM)
The more I look at where Microsoft wants you to "go today" after Windows 7, the happier I am I made the switch to Linux. 8)-40hz (January 14, 2015, 07:27 PM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg374999#msg374999))
Preview Microsoft's Universal Office Apps for Windows 10 Now (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2476302,00.asp)
But would it run on a Win 10 Raspberry Pi?-Arizona Hot (February 04, 2015, 05:29 PM)
Windows 10
For the last six months we’ve been working closely with Microsoft to bring the forthcoming Windows 10 to Raspberry Pi 2. Microsoft will have much more to share over the coming months. The Raspberry Pi 2-compatible version of Windows 10 will be available free of charge to makers.
Visit WindowsOnDevices.com today to join the Windows Developer Program for IoT and receive updates as they become available.
1. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. Installation and Use.
· You may install and test one copy of the software on your premises.
· You may not test the software in a live operating environment unless Microsoft permits you to do so under another agreement.
b. Third Party Programs. The software contains third party programs. The terms that come with those programs apply, unless otherwise stated in those terms.
I've tried the latest Win 10 preview a bit in Virtualbox. Like it! I can so far only see improvements compared to 8.1. Like before we can opt out of logging in with a Microsoft account at install. 10 feels like the heir to Win7 Microsoft should have made in the first place.-Nod5 (February 13, 2015, 03:19 AM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg376846#msg376846))The number of the beast. Does this mean that Deozaan is more evil.-Arizona Hot (March 04, 2015, 01:53 PM)
Maybe the Outlook/Office you were using hadn't all the necessary patches? That would be my first guess.-Shades (March 18, 2015, 09:21 AM)
Besides, What version of Exchange is running?-Shades (March 18, 2015, 09:21 AM)
If your Outlook is 2 versions older than the Exchange it connects to...your usually SOL.-Shades (March 18, 2015, 09:21 AM)
So those of you who are thinking in terms of business and commercial uses, please understand Microsoft isn't going to be doing anything to get you there for free. This deal is for "makers" - or "tinkerers" as I like to think of them. The EULA (https://www.windowsondevices.com/EULA.aspx) can be found here. This part (highlighted) is where it's shows the restriction:Fair enough, IMHO - you can play with it for free, use it for hobby projects et cetera. Or you can use it while prototyping an idea - if it seems like you can monetize that idea, it's not really that unfair to pay for licenses :)1. INSTALLATION AND USE RIGHTS.
a. Installation and Use.
· You may install and test one copy of the software on your premises.
· You may not test the software in a live operating environment unless Microsoft permits you to do so under another agreement.
b. Third Party Programs. The software contains third party programs. The terms that come with those programs apply, unless otherwise stated in those terms.
Strictly for dev testing. No live use. 8)-40hz (February 04, 2015, 07:01 PM)
Aside from all the Apps vs Desktop and plain Jane UI vs Glass, it seems each release of Windows sticks more stuff between the OS and the user. It's to the point where just reading windows and moving them on the desktop requires utilities to Run As Administrator. A bit silly really. :)Tightening up security is a good thing. Most stuff that breaks on newer Windows versions are usually violating basic rules that have been around since the days of NT4.-MilesAhead (January 04, 2015, 03:32 PM)
No ISO yet. You have to do the update method:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2451-preview-builds-check-new-windows-10-builds.html-MilesAhead (March 19, 2015, 04:21 PM)
When I check for updates I see something called something like fbl_impressive_10041 Professional and a Windows Defender definition update, but both of those things quickly disappear and it says "your device is up to date"-Deozaan (March 21, 2015, 01:21 PM)
Windows 10 makes disabling UEFI Secure Boot optional:
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/201722-linuxs-worst-case-scenario-microsoft-makes-secure-boot-mandatory-locks-out-other-operating-systems
That is to say, Microsoft required an option to disable Secure Boot previously, but now that option is optional with Windows 10, meaning some hardware may not allow you to install non-Secure Boot OSes.-Deozaan (March 21, 2015, 03:26 PM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg378147#msg378147))
Windows 10: Will your PC run it? ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-10-will-your-pc-run-it/2/)
This is for the people who are not running Win 10 now, but who expect to be when it is finished.-Arizona Hot (March 21, 2015, 06:36 PM)
If you have a spare hard disk and sufficiently sized pen drive laying around, feel free to download a trial iso of Windows 8(.1), create a boot-able pen drive using that iso (Rufus is one of the easiest tools I know), disconnect your main hard disk, connect the spare hard disk and start installing.
There is no surer way to test if your system is able to handle a new OS. And by disconnecting your main hard disk you won't make any (unintentional) changes to your main OS. After you are done testing...disconnect the spare hard disk and reconnect your main hard disk and you are ready to roll again in the comforts of your trusted OS.-Shades (March 22, 2015, 09:19 AM)
If you have a spare hard disk and sufficiently sized pen drive laying around, feel free to download a trial iso of Windows 8(.1), create a boot-able pen drive using that iso (Rufus is one of the easiest tools I know), disconnect your main hard disk, connect the spare hard disk and start installing.
There is no surer way to test if your system is able to handle a new OS. And by disconnecting your main hard disk you won't make any (unintentional) changes to your main OS. After you are done testing...disconnect the spare hard disk and reconnect your main hard disk and you are ready to roll again in the comforts of your trusted OS.
-Shades (March 22, 2015, 09:19 AM)
MS moves stuff around and edge cases happen too much for me to get involved with anything before the final rollout.-TaoPhoenix (March 22, 2015, 10:41 AM)
Windows 10 makes disabling UEFI Secure Boot optional:Meh, that sucks :(-Deozaan (March 21, 2015, 03:26 PM)
Thanks. That disc image is half a GB smaller than the 9926 one I downloaded two months ago!-Deozaan (March 25, 2015, 10:30 PM)
No ISO yet. You have to do the update method:
https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2451-preview-builds-check-new-windows-10-builds.html-MilesAhead (March 19, 2015, 04:21 PM)
This doesn't work for me. I can't get build 9926 to update to 10041. The instructions in that link don't do what it says it should do. I don't see a "Preview Builds" tab in Update & Recovery when I follow the instructions.-Deozaan (March 21, 2015, 01:21 PM)
The Anti-Climax Known as Windows 10 John C. Dvorak PCMag.com-Arizona Hot (March 27, 2015, 01:22 PM)
The Anti-Climax Known as Windows 10 John C. Dvorak PCMag.com-Arizona Hot (March 27, 2015, 01:22 PM)
I've been waiting for years for someone to write The Anti-Climax Known as John C. Dvorak.-Innuendo (March 29, 2015, 11:02 AM)
I have to admit I get a kick out of JCD. But I still refuse to try his keyboard. Qwerty all the way for me!! :)O_o-MilesAhead (March 29, 2015, 11:10 AM)
The Anti-Climax Known as Windows 10 John C. Dvorak PCMag.com-Arizona Hot (March 27, 2015, 01:22 PM)
I've been waiting for years for someone to write The Anti-Climax Known as John C. Dvorak.-Innuendo (March 29, 2015, 11:02 AM)
Lazy blurb taken from Slashdot:
"Today Microsoft released a new Technical Preview build for Windows 10. Its most notable addition is Microsoft's new browser: Project Spartan."
Anyone want to chime in on Spartan?-TaoPhoenix (March 31, 2015, 05:37 AM)
I don't think I could give it a fair test in a VM. Although I notice for some reason Windows x64 versions of Vista and W7 aren't all that slow in a VM on my Laptop. But W10 I have to turn off a bunch of services to keep it from stalling.
I'll probably VM the new build today or tomorrow and take a look.-MilesAhead (March 31, 2015, 05:46 AM)
You could cheat and try dual booting to a .vhd for the 10 testing.-Stoic Joker (March 31, 2015, 06:48 AM)
Anyone want to chime in on Spartan?-TaoPhoenix (March 31, 2015, 05:37 AM)
Anyone want to chime in on Spartan?(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg378894#msg378894))-TaoPhoenix (March 31, 2015, 05:37 AM)
Preview of Microsoft's Project Spartan available (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/personal/2015/03/31/project-spartan-browser/70711416/)-Arizona Hot (March 31, 2015, 02:29 PM)
I'm not sure what the solution was, to be honest.
I tried it with the 32-bit ISO and it warned me about needing to enable PAE, so I enabled it and got to the setup screen. Then I mounted the 64-bit ISO and rebooted my VM and it worked. So maybe I needed to enable PAE to get it to work?-Deozaan (October 01, 2014, 11:40 PM)
^^ have you tried turning off automatically install and just play until you turn off all the touch screen services stuff? There was a post on Ten Forums helped me to get going. It suggested turning off the services you don't use on a desktop such as touch screen and a couple of others. Maybe the GPS service? I forget the ones other than Touch at the moment.
Edit: I'm not sure if that works. My memory is a bit hazy exactly when I disabled the services.-MilesAhead (March 31, 2015, 03:57 PM)
I'm not following. There is no "automatically install" option. There are no GPS or touch screen options. I'm trying to boot to the disk image. I get the BSOD before it even gets that far.-Deozaan (March 31, 2015, 04:24 PM)
Update: It finally finished, buy crashing, rolling back, and going up in flames.
FFFFuuuormat C:..-Stoic Joker (April 01, 2015, 02:33 PM)
Now I have an excuse not to VM 10041. I'll just wait for the 10049 ISO. ;)-MilesAhead (April 01, 2015, 04:04 PM)
Posting this from the new Project Spartan browser in Windows 10 b10049 ... It's definitely fast. Really, really fast.-Stoic Joker (April 02, 2015, 02:10 PM)
Posting this from the new Project Spartan browser in Windows 10 b10049 ... It's definitely fast. Really, really fast.-Stoic Joker (April 02, 2015, 02:10 PM)
Posting this from the new Project Spartan browser in Windows 10 b10049 ... It's definitely fast. Really, really fast.-Stoic Joker (April 02, 2015, 02:10 PM)
Does it use multiple executables?-MilesAhead (April 02, 2015, 02:49 PM)
Posting this from the new Project Spartan browser in Windows 10 b10049 ... It's definitely fast. Really, really fast.-Stoic Joker (April 02, 2015, 02:10 PM)
Can you give a couple of examples of how "fast" affects normal websites? Such as a site (I will load here), and "before and after" aka Spartan vs FF&gang/Chrome&gang/IE/Safari or whatever.-TaoPhoenix (April 02, 2015, 04:40 PM)
I'm lately deciding UI interface and maybe usability is my number one metric of software. (See my other Kingsoft office post today on the other thread.) So I can't even think of a time when I felt my browser was the culprit for not rendering a page. Often a site will be slow, but the status bar at the bottom will say things like "waiting for site at 3.14.15.926 to load..." so it's not the browser render fault.-TaoPhoenix (April 02, 2015, 04:40 PM)
Posting from within SpartanDoes it do that for every tab? One of the things previous versions of IE was smart about, was doing tab/process grouping - so, unlike insane-o chrome, you don't end up with a zillion processes not executables. The separation of "UI" and "Worker" processes seems like a sound thing to do, but each site in its own processes is... ugh (sure, there's some security implications, but mostly it smells like a "uh, threading and async is hard" thing to me).Yes, I'm showing 4 listed in TM just to get here - New tab == new .exe instance.Posting this from the new Project Spartan browser in Windows 10 b10049 ... It's definitely fast. Really, really fast.Does it use multiple executables?-Stoic Joker (April 02, 2015, 02:10 PM)-MilesAhead (April 02, 2015, 02:49 PM)-Stoic Joker (April 03, 2015, 06:49 AM)
^^ chromium had a command line switch to limit the number of exe instances. It was something about max render whatever. I searched for a similar switch in google chrome. I couldn't find it. Like right now I have 5 tabs open and there are 11 exe instances running. It is fast though. :)-MilesAhead (April 03, 2015, 09:56 AM)
^^ chromium had a command line switch to limit the number of exe instances. It was something about max render whatever. I searched for a similar switch in google chrome. I couldn't find it. Like right now I have 5 tabs open and there are 11 exe instances running. It is fast though. :)-MilesAhead (April 03, 2015, 09:56 AM)
Has to be fast so it can be quick enough to send all your browser activity back to the mothership in real-time. :)
Sorry...couldn't resist. ;)-Innuendo (April 04, 2015, 09:57 AM)
For now Microsoft is keeping it quiet, but Build 9926 of the Windows 10 Technical Preview released last week can be downloaded and installed via Windows Update on Windows 7 and Windows 8.my emphasis
[...]
For now this method comes with a caveat: a small file is needed. Users go to Microsoft’s Technical Preview page and click the ‘Start upgrade now’ button. This downloads the file, you run it and afterwards you will be prompted to restart your PC. On first boot Windows Update will now show ‘Upgrade to Windows 10’ as an option.-http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/02/02/windows-10-automatic-install/
is it really ready for fully upgrading OS?It's a preview, so obviously: no :)
(I wouldnt chance it myself, not yet anyways)-tomos (April 06, 2015, 08:30 AM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg379312#msg379312))
Microsoft's 'Redstone' An update to Windows 10 due in 2016 ZDNet (http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-redstone-an-update-to-windows-10-due-in-2016/)-Arizona Hot (April 08, 2015, 01:15 AM)
Posting from within SpartanDoes it do that for every tab? One of the things previous versions of IE was smart about, was doing tab/process grouping - so, unlike insane-o chrome, you don't end up with a zillion processes not executables. The separation of "UI" and "Worker" processes seems like a sound thing to do, but each site in its own processes is... ugh (sure, there's some security implications, but mostly it smells like a "uh, threading and async is hard" thing to me).Yes, I'm showing 4 listed in TM just to get here - New tab == new .exe instance.Posting this from the new Project Spartan browser in Windows 10 b10049 ... It's definitely fast. Really, really fast.Does it use multiple executables?-Stoic Joker (April 02, 2015, 02:10 PM)-MilesAhead (April 02, 2015, 02:49 PM)-Stoic Joker (April 03, 2015, 06:49 AM)-f0dder (April 03, 2015, 09:37 AM)
- I just saw an article that says a search bar (may?) be hard-coded to sit there starting at you in Win10, and it's part integrated with Bing.-TaoPhoenix (April 08, 2015, 01:03 AM)
Sorry, it took me a while to get back to this (I didn't have time to fiddle with 10). It starts with 3 for the first tab/page, added a forth for the 2nd tab, then held there for the 3rd tab. Added another for the 4th tab, and held there for the next 7. The 8th tab finally added another instance of the .exe.So they still use tab/process grouping, instead of a process per tab - good :)
So...I'll go with yes on this one.-Stoic Joker (April 08, 2015, 06:44 AM)
What is the difference between windows 8 and windows 10?-vencelylalas (April 13, 2015, 12:05 AM)
Inside Device Guard Microsoft's attempt to keep malware out of Windows 10 PCs (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/23/microsoft_windows_10_device_guard/)-Arizona Hot (April 23, 2015, 03:54 AM)
I was still having problems installing the latest Windows 10 images in VirtualBox.
It turns out that updating VirtualBox appears to have resolved the issue.-Deozaan (April 30, 2015, 03:26 PM)
Yeah, it's pretty sluggish for me in VirtualBox.
Another sad thing is that I've gotten to the point with Windows 10 that I did with Ubuntu a few years ago. I get all excited about installing a new version, but once it's installed I just kind of look at the fresh/pristine desktop and think "Now what?"
Other than Windows itself, I'm not really into the Microsoft ecosystem. So I don't want to try out Outlook, or Excel, or Word, or any of the other included apps/programs. The one thing I did want to try out was Project Spartan, but even though Windows 10 popped up something asking me if I wanted to use Project Spartan to open websites, I couldn't find Spartan. Pressing the Windows key and typing in "spartan" led to no search results. :huh:-Deozaan (April 30, 2015, 04:48 PM)
I'm not really interested in exploring Windows 10 as an OS. Whereas I felt that Windows Vista/7 brought enough new features and nifty design changes that I was more than willing to jump the ship from XP. But thus far I don't see anything in Windows 10 that is appealing enough to make me want it in place of Windows 7.-Deozaan (April 30, 2015, 09:29 PM)
Another sad thing is that I've gotten to the point with Windows 10 that I did with Ubuntu a few years ago. I get all excited about installing a new version, but once it's installed I just kind of look at the fresh/pristine desktop and think "Now what?"-Deozaan (April 30, 2015, 04:48 PM)
Spartan is now called Edge - or maybe 'The Edge' (?).
May be findable searching for that...-tomos (May 01, 2015, 04:57 AM)
MS Edge just sounds silly to me. *Sigh*-Stoic Joker (May 01, 2015, 06:45 AM)
I just heard that Windows 10 would be the last version of the OS. But not like it's not going to be updated anymore, it will still get regular updates. It's just not going to have regular OS updated versions anymore. What does this mean??-superboyac (May 08, 2015, 12:39 PM)
I see. That's how my surface tablet works, too. It's ok, I suppose. I keep feeling like I'm eventually just going to go Linux soon. The problem with all this automation is that it moves away from the tinkering aspect for computer aficionados like me. I don't always install all the updates right away, I wait and read about the experiences first. it's not uncommon for significant updates to have issues that don't get fixed for a while.I just heard that Windows 10 would be the last version of the OS. But not like it's not going to be updated anymore, it will still get regular updates. It's just not going to have regular OS updated versions anymore. What does this mean??Sounds to me like the way Chrome OS works now. You get your updates, but unless you're really curious, you'll never need to know what version your OS is or what the update number is. The device is just an appliance that is kept updated remotely. Most users may not even realise their system has been updated when they restart their machine.-superboyac (May 08, 2015, 12:39 PM)-dr_andus (May 08, 2015, 02:35 PM)
And how does this relate to their cloud desires? Just wondering...-superboyac (May 08, 2015, 12:39 PM)
it's not uncommon for significant updates to have issues that don't get fixed for a while.-superboyac (May 08, 2015, 03:22 PM)
I just heard that Windows 10 would be the last version of the OS. But not like it's not going to be updated anymore, it will still get regular updates. It's just not going to have regular OS updated versions anymore. What does this mean??
It sounds like just a nomenclature thing, right? Instead of Windows 10, Windows 11...etc.
It will be Windows 10 v1, Windows 10 v2, Windows 10 v3, etc. Or some kind of service pack, or just KB updates, I don't know.
And how does this relate to their cloud desires? Just wondering...-superboyac (May 08, 2015, 12:39 PM)
"Every three years or so Microsoft would sit down and create 'the next great OS'," he said.
"The developers would be locked away and out would pop a product based on what the world wanted three years ago."
Microsoft also had to spend a huge amount of money and marketing muscle to convince people that they needed this new version, and that it was better than anything that had come before, he explained.
Moving to a situation in which Windows is a constantly updated service will break out of this cycle, and let Microsoft tinker more with the software to test new features and see how customers like them, he added.
Most of the revenue generated by Windows for Microsoft came from sales of new PCs and this was unlikely to be affected by the change, Mr Kleynhans pointed out.
"Overall this is a positive step, but it does have some risks," he said.
"Microsoft will have to work hard to keep generating updates and new features, he said, adding that questions still remained about how corporate customers would adapt to the change and how Microsoft would provide support.
"It doesn't mean that Windows is frozen and will never move forward again," Mr Kleynhans told the BBC.
"Indeed we are about to see the opposite, with the speed of Windows updates shifting into high gear."
So, for the foreseeable future, if you want to save money as a consumer, make sure your next PC is built to last, both in quality of hardware and specs. You want it to last as long as possible without it dying or becoming obsolete.-app103 (May 12, 2015, 07:20 PM)
If it's just for excel, word and browser work, I don't think MS will lose any customer even with Cloud OS.
But from monthly payment type of plans for OS, I don't think other than first world countries, it'll be much interest anyone.
In fact, some of the small business companies will move to linux or unix variants to save costs. After-all paying monthly for the sake of using OS, is financial leak. And any sane business benefits from closing such leak.
This will also help Apple and Linux, because developers will move to these OS, as not all the developers write code for profit. With locked in cloud OS, and developer certificates and subscription stuff, it only makes it expensive for coders to build stuff for MS from here onwards.-mahesh2k (May 13, 2015, 05:55 AM)
So, for the foreseeable future, if you want to save money as a consumer, make sure your next PC is built to last, both in quality of hardware and specs. You want it to last as long as possible without it dying or becoming obsolete.-app103 (May 12, 2015, 07:20 PM)
This is my fear though: MS will be able to make your hardware remotely obsolete by releasing an update that makes some key features inoperable or key software non-functional, to force you to buy a new device, whenever they need some extra revenue.
Currently you have the option to stick with XP or Win7, as long as your machine is working, sticking with old but functional software.
Case in point: I have a perfectly functioning iPad 1 with an amazing battery that is useless to me because the main apps I used decided to abandon that device once Apple made its OS unupdatable for those specs.-dr_andus (May 13, 2015, 04:11 AM)
Frugal people are a minority, while wasteful fools pretty much describes most of the general population.
This is why discount stores still sell plenty of pairs of crappy $15 sneakers that fall apart in a month. There is no shortage of people willing to blow $180 a year by buying 12 pairs of them, over spending $70 on a single pair that would last them more than a year. And they actually think they are saving money with that $15 price tag. They don't really understand the first thing about frugality.-app103 (May 13, 2015, 09:58 AM)
This is why discount stores still sell plenty of pairs of crappy $15 sneakers that fall apart in a month.-app103 (May 13, 2015, 09:58 AM)
In Edge [aka Project Spartan], the new tab page -- which appears whenever the user requests a new tab -- is much busier, filled not only with images of the most-frequently-visited websites, but also news and other content from MSN, as well as apps Microsoft happens to highlight.-http://www.computerworld.com/article/2924998/microsoft-windows/microsoft-issues-crash-warning-with-latest-windows-10-update.html
In Edge [aka Project Spartan], the new tab page -- which appears whenever the user requests a new tab -- is much busier, filled not only with images of the most-frequently-visited websites, but also news and other content from MSN, as well as apps Microsoft happens to highlight.-http://www.computerworld.com/article/2924998/microsoft-windows/microsoft-issues-crash-warning-with-latest-windows-10-update.html
Ew... :mad:-Deozaan (May 21, 2015, 01:07 AM)
The latter is yet another hint at how aggressive Microsoft will be in promoting Windows Store apps -- one of the biggest revenue generators in the company's strategy to monetize the increasingly-free OS.
Doesn't sound very Spartan... I wonder why? Then I read on:-dr_andus (May 21, 2015, 05:00 AM)
Build 10122 for PCs released to Fast Ring
http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/05/20/announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10122-for-pcs/-MilesAhead (May 21, 2015, 05:41 AM)
The key question here is: are the horrible fonts introduced in office 2013 (not cleartype, but whatever new B/W tech they are using now) the default for more apps in the OS? If so, I'm out. I'm only tolerating windows thanks to mactype, an ancient, unsuported app that fixes fonts for good.-urlwolf (May 23, 2015, 05:16 PM)
The key question here is: are the horrible fonts introduced in office 2013 (not cleartype, but whatever new B/W tech they are using now) the default for more apps in the OS? If so, I'm out. I'm only tolerating windows thanks to mactype, an ancient, unsuported app that fixes fonts for good.-urlwolf (May 23, 2015, 05:16 PM)
...horrible overall for readability on large desktop monitors.-urlwolf (May 24, 2015, 05:50 AM)
I saw news articles today about Windows 10 release date & price being leaked. Here's one:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2928797/newegg-just-leaked-the-windows-10-price-and-release-date.html-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 01:03 AM)
Yes I am seeing July 29 in several places, for PCs. Time to reserve too I guess :-\
Phones later I think.-rgdot (June 01, 2015, 09:46 AM)
But I'll have to decide what their timetable is, and whether if whatever they would call 10.1 with their rolling updates contains any bugfixes that sound really important.-TaoPhoenix (June 01, 2015, 09:56 AM)
Supposedly it is July 29.-MilesAhead (June 01, 2015, 05:42 AM)
But I'll have to decide what their timetable is, and whether if whatever they would call 10.1 with their rolling updates contains any bugfixes that sound really important.-TaoPhoenix (June 01, 2015, 09:56 AM)
What worries me is that they want to do everything using the Window Update. That is just too much work if something blows up. I even had several machines balk at installing ordinary service packs. Never mind sifting through all the updates to see what to put on and what to leave out. The descriptions are not very informative. I feel like I am working for them at no pay when I start reading through all that stuff. I try to stay away from Windows Update if at all possible.-MilesAhead (June 01, 2015, 10:09 AM)
Some places say the upgrade offer is available in the first year after Windows 10 is released.
Edit: The FAQ seems to cover most of these:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows/windows-10-faq-Jibz (June 01, 2015, 12:56 PM)
Supposedly it is July 29.-MilesAhead (June 01, 2015, 05:42 AM)
I've read that July 29 is the RTM date. But there's a bit of a delay between RTM and when it's officially released to the public.-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 12:04 PM)
Microsoft is making Windows 10 available as free upgrade for qualified Windows 7, Windows 8.1, and Windows Phone 8.1 devices. It will be available starting July 29, 2015; people can reserve their free upgrade today.
You only have until July 29, 2016 to take advantage of this offer. Once you upgrade, you have Windows 10 for free on that device.-https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-faq
Feature deprecation section
- If you have Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8 Pro with Media Center, or Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center and you install Windows 10, Windows Media Center will be removed.
- Watching DVDs requires separate playback software
- Windows 7 desktop gadgets will be removed as part of installing Windows 10.
- Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates.
- Solitaire, Minesweeper, and Hearts Games that come pre-installed on Windows 7 will be removed as part of installing the Windows 10 upgrade. Microsoft has released our version of Solitaire and Minesweeper called the “Microsoft Solitaire Collection” and “Microsoft Minesweeper.”
- If you have a USB floppy drive, you will need to download the latest driver from Windows Update or from the manufacturer's website.
- If you have Windows Live Essentials installed on your system, the OneDrive application is removed and replaced with the inbox version of OneDrive.
-https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications
Feature deprecation section
- Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates.
-https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 03:40 PM)
Feature deprecation section
- Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates.
-https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 03:40 PM)
Wait what? so if there is an update with issues on your system, you cannot stop it being applied?-Jibz (June 01, 2015, 03:50 PM)
I have seen the offer on Windows 7 - but not on Windows 8.1, where I would actually consider updating...-tomos (June 01, 2015, 03:56 PM)
You might recall back in April there was a lot of noise about an optional update that Microsoft released to Windows 7 and 8.1 users, KB3035583 (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3035583).
When the folks at MYCE took a closer look at this patch they discovered that it could be used for downloading Windows 10 when it comes to market. There was also code in that update that referred to ads/advertising for the Windows 10 upgrade.
It is very likely that these system notifications are a results of that Windows Update because at least one user in the Reddit thread removed KB3035583 and the notice went away.-http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/microsoft-begins-testing-their-windows-10-upgrade-notifications
I was just reading about that here:Feature deprecation section
- If you have Windows 7 Home Premium, Windows 7 Professional, Windows 7 Ultimate, Windows 8 Pro with Media Center, or Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center and you install Windows 10, Windows Media Center will be removed.
