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Title: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 03, 2014, 07:05 PM
Directory Opus 11 is finally out of beta!

The following is from the Directory Opus blog:

Upgrades and licensing:

    Buy a new license (http://gpsoft.com.au/order_intro.html) (new customers)
    Upgrade an existing license (http://gpsoft.com.au/DScripts/upgrade.asp) (existing customers)
    Get a free 60-day evaluation license (http://gpsoft.com.au/DScripts/evalrequest.asp) (available to everyone to test-drive the new version)

    Registered Directory Opus 10 users can upgrade from as little as $50 AUD (~$45 USD, £27, €33).
    If you bought Opus after 1st December 2013 then the update is completely free!
    Users of older versions still qualify for discounted upgrades - visit the Upgrade page for a personalised quotation.
    An extra discount will be given to Opus 10 users who were part of the public beta testing program - thank you all for your participation!

Just some of the highlights of Directory Opus 11 are:

    The new scripting interface allows custom commands and scripts written in VBScript, JScript, etc to infinitely extend Opus
    Toolbars can be saved in layouts and styles - different Listers can now use different toolbars
    Toolbars can turn on or off automatically in specific folders or view modes
    Enhanced hotkeys allow for multi-key sequences and multiple different keys for the same function
    Dynamic toolbar button icons and highlighting allow you more control over your toolbar appearance
    The new File Display Toolbar replaces the main Location toolbar, saving vertical space in the Lister
    The new Jobs Bar lets you see and manage all file operations from one central location
    Hide progress indicators by default, and remove them from the taskbar and Alt+Tab list to avoid interruptions to your workflow
    New Details + Thumbnails mode combines the best of both modes
    New "ghost" crumbs in the Breadcrumbs location field let you see where you have been as well as where you are now
    Dual status bars let you see file and selection statistics for both file displays at once
    Improvements to the Find-as-you-type field include search highlighting and command history
    New options for the Folder Tree including root-level spacing and Favorites branch at the top of the tree as in Explorer
    Integrated support for Windows 8.1 SkyDrive (OneDrive)
    Much, much more (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/DScripts/redirect.asp?page=new11)!

For a detailed list of changes, please see the What's New page (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/DScripts/redirect.asp?page=new11).
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 04, 2014, 04:07 AM
It does look good - I'd probably upgrade for the interface improvments alone.

Spoiler
I made a complaint here about the upgrade price being reduced to 10% reduction after a few months (with the last upgrade). Dopus developers have taken offence [1] to the way it was expressed and [2] say it isnt true. Because of that I'm removing it. I am sorry about the way it was expressed, and tbh, I'm sorry I wrote/posted it at all - see also reply #18 below. Re the details - maybe they were wrong, I honestly thought they were correct as I remembered.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 04, 2014, 06:44 AM
WOW!!! A whole three month period for "free upgrades". Gee, I should just whip out my wallet and plop down another 45 dollars into a product I have already invested 80 bucks into just shy of a year ago. </sarcasm>
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 04, 2014, 09:49 AM
WOW!!! A whole three month period for "free upgrades". Gee, I should just whip out my wallet and plop down another 45 dollars into a product I have already invested 80 bucks into just shy of a year ago. </sarcasm>
Well, the new major versions aren't released that often, and there are alot of updates (and beta's) inbetween.

Dec 2007 I bought DO 9 (it was AUD 64 at the time, pro/light didn't exist).
Apr 2011 I upgraded to DO 10 (pro/light was introduced in the later years, everyone that had already purchased got Pro).
Mar 2014 I upgraded to DO 11 Pro.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on March 04, 2014, 10:13 AM
For a detailed list of changes, please see the What's New page (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/DScripts/redirect.asp?page=new11).

"This content is not shown because JavaScript is disabled"  :mad: ... well, can I finally shrinken the giant DO toolbars in v11?
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 04, 2014, 10:48 AM
WOW!!! A whole three month period for "free upgrades". Gee, I should just whip out my wallet and plop down another 45 dollars into a product I have already invested 80 bucks into just shy of a year ago. </sarcasm>
Well, the new major versions aren't released that often, and there are alot of updates (and beta's) inbetween.

Dec 2007 I bought DO 9 (it was AUD 64 at the time, pro/light didn't exist).
Apr 2011 I upgraded to DO 10 (pro/light was introduced in the later years, everyone that had already purchased got Pro).
Mar 2014 I upgraded to DO 11 Pro.