- Watching DVDs requires separate playback software
- Windows 7 desktop gadgets will be removed as part of installing Windows 10.
- Windows 10 Home users will have updates from Windows Update automatically available. Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will have the ability to defer updates.
- Solitaire, Minesweeper, and Hearts Games that come pre-installed on Windows 7 will be removed as part of installing the Windows 10 upgrade. Microsoft has released our version of Solitaire and Minesweeper called the “Microsoft Solitaire Collection” and “Microsoft Minesweeper.”
- If you have a USB floppy drive, you will need to download the latest driver from Windows Update or from the manufacturer's website.
- If you have Windows Live Essentials installed on your system, the OneDrive application is removed and replaced with the inbox version of OneDrive.
-https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 03:40 PM)
I'm not entirely sure why I'm so excited for Windows 10. I couldn't get the Technical release to work, VM or otherwise. I have the computer power, and plenty of RAM, so it shouldn't have been an issue. Yet, coming from Microsoft 'July 29th', and free to boot, I feel very anxious with anticipation.-Mizraim (June 01, 2015, 04:08 PM)
As a side question...in terms of coding for Windows 10...has much changed? Can we still use the same processes as in Windows 7/8? Will we still be allowed to download software from outside the Windows Store? Will the OS still bullshit people and tell them because you are not installing from a "Verified Publisher" that it was probably a virus...and then deletes the installer for you? (Seriously...that annoys me more than anything else on Windows recently...Having my OWN software blocked by my own OS then being told I am not trusted and probably trying to release viruses...)-Stephen66515 (June 01, 2015, 04:27 PM)
In the Windows 10 Technical Preview, I've installed things using the regular .exe/.msi installers. I don't think I've even used the Windows Store in the preview.-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 04:33 PM)
My everyone jumped on that one immediately! I hope everyone is still so excited when they get it installed.-Arizona Hot (June 01, 2015, 05:24 PM)
My everyone jumped on that one immediately! I hope everyone is still so excited when they get it installed.-Arizona Hot (June 01, 2015, 05:24 PM)
I wouldn't say "Excited" would be the term to describe myself...Cautiously optimistic maybe.-Stephen66515 (June 01, 2015, 05:29 PM)
You were certainly interested enough to reply immediately.-Arizona Hot (June 01, 2015, 06:30 PM)
I just got home and found my computer (Windows 7 x64) had rebooted after a BSOD, and I noticed a Windows logo in the tray which I had never seen before.
I clicked it and got a message about a free upgrade to Windows 10:
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg382560#msg382560))
Anyone else seeing this?-Deozaan (June 01, 2015, 12:05 AM)
I have seen the offer on Windows 7 - but not on Windows 8.1, where I would actually consider updating...-tomos (June 01, 2015, 03:56 PM)
My everyone jumped on that one immediately! I hope everyone is still so excited when they get it installed.-Arizona Hot (June 01, 2015, 05:24 PM)
I wouldn't say "Excited" would be the term to describe myself...Cautiously optimistic maybe.-Stephen66515 (June 01, 2015, 05:29 PM)
You were certainly interested enough to reply immediately.-Arizona Hot (June 01, 2015, 06:30 PM)
I have seen the offer on Windows 7 - but not on Windows 8.1, where I would actually consider updating...-tomos (June 01, 2015, 03:56 PM)
Just popped up on my Win 8.1 box during the day. I went ahead and opted in, I have full image backups. :-)
Hm, may need them. The box popped back up and after digging in it says the AMD Radeon HD 7660D video is "not fully compatible - you'll experience problems with your display."
That is not good. That's the on-motherboard junk that is working well enough for my two monitor system, but I already tried to replace it with an add-in R7750 card and the box just squawked at me. I better look into this again...-x16wda (June 01, 2015, 08:09 PM)
Windows 10 pricing If you’re not upgrading, it’ll cost up to $199 Ars Technica (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/06/windows-10-pricing-if-youre-not-upgrading-itll-cost-up-to-199/)-Arizona Hot (June 01, 2015, 09:19 PM)
As previously announced, upgrades from Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 are free for the first year of availability.
From the above link:As previously announced, upgrades from Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 are free for the first year of availability.
Gotta love ambiguous statements...Does that mean if you upgrade within a year of release...it's free.......or does it mean tha a year after upgrading I will be stuck paying them however much?
The whole thing is becoming more confusing lol...although, I am 99% sure it is simply free if you upgrade within a year (With no sudden "pay us $X" at the end of it)-Stephen66515 (June 01, 2015, 09:56 PM)
Heh so everyone can mark May 1 2016 (or so) on their calendars to be within the upgrade window-TaoPhoenix (June 02, 2015, 02:25 AM)
Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be free? lol.-superboyac (June 02, 2015, 01:34 PM)
Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be free? lol.-superboyac (June 02, 2015, 01:34 PM)
Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be free? lol.-superboyac (June 02, 2015, 01:34 PM)
I wouldn't worry too much. Just leave your machine up and connected to the net overnights. One morning 10 will just be there. ;)-MilesAhead (June 02, 2015, 01:48 PM)
Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be free? lol.-superboyac (June 02, 2015, 01:34 PM)
Today the update advert ^ was installed on my laptop (and it won't exit), so I gave them my email address, because I expect this to be one way they will leave me in relative peace, until the end of July.-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)
By the way, I am sure PC/hardware manufacturers are thrilled MS is giving people reason to keep their current systems :P-rgdot (June 03, 2015, 12:53 PM)
Also, I am anxious to see how Cortana, the Personal Digital Assistant, will work. If it works like I fear, I will also like to know if it can be killed and buried. Otherwise I may have to learn how to use Linux, Mac or whatever. I am scared of Cortana!-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)
By the way, I am sure PC/hardware manufacturers are thrilled MS is giving people reason to keep their current systemsI'm sure most companies will simply upgrade all their old stock to Windows 10 and try sell it as something new and fantastic to people who don't have a clue-rgdot (June 03, 2015, 12:53 PM)-Stephen66515 (June 03, 2015, 01:51 PM)
Today the update advert ^ was installed on my laptop (and it won't exit),Have you tried this? How to block Windows 10 Upgrade notifications in earlier versions of Windows (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/01/how-to-block-the-windows-10-update-notification-in-earlier-versions-of-windows/)-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)-dr_andus (June 03, 2015, 12:15 PM)
Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be free?http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/all-about-windows-10-upgrade-offer-including-how-get-rid-it.htm (regarding KB3035583) "All About the Windows 10 Upgrade App Including How to Get Rid of it"-superboyac (June 02, 2015, 01:34 PM)-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg382725#msg382725)
Just been reading (and now can't find the link) something about Minecraft coming free with Windows 10 - Anybody else heard this?-Stephen66515 (June 04, 2015, 06:50 PM)
Snap Assist (extracted from Arrange your Windows in a Snap (http://blogs.windows.com/bloggingwindows/2015/06/04/arrange-your-windows-in-a-snap/)
One of the most popular Aero Snap features in Windows 7 is the ability to drag windows to the left or right edges of the screen to resize them to half the screen. This allows you to choose any two windows and easily snap them side-by-side—a very handy feature when drafting an email or comparison shopping, for example.
When arranging two windows side-by-side, we noticed in practice that this scenario frequently involved snapping the first window and then spending time wading through other windows on screen to find the second one to drag and snap. This insight lead us to ask: instead of making you hunt for the second window to snap, why not present a list of recently used windows up front? This is the fundamental idea behind Snap Assist in Windows 10.
Snap Assist significantly speeds up the process of snapping two windows side-by-side by offering you a choice of windows to snap. Through our Windows Insider Program, we’ve seen that 90% of the time, users have chosen to take advantage of this improvement and pick the second app directly from Snap Assist rather than hunting for it manually. Snap Assist also has a number of related benefits. For example, just like Task View, it makes it easier to use the desktop with touch and comes in handy as part of Continuum.
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IainB: Do you write for a magazine, newspaper, website, or blog? I ask because you ALWAYS post huge walls of text (I'm not bitching here) that contain huge amounts of information...and I feel like you should be writing for $$$ lol-Stephen66515 (June 05, 2015, 01:27 AM)
The requirement to do such a side-by-side comparison predates Aero Snap in Win7 by several years, originating in early Windows stone age OS limitations. For example, I recall using a free ZDNet proggy in Win3.1 (I think it was) that conveniently popped up 2 Windows Explorer windows, stuck together side-by-side, because, well, a lot of people really needed to be able to do that, and it was a darn sight easier to use the freeware proggy than open two separate Windows Explorer instances and try to juggle their two windows side-by-side and keep the two windows ON TOP at the same time. Sheesh.-IainB (June 05, 2015, 01:21 AM)
So Windows 10 is on the way and those of you who own a genuine license for either Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 will be getting the free upgrade on the 29th of July. However, Microsoft had not fully detailed exactly which version of the operating system you would be upgrading to until now.
On a new Windows 10 question and answer page (https://www.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/windows-10-faq), Microsoft tried to answer quite a few common questions about the upcoming upgrade, including details on exactly which version of Windows 10 users will be receiving, as there are quite a few, which we have reported on previously.
http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/operating-systems/matthew-wilson/upgrading-to-windows-10-heres-which-version-you-will-get-for-free/-Stephen66515 (June 05, 2015, 04:20 PM)
http://www.kitguru.net/gaming/operating-systems/matthew-wilson/upgrading-to-windows-10-heres-which-version-you-will-get-for-free/-Stephen66515 (June 05, 2015, 04:20 PM)
Thanks for that. It's good to see Windows 7 starter edition is also included. I never quite liked it on my Acer netbook, so this might be a way of getting rid of it and trying out Win 10 at the same time.-dr_andus (June 05, 2015, 05:34 PM)
I have followed this instruction:Today the update advert ^ was installed on my laptop (and it won't exit),Have you tried this? How to block Windows 10 Upgrade notifications in earlier versions of Windows (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/01/how-to-block-the-windows-10-update-notification-in-earlier-versions-of-windows/)-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)-dr_andus (June 03, 2015, 12:15 PM)Uninstall KB3035583. The next time Windows Update will promote KB3035583, just hide it.Wasn't Windows 10 supposed to be free?http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/all-about-windows-10-upgrade-offer-including-how-get-rid-it.htm (regarding KB3035583) "All About the Windows 10 Upgrade App Including How to Get Rid of it"-superboyac (June 02, 2015, 01:34 PM)-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)-Curt (June 03, 2015, 06:57 PM)
If you are using Windows 7, locate the following updates: 3035583, 2952664, 3021917
If you are using Windows 8, locate the following updates: 3035583, 2976978
Wouldn't it be terribly insulting if you had a brain implant that connected it to the internet and your brain didn't meet the requirements to update to Win 10.-Arizona Hot (June 08, 2015, 10:12 PM)
Wouldn't it be terribly insulting if you had a brain implant that connected it to the internet and your brain didn't meet the requirements to update to Win 10.-Arizona Hot (June 08, 2015, 10:12 PM)
Wouldn't it be terribly insulting if you had a brain implant that connected it to the internet and your brain didn't meet the requirements to update to Win 10.-Arizona Hot (June 08, 2015, 10:12 PM)
What would be worse is having W10 on the brain and only being able to turn off auto-updates by opening up your skull. Maybe there will be a little door with a hinge. The question then is do you use a key or a combination lock? :)-MilesAhead (June 09, 2015, 09:20 AM)
What would be worse is having W10 on the brain and only being able to turn off auto-updates by opening up your skull. Maybe there will be a little door with a hinge. The question then is do you use a key or a combination lock? :)-MilesAhead (June 09, 2015, 09:20 AM)
Both: Microsoft would have one and the government the other. You don't need to access your brain yourself.-ayryq (June 09, 2015, 09:24 AM)
KB 3035583 is in my optional updates since a few weeks now
Old-ish Win7 laptop-rgdot (June 09, 2015, 12:57 AM)
KB 3035583 is in my optional updates since a few weeks now
Old-ish Win7 laptop-rgdot (June 09, 2015, 12:57 AM)
yeah, mine was installed per 20'th of May, and is still installed. I don't know what I removed five days ago!
I have stopped worrying, as I assume version 10 is not installed without my prior acceptance?-Curt (June 11, 2015, 11:08 AM)
Well, I found a fix for those of us who the update notification stubbornly refused to show up. I have tried this method on both of my troublesome laptops and the notification popped up immediately after.
Just copy/paste the updated batch file at the top of this (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-win_upgrade/i-want-to-reserve-my-free-copy-of-windows-10-but-i/848b5cce-958b-49ae-a132-a999a883265b) Microsoft Community web page into your text editor, save it, and run it from an Administrator-enabled command prompt.-Innuendo (June 14, 2015, 11:54 AM)
I tried that and it still wouldn't show up on my Netbook. Now I'm even more certain that it doesn't meet the minimum requirements. :'(-Deozaan (June 15, 2015, 03:32 PM)
I tried that and it still wouldn't show up on my Netbook. Now I'm even more certain that it doesn't meet the minimum requirements. :'(-Deozaan (June 15, 2015, 03:32 PM)
Netbooks are dastardly creations that are the bane of every person everywhere who has to support one of them. One of the criteria of manufacturing a netbook seemed to be to make it barely adequate to run the current Microsoft OS of the time and sometimes they didn't even do that.
I wouldn't have any sort of expectations that your netbook will be able to ever run anything except for the OS it left the factory with.-Innuendo (June 17, 2015, 12:23 PM)
Considering mine left the factory with Linpus installed, it's done fine running both XP and 8.1 Pro. Might try cramming 7HP on it now just to see if it'll upgrade to 10, (it's back on XP since I wanted the 8.1 licence to use elsewhere).-4wd (June 17, 2015, 06:59 PM)
The Insider program for Windows 10 is changing in the run up to the first stable release. Currently, preview builds are all automatically opted in to the Insider Program (obviously; that's the only way to even get them). When Windows 10 is launched, that changes: at that point, the Insider Program becomes opt-in. To opt in, users will have to have a Microsoft account that's registered with the Insider Program, and they'll have to use that Microsoft account with their PC. This change will take effect in the next public build: without a suitably registered Microsoft account, that build will be upgradable to the final release on July 29, and from there on out be restricted to regular, stable builds.
This does, of course, impose some limitations on the "free" install process. In particular, it's unlikely that build 10130 or the other pre-release will be installable and activatable forever, so the window for getting onto the train is limited.
None of that makes sense to me.
The Insider Program is already opt-in. :huh:-Deozaan (June 20, 2015, 02:32 AM)
What I can see here is it seems like a ridiculously easy way to get from the crippled non-Pro versions of XP/Vista to 10 Pro possibly. Anyway, I'm going to install it on the netbook just for laughs and will see what'll happen on July 30 :)-4wd (June 20, 2015, 03:09 AM)
You may have a pretty good shot of it working what with MS trying their best to write Windows 10 so it will not only work on desktops and laptops, but tablets as well.
I have a feeling it will all depend upon your netbook. Some netbook manufacturers put the equivalent of a basic laptop inside a netbook shell. Other manufacturers took....cheaper routes and went with more basic components.-Innuendo (June 20, 2015, 10:37 AM)
Anyway, I'm going to install it on the netbook just for laughs and will see what'll happen on July 30 :)-4wd (June 20, 2015, 03:09 AM)
Anyway, I'm going to install it on the netbook just for laughs and will see what'll happen on July 30 :)-4wd (June 20, 2015, 03:09 AM)
You may have a pretty good shot of it working what with MS trying their best to write Windows 10 so it will not only work on desktops and laptops, but tablets as well.-Innuendo (June 20, 2015, 10:37 AM)
I'm currently at 49%, upgrading from Windows 7. (~1.2Ghz, 1GB RAM, 120GB SSD, so barely meets/exceeds minimum specs.)
I ran the installer from within Windows 7 (as opposed to booting from the ISO and installing from there).-Deozaan (June 21, 2015, 01:04 AM)
It finished installing!-Deozaan (June 21, 2015, 02:22 AM)
AFAIK, the apps need at least a 1024x768 screen, for the old 1024x600 netbooks you need to enable downscaling.-4wd (June 21, 2015, 02:48 AM)
I haven't had to sign in with my Microsoft account. I guess that's due to it being an upgrade from an existing Windows 7 installation.-Deozaan (June 21, 2015, 02:22 AM)
Pretty much identical to my Acer Aspire One ZG5 except I'm using a ZIF PATA drive because it was the first model only available with Linpus on an 8GB ZIF SSD, (AOA110).-4wd (June 21, 2015, 04:50 AM)
even though I have a license key for Win 8 Pro, I have never even tried Win 8, mainly because I was told I would have to create a Microsoft Account and log in to it!-Curt (June 24, 2015, 03:01 AM)
even though I have a license key for Win 8 Pro, I have never even tried Win 8, mainly because I was told I would have to create a Microsoft Account and log in to it!-Curt (June 24, 2015, 03:01 AM)
there was a workaround for Win.8 - but they certainly made it seem as if you *had* to connect with that MS account. IIRC, it was a case of first accepting and then in the next step there was an opt-out option.
No idea if it's easier with 10.-tomos (June 24, 2015, 05:59 AM)
^That little tip cost me half an hour of befuddled fiddling.-Stoic Joker (June 24, 2015, 06:55 AM)
for a clean install if you want to use local accounts, you have to select the Company Owned Computer option. If you select the It's My Computer option, it's MS Live accounts only (during the OOBE).
if you click the wrong one, there is no way to backup
10 has an odd habit of trying to login in with a "default" account for which there is no known/available password. The only way out of that little mess is to - quite counter intuitively - select "Cancel Login".-Stoic Joker (June 24, 2015, 06:55 AM)
^That little tip cost me half an hour of befuddled fiddling.-Stoic Joker (June 24, 2015, 06:55 AM)
I found out when I later upgraded another PC to 10, that this had the annoying effect of syncing my wallpaper across PC's. If that's the most annoying problem I run in to (and there's a way to turn it off) I can live with that.-ayryq (June 24, 2015, 08:37 AM)
-made my stomach so uneasy that I totally lost my courage.-Curt (June 24, 2015, 07:33 AM)
According to dxdiag, the CPU is an Intel Atom N270 @ ~1.6Ghz, which is higher than I thought. DxDiag also says the system model is MS-N031, which I do see in small print on the sticker underneath, nearby the much larger U120 printed on the same sticker.-Deozaan (June 21, 2015, 03:31 AM)
According to dxdiag, the CPU is an Intel Atom N270 @ ~1.6Ghz, which is higher than I thought. DxDiag also says the system model is MS-N031, which I do see in small print on the sticker underneath, nearby the much larger U120 printed on the same sticker.-Deozaan (June 21, 2015, 03:31 AM)
I installed Win8.1 Pro from scratch and have fully updated it but the Win 10 notifier updates don't even appear as downloads. Seems strange that Win10 won't install since 8.1 runs fine on it but I'm guessing it's something BIOS related, (I've got the last modded BIOS version), so unless someone has any ideas about what specifically are the requirements of 10 as opposed to 8.1, (posts I've seen all refer back to the Win8 Upgrade Assistant for testing to see if Win10 will install), I'm out of luck on the netbook it seems.-4wd (June 24, 2015, 09:17 PM)
It may be the GPU/onboard video. Have you seen this page of the system specification/minimum requirements (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications)?-Deozaan (June 25, 2015, 01:08 AM)
It may be the GPU/onboard video. Have you seen this page of the system specification/minimum requirements (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-specifications)?-Deozaan (June 25, 2015, 01:08 AM)
It's the same hardware as your netbook, Atom N270, Intel® 945GSE chipset with GMA950 Gfx.
They list exactly the same requirements for Windows 8.1 (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/system-requirements) (actually more: PAE, NX, and SSE2), which it's running.-4wd (June 25, 2015, 01:55 AM)
I guess it's not a huge deal, though. On July 29th the notifier will show up for everyone regardless as it has a Windows 10 compatibility checker built-in so people can see if their PC is up to running the new OS.-Innuendo (June 27, 2015, 08:20 AM)
I never could get the Reserve Windows 10 (from Windows Update) to show up on the netbook.-Deozaan (June 25, 2015, 02:01 AM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg384002#msg384002))interesting acticle -
FAQ: How Microsoft will update Windows 10 Computerworld (http://www.computerworld.com/article/2935611/microsoft-windows/faq-how-microsoft-will-update-windows-10.html)-Arizona Hot (June 27, 2015, 08:03 PM)
Whether it's because Microsoft wants to expand feedback (its rationale) or simply wants to shift the testing burden from its engineers to users (the cynic's view), the company will employ customers to shake out bugs more than ever before.
The company hasn't been shy about saying so. "Enterprises will be able to receive feature updates after their quality and application compatibility has been assessed in the consumer market," Jim Alkove, director of program management for Microsoft's enterprise group, said in a January blog post.
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I think it's just the principle of the thing, since the success of the reservation offer seems to be quite random. ...And some of us just don't deal with random all that well. :D-Stoic Joker (June 27, 2015, 11:11 AM)
I am an IT security professional with a degree, dang it! I will not be out-smarted by a software upgrade offer!!! ;)-Innuendo (June 28, 2015, 12:33 PM)
Build 10158 for PCs (http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/7522-announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10158-pcs.html)-MilesAhead (June 30, 2015, 05:42 AM)
Build 10158 for PCs (http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/7522-announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10158-pcs.html)-MilesAhead (June 30, 2015, 05:42 AM)
Oh FFS! ...The icon for their "All New" MS Edge browser, is a $^%#& Blue 'E'!!?! Seriously??!!??-Stoic Joker (June 30, 2015, 11:09 AM)
Build 10158 for PCs (http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/7522-announcing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-10158-pcs.html)-MilesAhead (June 30, 2015, 05:42 AM)
Oh FFS! ...The icon for their "All New" MS Edge browser, is a $^%#& Blue 'E'!!?! Seriously??!!??-Stoic Joker (June 30, 2015, 11:09 AM)
Oh FFS! ...The icon for their "All New" MS Edge browser, is a $^%#& Blue 'E'!!?! Seriously??!!??-Stoic Joker (June 30, 2015, 11:09 AM)
You have to understand what decades of a blue E has done to the minds of the simple users, the ones that the rest of us wonder how they ever managed to turn a computer on. To them, the blue E means the internet.-app103 (June 30, 2015, 12:28 PM)
Anyone know how to get Windows 10 to update immediately? I've checked for updates and it often says "We found updates, we'll download them later."
Uh, no. Now is good for me, thanks. But I can't seem to find the option to force it to download now.
I'm on the fast ring, with "Delay Updates" disabled.-Deozaan (July 01, 2015, 01:18 AM)
Anyone know how to get Windows 10 to update immediately? I've checked for updates and it often says "We found updates, we'll download them later."-Deozaan (July 01, 2015, 01:18 AM)
I've got 3 Win 10 VMs here at the office. One I'd left running and it had it (10158) ready to go yesterday morning. I just fired up one of the others, hit check for updates, and it came up with another newer build (10159) yesterday.
Maybe your check fell in between the build updates that were oddly (emergency?) close together?-Stoic Joker (July 01, 2015, 06:49 AM)
Since one of our lab machines won't upgrade from 10130 (failed 3 times), I'm experimenting with this now:
http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-turn-your-windows-10-upgrade-into-an-iso/
Fairly quick and easy way to create a current ISO.-Stoic Joker (July 01, 2015, 08:44 AM)
Build 10159 (http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/7580-whoa-another-windows-10-pc-build-build-10159-a.html)-MilesAhead (July 01, 2015, 09:57 AM)
Build 10159 (http://www.tenforums.com/windows-10-news/7580-whoa-another-windows-10-pc-build-build-10159-a.html)-MilesAhead (July 01, 2015, 09:57 AM)
Bit late on that news ... Scroll ^up^ to 7:45 this morning. :D-Stoic Joker (July 01, 2015, 11:09 AM)
Hi everyone,
We have one more surprise for you this week – Build 10162, releasing to the Fast ring.
We’re at the point in the development of Windows 10 where nearly every build is getting out to our internal rings, and passing the criteria for release to Windows Insiders. We’re focused at this point on bug fixing and final polish, so it’s much easier for each build to get all the way through than earlier in the cycle when we’re adding big new features. So now we find ourselves in a great situation, with an abundance of build candidates. We’re deciding how long to let each build stay with Windows Insiders so you can really exercise them and send feedback on any problems that you’re hitting. I know many of you have said you’d love daily builds, but it is actually important sometimes to get a few days on a build so that all of the code that does deferred work (like OneDrive sync, search indexing, background updating, etc.) can run and we can get feedback and error reports.
We just released Build 10159 with our new wallpaper and logon UI on Tuesday, but this is a holiday weekend in the US and we thought that some of you might want to get an even fresher build on your PCs to play with over the long weekend. Build 10162 is another great one. In fact, our testing and internal telemetry metrics show it has better reliability, performance, battery life, and compatibility than any Windows 10 Insider Preview build so far.
We haven’t forgotten about Windows Insiders in the Slow ring either – we’re looking at Build 10162 as a candidate and unless we see any issues emerge in the Fast ring we’ll look to publish it to Slow (with ISOs) early next week.
We’re getting close now! We hope you’re as excited as we are about how Windows 10 is shaping up.
Thanks,
g-Microsoft's Gabe Aul, on the Windows blog
Anyone else have problems with Windows Update saying "Downloading updates 0%" forever? Is the download so huge that an hour later it is still at 0%?
I finally managed to get my netbook to show some progress, but it interrupted itself and said it couldn't install some updates because some updates were being installed. Then it said it might help if I reboot. I rebooted, and Windows Update told me the same thing again, so this time I clicked retry and now it says "Preparing to install updates 35%" and has been "stuck" there for quite a while.
But my VM with Windows 10 is still at 0% and has been for about an hour.
EDIT: Just after I submitted this, I went to the VM and clicked around a bit and went back to Windows Update and it refreshed the screen and now it's saying 24%. So maybe it just sometimes has problems updating the progress bar or percentage/text while it's doing its thing.-Deozaan (July 02, 2015, 04:30 PM)
Build 10162 just released to fast ring-Stoic Joker (July 02, 2015, 05:03 PM)
I wonder if some people will have to threaten to sue Microsoft to keep the Win 10 virus out of their computer or whether it won't take no for an answer. Did Microsoft really learn their lesson with Windows 8? If it is going to be free for a year, does that mean they expect it to be buggy for that long?-Arizona Hot (July 03, 2015, 04:37 AM)
Something's bothering me, if they're only a month away, I'd hope it was rock solid! But it all still sounds like there are fundamental basic bugs going on!-TaoPhoenix (July 03, 2015, 02:13 PM)
Something's bothering me, if they're only a month away, I'd hope it was rock solid! But it all still sounds like there are fundamental basic bugs going on!
Ps I wish Mark Russinovich was still on our side! He'd have a few useful things to say! But he's squirreled away into Microsoft now! : (-TaoPhoenix (July 03, 2015, 02:13 PM)
Has anyone else had activation issues with 10?-Stoic Joker (July 03, 2015, 06:42 AM)
Has anyone else had activation issues with 10? All 5 of mine were activated up to build 10158, but even after switching to the updated key, neither build 10159 or 10162 will activate for me.-Stoic Joker (July 03, 2015, 06:42 AM)
As a former AOL user and all the experiences I had with upgrading to their new releases, I would recommend waiting at least 4 months after public release, before upgrading to Win10. By then you'll have enough reports of issues to know what you'll be getting yourself into, enough official info on what to do about common issues, and Microsoft will have had a chance to fix the big, potentially fatal ones.-app103 (July 03, 2015, 02:31 PM)
I've always been a Day One (or before) adopter of Microsoft OSes and historically speaking, their RTM releases are rock solid out of the box.-Innuendo (July 04, 2015, 10:01 AM)
I've always been a Day One (or before) adopter of Microsoft OSes and historically speaking, their RTM releases are rock solid out of the box.-Innuendo (July 04, 2015, 10:01 AM)
I've always been a Day One (or before) adopter of Microsoft OSes and historically speaking, their RTM releases are rock solid out of the box.-Innuendo (July 04, 2015, 10:01 AM)
Perhaps the difference on Vista is due to the fact I bought HP "Media Center" towers. The HD was totally hogged by Windows Media Player running mobsync.exe to test if every file in the system was a media file. Also if you installed from retail media I am sure you were better off than buying a machine preloaded. Between Norton AV and mobsync trying to take over the machine it was totally useless out of the box. Later I got another tower running Vista x64 SP1 and it was fine.
Just for grins I compared the state of the system services of the SP1 machine to the system without a service pack after I was done tweaking. All the settings were exactly the same except 2. They fixed the usability quotiont quite a bit with the SP.-MilesAhead (July 04, 2015, 01:07 PM)
Could ProcessTamer have worked there?
Then you can have some cpu cycles left to fix it with?-TaoPhoenix (July 04, 2015, 04:41 PM)
Perhaps the difference on Vista is due to the fact I bought HP "Media Center" towers. The HD was totally hogged by Windows Media Player running mobsync.exe to test if every file in the system was a media file. Also if you installed from retail media I am sure you were better off than buying a machine preloaded. Between Norton AV and mobsync trying to take over the machine it was totally useless out of the box. Later I got another tower running Vista x64 SP1 and it was fine.-MilesAhead (July 04, 2015, 01:07 PM)
Perhaps the difference on Vista is due to the fact I bought HP "Media Center" towers. The HD was totally hogged by Windows Media Player running mobsync.exe to test if every file in the system was a media file. Also if you installed from retail media I am sure you were better off than buying a machine preloaded. Between Norton AV and mobsync trying to take over the machine it was totally useless out of the box. Later I got another tower running Vista x64 SP1 and it was fine.-MilesAhead (July 04, 2015, 01:07 PM)
Vista was a little sluggish when it was first released. It didn't crash, but it was uncharacteristically slow. Once SP1 came out, Microsoft got performance up to where it was supposed to be. Couple that with the shovelware that most OEMs cram on their machines in order to maximize revenue then it's no surprise you felt like you were trying to run in molasses.-Innuendo (July 05, 2015, 09:50 AM)
**Minor caveat when running the Sysinternals SDelete.exe tool (https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897443.aspx), is that in the process of "Zeroing Out the Free Space" it will cause a Dynamically Expanding .vhdx to expand to its full configured size. So if you're overlapping the physical drive space by double-booking it ... This will byte you in the ass.-Stoic Joker (July 05, 2015, 08:43 AM)
No additional software was ever added to the install, so it is only Windows 10 playing games with ~5GB of space. Where is it storing what and why?? The clean install has been running for 24hrs, and is still sitting at it's original ~7GB so I'm assuming it isn't the indexing service(s) using up the space. And trying to get a birds eye view with SpaceSniffer didn't yield anything useful in the way of what was using the space either.-Stoic Joker (July 05, 2015, 08:43 AM)
**Minor caveat when running the Sysinternals SDelete.exe tool (https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897443.aspx), is that in the process of "Zeroing Out the Free Space" it will cause a Dynamically Expanding .vhdx to expand to its full configured size. So if you're overlapping the physical drive space by double-booking it ... This will byte you in the ass.-Stoic Joker (July 05, 2015, 08:43 AM)
Would using cipher /W <drive> be any better?-4wd (July 05, 2015, 10:10 PM)
No additional software was ever added to the install, so it is only Windows 10 playing games with ~5GB of space. Where is it storing what and why?? The clean install has been running for 24hrs, and is still sitting at it's original ~7GB so I'm assuming it isn't the indexing service(s) using up the space. And trying to get a birds eye view with SpaceSniffer didn't yield anything useful in the way of what was using the space either.-Stoic Joker (July 05, 2015, 08:43 AM)
My guess is that it keeps separate "images" (snapshots) so it can revert to a known working system if an upgrade goes bad.-Deozaan (July 06, 2015, 12:57 AM)
Even if Windows 10 is a success, Windows 13 will still be doomed. At least with that number.-Arizona Hot (July 14, 2015, 11:47 AM)
Even if Windows 10 is a success, Windows 13 will still be doomed. At least with that number.-Arizona Hot (July 14, 2015, 11:47 AM)
They will skip it, of course :D-rgdot (July 14, 2015, 11:58 AM)
Even if Windows 10 is a success, Windows 13 will still be doomed. At least with that number.-Arizona Hot (July 14, 2015, 11:47 AM)
They will skip it, of course :D-rgdot (July 14, 2015, 11:58 AM)
When the insider program has the message that it's over (close to launch...), does this mean installing the last build on a pc for first time won't work or?-rgdot (July 15, 2015, 05:29 PM)
When the insider program has the message that it's over (close to launch...), does this mean installing the last build on a pc for first time won't work or?-rgdot (July 15, 2015, 05:29 PM)
It is my understanding you need to either have W10 on already, so you can get the latest via update, or download the iso images from the net someplace. I don't think MS has yet released iso for 10240 build.
If you can find an iso for 10166 with license key and put it on you will likely get the update for 10240. The other guys at www.tenforums.com would know more than I.-MilesAhead (July 15, 2015, 06:14 PM)
Damn if I can remember where I read it, but I got the impression that the Insider Program was not per se ending. Supposedly due to the - new and ominous - subscription based nature of Windows the brave few idiots were going to be able to test the new update wave(s) as they came about for the rest of the folks what use Winders..-Stoic Joker (July 16, 2015, 06:46 AM)
Am I the only one for whom jump-list (both pinned and frequent) items on the File Explorer taskbar icon do not work? I "pin" all sorts of things and none of them—except "This PC"—open File Explorer or do anything. The same items in the "Quick Access" sidebar work fine, though. This has been the case for the last half-dozen builds or so… not quite sure when it started.
It's the sort of really frustrating bug that I'd think would have been commented on (and fixed) if it were common.-ayryq (July 12, 2015, 06:20 AM)
Damn if I can remember where I read it, but I got the impression that the Insider Program was not per se ending. Supposedly due to the - new and ominous - subscription based nature of Windows the brave few idiots were going to be able to test the new update wave(s) as they came about for the rest of the folks what use Winders..-Stoic Joker (July 16, 2015, 06:46 AM)
Am I the only one for whom jump-list (both pinned and frequent) items on the File Explorer taskbar icon do not work? I "pin" all sorts of things and none of them—except "This PC"—open File Explorer or do anything. The same items in the "Quick Access" sidebar work fine, though. This has been the case for the last half-dozen builds or so… not quite sure when it started.
It's the sort of really frustrating bug that I'd think would have been commented on (and fixed) if it were common.-ayryq (July 12, 2015, 06:20 AM)
Let me rephrase. Can anyone confirm (or deny) that File Explorer jump lists work in their copy of Windows 10, any build?-ayryq (July 16, 2015, 07:20 AM)
Let me rephrase. Can anyone confirm (or deny) that File Explorer jump lists work in their copy of Windows 10, any build?I've got 5 Win10 VMs running currently and they all work fine (both pinned and frequent).-ayryq (July 16, 2015, 07:20 AM)-Stoic Joker (July 16, 2015, 11:46 AM)
Let me rephrase. Can anyone confirm (or deny) that File Explorer jump lists work in their copy of Windows 10, any build?I've got 5 Win10 VMs running currently and they all work fine (both pinned and frequent).-ayryq (July 16, 2015, 07:20 AM)-Stoic Joker (July 16, 2015, 11:46 AM)
Thank you for replying. I wonder if I'm going to have to reinstall from scratch to fix this. Hope not!-ayryq (July 16, 2015, 12:18 PM)
Is it just me or does 10240(?) no longer show the build number in the corner of the screen anymore? How am I supposed to know what build I'm on without that thing? :(
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Mine seem to work as well.-Deozaan (July 16, 2015, 02:26 PM)
Next screen is Windows version screen. We can tell you the way to this application if you never tried earlier. Just type winver in Run box.-https://www.pyarb.com/windows/windows10/th1-professional-10240-windows-10-no-preview.html
I found this link which says it's normal for build 10240 to not show the build watermark,-Deozaan (July 16, 2015, 03:31 PM)
The 101240 OOBE has a whole new feel (and EULA Acceptance) to it.
...I haven't made it to the desktop yet.-Stoic Joker (July 17, 2015, 11:54 AM)
The 101240 OOBE has a whole new feel (and EULA Acceptance) to it.-Stoic Joker (July 17, 2015, 11:54 AM)
Anyone got a link to the EULA? I got careless and clicked through it without reading it, thinking it was the same one I accepted when I signed up for the Windows Insider Program.-Deozaan (July 17, 2015, 02:59 PM)
Maybe Deozaan is all three options...as these do not exclude each other.
But I guess I don't want to deal a masochistic lawyer with a (sick) sense of humor... :P-Shades (July 17, 2015, 06:47 PM)
Anyone got a link to the EULA? I got careless and clicked through it without reading it, thinking it was the same one I accepted when I signed up for the Windows Insider Program.-Deozaan (July 17, 2015, 02:59 PM)
I thought the whole idea was that nobody could read those. Are you an attorney, masochist, or joking? :)-MilesAhead (July 17, 2015, 03:15 PM)
Curiouser still, the Windows Insider Preview .iso download page is now disabled.-Stoic Joker (July 18, 2015, 10:33 AM)
According to this GHacks Article (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/17/confirmed-windows-10-home-users-to-receive-forced-updates/) Windows 10 Home Users will have to agree to forced automatic updates when clicking the EULA on reboot.
At the end of the article it goes on to say that at the moment(as in RTM build 10240) it is still possible to set the Windows Update Service to Disabled.
I have a feeling that disable-ability will either be removed or bypassed.
It is for your protection. :)-MilesAhead (July 20, 2015, 10:25 AM)
According to this GHacks Article (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/17/confirmed-windows-10-home-users-to-receive-forced-updates/) Windows 10 Home Users will have to agree to forced automatic updates when clicking the EULA on reboot.
At the end of the article it goes on to say that at the moment(as in RTM build 10240) it is still possible to set the Windows Update Service to Disabled.
I have a feeling that disable-ability will either be removed or bypassed.
It is for your protection. :)-MilesAhead (July 20, 2015, 10:25 AM)
Well, yeah ...
Which is why I'm a little confused. Win8 had "funny" UI Metro issues, but it was still its own OS.
This whole "Updates will happen. Resistance is futile" going all Neo-Borg is what has us all nervous, because we're just waiting for the first big "oops" moment of it all.-TaoPhoenix (July 20, 2015, 03:55 PM)
This whole "Updates will happen. Resistance is futile" going all Neo-Borg is what has us all nervous, because we're just waiting for the first big "oops" moment of it all.-TaoPhoenix (July 20, 2015, 03:55 PM)
According to an updated support document (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle) published to Microsoft’s site, the company will offer “mainstream support” for Windows 10 through October 13, 2020, and “extended support” (that is, how long you can expect Microsoft to issue Windows 10 security fixes) through October 14, 2025.
For those keeping score at home, the five-year mainstream support and ten-year extended support periods are more or less in line with the support cycles for Windows Vista, 7, and 8, so you won’t be cut off early, support-wise, with Windows 10.-http://www.pcworld.com/article/2949826/windows/microsoft-makes-it-official-windows-10-will-receive-security-fixes-for-ten-years.html
I hope some volunteers take on the task of providing Vista/W7 support in perpetuity because if they really go ahead with all this cloud business I think it really will be the last version of Windows. Either that or we can try to make various Linux distros look exactly like Windows or even OS/2. Heh heh.-MilesAhead (July 20, 2015, 05:28 PM)
I read somewhere (can't remember where) that Windows 10 will officially be supported until 2020, with long-term support going until 2025.
That sounds very much like the life cycle of all past editions of Windows. So what's up with that? :huh:
I'll try to find the link again.
EDIT: Found it!
...-Deozaan (July 20, 2015, 07:18 PM)
tabs in Explorer:-Curt (July 23, 2015, 12:54 PM)
the title of this thread is "Windows 10 Announced", not like "Have you tried the beta versions of Windows 10?"
I don't install beta versions of anything.
Further more, you all have debated it as if everybody knows it, but not really telling what it can do.
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Sorry, that first answer was much too hasty and rude. :-[
The case is, (I have not tried Windows 8, and) I still know nothing about Windows 10 Explorer.-Curt (July 23, 2015, 03:15 PM)
Did any of you guys test Win 10 with Quizo tabs? :tellme:-Curt (July 23, 2015, 12:54 PM)
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Thanks Curt. I will try this on my 32-bit Win 7 along with Paragon Backup before sacrificing it on the altar of Win 10.-Arizona Hot (July 25, 2015, 11:51 AM)
I have had problems with Paragon Drive Backup making a backup capsule where it messed up my partition table information on a Vista x64 machine-MilesAhead (July 25, 2015, 06:00 PM)
So I am not a Macrium fanboy just bashing it.-MilesAhead (July 25, 2015, 06:00 PM)
So I am not a Macrium fanboy just bashing it.-MilesAhead (July 25, 2015, 06:00 PM)
I presume you don't use any Macrosoft programs anymore.-Arizona Hot (July 26, 2015, 12:12 AM)
Windows 10 what you need to know before you upgrade - gHacks Tech News-Arizona Hot (July 27, 2015, 11:10 PM)
Windows 10 Prices
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/06/02/windows-10-what-you-need-to-know-before-you-upgrade/
If you plan to purchase Windows 10, for instance to install it on a new PC or to upgrade a non-genuine version of Windows to a genuine-one, then you may be interested in the retail pricing of the operating system.
Windows 10 Home will be available for $119.
Windows 10 Pro is priced at $199.
Upgrades from Home to Pro are available for $99.
Update: Microsoft Germany announced the price for Windows 10 Home and Pro that customers buy directly. The price of Windows 10 Home is €135 (currently 148 US Dollar) and that of Windows 10 Pro €279 (currently $305 US Dollar)
It is interesting to note that it is cheaper currently to purchase Windows 7 or Windows 8 instead to perform the free upgrade to Windows 10 in the first year than to purchase Windows 10 outright.
Amazon for instance lists system builder editions of Windows 7 Professional 64-bit and Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit for $134 and $131 respectively so that you'd save about $60.
Please note that it means an additional step during installation as you need to install the operating system that you have bought first before you can upgrade to Windows 10. If you buy Windows 10 directly, you will save that step.
Update 16/07/2015 windows 10 10240 rtm is released for windows insiders
by philipyip
You cannot clean install initially otherwise you pass up your free upgrade
Upgrade to windows 10 via windows update or beginning the windows 10 setup within the windows 10 desktop. This will register your device as a windows 10 device and you may then create a recovery drive and clean install.
From my extensive testing of the new Microsoft Product Testing introduced into Microsoft Windows 10 RTM I can tell you the following:
◾Direct clean installation from Windows 10 Installation Media, skipping product key twice or using the generic key leads to an unactivated product.
◾Using the .iso to upgrade from the Windows Desktop will only allow activated versions of Windows to release the license agreement screen. This only allows Activated versions of Windows 7, Windows 8.1 or Windows 10 Insider 10130.
◾For Windows Insiders Windows 10130 is then updated to Windows 10162 via Windows Update and this is updated via Windows Update to Windows 10240 (RTM) .
◾Once the initial upgrade to Windows 10240 is complete the device is registered to Microsoft as a Windows 10 Device.
◾Once a device is registered, you may create a Recovery Drive and Clean Install.
◾The Recovery Drive may be used on other devices but you will encounter Microsoft Product Activation issues if the device isn’t initially upgraded via Windows Update and Registered as a Windows 10 10240 RTM device.
◾The product activation is tied to the device. You can reinstall using a different Microsoft Account or Local Account and the device will activate.
◾You may change minor hardware such as a SSD/HDD and clean install. I changed from a SSD to HDD for a quick test and Microsoft Product Activation was applied.
◾It seems Windows Insiders with Build 10130 will be passed as eligible to reach Windows 10 RTM even those who lacked a Windows 7/8.1 Base license. Those who look to join the Windows 10 Insider program after the Windows 10130 .isos have been removed will not be able to install and activate Windows 10 Insider 10240 RTM.
If you plan to purchase Windows 10, for instance to install it on a new PC or to upgrade a non-genuine version of Windows to a genuine-one, then you may be interested in the retail pricing of the operating system.
Windows 10 Home will be available for $119.
Windows 10 Pro is priced at $199.
Upgrades from Home to Pro are available for $99.-Arizona Hot (July 27, 2015, 11:10 PM)
Hm... I paid Microsoft merely $30 for 64-bits Windows 8 Professional. What a price increase!-Curt (July 28, 2015, 01:54 AM)
Maybe KB2952664 was the reason why Win 10 failed to install on my machine?-Curt (July 28, 2015, 11:25 AM)
KB2952664 installed perfectly fine for me the first time I tried. It didn't give me any trouble.-Deozaan (July 28, 2015, 11:40 AM)
KB2952664 installed perfectly fine for me the first time I tried. It didn't give me any trouble.-Deozaan (July 28, 2015, 11:40 AM)
As did mine appear to. Then it added itself to the list again, and again... If I have time I'll post a screen shot when I get home...the damn thing is quite literally listed in history as having been successfully installed five times (in a row).-Stoic Joker (July 28, 2015, 12:49 PM)
Maybe KB2952664 was the reason why Win 10 failed to install on my machine?-Curt (July 28, 2015, 11:25 AM)
How did you get an upgrade prompt already?? Is it tomorrow in you part of the world?-Stoic Joker (July 28, 2015, 12:49 PM)
... I decided that maybe Curt hadn't yet even installed the "Reserve your Windows 10 today!" thing yet, and that it was that.-Deozaan (July 28, 2015, 12:53 PM)
I don't think it's weird they began upgrading several hours before midnight; they are serving quite a lot of machines.-Curt (July 28, 2015, 03:49 PM)
I don't think it's weird they began upgrading several hours before midnight; they are serving quite a lot of machines.-Curt (July 28, 2015, 03:49 PM)
Okay, so you are in a part of the world where it's tomorrow already then ... Yes?
How many hours before midnight are we talking here??? :D-Stoic Joker (July 28, 2015, 04:39 PM)
Back to thumb-twiddling mode.-4wd (July 28, 2015, 09:59 PM)
Did any Microsoft OS really hum out of the box? I think the only ones I know of are Win2000 and possibly Win98.-TaoPhoenix (July 28, 2015, 10:16 PM)
Hm... So I can either 'manually' download Windows 10, and have it now ... Or, I can wait for the reservation to take forever to get on with it.-Stoic Joker (July 29, 2015, 08:47 AM)
I can either 'manually' download Windows 10, and have it now-Stoic Joker (July 29, 2015, 08:47 AM)
http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10-Curt (July 29, 2015, 10:37 AM)
Just finished my installation on a second computer, and once again, File Explorer jump lists don't work, this time except for network shares. :huh:-ayryq (July 29, 2015, 11:19 AM)
Just finished my installation on a second computer, and once again, File Explorer jump lists don't work, this time except for network shares. :huh:-ayryq (July 29, 2015, 11:19 AM)
Do they appear and clicking them doesn't do anything, or do they not appear at all?
Are they customized (you manually added something to the jump list) or are they the ones that are automatically added to the jump list?-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 11:31 AM)
Has anyone successfully upgraded through Windows Update? I got over 75% of the way through the upgrade process (to the "configuring settings" part of it) and then my computer rebooted and said "restoring to your previous version of Windows" and now I'm on Windows 7 again.-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 12:19 PM)
By the way, Windows 10 seems to come with P2P updates built in. I'm not sure if the default is to have you serve downloads for other users over the internet or if I changed the setting to over the network sometime when I didn't realize what it means, but...-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 01:11 PM)
By the way, Windows 10 seems to come with P2P updates built in. I'm not sure if the default is to have you serve downloads for other users over the internet or if I changed the setting to over the network sometime when I didn't realize what it means, but...-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 01:11 PM)
On my fresh upgrade, the final option ("PCs on my local network and PCs on the Internet") was selected.-ayryq (July 29, 2015, 01:19 PM)
With Win 10 there are incredible many boxes where I recommend to click the opposite of what is the default.-Curt (July 29, 2015, 01:39 PM)
The first serious problem was that Windows wouldn't accept my bi-language Win 7 installation, so to speak. First it was English, then I installed a Danish version on top. It used to work fine, but Win 10 said that now I had chosen (rubbish; I was never given any choice!) to install a Danish Win 10 version and I would therefore loose all my third party programs. ALL of them!!!-Curt (July 29, 2015, 01:39 PM)
Right now I envy Deozaan ("restoring to your previous version of Windows")!-Curt (July 29, 2015, 01:39 PM)
... since Windows 7 won't really allow you to move your User directory to another drive, I did the Next Best ThingTM and moved as much as I could to another drive and then used SymLinks/Junctions...-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 03:08 PM)
By the way, Windows 10 seems to come with P2P updates built in. I'm not sure if the default is to have you serve downloads for other users over the internet or if I changed the setting to over the network sometime when I didn't realize what it means, but...-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 01:11 PM)
On my fresh upgrade, the final option ("PCs on my local network and PCs on the Internet") was selected.-ayryq (July 29, 2015, 01:19 PM)
That sounds like bad news for people who have data caps set by their ISPs. :down:-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 01:29 PM)
It really is a weird feeling being unable to find AppData-Curt (July 29, 2015, 04:20 PM)
It really is a weird feeling being unable to find AppData-Curt (July 29, 2015, 04:20 PM)
Use either of these:
go to: C:\Users\[username]\AppData
or from anywhere just put %AppData% in the address bar, hit enter and you're there.
I typically use the first one for remote machines, and the second one locally.-Stoic Joker (July 29, 2015, 05:06 PM)
You seem to already have forgotten that I was reduced to being a simple user, not in command.-Curt (July 29, 2015, 05:18 PM)
What happens when you type AppData in? You should still have a data folder unless you are Guest.-MilesAhead (July 29, 2015, 05:28 PM)
I finally got Windows 10 to install...-Deozaan (July 29, 2015, 05:37 PM)
What happens when you type AppData in? You should still have a data folder unless you are Guest.-MilesAhead (July 29, 2015, 05:28 PM)
I only get the Windows.old's AppData.
But now I have found my AppData; it was just hidden - and at first I couldn't figure out where to 'unhide' it (because I come from Win 7, I am not used to "Ribbon"). Now I have it visible but 'dimmed'. I still need to be the boss of my computer.-Curt (July 29, 2015, 05:43 PM)
Apparently they're still checking to see if it'll work on one of my computers, (even though it's already running 8.1 which has the same requirements).
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg385829#msg385829))
And I really doubt it's going to install on the other, (my old netbook), but I think I'll force the issue somewhat by grabbing the ISO 8)
Just clicked on the SysTray icon on the netbook, (that wouldn't install the previews), and it tells me that "This PC is compatible."
Time for some fun and games.-4wd (July 29, 2015, 06:42 PM)
Apparently they're still checking to see if it'll work on one of my computers, (even though it's already running 8.1 which has the same requirements).
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg385829#msg385829))
And I really doubt it's going to install on the other, (my old netbook), but I think I'll force the issue somewhat by grabbing the ISO 8)
Just clicked on the SysTray icon on the netbook, (that wouldn't install the previews), and it tells me that "This PC is compatible."
Time for some fun and games.-4wd (July 29, 2015, 06:42 PM)
And please tell us!-TaoPhoenix (July 29, 2015, 08:03 PM)
Instead of the ribbon they should have a "context menu" but with a horizontal menu that pops up above the mouse. That way if you have to do an extra click at least you save the space by avoiding a toolbar just to have one ribbon button.-MilesAhead (July 29, 2015, 06:46 PM)
>Edge displays "This website needs Internet Explorer" message<
This happens due to this due to compatibility issues with some of the websites. Microsoft Edge browser in Windows 10 doe not support ActiveX, Silverlight, Java, JavaScript or some other legacy technology. So if you visit a website that uses such technologies which are not supported by Edge, then you will see this message.
In such cases, you should click on Open with Internet Explorer. The web page will open with IE.
Maybe I really should try Edge instead of automatically replacing it with my usual browser?-Curt (July 30, 2015, 04:19 AM)
I ran into an interesting annoyance with the combination of Office 2013 and Windows 10 today. Normally I keep Outlook running but minimized so I can see the popup -(was a balloon from the tray, but in 2013 is a slide out in the top right corner)- notice of incoming mail that showed the sender, subject line, and (space permitting) a snippet of the body content.
With the new 13/10 combination, these messages are relegated to the 'Action Center' exclusively so nothing shows when mail comes in...until I interrupt what I'm doing and manually click on the Action Center which then gives a list of (all the) newly arrived mail. Which IMO totally sucks, because I now have to leave Outlook visible just to see what came in to decide on its relevance.
Anybody know how to get the time saving balloons back?-Stoic Joker (July 30, 2015, 04:39 PM)
Next will be my 24/7 TV recorder/downloader/fax computer, also x86, where they're still "validating" the upgrade. If that goes OK, I might bite the bullet and do the wife's machine >:D
I think I'll write my will while I still have arms and legs.-4wd (July 30, 2015, 02:19 AM)
In my experience, Windows 10 has a balloon/slider which shows for a second or two and then disappears to the Action Center where you can view it if you missed it.-Deozaan (July 30, 2015, 04:46 PM)
Try Settings -> System -> Notifications & actions and see if you can enable notifications for Outlook somewhere in there.-Deozaan (July 30, 2015, 04:46 PM)
Anyone else experiencing apps opening (minimized to taskbar) when logging in from lock screen?-Deozaan (July 30, 2015, 05:59 PM)
I don't see the Win10 live tile screen, probably because I use Classic Shell. But when I tried to drop a desktop icon on the Start menu, it popped up. I just had to click on the desktop to get rid of it and everything was normal again, but it still seems to be there, hidden by Classic Shell.-Arizona Hot (July 30, 2015, 06:26 PM)
I don't see the Win10 live tile screen, probably because I use Classic Shell. But when I tried to drop a desktop icon on the Start menu, it popped up. I just had to click on the desktop to get rid of it and everything was normal again, but it still seems to be there, hidden by Classic Shell.-Arizona Hot (July 30, 2015, 06:26 PM)
There is no live tile screen in Win10. Now it's just the Start Menu that shows a few Live Tiles.