Yes, I understand that major releases do not occur often. That said, the typical period of upgrades between major revisions in the software industry is within the last year. A whopping three months for a free upgrade to V11 leaves me with a very sour taste in my mouth given that I was not privy to many of those "updates" since DO10 was put out.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 04, 2014, 11:32 AM
Well, the new major versions aren't released that often, and there are alot of updates (and beta's) inbetween.

yes, that's a very good point myarmor,
but:
the few months (as Josh describes) still just does not lead to good feelings that one likes to have about one of their favourite software.

Spoiler
I removed the rest of this post - I was bitching about something related to upgrade pricing which appears to be untrue.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 04, 2014, 11:35 AM
... well, can I finally shrinken the giant DO toolbars in v11?

 :huh: ?!
Toolbars are totally customisable, and have been since at least version 8

or were you using the beta and unable to customise the toolbars in that?
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on March 04, 2014, 11:36 AM
I never saw a screenshot without giant "menu" toolbars...  :huh:
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 04, 2014, 11:45 AM
^here's my current setup in v.10 with the panels 'spliced' out.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ]

I could remove icons from buttons to reduce height more, but dont think it's worth it

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on March 04, 2014, 11:47 AM
Still giant. :/
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 04, 2014, 11:50 AM
^Turn em off ;-) or buy something else - or customise them to whatever *you* want.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 04, 2014, 11:56 AM
Yes, I understand that major releases do not occur often. That said, the typical period of upgrades between major revisions in the software industry is within the last year. A whopping three months for a free upgrade to V11 leaves me with a very sour taste in my mouth given that I was not privy to many of those "updates" since DO10 was put out.
I have to admit I'm not exactly a fan of having only a small window of upgrade pricing, hence why I replied to that particular post (and not the one above).
I felt a need to mention that major versions isn't released often due to the "....into a product I have already invested 80 bucks into just shy of a year ago".

I prefer to take my time upgrading software, although some I tend to upgrade immediately due to earlier positive experience (it might not always be wise, but).
For me, DOpus is and has been in that category.

Btw, new releases and betas are listed/published here (http://resource.dopus.com/viewforum.php?f=1).
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 40hz on March 04, 2014, 01:22 PM
I never personally saw the need for something with as many bells and whistles as Directory Opus. But I'm fairly organized up front, so I seldom need to move things around or go searching much once I save something to my drives. Still... if you really do need something like this I guess it's worth the money. 8)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 04, 2014, 01:32 PM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 4wd on March 04, 2014, 07:08 PM
Still giant. :/

Move further away from the monitor or get a 4k monitor, on that a toolbar of only 28 pixels height, (~1.2%), will look quite small.

I'm sure that squinting at the the monitor from a distance of 300mm using 5x bifocals, the toolbars will look giant.

Honestly, saying they're "giant" is rather pointless because you've given no reference, it's in the same league as "It doesn't work."
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Jibz on March 05, 2014, 08:05 AM
I like DO, and I was a registered user of version 8.

But I must admit I have felt it was too expensive to upgrade. Especially given that I have a license for Total Commander which has had free upgrades in like forever, and a lifetime license to XYplorer.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 08:15 AM
Well, remember when I told you about the manner in which people say things is important to our relationship with developers?  I don't think we'll be getting a discount.  I received this response:

We are not very impressed as hard working developers when we see stuff like this on DC…. :(
 
Does not give us a warm feeling towards you when this kind of untruths and garbage is published without moderation or correction.


"they have a sickening habit of reducing the upgrade discount after a short period of time.  It's currently roughly a 45% reduction - last upgrade, that went down to a 10% reduction within a couple of months"

My response was that he was free to post a correction- I'm not sure of the specifics, so I can't post a rebuttal- but told him that he was free to do so, and asked what was incorrect about the statement.  But please be careful and responsible in your posting- as always, your opinions are your opinions, but they do affect our relationship with developers, and our ability to get discounts.  I didn't know that before I started doing the stuff with discounts... but I've seen it in operation.  

And besides that, I do understand his sentiment if this is not true and was posted.  Any actual anecdotal information to back this up one way or the other?  I didn't think it strange because many companies do reduce their discount over time- as a reward to the ones that purchase earlier.  I probably wouldn't have used 'sickening' for that reason- but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 05, 2014, 09:06 AM
^I'll look up the details wraith. I'll put the post above in spoilers.

I'm sorry for using that word - I'm sorry to the Dopus developers, and sorry to you all here if I'm muddying the relationship(s).