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg385896#msg385896))-Deozaan (July 30, 2015, 07:06 PM)
Posting from Edge in Windows 10. No problems upgrading from the upgrade wizard. :Thmbsup:-wraith808 (July 30, 2015, 09:41 PM)
Posting from Edge in Windows 10. No problems upgrading from the upgrade wizard. :Thmbsup:-wraith808 (July 30, 2015, 09:41 PM)
I hope posting from the edge is more fun than living on the edge.-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 05:48 AM)
Posting from Edge in Windows 10. No problems upgrading from the upgrade wizard. :Thmbsup:-wraith808 (July 30, 2015, 09:41 PM)
I hope posting from the edge is more fun than living on the edge.-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 05:48 AM)
That depends entirely on what you're living on the edge of.. ;)-Stoic Joker (July 31, 2015, 06:26 AM)
Posting from Edge in Windows 10. No problems upgrading from the upgrade wizard. :Thmbsup:-wraith808 (July 30, 2015, 09:41 PM)
I hope posting from the edge is more fun than living on the edge.
(http://www.allsmileys.com/files/chibis/32.gif)-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 05:48 AM)
I'm not bleeding yet, so I think I'm ok. Of course, that's on my laptop, not on my primary computer...-wraith808 (July 31, 2015, 07:36 AM)
I'm not bleeding yet, so I think I'm ok. Of course, that's on my laptop, not on my primary computer...-wraith808 (July 31, 2015, 07:36 AM)
Perhaps you can point me in the right direction. I could use a nice lightweight (Windows) Laptop that doesn't cut my bank account to ribbons. Then I could use the Toshiba as a guinea pig machine. I'm taking a computer repair class and eventually I will succumb to the temptation of upgrading ram or some other excuse to pry the box open and screw things in, or up, or something. :)-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 08:26 AM)
Dell Inspiron 7000-wraith808 (July 31, 2015, 09:53 AM)
Anyone else experiencing apps opening (minimized to taskbar) when logging in from lock screen?-Deozaan (July 30, 2015, 05:59 PM)
Haven't seen that one, but I have noticed that Edge can be a bit "shy" at times, and will periodically disappear only to show up again later minimized (all session tabs intact) in the task bar.-Stoic Joker (July 30, 2015, 06:29 PM)
I could use a nice lightweight (Windows) Laptop that doesn't cut my bank account to ribbons.-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 08:26 AM)
I could use a nice lightweight (Windows) Laptop that doesn't cut my bank account to ribbons.-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 08:26 AM)
Depending on how literally you meant 'lightweight', Acer is coming out with the Cloudbook (http://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/07/17/e54c9c76-eaf2-40e0-9db1-f441db27bd58/9954013a72e8abbd5bf60bdf3c2bc252/acer-aspire-cloudbook-laptop-notebook-windows-10-chromebook.jpg) at USD169, to compete with the HP Stream (http://uk.pcmag.com/hp-stream-13-13-c020nr) series, which seem to be going for around USD230.-dr_andus (July 31, 2015, 01:40 PM)
I could use a nice lightweight (Windows) Laptop that doesn't cut my bank account to ribbons.-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 08:26 AM)
Depending on how literally you meant 'lightweight', Acer is coming out with the Cloudbook (http://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/07/17/e54c9c76-eaf2-40e0-9db1-f441db27bd58/9954013a72e8abbd5bf60bdf3c2bc252/acer-aspire-cloudbook-laptop-notebook-windows-10-chromebook.jpg) at USD169, to compete with the HP Stream (http://uk.pcmag.com/hp-stream-13-13-c020nr) series, which seem to be going for around USD230.-dr_andus (July 31, 2015, 01:40 PM)
Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look. :)-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 02:18 PM)
I could use a nice lightweight (Windows) Laptop that doesn't cut my bank account to ribbons.-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 08:26 AM)
Depending on how literally you meant 'lightweight', Acer is coming out with the Cloudbook (http://zdnet1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/07/17/e54c9c76-eaf2-40e0-9db1-f441db27bd58/9954013a72e8abbd5bf60bdf3c2bc252/acer-aspire-cloudbook-laptop-notebook-windows-10-chromebook.jpg) at USD169, to compete with the HP Stream (http://uk.pcmag.com/hp-stream-13-13-c020nr) series, which seem to be going for around USD230.-dr_andus (July 31, 2015, 01:40 PM)
Thanks for the tip. I'll take a look. :)-MilesAhead (July 31, 2015, 02:18 PM)
I thought to take a look at that HP Stream for my wife and daughter to share. And quickly looked away. In use, it's very laggy, even doing basic things. That was with windows 8, but it was *bad*. It was masked because of the SSD, but it was still nothing that I'd put up with. So unless performance is not a consideration *at all*, I'd recommend a steer clear of the HP Stream.-wraith808 (July 31, 2015, 03:09 PM)
OS upgrades are always extra tough when the user has a lot of customizations-Nod5 (July 31, 2015, 05:26 PM)
Curt, hang in there man! :) OS upgrades are always extra tough when the user has a lot of customizations and extra apps installed.
Two useful articles on privacy settings for those about to take the jump to 10.
http://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/30/windows-10-and-privacy/
http://www.howtogeek.com/221864/digging-into-and-understanding-windows-10s-privacy-settings/
I think I'll wait a bit myself and read what issues people run into and work around.
Can anyone who has upgraded tell if these applications work well in 10: FARR, Everything and Autohotkey scripts (e.g. any issues with UAC or anything like that?).-Nod5 (July 31, 2015, 05:26 PM)
Can anyone who has upgraded tell if these applications work well in 10: FARR, Everything and Autohotkey scripts (e.g. any issues with UAC or anything like that?).-Nod5 (July 31, 2015, 05:26 PM)
Curt, hang in there man! :) OS upgrades are always extra tough when the user has a lot of customizations and extra apps installed.
Can anyone who has upgraded tell if these applications work well in 10: FARR, Everything and Autohotkey scripts (e.g. any issues with UAC or anything like that?).-Nod5 (July 31, 2015, 05:26 PM)
I have Everything and it works fine in Win 10(contrary to Steve Wright: "You can't have everything. Where would you put it?")-Arizona Hot (July 31, 2015, 07:29 PM)
Anyone else experiencing apps opening (minimized to taskbar) when logging in from lock screen?-Deozaan (July 30, 2015, 05:59 PM)
Haven't seen that one, but I have noticed that Edge can be a bit "shy" at times, and will periodically disappear only to show up again later minimized (all session tabs intact) in the task bar.-Stoic Joker (July 30, 2015, 06:29 PM)
It's still happening for me. I come back from the lock screen and Xbox, Photos, and Calculator are open, but minimized.
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg385947#msg385947))-Deozaan (July 31, 2015, 11:19 AM)
I think you're right, Miles; eventually it will of course be their best operating system so far - which is why I for the first time ever was maneuvering to be first in line.
BUT the comparison in my head is the car company launching a new model, and when people ask why there are no passenger seats, or why this or that obviously is missing, the answer is something like "Oh, we will add them eventually". Setting a fixed date for launching a new model is by itself foolish, or what the proper term may be, because it puts a date above fixing errors, and therefore also puts a date above both the customer and the company's trustworthiness / credibility / reliability / integration / honour / something ...
Well, I am the poor one, and they are the ga$illionaires, so who am I to speak.-Curt (August 01, 2015, 12:16 PM)
I've been through all those, and they only control whether or not the notifications show up in the Action Center. No combination I could think of - even after an Outlook restart - would result in the old style informative behavior.-Stoic Joker (July 30, 2015, 06:29 PM)
I've been through all those, and they only control whether or not the notifications show up in the Action Center. No combination I could think of - even after an Outlook restart - would result in the old style informative behavior.-Stoic Joker (July 30, 2015, 06:29 PM)
Have you tried lengthening the popup interval time in Outlook to something crazy long like 10-20 seconds?-Innuendo (August 01, 2015, 05:52 PM)
I hadn't thought to try that, but I strongly suspect the behavior is by design to showcase the all new - Whoop-De-Do - Action Center.-Stoic Joker (August 01, 2015, 07:43 PM)
Why it has decided to pull this shit I haven't a clue, but it's a - Microsoft Listed Windows 10 Compatible - Asus Commando motherboard with the latest BIOS installed (it was a condition of computability) a few weeks back to be sure it didn't flake on its own (which it didn't).
Sure it's a bit of an antique...but it's all I got to work with at the moment.
Why it has decided to pull this shit I haven't a clue, but it's a - Microsoft Listed Windows 10 Compatible - Asus Commando motherboard with the latest BIOS installed (it was a condition of computability) a few weeks back to be sure it didn't flake on its own (which it didn't).
Sure it's a bit of an antique...but it's all I got to work with at the moment.-Stoic Joker (August 01, 2015, 07:43 PM)
Well, my motherboard *is* an antique...a Gigabyte running an X58a chipset. I have no idea if it's on Microsoft's special list or not, but I just checked. My 6 GB of RAM is being reported correctly.-Innuendo (August 02, 2015, 10:06 AM)
Apparently I just needed to RTFM ... It was a legacy setting that had gotten reset when I flashed the BIOS a few weeks back.-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2015, 04:59 PM)
Apparently I just needed to RTFM-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2015, 04:59 PM)
I've had Windows 10 for almost a week. In that time I 've gotten 3 Windows Updates, not including Windows Defender Definition Updates. Is this the slow ring and is Windows Insider the fast ring?-Arizona Hot (August 04, 2015, 12:15 PM)
I've had Windows 10 for almost a week. In that time I 've gotten 3 Windows Updates, not including Windows Defender Definition Updates. Is this the slow ring and is Windows Insider the fast ring?-Arizona Hot (August 04, 2015, 12:15 PM)
I've had Windows 10 for almost a week. In that time I 've gotten 3 Windows Updates, not including Windows Defender Definition Updates. Is this the slow ring and is Windows Insider the fast ring?-Arizona Hot (August 04, 2015, 12:15 PM)
Unless you log in with a Microsoft account, I believe you are on the slow ring. Once you log into Windows with your Microsoft account you can go to Windows Update settings and select if you want to be on the slow or fast ring.-Innuendo (August 04, 2015, 06:27 PM)
As a possible solution to ALL CAPS accidents......Other keyboard mapping fixes are useful, but redundant if you use remapkey.exe, which works fine in Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows Server 2003, Windows Vista, and Win7-64 Home Premium.
Tip - dispatching the CapsLock gremlin with Microsoft's remapkey.exe http://tips4laptopusers.blogspot.com/2008/08/dispatching-capslock-gremlin-with.html
It refers to the Microsoft remapkey.exe utility.
...-IainB (August 24, 2008, 03:22 AM)
__________________________________-IainB (March 10, 2012, 03:28 PM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg386236#msg386236))
Dclock2 runs in Win 10. My Win 7 has to use Dclock 1. Maybe that is because it is a 32-bit Win 10. The Win 7 system is 64-bit.-Arizona Hot (August 04, 2015, 12:49 PM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg386236#msg386236))
Dclock2 runs in Win 10. My Win 7 has to use Dclock 1. Maybe that is because it is a 32-bit Win 10. The Win 7 system is 64-bit.-Arizona Hot (August 04, 2015, 12:49 PM)
Thanks for letting me know.
But I find it odd that you can't run Dclock2 on 64-bit Win7, since I have been running it on my 64-bit Win7 without any issues. I am not saying there is no issue on your system, just that it can't be due to it being 64-bit. Trust me on this, if there was an issue running it on 64-bit, I'd be the first to complain about it, till I fixed it. ;)
I do have plans on rewriting it from scratch early next year (got some interesting stuff planned for it), so perhaps the new version will work better for you. Can you hang in there till then?-app103 (August 05, 2015, 06:59 AM)
Option is available regardless. Settings-->Windows Update-->Advanced Options-->Get Started Button asks for (MS account) Insider login-Stoic Joker (August 04, 2015, 08:21 PM)
Option is available regardless. Settings-->Windows Update-->Advanced Options-->Get Started Button asks for (MS account) Insider login-Stoic Joker (August 04, 2015, 08:21 PM)
Odd...on my system logged in with a local account the "Get Started" button is greyed out.-Innuendo (August 06, 2015, 12:23 PM)
In Windows 10, it's... different. Windows creates a per-user database containing all the entries that are in Start, both the live tile portion and the All apps portion. This database is (inexplicably) maintained by a system service running as the super-privileged SYSTEM identity. And at the time of writing, this database has the oh-so convenient feature of being limited to around 500 entries.
Also, I am anxious to see how Cortana, the Personal Digital Assistant, will work. If it works like I fear, I will also like to know if it can be killed and buried. I am scared of Cortana!-Curt (June 03, 2015, 11:57 AM)
Start10, 30-Day Trial
- Adds a Windows 7-styled Start menu with Windows 10 enhancements
- Pin desktop and Modern apps to the Start menu
- Jump list support
- Unified search for apps, settings and files
- Automatically matches the color of your taskbar
- Skinnable Start button
- Choose the default behavior of the Start menu power button
Even stranger yet (while home machine worked fine), the GS button on my comp here at the office is greyed out...yet both were upgrades with the same x64 MSDN.iso Now the other guy here in IT has an active GS button...he too upgraded with the same x64 MSDN.iso - All machines mentioned are Pro Ed. domain members.-Stoic Joker (August 06, 2015, 01:09 PM)
Stardock has launched Start10 for Windows 10. The $4.99 program is in beta, but the final version 1 is due the 12'th of August.
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
Features: https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/download.asp-Curt (August 06, 2015, 05:02 PM)
Stardock has launched Start10 for Windows 10. The $4.99 program is in beta, but the final version 1 is due the 12'th of August.
https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
Features: https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/download.asp-Curt (August 06, 2015, 05:02 PM)
I don't like how Stardock does business. They spew forth a ton of different programs and don't address bugs. The only time you see a new release is when they have a paid upgrade & it'll have its own set of bugs.
The only program I've seen them update with any frequency & with any commitment to fixing bugs is their WindowBlinds product. Do people even use that anymore?-Innuendo (August 06, 2015, 05:26 PM)
I've not had any problems with them in 10+ years of using their products, so I guess YMMV.-wraith808 (August 06, 2015, 07:15 PM)
So, is Windows 10 buggier than an Entomology department?-Arizona Hot (August 07, 2015, 08:56 PM)
I have a HP LV 2001 monitor with the resolution set at 1600 x 900 (recommended) and the text size set at Medium - 125%. The Win 10's monitor is a non-widescreen Dell set at 1024 x768 resolution and the text size is 100%.-Arizona Hot (August 06, 2015, 11:31 AM)
He-he. Windows 10's "automated installation in the background" bluescreened me while trying to update my AMD driver...AMD.-Tuxman (August 11, 2015, 06:41 AM)
Apparently I just needed to RTFM ... It was a legacy setting that had gotten reset when I flashed the BIOS a few weeks back."Remap memory" setting in the BIOS, eh?-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2015, 04:59 PM)
I cannot believe what I just read about the Win 10 start menu and "all apps" view (plus search!):Ho humm - moving to a database might make sense for really fast lookups (especially if that part of the codebase is shared between desktop and mobile devices). Sounds a bit weird to limit this database (at least that much), though, since lookups should be that much faster. And it seems insane to make the indexing run as SYSTEM when it really only should require your local user privileges - the arstechnica article certainly makes that part of Win10 sound broken :)
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/07/review-windows-10-is-the-best-version-yet-once-the-bugs-get-fixed/In Windows 10, it's... different. Windows creates a per-user database containing all the entries that are in Start, both the live tile portion and the All apps portion. This database is (inexplicably) maintained by a system service running as the super-privileged SYSTEM identity. And at the time of writing, this database has the oh-so convenient feature of being limited to around 500 entries.
Holy shit, it shipped like that!?!?!? What. The. Actual. Fuck!?-JavaJones (August 06, 2015, 04:04 PM)
Apparently I just needed to RTFM ... It was a legacy setting that had gotten reset when I flashed the BIOS a few weeks back."Remap memory" setting in the BIOS, eh?-Stoic Joker (August 02, 2015, 04:59 PM)
Kinda sucks that flashing a new BIOS reset all settings...-f0dder (August 12, 2015, 03:10 PM)
However, following a Win10 update today, MS Money is now working perfectly again.
Kudos to MS for fairly swift action on this. I don't know whether the error was a bug, or if it only affected MS Money, but the effect of fixing it seems to indicate that MS is listening and just might be aware of the need to support this and other legacy applications in Win10.-IainB (August 13, 2015, 09:07 AM)
Microsoft can now remotely disable pirated games, if you're running them on Windows 10 (http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/microsoft-can-now-remotely-disable-pirated-games-if-youre-running-them-on-windows-10-277956.html)
At least. it can't delete the pirate. I don't think anyone would really want that, especially you!
Microsoft claims Windows 10 EULA that supposedly removes pirated games is about 'security' GamesBeat Games by Jeff Grubb (http://venturebeat.com/2015/08/21/microsoft-claims-windows-10-eula-that-supposedly-removes-pirated-games-is-about-security/)-Arizona Hot (August 18, 2015, 05:07 AM)
Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates are subject to these Terms unless other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. Microsoft isn’t obligated to make any updates available and we don’t guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software.-http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/microsoft-can-now-remotely-disable-pirated-games-if-youre-running-them-on-windows-10-277956.html
"The Microsoft Services Agreement allows Microsoft to change or discontinue certain apps or content where we deem your security is at risk," a Microsoft spokesperson said in a statement provided to GamesBeat. "This section of the Microsoft Services Agreement is consistent with language in former Terms of Use agreements, which carried over with the introduction of the unified services agreement on August 1. Software that is pirated or botted places the safety and security of our customers at risk, including a higher risk of malware, fraud, public exposure of personal information, and poor performance or feature malfunction. We remain committed to protecting our customers from the risks of non-genuine software and protecting the intellectual property of developers of all types of content."-http://venturebeat.com/2015/08/21/microsoft-claims-windows-10-eula-that-supposedly-removes-pirated-games-is-about-security/
Really strange language there. What is meant by "the Services"? What is meant by "unauthorized hardware peripheral devices"? These phrases make it sound more like it's talking about Xbox Live and the Xbox console(s) than Windows 10 devices (desktops, laptops, tablets). But Microsoft is going for the whole unified thing, and I can see how in cases such as the Windows Store they might check for and disable pirated copies of apps/games, as I suspect at least Apple if not also Google do on iOS and Android respectively.-Deozaan (August 23, 2015, 12:49 AM)
I might be crossing threads, but this looks like "they let the spokesman out of the cage" about a year late.
"Is this going to be the norm from now on? If the August [cumulative] update breaks something, will there be a broken chain from there?"-TaoPhoenix (August 23, 2015, 05:07 PM)
Torrent trackers freak out over perceived Windows 10 anti-piracy measures PCWorld (http://www.pcworld.com/article/2974721/windows/torrent-trackers-freak-out-over-perceived-windows-10-anti-piracy-measures.html?google_editors_picks=true)-Arizona Hot (August 24, 2015, 10:12 PM)
Anandtech Reviews Windows 10
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9543/the-windows-10-review-wraith808 (August 27, 2015, 10:32 AM)
Infoworld - 10 Reasons you shouldn't update to Windows 10 (Annoying slideshow alert!)
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2972298/microsoft-windows/10-reasons-you-shouldnt-upgrade-to-windows-10.html-wraith808 (August 27, 2015, 10:35 AM)
Anandtech Reviews Windows 10
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9543/the-windows-10-review-wraith808 (August 27, 2015, 10:32 AM)
Infoworld - 10 Reasons you shouldn't update to Windows 10 (Annoying slideshow alert!)
http://www.infoworld.com/article/2972298/microsoft-windows/10-reasons-you-shouldnt-upgrade-to-windows-10.html-wraith808 (August 27, 2015, 10:35 AM)
Very clickbait-y, with not always accurate info...-Deozaan (August 27, 2015, 07:19 PM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg387710#msg387710)) (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg387710#msg387710))
When restarting Win 10 after the last update, I noticed that the taskbar clock showed while restarting, but disappeared or was suppressed when done. My best guess as to what is doing this is Classic Shell. Anyone else have any experience with this problem or have fixed it?-Arizona Hot (August 28, 2015, 10:49 PM)
In theory, you should be able to do a system restore if an update breaks your system. But that assumes you can get booted back into your system long enough to perform the restore.-Deozaan (August 24, 2015, 11:47 PM)
(see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg387710#msg387710)) (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39119.msg387710#msg387710))
When restarting Win 10 after the last update, I noticed that the taskbar clock showed while restarting, but disappeared or was suppressed when done. My best guess as to what is doing this is Classic Shell. Anyone else have any experience with this problem or have fixed it?-Arizona Hot (August 28, 2015, 10:49 PM)
Check your DClock2 settings, under Options>Tray Clock and make sure Hide Clock isn't checked. ;)-app103 (August 28, 2015, 11:06 PM)
Rejoice! Sandboxie 5.04 for Win 10 is available. Anyone here been waiting for it( beside me)? Has anyone beside created a poll? It's interesting that Sandboxie 5.04 under Win 10 uses IE 11 not Edge.-Arizona Hot (September 22, 2015, 03:45 PM)
^Yeah, I want to vote 0 and I can't.You can't. I use it. Anyway, it was a test to see how well it worked and how many people here use it.-4wd (September 23, 2015, 12:39 AM)
"Do you use Sandboxie?""Yes""No"-Deozaan (September 22, 2015, 11:56 PM)
More complaints :D :P
The poll has nothing to do with the topic - it doesnt make any sense to have it here....-tomos (September 23, 2015, 01:07 PM)
The poll has nothing to do with the topic - it doesnt make any sense to have it here....-tomos (September 23, 2015, 01:07 PM)
More complaints The poll has nothing to do with the topic - it doesnt make any sense to have it here....-tomos (September 23, 2015, 01:07 PM)
More complaints The poll has nothing to do with the topic - it doesnt make any sense to have it here....-tomos (September 23, 2015, 01:07 PM)
Yes, it does. Sandboxie has a new version(5.04) for Win 10. I was interested in how many people here use it and would want to get the Win 10 version. I also wanted to get a more general idea of how many Sandboxie users were here and not just people with Win 10.-Arizona Hot (September 23, 2015, 11:59 PM)
More complaints The poll has nothing to do with the topic - it doesnt make any sense to have it here....-tomos (September 23, 2015, 01:07 PM)
Yes, it does. Sandboxie has a new version(5.04) for Win 10. I was interested in how many people here use it and would want to get the Win 10 version. I also wanted to get a more general idea of how many Sandboxie users were here and not just people with Win 10.-Arizona Hot (September 23, 2015, 11:59 PM)
I don't think that people are complaining, just pointing out that if you really intend to get that information, or are interested it culling it, you might be better served with it in a new thread.-wraith808 (September 24, 2015, 12:24 PM)
Just having a bit of fun with it. Like kids in a sand box.-MilesAhead (September 24, 2015, 03:58 PM)
A question. Does a Windows 10 trial exist? Like 7 that had 30 day trails.I believe that you can
I am not talking about the pre-release stuff but just someone downloading now in October and trying it before entering a key. All I find now is something about 90 day trial of the Enterpise version and none for 10 Home :tellme:-rgdot (October 07, 2015, 08:38 PM)
A question. Does a Windows 10 trial exist? Like 7 that had 30 day trails.
I am not talking about the pre-release stuff but just someone downloading now in October and trying it before entering a key. All I find now is something about 90 day trial of the Enterpise version and none for 10 Home :tellme:-rgdot (October 07, 2015, 08:38 PM)
So if someone is on a Mac and wants to trial 10 without ever having 7 there is no trial?-rgdot (October 08, 2015, 08:17 AM)
No none of that. A left over formatted PC to install and trial 10 on it instead of getting another Mac or installing Linux (on the PC). It's fine if 10 has to be bought straight away but I just wondered because with 7 it seemed easier with more obvious links to download from.-rgdot (October 08, 2015, 08:59 AM)
Currently I am too lazy too look it up, but I think it was here on this forum where I read that even if a Windows 7 user indicated that an update to Windows 10 is not desired, MS still pushes out the files for that upgrade (?), because in their mind your 'NO!' means 'maybe later' and still pushes it onto your system, so you can start immediately when you change your mind...-Shades (October 12, 2015, 08:27 PM)
...why I always disable updates.-MilesAhead (October 12, 2015, 05:48 PM)
In this regard my track record is much better than that of MS.-Shades (October 12, 2015, 08:27 PM)
there were options discussed in a Windows 10 Privacy thread -- how to block certain updates using a script. This post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=41367.75) was about Windows 7 -- following posts may also be helpful!-tomos (October 13, 2015, 05:39 AM)
Wouldn't you have to load it into a VM anyway? I never hears of Windows running directly on Macs.-MilesAhead (October 08, 2015, 08:33 AM)
Big Microsoft Trade-In Deal Gets Users Windows 10 For Less (https://www.gottabemobile.com/2015/10/14/big-microsoft-trade-in-deal-gets-users-windows-10-for-less/)
With the preceding uproar still in mind, is anyone interested in this offer?-Arizona Hot (October 14, 2015, 09:31 PM)
@dr_andus the type of anguish you describe is why I always disable updates.-MilesAhead (October 12, 2015, 05:48 PM)
@dr_andus the type of anguish you describe is why I always disable updates.-MilesAhead (October 12, 2015, 05:48 PM)
Apparently disabling the updates may not even do the trick anymore, Win10 installation will still download:
Windows users report Windows 10 upgrades are enforced on their systems - gHacks Tech News (http://www.ghacks.net/2015/10/15/windows-users-report-windows-10-upgrades-are-enforced-on-their-systems/)-dr_andus (October 15, 2015, 06:37 PM)
MS' acknowledgement (http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-stops-automatic-windows-10-upgrades-says-default-checked-update-was-a-mistake/) of this back-firing behavior...-Shades (October 16, 2015, 08:02 AM)
MS' acknowledgement (http://venturebeat.com/2015/10/15/microsoft-stops-automatic-windows-10-upgrades-says-default-checked-update-was-a-mistake/) of this back-firing behavior...Thanks. I wonder how much of this 'mistake' is due to someone lower down the chain of command being creative under the tremendous pressure of entire MS management coming down on them like a ton of bricks to install Win10 on 1 billion devices in 2 years...
________________________-Shades (October 16, 2015, 08:02 AM)
if achievement of that goal is not going as well as they expected, I wouldn't be surprised if the 1-year free upgrade window might be extended or even permanently removed.
________________________-dr_andus (October 16, 2015, 09:37 AM)
The VW fraud would probably never have eventuated if the problem - the setting of artificial "targets" for diesel engine testing - had not been created in error in the first place by a bloated bureaucracy with apparently little or no understanding of processes in statistical control (Shewhart, Deming).
The fact that the targets were also set at evidently infeasible levels (QED) would have merely served to compound the problem.
This looks very much like a textbook example of the sort of thing that W.E.Deming was on about when he published his 14-point philosophy, where point 11 was:
11. [Eliminate targets with no basis in statistical veracity]
a) Eliminate work standards (quotas) on the factory floor.