To the developers, I wish to point out that I am a fan of dopus - and have made many positive posts here about it and many posts helping others with it's use. Obviously that doesnt excuse me if I make an incorrect statement. How I feel in response to something is obviously just how it is - but (obviously again) it's not a helpful approach to a complaint to express it thus.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 05, 2014, 09:32 AM
In my opinion, if we are posting incorrect information, I more than welcome them to come forward and correct it. However, I am still standing by my conviction in that I purchased back in April of last year and now have to pay again, LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, for the next major revision. 45 dollars for an upgrade to a product I just paid 80 dollars for just shy of a year ago rubs me the wrong way.

That said, I am now looking at total commander.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 40hz on March 05, 2014, 10:25 AM
Still sounds like a threat - and just a little bit 'convenient' to me.

Here's a sorry indication of one developer's willingness to punish an entire community because one member (in no way claiming to speak for anyone other than themselves ) said something this same developer felt was untrue or unfair - but chose not to correct or respond to.  This is a public discussion forum, not a formal review article.

I'd say they're welcome to keep any potential discount offers they might have been considering. Especially now that it appears they have decided to do just that.  
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 05, 2014, 10:44 AM
I'm with 40hz on this one.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tn_dang on March 05, 2014, 10:48 AM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 11:21 AM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.

You can do the same with DO.  I do currently.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 11:22 AM
Still sounds like a threat - and just a little bit 'convenient' to me.

It would be convenient, IMO, if they had approached us.  I approached him at the urging of the members.  And apparently the whole time he'd been following the thread- I didn't point him to it.  And he hasn't revoked our other discount.  So I don't see a threat implied nor explicit personally.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 05, 2014, 12:42 PM
I, for one, am against this "be careful what you say or our discounts will go away" mentality. For one, it's censorship plain and simple. Second, it sounds like they are buying our silence. Often print magazine reviews aren't taken seriously when they appear next to huge glossy ads for the products in the review.

In other words, when we start behaving this way there's an appearance of either a conflict of interest or we've been 'bought and paid for'.

If someone wants to offer me a discount on the condition I can't criticize their product then I don't want their discount or anything to do with them. I am not for sale & I hope others on this web site feel the same way.

DC has survived years without dealing in payola and I believe DC can survive in the future without it as well.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: mwb1100 on March 05, 2014, 01:08 PM
I, for one, am against this "be careful what you say or our discounts will go away" mentality.

I agree - everyone should keep in mind that we would all welcome a correction about anything incorrect in this thread.   FWIW, I vaguely recall the upgrade discount for DO being larger when the upgrade was being done within a few months of a new release. In other words, my recollection agrees in general with what tomos posted, though I'm entirely unsure of the details (such as the time frame or the level of discount).

Because I didn't recall those details, I didn't post anything about it before. But since someone has characterized it as "untruths and garbage", I want to chime in now to say that my memory - which might be somewhat faulty, especially on details - agrees with what tomos posted.

And for what it's worth, I have a couple DO licenses, and I've upgraded in the past, but don't always upgrade when they have a major release.  It looks like I've paid for Dopus 6, 8, and 9.  Also, I'm not upset in any way - I knew what the general policy on DO updates is and when they come out with a major new version I evaluate whether or not I want to spend the money on the upgrade,.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 01:20 PM
It's not about payola.  It's about realizing that one hasty word can make those conversations a lot more difficult, so we need to be cautious about realizing that there are definitely ramifications about saying things that may or may not be true.  And it's not about being bought and paid for- we still tell the truth.  I told nothing but the unmitigated truth in my reviews for some of these things- but I was also diplomatic about the use of words that are inflammatory and packed with emotion.  Especially in regards to things that may have had me hot under the collar for my experiences.  Taking consideration of what you say and the ramifications thereof should *always* be a consideration when posting IMO.  Would you say it to the person in person?  Or would you perhaps ask or say things in a different way.  Then your posting on a board should take the same thing into account.  Respect and consideration are the key- not changing what you say, just how you say it.

First, it's not censorship.  It was an admonishment from *me* from *my experiences*.  As I have no way to enforce or say anything as a policy, it's not censorship.  No one said to do anything other than to take it into account.  Whatever you want to do, it's on you.

Second, there is no 'buying silence'.  There was apparently something said that was incorrect.  I didn't rebut it, because I don't know.  But I offered him the ability to come here and do it, or to let me know what was incorrect so I could post it.  How is that buying silence?  And I have no intent of going back to him with any changes or anything to say- "see?  We've fixed it. Now can we have a discount?"  That's not what I was saying at all, nor what was meant.  It's decently insulting to say so, also... so I'm going to back off of this with one last statement.