Substitute leadership.
b) Eliminate management by objective. Eliminate management by
numbers, numerical goals. Substitute leadership.
(from Chapter 2 of "Out of the Crisis", by W. Edwards Deming).
However, from experience, I predict that, in common with a great many people, approx. 80% (Pareto Principle) of the people who might read this comment will fail to accept or understand the truth of point 11, primarily because it runs contrary to conventional wisdom, and they will be unlikely to have seen the proof of it in Deming's "Red Beads" teaching experiment. ...
________________________-IainB (October 10, 2015, 01:33 AM)
You may well have hit the nail on the head there. Irrational (you used the euphemism "creative") behaviours induced by fear and panic-IainB (October 17, 2015, 04:22 AM)
To get rid off (http://win10wiwi.com) the Windows 10 annoyances...-Shades (October 23, 2015, 09:11 AM)
Woody Leonhard has been chronicling the development of a tool to stop Windows 10 "upgrades" (http://www.infoworld.com/article/2995915/microsoft-windows/unwanted-win7win81-upgrades-to-win10-can-now-be-stopped.html) in his InfoWorld blog.
I haven't tried it -- I don't trust Windows Update, so it has always been turned off on all my systems, but I would trust Woody's recommendation.-xtabber (October 23, 2015, 11:59 AM)
Windows 10 Free Upgrade Rules Change, Surface Book Vs MacBook Pro And OEM Tensions-Arizona Hot (October 25, 2015, 06:45 AM)
Windows 10 Free Upgrade Rules Change, Surface Book Vs MacBook Pro And OEM Tensions-Arizona Hot (October 25, 2015, 06:45 AM)
that link redirects to a blank page: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/
Anyone know how the "Windows 10 Free Upgrade Rules Change" ?-tomos (October 25, 2015, 04:26 PM)
Every Tueday there will be a new countermeasure. Every Friday the turn off tool will be, shall we say, Updated? Heh heh heh-MilesAhead (October 25, 2015, 08:09 AM)
Windows 10 Free Upgrade Rules Change, Surface Book Vs MacBook Pro And OEM Tensions (http://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2015/10/19/microsoft-monday-windows-10-free-upgrade-rules-change-surface-book-vs-macbook-pro-and-oem-tensions/)-Arizona Hot (October 25, 2015, 06:45 AM)
that link redirects to a blank page: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/
Anyone know how the "Windows 10 Free Upgrade Rules Change" ?-tomos (October 25, 2015, 04:26 PM)
Had similar behavior, but when the original link was pasted in the location area and tried again, it worked here.
Perhaps there's some kind of redirect or cookie check?-ewemoa (October 25, 2015, 04:27 PM)
Reasons to upgrade
Windows 10’s attractions, compared with Windows 7, include great touch-screen and stylus support, the ability to run new-style apps as well as traditional programs, and the integration of free OneDrive cloud storage (all from Windows 8 ), the Cortana personal assistant and a notification centre (both from Windows Phone), virtual desktops, Windows Hello sign-on via face or fingerprint recognition, and better gaming capabilities with DirectX 12.
Windows’ touch-oriented apps work much like Apple iOS/Google Android tablet apps. It’s a good idea to use them because they are light weight, securely sandboxed, easy to install/uninstall, and get downloaded/updated from a known source – the Windows Store. Windows’ free games, including Solitaire and Freecell, have been moved to the store to encourage people to use it.
Most of these seem to me primarily consumer-oriented features. Not much there to convince a business user (in fact they're likely to wind them up with the forced download and reminders).-dr_andus (October 29, 2015, 12:51 PM)
Most of these seem to me primarily consumer-oriented features. Not much there to convince a business user (in fact they're likely to wind them up with the forced download and reminders).A consumer newspaper probably focuses on features of consumer interests? :-)-dr_andus (October 29, 2015, 12:51 PM)
Although many have Apple flat screen monitors. I guess the Apple flat screen is tough to beat? A friend has a Mac Laptop and the screen is paper thin, very lightweight, and high quality.Haven't seen many laptops that can beat the macbook screens, but dunno why you'd buy an external monitor from Apple, really.-MilesAhead (October 29, 2015, 12:59 PM)
Haven't seen many laptops that can beat the macbook screens, but dunno why you'd buy an external monitor from Apple, really.-f0dder (October 29, 2015, 04:09 PM)
A consumer newspaper probably focuses on features of consumer interests? :-)
Not very interested in what's enterprise-interesting myself, so haven't looked at it - but it performs pretty well (MS seems have done progressively better with 7->8->10), and there's some additional lowlevel security panzering (mitigations, defense-in-depth). Those benefit consumers, and might be of interest at the corporate level.-f0dder (October 29, 2015, 04:09 PM)
Fair enough. Though by "business user" I didn't quite mean 'enterprise' or 'corporate' use. I was wondering what was MS's main proposition to convince someone to switch from Win7 to Win10 who uses it for work, rather than just play. The article itself was kind of suggesting that there wasn't one.I can't really recall the last time an OS upgrade had a killer feature - the thing that comes closest is probably Vista moving the graphics stack mostly back into usermode, improving stability over XP immensively. It's really been just gradual improvements (and a few warts).-dr_andus (October 29, 2015, 07:21 PM)
The conclusion of the report is the same as it has been for years: never phone a computer manufacturer's tech support. The best way to find a solution to a problem is to search online on enthusiast sites populated by knowledgeable users as anywhere else is likely to lead to considerable delays and generic responses from poorly trained support staff.
Is there by now an easy way to upgrade from a computer with OEM win8 pro to a clean install (not upgrade on top of win8) of win10 pro? I.e. extract a key from my win8, put a win10 iso on a USB, format the harddrive and then clean install win10. Has anyone here done it? Did you run into any issues?-Nod5 (November 12, 2015, 01:12 PM)
Is there by now an easy way to upgrade from a computer with OEM win8 pro to a clean install (not upgrade on top of win8) of win10 pro? I.e. extract a key from my win8, put a win10 iso on a USB, format the harddrive and then clean install win10. Has anyone here done it? Did you run into any issues?-Nod5 (November 12, 2015, 01:12 PM)
Has anyone gotten today's update? I'm still waiting, and Windows Update says there are no new updates for me.Anyone know how to force Windows 10 to download the latest update (without joining Insider/fast ring program)?-Deozaan (November 12, 2015, 08:52 PM)
Has anyone gotten today's update? I'm still waiting, and Windows Update says there are no new updates for me. Anyone know how to force Windows 10 to download the latest update (without joining Insider/fast ring program)?-Deozaan (November 12, 2015, 08:52 PM)
This article may answer the question.-Arizona Hot (November 12, 2015, 09:49 PM)
[H]ead over to the Windows 10 download page and hit the “upgrade” button. This will download Microsoft’s migration tool. While this might feel odd, this tool is prepped with the latest version of Windows 10, and will do an in-place upgrade of the OS for you. I haven’t updated my machine yet – although I plan to – but the process runs very much like a new install, so the usual disclaimer about making sure you have a good backup is relevant here.
This might seem a bit heavy-handed but the update does all of the same stuff when it arrives naturally, so it’s just a matter of hurrying the process along slightly.
The reason, apparently, for this is that Threshold is such a massive upgrade to the core of Windows 10 that it isn’t like a patch, or even a service pack. This is essentially a whole new version of Windows 10. This is, obviously somewhat backed up by Microsoft’s claim that Windows 10 would be the “last” version of Windows. Because of this, we won’t really see service packs any more, but just a new version of the OS. This makes some things a lot easier though, like installing Windows down the line without having to patch or slipstream the latest updates into your build.-http://www.forbes.com/sites/ianmorris/2015/11/12/windows-10s-latest-update-will-be-delayed-for-some-users-but-theres-a-fix/
So, basically, just go to the normal Windows 10 Upgrade (http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10) page and do an in-place upgrade to the latest version of Windows 10? Interesting...-Deozaan (November 13, 2015, 12:04 AM)
So, basically, just go to the normal Windows 10 Upgrade page and do an in-place upgrade to the latest version of Windows 10? Interesting...I did it and it worked just fine for me. I'm now on Version 1511 (OS Build 10586.3). Heh. It says (c) 2016.-Deozaan (November 13, 2015, 02:20 AM)
How much do you think it is better. I think IE under Win 10 has a problem with website scripts.-Arizona Hot (November 20, 2015, 10:38 AM)
Edge still has some rough edges.-Arizona Hot (November 20, 2015, 07:08 PM)
Just did a clean load of 10586 and was pleasantly surprised (read shocked) to be prompted to create a local account by default. No mention of creating/using/enforcing a MS cloud account was to be seen.-Stoic Joker (November 26, 2015, 08:14 AM)
Just did a clean load of 10586 and was pleasantly surprised (read shocked) to be prompted to create a local account by default. No mention of creating/using/enforcing a MS cloud account was to be seen.-Stoic Joker (November 26, 2015, 08:14 AM)
10586? Ain't that there one of them new-fangled Pentup Frustration machines with built in FPU demanding virtual memory? I didn't know MS took it over from Intel. :)-MilesAhead (November 26, 2015, 08:27 AM)
My we're feeling glib today... Yes I was rushing and meant Windows 10 build 10586. However your definition does have its merits.. :D-Stoic Joker (November 26, 2015, 09:42 AM)
Windows 10 users are reporting that programs they've installed have disappeared (apparently uninstalled) with the latest Windows 10 Fall update, including one case where the software that AMD's graphics cards depend on (AMD Catalyst Control Center) was uninstalled and replaced with Windows 10 graphics card drivers. The two other programs that have been mentioned as being uninstalled are CPU-Z and Speccy.
I can confirm the CPU-Z disappearance, as it pulled mine ... However it did stop and tell me what it was doing when it did it.-Stoic Joker (November 27, 2015, 06:09 AM)
I can confirm the CPU-Z disappearance, as it pulled mine ... However it did stop and tell me what it was doing when it did it.-Stoic Joker (November 27, 2015, 06:09 AM)
What exactly did it tell you? I'm trying to see Microsoft's reasoning... and I just don't get it.-wraith808 (November 27, 2015, 04:56 PM)
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How Windows 10 Could Kill Passwords Forever (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/how-windows-10-could-kill-passwords-forever/ar-AAfOU5u)-Arizona Hot (December 01, 2015, 11:47 AM)
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Is this more security or less security? It means someone could force you to log in against your will, by holding your face to the camera by force, which they couldn't do if you refused to give them the password.-dr_andus (December 01, 2015, 12:17 PM)
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How Windows 10 Could Kill Passwords Forever (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/how-windows-10-could-kill-passwords-forever/ar-AAfOU5u)-Arizona Hot (December 01, 2015, 11:47 AM)
Is this more security or less security? It means someone could force you to log in against your will, by holding your face to the camera by force, which they couldn't do if you refused to give them the password.-dr_andus (December 01, 2015, 12:17 PM)
Let's face it. If someone is going to use brute force I am going to give them the password. I forgot all my Green Beret training, having never been in the military. But now that I think of it, I would rather tell someone the password rather than have them take my thumb or my face with them when they left. It is still losing face, but at least not literally. :Thmbsup:-MilesAhead (December 01, 2015, 01:44 PM)
But now that I think of it, I would rather tell someone the password rather than have them take my thumb or my face with them when they left. It is still losing face, but at least not literally.-MilesAhead (December 01, 2015, 01:44 PM)
Is this more security or less security?-dr_andus (December 01, 2015, 12:17 PM)
But now that I think of it, I would rather tell someone the password rather than have them take my thumb or my face with them when they left. It is still losing face, but at least not literally.-MilesAhead (December 01, 2015, 01:44 PM)
Man's got a good point there...I'd listen to him.-Stoic Joker (December 01, 2015, 02:59 PM)
It's more different security. Biometrics are more difficult to crack-Stoic Joker (December 01, 2015, 03:12 PM)
Imagine though if Snowden had biometrics set up on his laptop when he got to Russia. It would have taken huge self-control for the FSB not to grab him by the neck and push his face to the camera... Biometrics is the easiest thing to crack when you have the biological specimen in your custody...-dr_andus (December 01, 2015, 03:48 PM)
It sounds to me like an argument for not setting up facial recognition in the first place, so you don't get into a situation where someone wants to grab you by the neck and hold your face to the camera (or chop your fingers off).-dr_andus (December 01, 2015, 03:48 PM)
Anything is easy to crack when you have the specimen in your custody. People talk about SERE and torture resistance... but all macho-ness aside, everyone cracks. It's just a matter of when, not if.-wraith808 (December 01, 2015, 03:57 PM)
Anything is easy to crack when you have the specimen in your custody. People talk about SERE and torture resistance... but all macho-ness aside, everyone cracks. It's just a matter of when, not if.-wraith808 (December 01, 2015, 03:57 PM)
Any competent secret agent would have a dummy password that gave access to disinformation and sent a silent electronic warning in communication uses. A password would always be required in addition to their face. Any such person wouldn't last long if they couldn't convince the other person that it was the real password.-Arizona Hot (December 01, 2015, 05:41 PM)
They get the information and then hold you alive until they verify it.-wraith808 (December 01, 2015, 10:37 PM)
Should you use one finger for banking, and a different one for social media?It's nothing new, I've been using one finger for Windows for some time now.-Stoic Joker (December 01, 2015, 03:12 PM)
Should you use one finger for banking, and a different one for social media?It's nothing new, I've been using one finger for Windows for some time now.-Stoic Joker (December 01, 2015, 03:12 PM)
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I don't know if there is any reality to this report, but the idea is certainly unpleasant:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/windows-10-s-fall-update-removes-user-installed-applications-without-asking.htmWindows 10 users are reporting that programs they've installed have disappeared (apparently uninstalled) with the latest Windows 10 Fall update, including one case where the software that AMD's graphics cards depend on (AMD Catalyst Control Center) was uninstalled and replaced with Windows 10 graphics card drivers. The two other programs that have been mentioned as being uninstalled are CPU-Z and Speccy.-Jibz (November 26, 2015, 10:31 AM)
I don't know if there is any reality to this report, but the idea is certainly unpleasant:
http://www.techsupportalert.com/content/windows-10-s-fall-update-removes-user-installed-applications-without-asking.htmWindows 10 users are reporting that programs they've installed have disappeared (apparently uninstalled) with the latest Windows 10 Fall update, including one case where the software that AMD's graphics cards depend on (AMD Catalyst Control Center) was uninstalled and replaced with Windows 10 graphics card drivers. The two other programs that have been mentioned as being uninstalled are CPU-Z and Speccy.-Jibz (November 26, 2015, 10:31 AM)
Wandering back to this for a bit, I did notice a bunch of other stuff that had quietly gone missing after the last upgrade. I have a group of small no install utilities I've always kept in C:\Program Files\Mini-Tools really just to keep root C cleaner since they had to go somewhere, and I didn't want them to be scattered about. When I went looking for one of them this weekend, I discovered that the entire Mini-Tools folder was missing/had been skipped during the upgrade. It was still retrievably in the Windows.old folder, but why the upgrade took it upon itself to deem that unworthy of migration is rather perplexing.
Now here's the weird part ...-Stoic Joker (December 07, 2015, 07:09 AM)
...I did notice a bunch of other stuff that had quietly gone missing after the last upgrade. I have a group of small no install utilities I've always kept in C:\Program Files\Mini-Tools really just to keep root C cleaner since they had to go somewhere, and I didn't want them to be scattered about. When I went looking for one of them this weekend, I discovered that the entire Mini-Tools folder was missing/had been skipped during the upgrade. It was still retrievably in the Windows.old folder, but why the upgrade took it upon itself to deem that unworthy of migration is rather perplexing.
Now here's the weird part ... While both are configured identically, my office computer moved the Mini-Tools folder during the upgrade that my home computer skipped.
_________________________________-Stoic Joker (December 07, 2015, 07:09 AM)
I suspect that the mistake we all make is to let Windows dictate to us that we put any program files that we wished to control, into either:
C:\Program Files\, or
C:\Program Files (x86)\
Recognising years back that the Windows OS did and probably always would take a somewhat proprietary control over those folders, I had always maintained a directory C:\UTIL\ which contains catalogued "type" directories (e.g. C:\UTIL\PIM\Infoselect) holding all of the no-install and installed programs that I use that are not Microsoft software (e.g., including FARR and all its associated plugins, Autohotkey, Firefox, and InfoSelect), with the sole exceptions being any program which:
(a) seemed to have a dumb "no options" installation proggie that insisted on everything being installed into its own special explicit directory (e.g., Google Chrome Canary wants to be in C:\Users\UserID\AppData\Local\Google\Chrome SxS\Application\), or
(b) had to install only in the usual explicit proggie directory (i.e., C:\Program Files\, or C:\Program Files (x86)\), or
(c) which could not work properly if you moved it out of any of those explicit directories once it had been installed there.
This means that when I want to I migrate to another computer, I simply port the C:\UTIL\ directory across to the new computer, and pretty soon I have most of the proggies I can't live without, running on the new computer.-IainB (December 08, 2015, 07:10 PM)
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Is this the latest update of Windows 10?-Arizona Hot (December 09, 2015, 03:27 AM)
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Is this the latest update of Windows 10?-Arizona Hot (December 09, 2015, 03:27 AM)
And hot off the presses it appears to be too. My last check for updates - sporting build number 10586.17 - which was late yesterday came up zero. I just checked this morning and there was 4 updates that after a reboot gave me the same .29 build number.So "Patch Tuesday" is still on perhaps?-Stoic Joker (December 09, 2015, 06:46 AM)
If you want lots of controls and options, PotPlayer and VideoLAN are good players as well.-Shades (December 13, 2015, 12:48 PM)
If you want lots of controls and options, PotPlayer and VideoLAN are good players as well.-Shades (December 13, 2015, 12:48 PM)
Honestly, I don't. All I want is quick, fast simple done - done is a beautiful thing...I love being done. Especially in an industry where everything invariably turns into an epic saga of some - generally horrific - kind.
When I feel like -(vegetating)- watching a video, I don't want to be faced with the dashboard of the space shuttle. I just want play, volume, and pause incase I need to take a leak if the vid goes for awhile. Now granted I'm not really into media stuff, but WMP augmented with the Shark007 codec pack (worked for XP/Vista/7/8.x - Haven't tried it on 10) plays damn near anything I've ever come across. So that's what I use.
Come to think of it...I did have BS Player (http://www.bsplayer.com/) installed on the old machine for some reason that I don't recall. It was actually rather nice IIRC.-Stoic Joker (December 13, 2015, 10:42 PM)
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The latest v.1511 update.-Arizona Hot (December 18, 2015, 06:00 PM)
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The latest v.1511 update.-Arizona Hot (December 18, 2015, 06:00 PM)
Hmm, mine is stuck at:
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With no pending updates, wouldn't have thought there'd be that much difference between Home & Pro.-4wd (December 20, 2015, 04:04 AM)
You probably didn't know there is a 32-bit Win10.-Arizona Hot (December 21, 2015, 11:47 AM)
Should I tell Microsoft or ImgBurn about this or both?
With no pending updates, wouldn't have thought there'd be that much difference between Home & Pro.-4wd (December 20, 2015, 04:04 AM)
With no pending updates, wouldn't have thought there'd be that much difference between Home & Pro.-4wd (December 20, 2015, 04:04 AM)
I'm on Pro and have the latest version.
Did you defer updates?-Deozaan (December 21, 2015, 07:55 PM)
I have a netbook with Win10 Pro x86 on it ... and it's stuck at v10.0 Build 10240 with no pending updates. Think I'll have to reinstall that.-4wd (December 21, 2015, 04:56 PM)
On the desktop x64 they are but I've just upgraded the netbook x86 (it doesn't have deferred updates) and it's now sitting at 10586.14 with no pending updates, same as the desktop.-4wd (December 21, 2015, 08:59 PM)
This reminded me to check my netbook. It is still on Build 10240, but Windows update says it has an update available for 1511 10586. It's currently downloading. I'll find out what version number it ends up at when it's done and report back.-Deozaan (December 22, 2015, 12:09 AM)
Microsoft really needs to stop trying to be "cute".
I opened my laptop this morning to the messages:
- "Hi."
- "We've Updated your computer"
- "All your files are right where you've left them"
- "We have some new features we are excited about" (something like that)
The bad thing? "Hi" didn't stick around for long. Neither did the second line. After I looked up, I saw the third line. And it stayed there, unresponsive for over 5 minutes! Thankfully, I knew that I'd told it it could install, so it didn't freak me out too much. But some people are going bonkers when that comes up, and doesn't give any other information.
Thankfully, I changed it so that it has to ask me in order to restart my computer for installs. I was notified that it needed to restart, and scheduled it for 3:30 AM. That sort of straddles the line between leaving it on, and giving them full carte blanche.
That message *did* scare me, however.
Again, Microsoft needs to stop trying be "cute", and err on the side of being clear.-wraith808 (December 22, 2015, 10:42 AM)
This reminded me to check my netbook. It is still on Build 10240, but Windows update says it has an update available for 1511 10586. It's currently downloading. I'll find out what version number it ends up at when it's done and report back.-Deozaan (December 22, 2015, 12:09 AM)
I upgraded it using the 10586.0 ISO and then let it update.-4wd (December 22, 2015, 03:07 AM)
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Microsoft Windows 10 active on 200M devices (http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2016/01/04/microsoft-windows-10-200-million/78249372/)-Arizona Hot (January 05, 2016, 12:52 PM)
Just upgraded a Win7HP x86 system to Win10 x86 using 10586.0 ISO then let it update and it shows v1511 b10586.36 - so go figure :-\-4wd (December 23, 2015, 12:12 AM)
What happened to the "one size fits all" scheme? It seems every day on Softpedia the Windows 10 news is about some new specialized release. Or maybe I was behind the door when they abandoned it officially? :)-MilesAhead (January 05, 2016, 03:52 PM)
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.
I've installed all security updates for 8.1 (other updates *not* installed)
TIA :up:-tomos (January 06, 2016, 02:19 PM)
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.-tomos (January 06, 2016, 02:19 PM)
I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine. The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?-4wd (January 06, 2016, 06:09 PM)
I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine. The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?-4wd (January 06, 2016, 06:09 PM)
Really? Is that how it works? Is there no backing out at that stage?-dr_andus (January 06, 2016, 06:50 PM)
I bit the bullet and told it to 'Download Now, Upgrade Later' ... in my case, Microsoft's definition of 'later' was a bit different from mine. The download started immediately and when it was finished it said it wanted to restart to perform the upgrade ... WTF!?-4wd (January 06, 2016, 06:09 PM)
Really? Is that how it works? Is there no backing out at that stage?-dr_andus (January 06, 2016, 06:50 PM)
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?Yes: Check with the manufacturer of the computer if an upgrade to Windows 10 is supported.
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.-tomos (January 06, 2016, 02:19 PM)
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?-tomos (January 06, 2016, 02:19 PM)
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?Yes: Check with the manufacturer of the computer if an upgrade to Windows 10 is supported.
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.-tomos (January 06, 2016, 02:19 PM)
In hindsight I found out why my upgrade adventures failed for my Lenovo Y580 laptop: Lenovo states (https://support.lenovo.com/nl/nl/documents/ht103611) that it is not possible to upgrade that specific model (and a few others) to Windows 10.-Ath (January 07, 2016, 02:56 AM)
I'd recommend disconnecting your device from the internet once you've downloaded the update. In my experience, it takes forever "Checking for Updates" multiple times throughout the upgrade process when you're connected. I also had problems with failed upgrades which magically resolved themselves when I disconnected the internet connection during my upgrade attempt.-Deozaan (January 07, 2016, 03:06 AM)
Any tips for upgrading to Windows 10 now?Yes: Check with the manufacturer of the computer if an upgrade to Windows 10 is supported.
=> upgrading from 8.1, I'm going try keeping programmes unless advised otherwise.-tomos (January 06, 2016, 02:19 PM)
In hindsight I found out why my upgrade adventures failed for my Lenovo Y580 laptop: Lenovo states (https://support.lenovo.com/nl/nl/documents/ht103611) that it is not possible to upgrade that specific model (and a few others) to Windows 10.-Ath (January 07, 2016, 02:56 AM)
thanks Ath,
that knocks the idea on the head -- it's a Lenovo (n581) that is included in that list as not recommended. It doesnt clearly state why (that I could see), so I probably wont bother following up on it.-tomos (January 07, 2016, 04:43 AM)
It may be trickling in using BITS, so look for a hidden folder named $Windows.~BT on the root of the C: drive. In there you should have a - (getting) rather large - install.esd file in the (IIRC) sources folder.-Stoic Joker (January 08, 2016, 06:33 AM)
The waiting frustrated me too much ;D, I'd advice to use the MCT, get it from here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)-Ath (January 08, 2016, 09:11 AM)
The waiting frustrated me too much ;D, I'd advice to use the MCT, get it from here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)-Ath (January 08, 2016, 09:11 AM)
Me too TBH.. ;)-Stoic Joker (January 08, 2016, 11:04 AM)
The waiting frustrated me too much ;D, I'd advice to use the MCT, get it from here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)-Ath (January 08, 2016, 09:11 AM)
Me too TBH.. ;)-Stoic Joker (January 08, 2016, 11:04 AM)
Can you use that on multiple machines? I've downloaded it for one machine- but have others I'm looking at upgrading.-wraith808 (January 08, 2016, 12:32 PM)
I clicked on Start download now, upgrade later
I got a flash of this window (or something very similar) - but it immediately disappeared:-tomos (January 08, 2016, 06:18 AM)
The waiting frustrated me too much ;D, I'd advice to use the MCT, get it from here (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10)-Ath (January 08, 2016, 09:11 AM)
On second thought, I think I needed to install some .NET updates from Windows update before the GWX updater would work for me without just closing immediately. But this was on a fresh Windows 7 install. I'd expect Windows 8.1 to have most of the more recent .NET packages/updates.-Deozaan (January 11, 2016, 04:41 PM)
On second thought, I think I needed to install some .NET updates from Windows update before the GWX updater would work for me without just closing immediately. But this was on a fresh Windows 7 install. I'd expect Windows 8.1 to have most of the more recent .NET packages/updates.-Deozaan (January 11, 2016, 04:41 PM)
Does it for me on one of my Windows 8.1 Pro machines. This machine I previously upgraded to 10 Pro but then found that a USB TV Tuner didn't work, so restored an image of the drive.
Now that I have a solution for the hardware I told it a few times to Start Download, Upgrade Later but all it ever does is go to Windows Update and grab the latest Defender definitions - no sign of it downloading the upgrade at all.
I'll probably have to upgrade it via ISO.-4wd (January 11, 2016, 06:37 PM)
Tried again (update now) and it went to Windows Update and offered 10 -- is now updating :up:-tomos (January 12, 2016, 05:18 AM)
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Tomos: Time to meet the future.-Arizona Hot (January 28, 2016, 12:47 AM)
Today, we are releasing Build 14251 [to] Windows Insiders in the Fast ring.
Sharp-eyed Insiders likely noted the big jump in build numbers from our last preview build (11102). Historically, the codebase for mobile had a different OS version than the codebase for PC because they were developed by different teams on different schedules. With Windows 10, we became one Windows team and brought these two codebases together. We started by changing the version string displayed in the UI to be consistent, which is why you saw similarly labeled builds over the past year for both Mobile and PC, but the underlying binary version numbers were still different. As part of our work getting the common codebase ready for the next release, we decided to complete that work and sync the build numbers between mobile and PC. Because the mobile codebase used higher build numbers than PC, we needed to jump ahead a bunch of build numbers to ensure updates to future builds will continue to work. So that’s why build numbers went from 11105, 11106, and 11107 to 14251.-insiderhub://announcements/44329459-f020-4d08-a48a-f1b3f14b0b16
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I may be a bit slow today, but can anybody explain me where I can find this info screen in Windows 10? I've been unable to find it since I started using Windows 10 :-[-Ath (January 29, 2016, 01:49 AM)
Open a CLI and type winver.exe, or do it from Start->RunThnx! :up: (now I feel really silly, never used winver much, but it finally proves to be useful for something) :-[-4wd (January 29, 2016, 05:47 AM)
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Another day, another update. What would have made this one surreal is to have gotten it yesterday on Feb. 29.-Arizona Hot (March 01, 2016, 04:50 PM)
Before I allow the Win10 update to install on the Compaq, I thought I'd ask members on this forum of their experiences with making that change.I'd suggest to take the plunge, and see how performance holds up after the upgrade. If it's too poor, you can always revert within the first 30 days.
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As it stands, the Compaq runs very nicely under Win7 HP, even before the last extra 1Gb RAM has been added.-IainB (March 10, 2016, 03:45 AM)
I thought I'd ask members on this forum of their experiences with making that change.Assuming you're okay with allowing or thwarting the Google-y phone-home stuff…-IainB (March 10, 2016, 03:45 AM)
As part of its Windows 10 push, Microsoft declared it will end support for Windows 7 and 8.1 on Skylake processors, on July 17, 2017, three years before the official end of support for Windows 7. This ruffled a few feathers when it was first announced, and now it's drawn the ire of Microsoft's biggest OEM.
(...)
I have to suspect that HP and Dell are also facing the same issue. Now that it's in the open, Microsoft might find it harder to resist, especially if the three OEMs link arms and stand together on this.
There is no reason for Microsoft to end the support early other than to drive Windows 10 adoption. And while enterprises have a high rate of interest in Windows 10, there are still many that are not ready to move for whatever reason, and their hand should not be forced.
Microsoft seems to have caved in to the OEMs on this one.-xtabber (March 18, 2016, 03:48 PM)
"...how Microsoft makes up words, or changes the meaning of words to mean something completely different than common usage. Instead of saying we (Microsoft) got rid of briefcase because we want to force users to use the cloud and eventually pay for storage, we deprecated (sounds nicer though) it."Has anyone in the DC Forum succeeded in getting the Briefcase functionality back in Win10? :tellme:
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Just in case anyone else is having fun with the Windows 10 start menu disappearing periodically I'll stick this here. I never did find a specific trigger, but periodically the Action Center, Taskbar context menus, and start menu would all become completely unresponsive. Everything else worked fine...just those stopped working ... And that got annoying really (really...) fast.
The commands I found online that were supposed to fix it and their results are below:
1. SFC /SCANNOW -This one found and corrected some issues but ultimately had no effect.
2. DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth -This one did - best I could tell - do nothing.
3. Get-AppXPackage -AllUsers | Foreach {Add-AppxPackage -DisableDevelopmentMode -Register "$($_.InstallLocation)\AppXManifest.xml"} -This one finally got things moving again as all of the aforementioned problem children suddenly decided to spring into view about 2/3 of the way through its run. 24 hours later the machine is still behaving ... But time will tell.-Stoic Joker (April 12, 2016, 06:48 AM)
I posted about a similar issue in the Windows 10 Tips thread.-Deozaan (April 12, 2016, 05:01 PM)
I posted about a similar issue in the Windows 10 Tips thread.-Deozaan (April 12, 2016, 05:01 PM)
Oh that's where that went ... Crap! I knew I'd seen it somewhere around here but couldn't fine it again.
Reeally annoying issue ain't it?-Stoic Joker (April 13, 2016, 07:04 AM)
I posted about a similar issue in the Windows 10 Tips thread.-Deozaan (April 12, 2016, 05:01 PM)
Oh that's where that went ... Crap! I knew I'd seen it somewhere around here but couldn't fine it again.
Reeally annoying issue ain't it?-Stoic Joker (April 13, 2016, 07:04 AM)
Yes. I know someone who encountered that issue but nothing we tried would solve it. Even doing a system reset only "fixed" it for about 24 hours before it started up again. I just helped them reinstall Windows 7.-Deozaan (April 13, 2016, 01:32 PM)
^Bizarro Firewall kills Start Menu behavior has now been confirmed on four different machines at that location.-Stoic Joker (April 19, 2016, 12:34 PM)
^Bizarro Firewall kills Start Menu behavior has now been confirmed on four different machines at that location.-Stoic Joker (April 19, 2016, 12:34 PM)
You should report that in Windows Feedback so that it can be fixed!-Deozaan (April 19, 2016, 11:56 PM)
Upgrade to Windows 10. You will upgrade to Windows 10. Upgrade to Windows 10 now. Upgrade to Windows 10 during a live TV broadcast. Upgrade to Windows 10. Just upgrade. Now.
Even weather forecasts aren’t safe from Windows 10 upgrade prompts | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/28/11525418/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-prompt-storms-weather-report)Upgrade to Windows 10. You will upgrade to Windows 10. Upgrade to Windows 10 now. Upgrade to Windows 10 during a live TV broadcast. Upgrade to Windows 10. Just upgrade. Now.-dr_andus (April 28, 2016, 08:51 AM)
How about; then he wakes up, having dozed off in the simulator, and realizes it was all a dream; then he stares at his screen and realizes, it's just started to happen, for real. Then we get a look at his face, and it's Tom Hanks (or ??? -your fav actor-).Even weather forecasts aren’t safe from Windows 10 upgrade prompts | The Verge (http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/28/11525418/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-prompt-storms-weather-report)Upgrade to Windows 10. You will upgrade to Windows 10. Upgrade to Windows 10 now. Upgrade to Windows 10 during a live TV broadcast. Upgrade to Windows 10. Just upgrade. Now.-dr_andus (April 28, 2016, 08:51 AM)
I can see an astronaut on the moon. One of his cylinders is empty. He needs to switch to the full air tank. He swipes his touch screen. Up pops the message that he must now upgrade to Windows 10. He is holding his breath. After a few minutes the screen displays the message "Windows was not upgraded to version 10. Rolling back."
He turns blue waiting for the reboot. :)-MilesAhead (April 28, 2016, 09:58 AM)
How about; then he wakes up, having dozed off in the simulator, and realizes it was all a dream; then he stares at his screen and realizes, it's just started to happen, for real. Then we get a look at his face, and it's Tom Hanks (or ??? -your fav actor-).-holt (May 06, 2016, 07:04 AM)
An anti spying program with source code from WZor ... Now that is interesting.-Stoic Joker (June 15, 2016, 07:55 AM)
An anti spying program with source code from WZor ... Now that is interesting.-Stoic Joker (June 15, 2016, 07:55 AM)
Why is that so interesting? Just curious.-wraith808 (June 15, 2016, 09:25 AM)
Because they're one of the more reputable groups (quality product...) on the darker sideWho are they? Never heard of them before.-Stoic Joker (June 15, 2016, 11:11 AM)
| Blackbird removes W10 Upgrade Popups. | Block Win10 upgrade (GWX) messages on Windows 7/8 |
| Blackbird will remove downloaded Win10 pre-install files/folders. | Prevent your PC from auto-installing Windows 10 while you're not looking. |
Because they're one of the more reputable groups (quality product...) on the darker sideWho are they? Never heard of them before.-Stoic Joker (June 15, 2016, 11:11 AM)-f0dder (June 15, 2016, 01:07 PM)
burnt cornflake-Stoic Joker (June 16, 2016, 06:41 AM)
burnt cornflake-Stoic Joker (June 16, 2016, 06:41 AM)
;D Is that your term? Or an actual term?-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 10:19 AM)
burnt cornflake-Stoic Joker (June 16, 2016, 06:41 AM)
;D Is that your term? Or an actual term?-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 10:19 AM)
It's from the old expression: I feel like the one burnt cornflake on the bottom of the cereal box of life.
So it's me euphemistically trying to imply something without actually saying it. What's that Irish phrase they're currently in hot water for at the UN - Surely you know for yourself! - It's kinda like that. :D-Stoic Joker (June 16, 2016, 11:23 AM)
I got it just from context. It just seemed cool-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 11:56 AM)
I got it just from context. It just seemed cool-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 11:56 AM)
I tried looking it up in the Urban Dictionary. There are some alternative definitions there that may generate a laugh or two. One in particular I don't even want to paraphrase here. Let's just say I laughed out loud even though I am sitting in a library(shhhh!) :)-MilesAhead (June 16, 2016, 12:44 PM)
'm personally afraid of the urban dictionary after a few encounters. Things I never wanted to know, and hope were jokes.-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 01:23 PM)
I got it just from context. It just seemed cool-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 11:56 AM)
I tried looking it up in the Urban Dictionary. There are some alternative definitions there that may generate a laugh or two. One in particular I don't even want to paraphrase here. Let's just say I laughed out loud even though I am sitting in a library(shhhh!) :)-MilesAhead (June 16, 2016, 12:44 PM)
I'm personally afraid of the urban dictionary after a few encounters. Things I never wanted to know, and hope were jokes.-wraith808 (June 16, 2016, 01:23 PM)
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Microsoft wages war on 'crapware' with new Windows 10 tool (http://www.computerworld.com/article/3085489/microsoft-windows/microsoft-wages-war-on-crapware-with-new-windows-10-tool.html)-Arizona Hot (June 18, 2016, 11:22 AM)
it's tempting to have a dig at MS there. Although my problem is mainly with this very persistent adware on Windows 7 that's trying to get me to update to 10 . . .-tomos (June 18, 2016, 05:14 PM)
Did you accidentally enable Tablet mode? Or accidentally enable full-screen Start Menu? (Or maybe the update changed your setting to a full screen Start?)-Deozaan (June 21, 2016, 01:42 AM)
Hah! Just got an email this morning from Microsoft:
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Asudem: Until July 29 you can probably just re-install Win 10. I downloaded the installer myself. If you can't reinstall Win 10 the way you did before because of the shorted USB port, it's a hardware problem not a software problem. You have until July 29th to get that fixed and reinstall Win 10.-Arizona Hot (June 24, 2016, 11:14 PM)
If you need to install or reinstall Windows 10 using a USB or DVD, you can use the media creation tool below to create your own installation media
I want to do a clean install of Windows 10-Asudem (June 24, 2016, 09:42 PM)
Hurry! Free upgrade offer to Windows 10 ends in 28 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes, 49 seconds . Upgrade today>-Microsoft
This might have been answered somewhere in the thread, but I'm in a little predicament here...
Made the switch from 7 to 10 and it's just about the best upgrade I've ever done... however over the weekend I accidentally shorted a USB port and now I am getting many BSODs, random ones at that. I want to do a clean install of Windows 10 but have no idea how to get an installer without purchasing Windows 10 outright. I remember reading something about using my old Windows 7 key to get an installer?-Asudem (June 24, 2016, 09:42 PM)
It rather looks like my luck has run out with Windows 10-64 PRO.
So far the Windows Update log shows 5 occurrences of Failed to install Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3172985) on these dates:-IainB (July 19, 2016, 11:42 AM)
@4wd: Trouble is, I kept no record of what I might have turned OFF!-IainB (July 26, 2016, 08:28 AM)
I hate to do anything that might make someone's job more sucky, or them to lose it.-wraith808 (July 29, 2016, 06:38 PM)
But I'm concerned for the unknowing that gets him, and then spend $119 on an upgrade they don't need because they think they're stuck.-wraith808 (July 29, 2016, 07:55 PM)
Linux Users Reporting Windows 10 Anniversary Update Hoses Their Dual Boot Partitions (http://hothardware.com/news/linux-users-reporting-windows-10-anniversary-update-hoses-their-dual-boot-partitions)-Arizona Hot (August 03, 2016, 04:14 PM)
That makes it then a triple boot setup :P-Shades (August 05, 2016, 07:52 PM)
But somehow the grub bootloader only shows Mint and Windows. Then, if I select Windows, I get a Windows bootloader which allows me to choose between Windows and Remix OS.-Deozaan (August 05, 2016, 09:12 PM)
I used to have that problem- it was solved by removing the other options. If windows senses others installed, it shows you that bootloader menu. Unfortunately, I forget how I got the others to not show up.-wraith808 (August 06, 2016, 09:52 AM)
What’s the Best Antivirus for Windows 10? (Is Windows Defender Good Enough?) (http://www.howtogeek.com/225385/what%E2%80%99s-the-best-antivirus-for-windows-10-is-windows-defender-good-enough/)The Windows OS now comes bundled with the built-in "Defender" - which seems to comprise 3 integrated but separate components:
An article that recommends Malwarebytes. Who here doesn't like it?
__________________________________-Arizona Hot (August 15, 2016, 07:53 PM)
Gole1 is an Affordable Windows 10 Mini PC with Multi-Touch Display-Arizona Hot (September 14, 2016, 02:48 PM)
Gole1 is an Affordable Windows 10 Mini PC with Multi-Touch Display-Arizona Hot (September 14, 2016, 02:48 PM)
Who the hell has pockets that big??-Stoic Joker (September 14, 2016, 03:42 PM)
Who the hell has pockets that big??-Stoic Joker (September 14, 2016, 03:42 PM)
For me, Windows 10 has by far been the operating system that has been the easiest to have. The easiest to install and the easiest to use - the easiest to "live with". I also think it has been easier for both my laptop and for my PC to run Windows 10, rather than Windows 7 (I have never tried Win 8.).
I recommend getblackbird-Curt (June 15, 2016, 05:00 PM)
Blackbird does not currently support Redstone builds.-blackbird 0.9.95 32
Anyone here still using Win 7?Yes, on my work-pc I don't have enough free diskspace to do the upgrade :huh: Think I'll wait until my next system-replacement, next year.-Arizona Hot (September 21, 2016, 11:54 PM)
Anyone here still using Win 7?-Arizona Hot (September 21, 2016, 11:54 PM)
I simply don’t have the time now to spend working around Microsoft’s debugging process for Win 10. When Microsoft gets their act together and things stabilize, I will consider upgrading the OS, but not before.-xtabber (September 22, 2016, 09:20 AM)
Microsoft has been criticised over its Windows 10 software by consumer rights group Which?.
The body said it had received hundreds of complaints about the upgrade, including lost files, emails no longer syncing and broken wi-fi and printing.
In some cases, it said, users had had to pay for their computer to be repaired. (...)
Which? surveyed more than 5,500 of its members in June, and said that 12% of the 2,500 who had upgraded to Windows 10 had later reverted to an earlier version.
I simply don’t have the time now to spend working around Microsoft’s debugging process for Win 10. When Microsoft gets their act together and things stabilize, I will consider upgrading the OS, but not before.-xtabber (September 22, 2016, 09:20 AM)
Yup. Well put. Same here.-dr_andus (September 22, 2016, 11:26 AM)
I simply don’t have the time now to spend working around Microsoft’s debugging process for Win 10. When Microsoft gets their act together and things stabilize, I will consider upgrading the OS, but not before.-xtabber (September 22, 2016, 09:20 AM)
Yup. Well put. Same here.-dr_andus (September 22, 2016, 11:26 AM)
Isn't that the same as for any organization? I don't ever remember one of my organizations being on the cutting edge of OS upgrades, ever.-wraith808 (September 22, 2016, 12:32 PM)
Anyone here still using Win 7?
I didn't realize that you could no longer easily go back to a previous version of Windows during the first 31 days (From Point 4 of the article). This will make me think twice before upgrading to Windows 10. Fortunately I keep my OS and Data on separate partitions, so the "Nuclear Option" of returning to Windows 7 is easier.-exjoburger (September 26, 2016, 12:54 PM)
... and it wouldn't let me give it a window of more than 12 hours, ...-wraith808 (October 02, 2016, 06:34 PM)
Then, when it started, it had removed/blocked my displayfusion. And put up some BS FUD about it might damage my computer.
However, if you upgrade now you will have 31 days from now to determine if you want to stay with Windows 10, if you don't then you can revert to the previous OS. But again, once the 31 days expires that option is removed.-4wd (September 26, 2016, 09:04 PM)
You'll be able to go back to an earlier version by going to Settings > Update & security > Recovery . The time you have to go back depends on what version of Windows 10 your PC is running after the upgrade. For example, if your PC is running Windows 10 Version 1511, you have a month to go back to your previous operating system. If your PC is running Windows 10 Version 1607, you have 10 days to go back. (To see what version of Windows 10 your PC is running after you upgrade, select the Start button, then select Settings > System > About .
... and it wouldn't let me give it a window of more than 12 hours, ...-wraith808 (October 02, 2016, 06:34 PM)
Yeah, annoyed me too but it did say that it will check to see if the computer is being used if outside that 12 hour window.Then, when it started, it had removed/blocked my displayfusion. And put up some BS FUD about it might damage my computer.
I didn't get that, DF continued to work without a problem, ClassicShell upgraded itself to cope with the new updates.-4wd (October 02, 2016, 07:22 PM)
Is anyone here really happy with vanilla Windows 10?-exjoburger (September 26, 2016, 12:54 PM)
... and it wouldn't let me give it a window of more than 12 hours, ...-wraith808 (October 02, 2016, 06:34 PM)
Yeah, annoyed me too but it did say that it will check to see if the computer is being used if outside that 12 hour window.Then, when it started, it had removed/blocked my displayfusion. And put up some BS FUD about it might damage my computer.
I didn't get that, DF continued to work without a problem, ClassicShell upgraded itself to cope with the new updates.-4wd (October 02, 2016, 07:22 PM)
I was actually able to get it to run. And the thing that bothered me about the check for activity, is that it takes 90 mins+ to install. Just because I went upstairs to get coffee, I wouldn't be ready to install.
And they installed skype, and made it front and center.-wraith808 (October 02, 2016, 07:40 PM)
You could therefore consider Home and Pro users of Windows 10 beta testers as well to a degree. All those systems report back to Microsoft, and the company may use the information to make sure to fix them before they hit the bulk of the company's valuable Enterprise customers.
When trying to update MediaInfo from 0.7.61 to 0.7.89 today, the update had problems and I had to reinstall the previous version I had. Has anyone here had this problem?-Arizona Hot (October 15, 2016, 08:39 PM)
When trying to update MediaInfo from 0.7.61 to 0.7.89 today, the update had problems and I had to reinstall the previous version I had. Has anyone here had this problem?-Arizona Hot (October 15, 2016, 08:39 PM)
What is MediaInfo and what does it have to do with Windows 10? This probably belongs in a new thread.-Deozaan (October 15, 2016, 11:57 PM)
When trying to update MediaInfo from 0.7.61 to 0.7.89 today, the update had problems and I had to reinstall the previous version I had. Has anyone here had this problem? 0.7.89 is the latest version and the installer could do both 32-bit and 64-bit installs. I was installing on my 32-bit machine. I tried to install on my 64-bit machine with the installer from SourceForge and had no problems. I downloaded the SourceForge version on my 32-bit machine and it still had problems so I aborted the install, but when I checked the version it said it was the 0.7.89 version and worked fine.
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]-Arizona Hot (October 15, 2016, 08:39 PM)
When trying to update MediaInfo from 0.7.61 to 0.7.89 today, the update had problems and I had to reinstall the previous version I had. Has anyone here had this problem? 0.7.89 is the latest version and the installer could do both 32-bit and 64-bit installs. I was installing on my 32-bit machine. I tried to install on my 64-bit machine with the installer from SourceForge and had no problems. I downloaded the SourceForge version on my 32-bit machine and it still had problems so I aborted the install, but when I checked the version it said it was the 0.7.89 version and worked fine.
[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ] [ You are not allowed to view attachments ]-Arizona Hot (October 15, 2016, 08:39 PM)
Just for grins I would try installing somewhere other than the Program Files folders. From Vista onward every Windows release has increased permissions needed to write files there. I don't know why they get these ideas that break programs. But many utilities cannot write to their own install folders unless run as administrator. There is no good reason for it that I know of.-MilesAhead (October 16, 2016, 06:35 AM)
You only install to the Program Files. There is a program data, where all of the data for the programs should be stored. You can also use the expedient of installing to the user's profile.-wraith808 (October 16, 2016, 02:18 PM)
You only install to the Program Files. There is a program data, where all of the data for the programs should be stored. You can also use the expedient of installing to the user's profile.-wraith808 (October 16, 2016, 02:18 PM)
I know. But MS likes to change this stuff around every couple of releases it seems. I like to set up so that my stuff works the same from XP to W8. If on a multi-user machine it's a different story. But for a true single user setup I see no reason not to make a folder C:\Utils like I have been doing for years and make a subfolder for each utility that needs to be in a folder. For command line stuff I just copy to C:\Utils and have it in the path. Also it makes it easy to copy shortcuts to other machines. For example after a custom install my programs in C:\Utils only need to have shortcuts copied on to be back in business.-MilesAhead (October 17, 2016, 06:58 AM)
And you stated that you didn't know why they get these ideas that break programs. I was just telling the reason. Access to the Program Files directory can be just as injurious as access to the system directory.-wraith808 (October 17, 2016, 08:32 AM)
And you stated that you didn't know why they get these ideas that break programs. I was just telling the reason. Access to the Program Files directory can be just as injurious as access to the system directory.-wraith808 (October 17, 2016, 08:32 AM)
But people who run single folder portable type programs that were designed to install in the program files folders and write to their own install folder are not going to uninstall and reinstall just to satisfy MS. The will run a Take Ownership utility and have done with it. So what good does it do except to be a pita?
There are hundreds of little XP utilities that still work fine if not broken by MS. Since they have such good reasons for all they do I would still like the explanation why they allowed spaces in file paths if not to deliberately break code? Yet again another Program Files gimmick to move there from Programs to break all the programs of all the coders who weren't given a heads up to wrap the path in double quotes. They deliberately set out to make non MS affiliated coders look bad. There's no other possible motive.-MilesAhead (October 17, 2016, 10:29 AM)
Most people aren't in that category. This was no intended slight from my estimation; it was a desire to make things more secure.-wraith808 (October 17, 2016, 12:44 PM)
I was only talking about way back when they changed the name of the folder where programs were installed to "Program Files" including the space between.-MilesAhead (October 17, 2016, 05:45 PM)
I was only talking about way back when they changed the name of the folder where programs were installed to "Program Files" including the space between.-MilesAhead (October 17, 2016, 05:45 PM)
That was because of upgraded capabilities in the OS, IIRC. Before that, there wasn't any equivalent. And that was introduced in Windows 95?
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120307-00/?p=8153/#10279251-wraith808 (October 17, 2016, 06:09 PM)
I was only talking about way back when they changed the name of the folder where programs were installed to "Program Files" including the space between.-MilesAhead (October 17, 2016, 05:45 PM)
That was because of upgraded capabilities in the OS, IIRC. Before that, there wasn't any equivalent. And that was introduced in Windows 95?
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120307-00/?p=8153/#10279251-wraith808 (October 17, 2016, 06:09 PM)
If they were not deliberately throwing in a monkey wrench all they had to do to avoid the path error I noted was to name the folder ProgramFiles without the space. Since they went out of their way to include the space one has to assume creating the launch errors was intentional. It broke some of their own software so it is impossible for me to believe these errors did not show up during testing.-MilesAhead (October 18, 2016, 07:42 AM)
I was only talking about way back when they changed the name of the folder where programs were installed to "Program Files" including the space between.-MilesAhead (October 17, 2016, 05:45 PM)
That was because of upgraded capabilities in the OS, IIRC. Before that, there wasn't any equivalent. And that was introduced in Windows 95?
https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20120307-00/?p=8153/#10279251-wraith808 (October 17, 2016, 06:09 PM)
If they were not deliberately throwing in a monkey wrench all they had to do to avoid the path error I noted was to name the folder ProgramFiles without the space. Since they went out of their way to include the space one has to assume creating the launch errors was intentional. It broke some of their own software so it is impossible for me to believe these errors did not show up during testing.-MilesAhead (October 18, 2016, 07:42 AM)
How did it break anything other than 16-bit applications? The capabilities of Windows 95 allowed for spaces. Before that, there were no central locations. Also, applications that would have been running on 16-bit windows would see PROGRA~1 no matter what as directories had a limit of 8 characters (ah the 8.3 days). The space makes literally no extra difference for those applications. There were errors, sure because of the change. But the change that you're referring to has literally no difference to any legacy program that would be affected by it.-wraith808 (October 18, 2016, 09:32 AM)
You haven't given any argument otherwise, other than that you were inconvenienced by it. While I've given many counter examples.
There used to be a trend in blaming Microsoft for everything bad, and that it was intentional, rather than unforeseen. That's what this feels like.
In all honesty, I wish they would move ahead, and not take older Windows 3.1 16-bit applications into account when developing the file system. Not worry about legacy compatibility. Anything that can't handle spaces in the name in this day and age is either (a) old, or (b) not developed correctly.
Windows wouldn't be so much of a mish mash if they quit taking into account old legacy applications. But they don't.