A lot of us haven't had anything to do with fostering these relationships behind the scenes, nor do we realize how hard it is.  I didn't fully appreciate the efforts of cthorpe in that regard until I started dealing with them.  To walk that line of building a relationship with developers based on mutual benefit without compromising DC is something that is quite difficult.  And many developers already don't want to give specialized discounts nor work with sites.  And it's a lot of work.  It's easy to talk about it, and hard to do it.  I just want to thank the people who have taken this role in the past.  And wish the best to anyone who takes it in the future.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: katykaty on March 05, 2014, 01:21 PM
I'm in 2 minds about this upgrade. It's hard to see what killer improvement is there, especially when it costs AUS$50 for the upgrade.

But then again, it's DO. Got to have DO. Can't not have DO :)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: JonPotter on March 05, 2014, 02:14 PM
Just to clarify - the 40% discount for Opus 9 -> 10 was available for more than 2 years after release, and it then dropped to 30%.

We aren't really upset or anything, but please look at it from our point of view - we get an email from DonationCoder saying "hey, can we have a discount please!", so we come to DonationCoder to see what people are saying, and find a thread where mostly what they're saying is what horribly nasty thieves we are.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: mwb1100 on March 05, 2014, 02:28 PM
Just to clarify - the 40% discount for Opus 9 -> 10 was available for more than 2 years after release, and it then dropped to 30%.

Thanks for coming to set those details straight.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tn_dang on March 05, 2014, 02:52 PM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.

You can do the same with DO.  I do currently.
http://www.gpsoft.com.au/order_intro.html

Directory Opus is licenced on a per-machine basis.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 03:35 PM
I'm still on 9.  I love DO.  I just can't justify the price that often.  It was the same with SlickEdit.
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.

You can do the same with DO.  I do currently.
http://www.gpsoft.com.au/order_intro.html

Directory Opus is licenced on a per-machine basis.

Right... but I bought a two machine license.  And I always renew on that basis.  So its actually three machines since they give you a free laptop one with your original.  Just for reference:

Directory Opus Pro Single - Single machine licence plus one personal laptop
Directory Opus Pro Dual - Two machine licence plus one personal laptop
Directory Opus Pro Five - Five machine licence plus one personal laptop
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on March 05, 2014, 03:53 PM
I'm in 2 minds about this upgrade. It's hard to see what killer improvement is there, especially when it costs AUS$50 for the upgrade.

I was wondering about the same thing. I'm having a hard time finding the killer feature for me. I consider myself a basic user of Dopus (I don't even customise it myself, just use Andy's setup (http://www.dearopus.com/opus-interface-setup.html)), but the new features seem to be targeting the super-sophisticated user that can write their own scripts and customise the hell out of the interface.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: cyberdiva on March 05, 2014, 04:01 PM
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.
When I bought DOpus 8, I bought a dual license so that I could use DOpus on two computers (probably my laptop and my desktop).  When I upgraded to version 9, I was pleased to see that the single-user license now covered a laptop in addition to the desktop, so I was able to save some money.  This policy continued in version 10 and, I hope and assume, in version 11 as well (I haven't yet upgraded).  Here's a statement of the policy in the User's Manual for version 10:  The standard license is a single-installation license which allows the installation of the SOFTWARE on one physical machine only, for exclusive use on that machine only, plus one personal laptop owned by and in exclusive use by the registered purchaser.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 04:04 PM
SlickEdit is still better in the sense that the user can use it on multiple computer.
When I bought DOpus 8, I bought a dual license so that I could use DOpus on two computers (probably my laptop and my desktop).  When I upgraded to version 9, I was pleased to see that the single-user license now covered a laptop in addition to the desktop, so I was able to save some money.  This policy continued in version 10 and, I hope and assume, in version 11 as well (I haven't yet upgraded).  Here's a statement of the policy in the User's Manual for version 10:  The standard license is a single-installation license which allows the installation of the SOFTWARE on one physical machine only, for exclusive use on that machine only, plus one personal laptop owned by and in exclusive use by the registered purchaser.

It's still the same- I quoted the relevant version from the pricing page above.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: cyberdiva on March 05, 2014, 04:07 PM
It's still the same- I quoted the relevant version from the pricing page above.
Oops.  I'm not sure how I missed that.  :-[
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Jibz on March 05, 2014, 04:13 PM
Right... but I bought a two machine license.

Ah, so it's a bit like Windows, which you can install on up to five machines? (assuming you buy five licenses of course)

;D
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 40hz on March 05, 2014, 04:16 PM
We aren't really upset or anything, but please look at it from our point of view - we get an email from DonationCoder saying "hey, can we have a discount please!", so we come to DonationCoder to see what people are saying, and find a thread where mostly what they're saying is what horribly nasty thieves we are.