But we do agree on something. If you can't look at the arguments and links I provided above, and see how it explains away the fact that they were using spaces to booby trap the file system, then nothing I say will convince you otherwise.-wraith808 (October 18, 2016, 10:48 AM)
The "old" software that cannot handle the spaces in filenames is Windows cmd.exe.-MilesAhead (October 18, 2016, 03:17 PM)
Afa doing things deliberately goes, the fact that various Windows programming books were published under variations on the title "Undocumented Windows" is proof in itself. The programmers on the buddy list got a cheat sheet of undocumented calls. The other programmers got to trial and error it.-MilesAhead (October 18, 2016, 03:17 PM)
That's incorrect. Type cd "\program files\" at the prompt in the regular cmd.exe, and it works. Or just type cd \progra~1 and it works, which is what I stated above.-wraith808 (October 18, 2016, 03:30 PM)
In my opinion, you're calling malice when there are many other explanations (incompetence, missed testing, programmer shortcuts, etc). But that would require that you take a more forgiving interpretation.-wraith808 (October 18, 2016, 03:30 PM)
That's incorrect. Type cd "\program files\" at the prompt in the regular cmd.exe, and it works. Or just type cd \progra~1 and it works, which is what I stated above.-wraith808 (October 18, 2016, 03:30 PM)
If it could handle the spaces you would not need the quotes. As I said, the space should be either a valid path character or a separator character, but not both. Why don't we just require double quoting any file path that contains an 'e' ?? It's just as valid to do that as to quote around the spaces.-MilesAhead (October 18, 2016, 05:53 PM)
And why do we want to be forgiving of Microsoft?-MilesAhead (October 18, 2016, 05:59 PM)
@Arizona Hot: Eh? What elections?-IainB (November 09, 2016, 07:15 PM)
@Arizona Hot: Eh? What elections?-IainB (November 09, 2016, 07:15 PM)
Hahaha, not quite. Obviously I was merely joking about your assumption that readers would know about the elections, in what I wrote above. I am (as usual) at a loss to comprehend American politics, but with the news feeds chokka with "US elections!" news items, and, though I have not been following the elections per se, how could one possibly not know that the elections were "on"? :D@Arizona Hot: Eh? What elections?You being in New Zealand, I can see why you're in denial about Clinton losing in the elections here. What other reason could you have for denying knowledge about someone as loud and blatant as Donald Trump.-IainB (November 09, 2016, 07:15 PM)-Arizona Hot (November 11, 2016, 04:22 PM)
...Also: I am very pleased with Blackbird ("Windows 10 - Collection of Hacks, Tweaks, Improvements" https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=43183.msg403836 ); now updated for the newest 1607 Win 10, I am positive my Windows laptop now is starting faster and running smoother.I thought that Blackbird looked pretty good, but I when it came time to use it I decided it was a bit too risky a "black box", so in the end did not use it. I consider that it needs a reliable "Undo" feature for each thing that it does.-Curt (November 12, 2016, 05:46 AM)
While I'm here: @ proud IainB, I agree with your daughter, and I have been very disappointed with all these democrats not behaving democratic. The guy has been democratic elected; Now go and support your president = now go and support your democracy = be a democrat!-Curt (November 12, 2016, 05:46 AM)
it needs a reliable "Undo" feature for each thing that it does.-IainB (November 12, 2016, 07:28 AM)
The good news is that Microsoft is working on an update mechanism that will just update directly to the latest version instead of having to download an outdated update before being able to download the most recent one.-Deozaan (December 14, 2016, 07:02 PM)
Basically it is a hack that has become institutionalized along with the side effect that MS now controls your system rather than you.Sometime in 2017 I may be able to get a new modestly priced pc, and it's got me to wondering about all the rag-chewing when this thread first began airing 37 pages ago about wild reports that Windows 10 abuses the update function and self-installs onto Windows 8 & 7, it regularly searches for and sends copies of all text and pix files to MS without your awareness, knowledge, or permission, and reserves the privilege of monitoring and deleting anything deemed 'infringing', and I forget what else. So what's the score with Windows 10 now? I admit to being so disconnected from this scene, that once I'm finally ready to get a new machine, my current preferred option is to swap my Windows XP Home onto a SSD to install in the new box; or maybe purchase and install Windows XP Professional and rebuild something as close as possible to my current WinXP Home OS. IOW to stick with some form of WinXP. For one thing, I've got some really nice but exclusively WinXP-compatible programs I would hate to sacrifice just for the sake of upgrading to Windows 10 (especially what with all the bad rumors I just named).-Deozaan (December 14, 2016, 07:02 PM)
Basically it is a hack that has become institutionalized along with the side effect that MS now controls your system rather than you.Sometime in 2017 I may be able to get a new modestly priced pc, and it's got me to wondering about all the rag-chewing when this thread first began airing 37 pages ago about wild reports that Windows 10 abuses the update function and self-installs onto Windows 8 & 7, it regularly searches for and sends copies of all text and pix files to MS without your awareness, knowledge, or permission, and reserves the privilege of monitoring and deleting anything deemed 'infringing', and I forget what else. So what's the score with Windows 10 now? I admit to being so disconnected from this scene, that once I'm finally ready to get a new machine, my current preferred option is to swap my Windows XP Home onto a SSD to install in the new box; or maybe purchase and install Windows XP Professional and rebuild something as close as possible to my current WinXP Home OS. IOW to stick with some form of WinXP. For one thing, I've got some really nice but exclusively WinXP-compatible programs I would hate to sacrifice just for the sake of upgrading to Windows 10 (especially what with all the bad rumors I just named).-Deozaan (December 14, 2016, 07:02 PM)-holt (December 15, 2016, 07:35 PM)
Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.-fredemeister (December 15, 2016, 09:25 PM)
Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.-fredemeister (December 15, 2016, 09:25 PM)
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture. 8)-holt (December 15, 2016, 09:50 PM)
Win10 cannot arbitrarily upgrade WinXP, or sift through XP's pix and word files to see if anything needs to be arbitrarily deleted because it 'infringes' or qualifies as slanderous or libelous 'fake news' thought crime.Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.-fredemeister (December 15, 2016, 09:25 PM)
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture. 8)-holt (December 15, 2016, 09:50 PM)
Mine's a Core 2Duo 3ghz, ran well with XP, also W10 runs faster, no lags unless I'm processing big photos.-fredemeister (December 16, 2016, 03:35 PM)
Win10 cannot arbitrarily upgrade WinXP, or sift through XP's pix and word files to see if anything needs to be arbitrarily deleted because it 'infringes' or qualifies as slanderous or libelous 'fake news' thought crime.Her pc has been almost error free since it was set up when it was new: it's an IBM P4 2.8ghz.Interesting! Mine is an Intel Celeron 2.66ghz. Like you said, 'it runs, and runs, and runs'.-fredemeister (December 15, 2016, 09:25 PM)
Altho, come to think of it, I wonder if such a vintage OS can take advantage of the newer dual- or quad-core architecture. 8)-holt (December 15, 2016, 09:50 PM)
Mine's a Core 2Duo 3ghz, ran well with XP, also W10 runs faster, no lags unless I'm processing big photos.-fredemeister (December 16, 2016, 03:35 PM)-holt (December 17, 2016, 08:09 AM)
Start
- The animation when moving tiles in and out of a folder has been polished further
- The default tile lay-out has been updated
Microsoft Edge
Edge 40.15019
- You can now let Edge read books aloud to you
- If you click on an image, you can now use Ctrl + Mouse wheel to zoom in the e-book viewer
EdgeHTML 15.15019
- When using emoji’s, Edge will now render them in full color by default
- WebRTC 1.0 is now enabled by default
- Re-deferral support
- Chakra JIT is not out-of-process by default
- Support for SharedArrayBuffer behind the Experimental JavaScript Features flag
- Support for WebAssembly behind the Experimental JavaScript Features flag
about:flags
- "Enable WebRTC 1.0" has been removed
Settings
System
- "Blue light" has been renamed "Night light"
- Night light has an updated range for color temperatures
- Custom scaling has been added as a subpage
Personalization
- The Wheel settings now list customizable apps alphabetically
- The "Get more themes from the Store" button has been moved to the top of the Installed themes section
Gaming
- Gaming has been added as a new category in the Settings app
- "Game bar" has been added and allows you to manage the Game bar and hotkeys
- "Game DVR" has been added with settings like storage location, FPS and more
- "Broadcasting" has been added with settings to manage your broadcasts like audio quality and more
- "Game Mode" has been added and allows you to enable Game Mode which will improve overall performance while playing a game
Privacy
- You're now either in the "Basic" or "Full" group for feedback and diagnostics, with "Enhanced" removed
- You can now disable Microsoft from using diagnostic data to provide a tailored experience
Update & recovery
- Troubleshoot has been added as a new page and allows you to easily start troubleshooting a number of features in Windows
- Under "Restart settings" you can now require Windows Update to show more notifications before restarting
- The option to prevent Windows Update from installing drivers has been removed
Mixed Reality
- "Holographic" has been renamed "Mixed Reality"
- Settings on "Audio and speech" are now functional
- "Environment" has been added and allows you to clear information about your environmnet
- "Headset display" has been added and allows you to change display quality
- "Spaces" has been added and allows you to remove holograms in your environment
- "Uninstall" has been added and allows you to uninstall Mixed Reality
Ink Workspace
- Improved copy reliability in Screen Sketch
System
- The OOBE experience now includes a number of new privacy settings like Location, Speech recognition and Diagnostics
- The OOBE now supports captive portal Wi-Fi connections
- The OOBE has an updated design for signing into or signing up for a Microsoft Account
- The OOBE now has pagination to indicate your progress
- The OOBE now uses the new Windows Hello implementation to enroll
- The OOBE now uses a recorded voice instead of a synthetic voice
- The OOBE now supports subtitles
- While you're account is being prepared after an upgrade or after installation, new strings will appear
Language
- Latin-based languages now have an ellipsis child key when holding the period key on the touch keyboard
Apps
Mixed Reality Portal
- "Windows Holographic" has been renamed "Mixed Reality Portal"
- When clicking on "Get started", you'll now see a setup instead of the compatibility results
Windows Defender Security Center
- Browser and app management has been added to the home page but is broken
Other features
- You can now record with Beam
- You can now resize Hyper-V windows in Enhanced session mode
- 17 games have been added to the list of full-screen supported with the Game bar
- Paint now has a "Open Paint 3D" button in the ribbon
- The on-screen touchpad has a new design to make to left and right button better visible
And further
- The System (Enhanced) setting is now available in the Windows ADK for IT Professionals
- Improved Settings reliability
Fixed issues
- Unknown fixes and enhancements to the OOBE
- Fixes an issue where right-clicking the night light quick action and clicking on Settings would open the main Settings screen instead of the night light settings
- Fixes an issue where waking your device from sleep or connecting a new monitor would make Windows ignore the night light setting
- Fixes an issue that would cause Explorer to hang if night light was enabled
- Fixes an issue where connecting an Xbox 360 or One Controller to your PC would crash the DWM
- Fixes an issue where in some games using Alt + Tab would cause both the game and the newly focused window to flicker
- Fixes an issue where Narrator might not speak or say "No item in view" in Edge while tabbing or using other navigation commands
- Fixes an issue where pasting on top of selected text in a Web Note would cause Edge to crash
- Fixes an issue that kept users from viewing Twitch.tv streams in Edge
- Fixes an issue where sharing a PDF in Edge would cause the browser to crash
- Fixes an issue where typing [ in the F12 Developer Tools window would not work on the Hungarian keyboard
- Fixes an issue where Taskbar preview icons would be small on high-DPI devices
- Fixes an issue where tapping outside a textbox with focus in an UWP app would not dismiss the on-screen keyboard
- Fixes a typo in the compatibility option to override high-DPI scaling
- Fixes an issue where newly pinned secondary tiles would appear in the Recently Added list
- Fixes an issue that prevented you from dragging the final tile from a folder onto the same row as the folder tile
- Fixes an issue where using Hey Cortana could cause SpeechRuntime.exe to use a high amount of CPU
- Fixes an issue where Notepad when maximized with enough text to require a scrollbar would result in the scrollbar's right-most edge not responding when trying to drag it
- Fixes an issue where pressing Alt to set focus to the menu bar in some apps would cause that app to become unresponsive if pressing Ctrl or clicking inside the app's child window
- Fixes an issue where Cortana could crash when typing out a UNC path to slow when that path has been used in Cortana before
- Fixes an issue where Default apps would crash when you clicked on an app under "Choose default app" and selected the option to look for an app in the Store
- Fixes an issue that could cause some apps to crash after using the Open dialog to rename or open a folder
- Fixes an issue where Win + Shift + S would not work in the Snipping Tool if it was set to something other than Rectangle
- Fixes an issue where Windows would open multiple Snipping Tool processes when using Win + Shift + S and hitting Esc to stop
- Fixes an issue where some file attributes, like +s, would get lost when copying or moving a folder to another partition
- Fixes an issue where using the Command Prompt with some fonts would cause conhost.exe to use a lot of CPU
- Fixes an issue with Windows Ink where undoing and redoing a point erase would cause the ink to reappear in the wrong order
- Fixes an issue where the mouse and keyboard would become unresponsive for a few seconds at a time
- Fixes an issue where some apps would crash when switched to Tablet Mode
- Fixes an issue where calendar appointments that are marked Tentative or Out of Office would show up as Free in the Taskbar clock and calendar flyout
- Fixes an issue where slideshows would not work when selecting multiple folders in the Background Settings
- Fixes an issue where pages would flash when navigating from and back to the Theme settings
- Fixes an issue on the Bluetooth & other devices settings page where it would show "Systemsettings.Viewmodel.settingentry" at the bottom
- Fixes an issue that could cause the Netflix app to crash on launch
- Fixes an issue where the Netflix app would crash when starting a movie on certain hardware types
- Fixes an issue where DOTA2 would not launch correctly
Known issues
- The download indicator when downloading a new build is broken
- Nonstop exceptions in the Spectrum.exe service may occur resulting in audio not working and disk I/O becoming very high
- Some Google sites will not load due to an implementation of a new security model
- Microsoft Edge extensions do not work in this build
- The F12 Developer Tools may crash, hang or fail to accept input
- "Inspect Element" and "View Source" options don't work correctly in Edge
- Windows Insiders will see a "Mixed Reality" entry in the Settings app
- Some captive portal Wi-Fi networks will fail to connect in the OOBE
- Yes and No commands in the OOBE will fail
- Quicken will fail to run with an error stating .NET 4.6.1 is not installed
- Dragging apps from All apps to pin them on the Start screen won't work
- Some Tencent apps and games may crash or work incorrectly in this build
- Windows Update might claim that "Some Settings are managed by your organization" despite not being managed
- Audio could stop working with a "Device in use"-error
- The Action Center could appear blank and transparent
- Clicking some elements in desktop games might cause the game to minimize without being able to restore it
- The Game Mode setting will initially be displayed incorrectly
- Some games may experience crashes or black screens when loading
- Broadcasting to Beam from the Game bar will require some Privacy settings to be changed
- The broadcast live review window in the Game bar may flash green when broadcasting
-https://changewindows.org/build/15019/pc
We should probably mark informational posts about Fast Ring/Insider builds as "beta" or "preview" releases so people who aren't part of the Fast Ring/Insider program don't worry they'll be affected by these issues. Otherwise it just seems a bit like fearmongering, IMO.
Related: I came across a site that somewhat nicely lists all the recent changes to Windows 10 builds, and even makes it clear who will be affected by the changes (Fast Ring, Release, Business, Xbox, Mobile, etc.)
https://changewindows.org/
With this you can see what actually changed, rather than the standard boilerplate of "This update improves functionality and security of Windows." or whatever it usually says. For example, here's what it says changed in 15019:-Deozaan (January 30, 2017, 03:19 PM)
Looking for advice for a Windows 10 laptop that hasn't been used for a couple of months --
should I:
(1) let it update itself (if so, any idea how long that might take, and how I can keep an eye on it)
or
(2) download updates and install manually? (dont even know if that possible)-tomos (February 14, 2017, 07:30 AM)
Looking for advice for a Windows 10 laptop that hasn't been used for a couple of months --
should I:
(1) let it update itself (if so, any idea how long that might take, and how I can keep an eye on it)
or
(2) download updates and install manually? (dont even know if that possible)-tomos (February 14, 2017, 07:30 AM)
Microsoft has been pushing cumulative updates every month or so. Which should solve the problem you'd see in Windows 7 or earlier where if you do a fresh install of the OS you then have to download and install years worth of updates separately.
That said, they have also been updating the ISO for Windows 10 somewhat regularly, so it's not that hard to get a recent version made as installation media. But again, this is just for a fresh install of the OS. I don't know if it's possible to download and install updates manually. I'd do as Ath says, and either let it update itself or manually go to Windows Update and click the "Check for updates" button to kickstart the process.-Deozaan (February 14, 2017, 11:35 AM)
Microsoft is also starting to roll out delta updates, which should make updating in the future easier as well. Resulting in smaller downloads/patches if you've kept up to date. :Thmbsup:-Deozaan (March 16, 2017, 09:38 AM)
Microsoft is also starting to roll out delta updates, which should make updating in the future easier as well. Resulting in smaller downloads/patches if you've kept up to date. :Thmbsup:But only after you've updated to the Creators edition, due in April... (afaik)-Deozaan (March 16, 2017, 09:38 AM)
Microsoft is also starting to roll out delta updates, which should make updating in the future easier as well. Resulting in smaller downloads/patches if you've kept up to date. :Thmbsup:But only after you've updated to the Creators edition, due in April... (afaik)-Deozaan (March 16, 2017, 09:38 AM)-Ath (March 17, 2017, 06:59 AM)
I must say, I really hate this update process. Continually, I have to hard reboot my daughter's machine because she's on a wireless adapter on her desktop (though her laptop doesn't have the same problem- go figure). It will just be on a screen with the chasing dots, and stay there. One time, I tried to just let it go because she was out of town- after days, it was still there. But I hard reboot it (sometimes once, sometimes twice after it goes through it again), and then it says restoring old installation.-wraith808 (March 17, 2017, 03:43 PM)
I've found on a laptop I have that it will occasionally get stuck on the spinning dots screen after an update. A solution that almost always clears things up for me is to shut down, remove all USB devices from the machine (the only one I have in this machine is a wireless mouse dongle), and boot it up. The machine boots up relatively quickly and then I can plug in the USB devices again, and all is well until the next update breaks it.-Deozaan (March 17, 2017, 04:36 PM)
It's emerged that Microsoft's latest computer friendly operating system has been recording everything you've typed since it first launched without you knowing.
That means everything from your boring work documents to your private emails, via that occasional smutty instant message to your partner, has been tracked.
More than that, if you've made voice searches, all of your vocal commands and message dictations have been recorded too.
Although you can opt out of the feature in Settings, worryingly with every major Windows 10 update released, it's claimed that Microsoft has reset the feature to on as default.
Doesn't this go without saying? How else can they "improve your typing/voice recognition" or keyboard suggestions? Google does the same with with the Google Keyboard (Gboard?) on Android devices, as well as with the voice searches.-Deozaan (March 25, 2017, 05:23 PM)
Which programs would benefit from that (especially keyboard) improvement. I am not a regular windows 10 user but the times I have used it I have not come across a place where that benefits me (I haven't turned it off). Is it Office? Edge? or?-rgdot (March 25, 2017, 08:17 PM)
Any Microsoft Insiders interested in this upcoming offering?-Arizona Hot (April 01, 2017, 10:02 PM)
I found this to be a decent overview of the major new features of the Creators Update:-Deozaan (April 05, 2017, 10:29 PM)
Dynamic Lock lets you automatically lock a Windows 10 PC when you’re away from it.
Dynamic Lock lets you automatically lock a Windows 10 PC when you’re away from it.
Is this 1995 or something :P
I know it's more than just that, well at least it better be lol.-rgdot (April 13, 2017, 08:24 PM)
Dynamic Lock lets you automatically lock a Windows 10 PC when you’re away from it.
Is this 1995 or something :P
I know it's more than just that, well at least it better be lol.-rgdot (April 13, 2017, 08:24 PM)
I think the idea is that it detects the presence of a Bluetooth device (such as a smart watch) and locks when you're away and automatically unlocks when you come back.-Deozaan (April 13, 2017, 09:28 PM)
It looks like Classic Shell will have to produce a Creators Update version.The latest version there is 4.3, which I have.I don't know what happened(maybe the Update wasn't settled yet), but now I can re-organize that menu.-Arizona Hot (April 13, 2017, 06:38 AM)
Did the Creators Update on one of the machines here, and now all of the Explorer shell text is missing. Desktop icons, menus, dialogs, all text is gone ... Other than that the machine appears to run fine. FireFox worked fine and had text.Had the same (happened to quite some other upgraders too, afaics) issue when I update to CU in April. Found some procedures that should have solved it, and that even worked for a short while, until the next reboot... After trying to revert it wouldn't even boot up anymore >:( so I did a full re-install with W10CU on a spare hdd, works like a charm. All data was still on the (ssd) disk and available, so after installation moved all files over and then moved the entire image back to the (original) ssd.
SFC = no effect, DISM = no effect, and I tried clearing the font cache to no avail ... Any ideas?-Stoic Joker (June 16, 2017, 10:43 AM)
This might be useful: Print Management/Auditing software was the cause of the missing text issue.
After Ath's confirmation of my suspicions I did a bit more searching and found this discussion on the SpiceWorks forum (https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/1984508-windows-10-creators-update-missing-text?page=3) talking about Printer management/auditing software being the cause of the missing text ... And indeed it was for us also. Specifically HP's JetAdvantage Print Scout service.
Now how many other of this type of software is/will/can cause problems I don't know ... But it's definitely something to look into.-Stoic Joker (June 16, 2017, 02:12 PM)
Version 1703 (OS Build 15063.413) here-Stoic Joker (June 14, 2017, 12:56 PM)
Are we talking about the soon to be released Fall Creators? Why would the 'regular' (not that there is another kind that I know of) upgrade assistant update to an unreleased version? Last I read it was October 17th ...-rgdot (October 11, 2017, 11:12 AM)
@Deozaan, this must be a later version of the FCU(it's Version 1709 (OS Build 16299.64), not 1709 Build 16299.19).-Arizona Hot (November 16, 2017, 08:21 AM)
Updated to 1709 on my laptop today. Only few minutes so far, the only thing I have noticed so far is Settings is slower to open, noticeably slower, not sure why ....THat's bad as it was already very slow on my desktop to open.-rgdot (November 16, 2017, 04:58 PM)
Updated to 1709 on my laptop today. Only few minutes so far, the only thing I have noticed so far is Settings is slower to open, noticeably slower, not sure why ....THat's bad as it was already very slow on my desktop to open.-rgdot (November 16, 2017, 04:58 PM)-wraith808 (November 16, 2017, 05:32 PM)
^Yes true, will see if it improves. Overall seems slightly more sluggish but will see that too.-rgdot (November 17, 2017, 07:35 AM)
Google finds a vulnerability in Windows 10’s Password Manager (https://mspoweruser.com/google-finds-vulnerability-windows-10s-password-manager/)-Arizona Hot (December 17, 2017, 12:19 AM)
Misleading headline (and article).-Deozaan (December 17, 2017, 02:08 AM)
I have two big features in Windows 10 that I love it for when compared to Windows 7. These two features are Virtual Desktops and the Windows Subsystem for Linux.
Virtual Desktops
This is a feature that allows you to have multiple workspaces to help keep your windows organised.
For instance, if you have loads of windows open and want to get a fresh screen without moving and reordering all your windows around, you can just open up a new desktop.
I’ve done a bit or research on this. It looks like the update mechanism is having issues connecting to the servers.
1)make sure you don’t have proxy connections turned on. Use the following steps to ensure this isn’t the case;
a. Press Windows + R, type inetcpl.cpl.
b. Click the Connections tab, and then click LAN settings.
c. Uncheck the box next to “proxy server for your LAN”.
d. Click OK to save and close the window.
Does anyone here use Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL)?-Arizona Hot (January 02, 2018, 04:45 PM)
Microsoft ditches Windows 10 S in favor of new ‘S Mode’ (https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/3/16968024/microsoft-windows-10-s-mode-editions-features)-Arizona Hot (February 04, 2018, 02:21 AM)
Microsoft is planning a new “S Mode” for Windows 10 Home, Enterprise, and Pro.
This S Mode will essentially lock down any copy of Windows 10 so it can only run apps from the Microsoft Store, and does exactly what the dedicated Windows 10 S operating system was built to do. Thurrott reports that 60 percent of Windows 10 S users have remained on the operating system, instead of switching to Windows 10 Pro free of charge. 60 percent of those who do switch reportedly do so within the first 24 hours of owning a Windows 10 S device, and if they don’t switch in a week then 83 percent stick with 10 S.
"Windows 10 Home will get the new S Mode"
While it’s surprising that Windows users are happy sticking to just Microsoft Store apps, it’s clear the company’s new strategy will mean even more users could receive devices with S Mode enabled. Microsoft is reportedly planning to allow Windows 10 Home users to disable the S Mode free of charge, but Windows 10 Pro customers with S Mode enabled on their device will be forced to pay $49 to get access to a full version of Windows 10 Pro.
It’s a risky strategy that will need to be explained clearly from both Microsoft and its various PC partners to avoid consumer confusion. While the Home versions appear to have a free switch path, the charge for the Pro versions could irritate consumers who opt for more premium devices. It all depends whether OEMs ship devices with S Mode enabled.
Sort-of off-topic:
wonder if successful would we get windows phones again (I like mine but the lack of apps can be a pain)-tomos (February 04, 2018, 04:58 AM)
...Here is to hoping. After being exposed to Android for a while now, I would be more than happy to get a new Windows phone again.Yes, quite agree. Couldn't have put it much better if I had tried. :Thmbsup:
[rant]
Really, some UI steps that Google puts into Android are an abomination. And is it really that difficult for Google to remove 1 device from your list of approved devices? Instead you must eliminate all devices and re-register each device one by one....ff-ing amazing job, Google! I wonder how many people are bothered enough to do this. But it would be a safe assumption to state that most people just say: 'F... this' and don't do anything. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of your "security".
Seriously, the person(s) who thought this to be a good UI design, deserve to be taken behind the shed (and their final thought to be: "Aha, so that is how a functional UI works on the device that is putting this bullet in my head").
[/rant]-Shades (February 04, 2018, 08:49 AM)
[rant]Really, some UI steps that Google puts into Android are an abomination. And is it really that difficult for Google to remove 1 device from your list of approved devices? ...-Shades (February 04, 2018, 08:49 AM)
We hope you’re no longer using the HomeGroup feature on your home network, as it’s now been disabled. Microsoft encourages you to use modern solutions like OneDrive file sharing, or the Windows 10 Share functionality for folders and printers.-https://www.howtogeek.com/340688/whats-coming-in-windows-10s-redstone-4-update-available-march-2018/
Was it an old(er) game that you were using for the LAN gaming? I remember old(er) games having options for LAN gaming, using a serial connection, by using IPX/SPX and also the TCP/IP protocol. There are ways to transfer IPX traffic over the TCP/IP protocol, but that is all from yesteryear. Still, by using HomeGroup, you might have enabled the IPX traffic to travel over TCP/IP. On the other hand, new(er) games only use TCP/IP anymore.
Homegroup has always been disabled in my network, Onedrive file sharing implies the cloud, which for most is not their own LAN, which makes it practically forbidden in my network. Windows (10) file sharing wizards aren't needed or used either. Linux PCs communicate just fine using Samba. Network printing and scanning, it all working pretty much out of the box. Are you sure your network is configured ok? No double NAT (https://medium.com/@gmanual/double-nat-explained-and-possible-solutions-8b41b6c651bd) going on anywhere?-Shades (February 06, 2018, 09:14 AM)
It sounds like the last option, yet to my understanding I do not have 2FA activated. And I didn't get 2FA-like messages after re-approving my set of 3 devices.-Shades (February 05, 2018, 06:31 PM)
Really, some UI steps that Google puts into Android are an abomination.-Shades (February 04, 2018, 08:49 AM)
While browsing USA Today today I got this popup. I didn't call the number and closed Chrome after getting a screenshot. I use Incognito Mode. While trying to use Feedback Hub, Windows 10 restarted so it is unlikely that anything that might still be left is still there. I chatted with MS Support and that isn't their number.-Arizona Hot (April 04, 2018, 07:03 PM)
Question has a reply: Red popup virus screen while browsing
Microsoft Community <[email protected]> Yesterday, 6:21 PM
Microsoft Community Your question has a reply Hi, <name deleted>
Bruce Hagen has replied to your question Red popup virus screen while browsing
It's a common scam that has been around for a few years now. Click the X to close the window. You should then see a box at the bottom, Do not allow this site to create new messages. Check it and then close that window and finally the popup.
If that doesn't work, for Edge, follow the instructions by Scott_Ki here:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_other-protect_scanning/edge-frozen-with-virus-warning-popup/7212a393-90ad-48d0-ab55-4ffe1f21a554?page=2&msgId=7618ae67-bf16-4155-bf90-d8a7405ee199
For all other browsers, use the Task Manager to exit the browser. Reboot and see if the pop-up goes away.
How to Use the New Task Manager.
http://www.wikihow.com/Open-Windows-Task-Manager
If the problem persists, for any browser:
Remove Tech Support Scam pop-up (Call For Support Scam)
http://malwaretips.com/blogs/remove-tech-support-scam-popups/
Please read:
PSA: Tech Support Scams Pop-Ups on the Rise
https://blog.malwarebytes.org/fraud-scam/2014/11/psa-tech-support-scams-pop-ups-on-the-rise/
Breaking down a notably sophisticated tech support scam M.O.
https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/mmpc/2017/03/02/breaking-down-a-notably-sophisticated-tech-support-scam-m-o/
For more information, see this post by GreginMich
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/protect/forum/protect_other-protect_scanning-windows_10/my-computer-was-blocked-how-do-i-unblock-it/4735ea26-4e01-40eb-9c34-c991d11ad194#LastReply
How to block the Windows 10 spring update, version 1803, from installing-Arizona Hot (April 09, 2018, 03:37 PM)
How to block the Windows 10 spring update, version 1803, from installing-Arizona Hot (April 09, 2018, 03:37 PM)
But why?-Deozaan (April 09, 2018, 07:35 PM)
I updated two computers without issue the other day through Windows Update in the Settings menu. :Thmbsup:-Deozaan (May 08, 2018, 09:57 PM)
Anyone here still interested in getting a free Win 10 license?-Arizona Hot (June 25, 2018, 05:43 PM)
Did it a couple of weeks ago, Win7Pro x64 -> Win10Pro x64 - worked without a problem.-4wd (June 25, 2018, 08:43 PM)
Incidentally: a link to Windows 7 Ultimate x64 ISO with SP1-Deozaan (June 26, 2018, 12:55 PM)
Incidentally: Anyone have a link to Windows 7 Ultimate x64 ISO with SP1?-Deozaan (June 26, 2018, 12:55 PM)
Incidentally: Anyone have a link to Windows 7 Ultimate x64 ISO with SP1?-Deozaan (June 26, 2018, 12:55 PM)
Windows 7 ISO @ Microsoft (https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows7) - you need to enter your valid product activation key to verify before download, (Retail only).-4wd (June 27, 2018, 07:42 AM)
My key is from an MSDN subscription that has since lapsed, so I'm out of luck there.Windows 7 Ultimate with SP1 x86 or x64, I have both..-Deozaan (June 27, 2018, 03:46 PM)
Windows 7 Ultimate with SP1 x86 or x64, I have both..-Stoic Joker (June 27, 2018, 04:48 PM)
Now it's time for people with Windows 10 to worry about update problems, or not. I got through unscathed, anyone had problems?-Arizona Hot (August 14, 2018, 05:41 PM)
Now it's time for people with Windows 10 to worry about update problems, or not. I got through unscathed, anyone had problems?-Arizona Hot (August 14, 2018, 05:41 PM)
Why? What's special about this update that would cause problems?-Deozaan (August 14, 2018, 08:17 PM)
Windows 10 October 2018 Update - The 7 best new features (https://www.cnet.com/how-to/windows-10-october-2018-update-the-7-best-new-features/)-Arizona Hot (September 12, 2018, 09:37 AM)
This HpqKbFiltr.sys file is a keyboard driver and is part of the HP Quick Launch Buttons software that allows you to configure various buttons to launch programs in Windows.
When users attempt to install the KB4462919 update, the HP computer will crash and display an BSOD stating "Your PC ran into a problem and needs to restart " and a stop code of WDF_VIOLATION as shown below.-https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/hp-pcs-getting-wdf-violation-bsod-after-installing-windows-10-updates/
That yellow font colour should be illegal.-Stephen66515 (November 16, 2018, 03:07 AM)
That yellow font colour should be illegal.-Stephen66515 (November 16, 2018, 03:07 AM)
What color would you suggest?-Arizona Hot (November 16, 2018, 05:34 AM)
That yellow font colour should be illegal.-Stephen66515 (November 16, 2018, 03:07 AM)
What color would you suggest?-Arizona Hot (November 16, 2018, 05:34 AM)
Something legible would be nice. How about black? Or if you must change the color, how about a nice, dark, forest green?-Deozaan (November 16, 2018, 11:12 AM)
Something legible would be nice. How about black? Or if you must change the color, how about a nice, dark, forest green?-Deozaan (November 16, 2018, 11:12 AM)
Or just black. Use Italics, Bold, and Underline for emphasis-wraith808 (November 16, 2018, 01:43 PM)
Something legible would be nice. How about black? Or if you must change the color, how about a nice, dark, forest green?-Deozaan (November 16, 2018, 11:12 AM)
Or just black. Use Italics, Bold, and Underline for emphasis-wraith808 (November 16, 2018, 01:43 PM)
That's what I said. :Thmbsup:
Bold, italics, and underline added for emphasis. :P-Deozaan (November 16, 2018, 02:44 PM)
Time MS allowed users control over updates again - won't happen but that is why I have gone back to Windows 7 on all my systems!!-Carol Haynes (November 16, 2018, 08:07 AM)
Too late, you can't unsee it. Maybe next time...No, that is probably/not necessarily true. Though MS seemed to make it difficult - if not well nigh impossible - for users to revert to the prior OS version, there's nothing stopping the user from installing Windows 7 (32 or 64-bit) - and thus expunging Win10. I contemplated doing that myself, but the trouble was that MS had cunningly bound up some new features in MS Office 2016 updates that apparently would only activate under Win10, and I wanted those features. >:(-Arizona Hot (November 16, 2018, 05:44 PM)
I feel that I have better (more useful) things to do with my cognitive surplus than let it be consumed by fixing incessant MS Win10 updates that are nearly always broken in some regard. Once or twice is OK, sure, but it's now gone beyond the pale.-IainB (November 17, 2018, 07:07 AM)
My "revenge" at the moment is that I have taken full control over the update process and won't let it get beyond Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.2214) - or at least, not until the update path ahead is clear and becomes less risky.-IainB (November 17, 2018, 07:07 AM)
...Would they still be Microsoft then?Heh. Well, if you're suggesting that they'll not change, even in the longer term, then you could be right, I suppose. They did change more recently though - I mean, take the case of Windows 8. There was not an awful lot wrong with Windows 7, as far as I could see, so what the heck was Windows 8? A mistake, presumably. So, Windows 10 to the rescue. If they keep screwing the Win10 updates up though, they could well be risking losing their monopoly. Google chrome is eroding that market already. The MS corporate licensing must be a complete mess, and all this instability presents a potential business risk and isn't conducive to smooth workplace processes, most of which will tend to depend on IT nowadays, to a relatively large extent.-Arizona Hot (November 17, 2018, 07:21 PM)
"Windows 8.1 remains the most stable version of Windows."If that's actually the case (I wouldn't know), then MS would presumably have known it, so one has to wonder, why not leave well enough alone - why all this incessant unseemly haste to get users back onto the update treadmill with Beta-quality updates in Win10? I suppose it's probably all about money, but it's become a serious time bandit and an unproductive resource hog for an awful lot of the planet. From experience, the usual cause of big problems like this (poor quality) can often be traced back to simple mistake/incompetence and especially where the relevant software development processes and test staging processes are below CMM Level 3 (because such processes are poorly-defined and poorly-understood by the people who are obliged to participate in them). Ultimately, that's a management-created problem (Deming).
"...I have taken full control over the update process and won't let it get beyond Version 1607 (OS Build 14393.2214) - or at least, not until the update path ahead is clear and becomes less risky."-IainB (November 17, 2018, 07:07 AM)
I managed to get the October Update this morning and I seem to be the only one here who got it without serious incident. Anyone else?-Arizona Hot (November 21, 2018, 11:37 AM)
Too late, you can'tunsee it. Maybe next time...-Arizona Hot (November 16, 2018, 05:44 PM)
Microsoft is building a Chromium-powered web browser that will replace Edge on Windows 10 (https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10)my small experience of Edge is that it was/is actually a great browser -- never used it much though as not much in the line of addons. (I'm still avoiding Chrome myself, fwiw)-Arizona Hot (December 04, 2018, 10:07 AM)
Microsoft is building a Chromium-powered web browser that will replace Edge on Windows 10 (https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-building-chromium-powered-web-browser-windows-10)my small experience of Edge is that it was/is actually a great browser -- never used it much though as not much in the line of addons. (I'm still avoiding Chrome myself, fwiw)-Arizona Hot (December 04, 2018, 10:07 AM)-tomos (December 04, 2018, 11:40 AM)
I managed to get the October Update this morning and I seem to be the only one here who got it without serious incident. Anyone else?-Arizona Hot (November 21, 2018, 11:37 AM)
1809 still hasn't been pushed to me yet. I'm running 1803 and just checked for updates and it says there's nothing for me.-Deozaan (November 21, 2018, 06:23 PM)
I might actually re-enable the update service one machine at a time to see what happens... 🤞-wraith808 (December 10, 2018, 09:16 PM)
Microsoft finally decided to grace my PC with their October update.
I'm currently running 1809 OS Build 17763.168. Updating worked without issue, and everything seems to be running fine for me. :Thmbsup:-Deozaan (December 10, 2018, 07:46 PM)
1809 done today on one laptop, so far no issues, fingers crossed-rgdot (December 13, 2018, 05:55 PM)
@rgdot:1809 done today on one laptop, so far no issues, fingers crossed-rgdot (December 13, 2018, 05:55 PM)
Hahaha. :D Made me LOL.
In my years of implementing conventional 3-tier client-server networks and thin client (Citrix) server farms (all Windows-based), it would have been verboten to suggest "fingers crossed" as being a passable/acceptable implementation risk management strategy!
Yet the reality would seem to be that that is exactly what Microsoft are implicitly/tacitly expecting users to do. :o-IainB (December 13, 2018, 06:45 PM)
Maybe we should create a statue of the W10 Logo and slaughter a calf?Hmm. Not such a bad idea, but, bearing in mind that we are talking about MS Win10 here, it should arguably be a comparably representative pig with lipstick on that is being slaughtered, rather than a calf.-MilesAhead (December 14, 2018, 08:04 AM)
Win 10 can easily be made look like an improved Win 7: ...Thanks! :Thmbsup:-Curt (December 19, 2018, 04:43 PM)
Microsoft patches another zero-day flaw (https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2018/12/20/update-now-microsoft-patches-another-zero-day-flaw/)-Arizona Hot (December 21, 2018, 01:12 PM)
I don't think this is related to the 1809 update, but I suffered a BSOD yesterday and afterwards my computer would not boot and all my attempts to "repair" the issue would not resolve it. So I made a backup of the important files, wiped my OS drive and reinstalled Windows 10 from the only installation media I had.-Deozaan (December 13, 2018, 05:43 PM)
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Microsoft unveils Windows Terminal, a new command line app for Windows (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool)-Arizona Hot (May 07, 2019, 08:01 AM)
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I have the latest Windows 10 Feature Update. Does anyone else have it also? I read that it was released last week. One problem I didn't mention when I got it on the 31st is that Malwarebytes thought it was installed in another computer and wouldn't activate(see screenshot below). They generated a new license key for me today and I'm using it now. If you have Malwarebytes activated when you update to 1903, I suggest you de-activate it before installing and re-activate it when done. I plan on doing this when I get 1903 on the other Win10 computer.
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If you have Malwarebytes activated when you update to 1903, I suggest you de-activate it before installing and re-activate it when done. I plan on doing this when I get 1903 on the other Win10 computer.-Arizona Hot (May 31, 2019, 06:54 PM)
Microsoft's new Windows Terminal is now available in the Store (https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-new-windows-terminal-is-close-to-release-i-the-store/)-Arizona Hot (June 28, 2019, 06:31 AM)
For those already wanting this type of functionality (and then some): ExtraTerm (http://extraterm.org) (open source, works on Windows, Linux and Mac, supports cmd, PowerShell, WSL, tabs and 'terminal multiplexing').-Shades (May 07, 2019, 09:02 AM)
How Microsoft made it harder to create Windows 10 local accounts (https://www.pcworld.com/article/3409788/how-microsoft-made-it-harder-to-create-windows-10-local-accounts.html)-Arizona Hot (July 22, 2019, 04:53 PM)
During the Wi-Fi sign-in page, you can opt to skip it. That leads you to the page where Cortana soulfully begs you to reconsider, reminding you that just a single click can save you precious time later on. Standing firm and clicking No will lead you to the local account page—though there’s absolutely no helpful cue to inform you as such. This may not be as insidious as Microsoft’s 2016 “click the X” debacle, but it’s close.
If you manage to be ensnared, however, don’t despair—there’s a way to wriggle free. If you’re stuck on the “Sign in with Microsoft” account page, you’ll need to turn off your PC’s Internet connection: Unplug the ethernet cord, disconnect the router, or turn off your laptop’s WiFi using an “airplane mode” key on the keyboard (if it has one). What you’re trying to do is force Windows to be unable to connect to the Internet. What worked for me then was to then try once again to create a Windows account, knowing full well that it would fail.
Microsoft's Software is Malware
https://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.en.html-Steven Avery (November 17, 2019, 03:50 AM)
Microsoft unveils Windows Terminal, a new command line app for Windows (https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/6/18527870/microsoft-windows-terminal-command-line-tool)-Arizona Hot (May 07, 2019, 08:01 AM)
For now it is just the source code, not the executable. For those already wanting this type of functionality (and then some): ExtraTerm (http://extraterm.org) (open source, works on Windows, Linux and Mac, supports cmd, PowerShell, WSL, tabs and 'terminal multiplexing').-Shades (May 07, 2019, 09:02 AM)
Microsoft's new Windows Terminal is now available in the Store (https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsofts-new-windows-terminal-is-close-to-release-i-the-store/)-Arizona Hot (June 28, 2019, 06:31 AM)
Was cute that it was tabbed and one could choose from cmd.exe vs powershell flavors. Definitely had rough edges though. Not ready for general use IMHO.-ewemoa (July 12, 2019, 11:03 PM)
Are there any people here who have Win 10 and don't use Classic Shell or something like it?-Arizona Hot (February 05, 2020, 09:19 AM)
Are there any people here who have Win 10 and don't use Classic Shell or something like it?-Arizona Hot (February 05, 2020, 09:19 AM)
Me.-Deozaan (February 05, 2020, 11:53 AM)
Are there any people here who have Win 10 and don't use Classic Shell or something like it?-Arizona Hot (February 05, 2020, 09:19 AM)
Me.-Deozaan (February 05, 2020, 11:53 AM)
Ditto.-wraith808 (February 05, 2020, 12:18 PM)
I prefer the Hierarchial File System I get with Classic Shell over the flat program menu of Win 10.-Arizona Hot (February 19, 2020, 10:03 AM)
The Windows 10 Start Menu still has a hierarchical layout like it did in Windows 7 and earlier, and AFAIK you're able to organize it however you want.-Deozaan (February 19, 2020, 12:32 PM)
There appears to be no way to 'declutter' the start menu of the rubbish I don't require, (eg. Xbox Game Bar, Your phone, etc).I could swear I just right clicked the tiles and deleted the ones like that. No, it was Unpin from Start.-4wd (February 20, 2020, 04:00 AM)
Yes, you can customize the pinned tiles, but the actual menu, you can only remove sub-sections. If I actually ever used the start menu, it would be a bit lackluster. But I think that they're trying to get people to use search more, as when I do use the start menu, I just start typing the name of the item that I want, and it works.-wraith808 (February 20, 2020, 10:46 AM)
But I think that they're trying to get people to use search more, as when I do use the start menu, I just start typing the name of the item that I want, and it works.-wraith808 (February 20, 2020, 10:46 AM)
The Windows 10 Start Menu still has a hierarchical layout like it did in Windows 7 and earlier, and AFAIK you're able to organize it however you want.-Deozaan (February 19, 2020, 12:32 PM)
I can't delete any entries nor can I drag'n'drop to rearrange them - everything just gets lumped under an alphabetical order.
There appears to be no way to 'declutter' the start menu of the rubbish I don't require, (eg. Xbox Game Bar, Your phone, etc).-4wd (February 20, 2020, 04:00 AM)
But I'm with wraith808. While I do sometimes use the pinned/tiled apps, I rarely use the list of programs in the Start Menu anymore. I just press the Windows key and start typing and press enter. If the Start Menu search doesn't find what I'm looking for, I create a shortcut and give it a name I'll remember to search for and pin that shortcut to the Start Menu-Deozaan (February 21, 2020, 02:53 AM)
Windows 10 Warning: Users Hit By Serious New Failure (https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2020/05/09/microsoft-windows-10-warning-call-of-duty-warzone-destiny-2-league-of-legends-game-mode-problems-upgrade-windows-10-free/#7709c2417776)-Arizona Hot (May 09, 2020, 07:14 PM)
It does tell you that Microsoft is having a lot of trouble fixing Win10 at this time.-Arizona Hot (May 13, 2020, 10:39 AM)
If you want to take these with a grain of salt, do so. Just keep it there for people here on a salt-free diet.-Arizona Hot (May 25, 2020, 06:07 PM)
Will May 2020 be fixed before the Fall 2020 update or will the embarassment prevent that?-Arizona Hot (July 07, 2020, 05:30 PM)
Microsoft pushes out KB4023057 yet again to force Windows 10 feature updates (https://betanews.com/2020/08/31/microsoft-windows-10-kb4023057-forced-upgrades/)-Arizona Hot (August 31, 2020, 08:10 PM)
I just know that it's going to take a long time.-wraith808 (November 11, 2020, 10:24 PM)
I just know that it's going to take a long time.-wraith808 (November 11, 2020, 10:24 PM)
It didn't take very long for me. I think by the time it told me to reboot to perform the upgrade, it was finished with the process in less than 5-10 minutes.-Deozaan (November 12, 2020, 07:54 PM)
It doesn't have App's features,-Arizona Hot (November 27, 2020, 07:50 AM)
It doesn't have App's features,-Arizona Hot (November 27, 2020, 07:50 AM)
What features are you referring to?-app103 (December 07, 2020, 04:51 PM)
It doesn't have App's features,-Arizona Hot (November 27, 2020, 07:50 AM)
What features are you referring to?-app103 (December 07, 2020, 04:51 PM)
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The tools shown here. The app probably has others, but these are the ones I was thinking about.-Arizona Hot (December 08, 2020, 10:54 PM)
However, disabling the setting shown in the image worked out well for my situation. Likely you (app103) have tried that setting already, but it might help others.
Come to think of it, you should disable the power saving feature from your (wired) network card too. Works exactly the same as shown in the image.-Shades (December 19, 2020, 12:42 AM)
I set my new HP laptop with Win10 to 'no password',-ich thys (January 06, 2021, 08:16 PM)
I start with Desktop and go to Sign-in options.I set my new HP laptop with Win10 to 'no password',-ich thys (January 06, 2021, 08:16 PM)
Elaborate on what you did so far to accomplish that, so we know what not to suggest.. :D
Historically, that always been done using control userpasswords2 (from either run or command prompt)-Stoic Joker (January 07, 2021, 05:44 AM)
Also, what's that Windows dimmer function that works like f.lux,-ich thys (January 06, 2021, 08:16 PM)
Thanks! :)Also, what's that Windows dimmer function that works like f.lux,-ich thys (January 06, 2021, 08:16 PM)
Night Light - Open the Notification area, right-click in the tile area and select Edit, then Add it.-4wd (January 07, 2021, 08:16 PM)
I start with Desktop and go to Sign-in options.I set my new HP laptop with Win10 to 'no password',-ich thys (January 06, 2021, 08:16 PM)
Elaborate on what you did so far to accomplish that, so we know what not to suggest.. :D
Historically, that always been done using control userpasswords2 (from either run or command prompt)-Stoic Joker (January 07, 2021, 05:44 AM)-ich thys (January 07, 2021, 02:52 PM)
It appears to all be Microsoft, in a HP laptop. I had to log in to some kind of 'S' account and turn something off so I could add non-Microsoft apps.I start with Desktop and go to Sign-in options.I set my new HP laptop with Win10 to 'no password',-ich thys (January 06, 2021, 08:16 PM)
Elaborate on what you did so far to accomplish that, so we know what not to suggest.. :D
Historically, that always been done using control userpasswords2 (from either run or command prompt)-Stoic Joker (January 07, 2021, 05:44 AM)-ich thys (January 07, 2021, 02:52 PM)
Is a local account, or a Microsoft account?-Stoic Joker (January 08, 2021, 05:46 AM)
You can't set microsoft accounts to be no password enabled. The best you can do is set it to use a Pin.Well that's good to know anyways. Thank you. :)-wraith808 (January 08, 2021, 11:55 AM)
I had an old Pentium I computer with a combo modem/soundcard that had issues staying connected to the internet when a system sound played (system would lock up just long enough to kick me offline), unless there was sound continuously flowing through the soundcard at all times. This meant playing music all the time, and usually keeping the speakers turned off if I didn't want to hear it, till I came across a small app capable of playing continuous low frequency tones that my cheap speakers were unable to produce. (25 Hz did the trick)-app103 (December 18, 2020, 11:13 PM)
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Microsoft unveils Windows 365, a Windows 10 PC in the cloud (https://www.engadget.com/windows-365-cloud-virtual-pc-150022333.html)-Arizona Hot (July 14, 2021, 07:09 PM)
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Microsoft unveils Windows 365, a Windows 10 PC in the cloud (https://www.engadget.com/windows-365-cloud-virtual-pc-150022333.html)-Arizona Hot (July 14, 2021, 07:09 PM)
Yeah, about that... (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=29203.msg270859#msg270859)-app103 (July 17, 2021, 02:20 AM)
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Microsoft unveils Windows 365, a Windows 10 PC in the cloud (https://www.engadget.com/windows-365-cloud-virtual-pc-150022333.html)-Arizona Hot (July 14, 2021, 07:09 PM)
Yeah, about that... (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=29203.msg270859#msg270859)-app103 (July 17, 2021, 02:20 AM)
But this has been a reality for a while. It's just that microsoft is getting into that space. I've been looking at getting a Shadow (https://shadow.tech/) for a while.-wraith808 (July 17, 2021, 02:12 PM)
You should check the viability of their business plan. I heard Linus form video channel Linus Tech Tips mention that Shadow isn't a financially sound organization. I believe that was in his weekly talking head-piece...in the week that he did a review of similar services. More of a place that over-promises and under-delivers. The videos he creates are usually sponsored and likely Shadow didn't fulfill their contractual financial obligations.-Shades (July 19, 2021, 05:30 PM)
I've been looking at getting a Shadow (https://shadow.tech/) for a while.-wraith808 (July 19, 2021, 08:21 PM)
I've been looking at getting a Shadow (https://shadow.tech/) for a while.-wraith808 (July 19, 2021, 08:21 PM)
not sure I understand the model - seems like you need a computer in order to end with...well...a computer...
Never been a fan of outsourcing, and this seems like its taking it to an extreme...-Target (July 19, 2021, 10:29 PM)
And their financial viability isn't really your problem since you only commit for a month at a time.-Dormouse (July 20, 2021, 05:41 PM)
It's the same as taxis and hiring a car for holidays can be better value than buying a car and being responsible for maintaining it. Advantages and disadvantages according to your needs.-Dormouse (July 20, 2021, 05:41 PM)
Or perhaps this perspective more closely matches wraith's use-case:
I own a car. It's not in the greatest condition, but reliable enough for my daily needs. I'm not willing to pay what it would cost to buy a new (or only a couple years old) vehicle. But when I take a multi-day trip out of town, I rent a car. I get the benefits of a much newer vehicle which is in much better condition than mine, so I'm not concerned about it breaking down during the trip. And I also don't put those miles on my own car, which will help it last just that much longer before I have to replace it.-Deozaan (July 21, 2021, 10:55 AM)
Migrating from 7 to 10 was free. While it is not free anymore officially, Microsoft still doesn't charge you if you upgrade. There is a loophole for people with disabilities. And Microsoft doesn't check if that moniker applies to you or not.
Anyway, your registration data from Windows 7 is retrievable for the Windows 10 installer too. While I would not expect it to be the case, if you were using a Microsoft account in Windows 7, your registration data is stored at Microsoft. Reusing that account will activate Windows 10 as well. So, there are 3 ways around activation in your case.However, you should check if you now have Windows 10 Home instead of Windows 10 Pro. Although you (the user) would expect this to be the case, but if I understood correctly, that is only if you bought a retail version of Windows 7 Pro. If you bought an OEM system with Windows 7 Pro on it, it got demoted to Windows 10 Home after the upgrade to 10.-Shades (August 22, 2021, 02:46 AM)
What happened to Notepad?I still have mine. Did yesterday anyway.-Deozaan (December 17, 2021, 04:30 PM)
What happened to Notepad?I still have mine. Did yesterday anyway.-Deozaan (December 17, 2021, 04:30 PM)
10 not 11 though.-Dormouse (December 17, 2021, 04:53 PM)
Has Notepad disappeared for anyone else?-Deozaan (December 17, 2021, 04:30 PM)
Has Notepad disappeared for anyone else?
I noticed a couple days ago that regular .txt files have started opening in LibreOffice, showing the icon for "Calc" which is the LibreOffice equivalent of Excel. When I go to Default Apps to change it back to Notepad, there's no listing for it. And also if I press the Start/Windows button and type Notepad to search for it, I don't get any matching results.
What happened to Notepad?-Deozaan (December 17, 2021, 04:30 PM)
What makes you think there is such a thing as "WSL graphics"? As far as I'm aware there is no "display" connected to the WSL Linux VM. It's for terminal/console use only.-Deozaan (February 11, 2022, 03:01 AM)
GWSL
What on Earth does this do? What is it for? How can it help me?
GWSL automates the process of running X on top of WSL and over SSH:
- It lets you easily run graphical Linux apps on Windows 10.
- It lets you run graphical apps located on remote Linux machines.
- It provides a simple UI for launching Linux apps, managing them graphically, and creating customized Windows shortcuts for them.
- All this at the click of a button! No memorization of commands necessary. Easy!
WSLg is short for Windows Subsystem for Linux GUI and the purpose of the project is to enable support for running Linux GUI applications (X11 and Wayland) on Windows in a fully integrated desktop experience.
WSLg provides an integrated experience for developers, scientists or enthusiasts that prefer or need to run Windows on their PC but also need the ability to run tools or applications which works best, or exclusively, in a Linux environment. While users can accomplish this today using a multiple system setup, with individual PC dedicated to Windows and Linux, virtual machine hosting either Windows or Linux, or an XServer running on Windows and projected into WSL, WSLg provides a more integrated, user friendly and productive alternative.
WSLg strives to make Linux GUI applications feel native and natural to use on Windows. From integration into the Start Menu for launch to appearing in the task bar, alt-tab experience to enabling cut/paste across Windows and Linux applications, WSLg enables a seamless desktop experience and workflow leveraging Windows and Linux applications.