With all due respect, when I look at the entire thread, there was one person who took issue with the upgrade window (as he understood it), one person agreeing that (if that were in fact true) it left a bad taste, and a few others commenting it seemed a somewhat expensive upgrade.

I'd hardly characterize that as anybody calling anyone a horribly nasty thief. Or that the thread was hostile or derogatory towards DO.

Apparently there are differences in individual perception. So be it. It happens.

So I'd like to suggest, going forward, thicker skins and softer words. And as Cliff Stoll so aptly suggested, many years ago, when online discussion forums were just starting to take off:

   Lets:

     1) Try not to offend.

     2) Try not to be so easily offended.

[ You are not allowed to view attachments ] Pax!  :)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 04:37 PM
Right... but I bought a two machine license.

Ah, so it's a bit like Windows, which you can install on up to five machines? (assuming you buy five licenses of course)

;D


No.  If you read the post above, you see that for my two licenses, I get three machines.  So not quite.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 04:40 PM
We aren't really upset or anything, but please look at it from our point of view - we get an email from DonationCoder saying "hey, can we have a discount please!", so we come to DonationCoder to see what people are saying, and find a thread where mostly what they're saying is what horribly nasty thieves we are.

With all due respect, when I look at the entire thread, there was one person who took issue with the upgrade window (as he understood it), one person agreeing that (if that were in fact true) it left a bad taste, and a few others commenting it seemed a somewhat expensive upgrade.

I'd hardly characterize that as anybody calling anyone a horribly nasty thief. Or that the thread was hostile or derogatory towards DO.

Apparently there are differences in individual perception. So be it. It happens.

So I'd like to suggest, going forward, thicker skins and softer words. And as Cliff Stoll so aptly suggested, many years ago, when online discussion forums were just starting to take off:

   Lets:

     1) Try not to offend.

     2) Try not to be so easily offended.
 (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=37444.msg350638#msg350638)) Pax!  :)

Some of the posts that he was referring to have been since edited.  There was a bit of inflammatory phrasing.  Which sort of falls under the try not to offend portion.  And was all that I was asking for- a stance where we can state our opinions without offending.  But apparently that was taken wrong, and people were offended by the suggestion.
/me shrugs
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 40hz on March 05, 2014, 05:14 PM
@Wraith- Just can't win can ya? :huh: :

Try to take comfort in the fact that at least you tried. Like you always do, I might add.  :)

Onward! :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on March 05, 2014, 05:31 PM
In fairness, I was the one to spark the controversy with my dodgy (but insistent) memory, and my loose tongue ;-)
I wrote this below earlier, but JonPotter got in ahead of me so I left it. I'll chance posting it now, slightly modified:


It's not about payola.  It's about realizing that one hasty word can make those conversations a lot more difficult, so we need to be cautious about realizing that there are definitely ramifications about saying things that may or may not be true.  And it's not about being bought and paid for- we still tell the truth.

yes, this it it for me -
summed up by "It's about realizing that one hasty word can make those conversations a lot more difficult".
Just like in real life - and that's the thing it's easy to forget when you get in a rant about something online, this is real life too :-[
And that's why I apologised straight away - not just that I hadn't checked the details - but that I realised I had said it in such an obnoxious way that it was pretty unreasonable, and understandable if it got a knee-jerk response.


And FWIW katykaty sums up my attitude to Dopus:

But then again, it's DO. Got to have DO. Can't not have DO :)

I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 05, 2014, 05:42 PM
And that's why I apologised straight away - not just that I hadn't checked the details - but that I realised I had said it in such an obnoxious way that it was pretty unreasonable, and understandable if it got a knee-jerk response.

I just want to say also Tomos, thanks for that.  It's not about doing things or offending or making mistakes- we all do that.  It's what happens after that's important.  And I appreciate that.

:Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 05, 2014, 08:05 PM
I just want to clarify that I was not advocating that people should have free reign to insult or ridicule software developers. I'm merely of the mind that if something happens we don't like, we're allowed to voice a criticism without someone running into the room yelling, "Shhh..you'll upset the developers," with much arm-waving.

For the record, I can understand both sides of the "upgrade discount did not last in perpetuity" discussion, but I don't think an upgrade discount getting smaller after two years is unreasonable at all.

Full disclosure: I am a Directory Opus user & I bought the v11 upgrade before I even posted the OP. I also will disclose that I received the extra beta-tester discount as well for which I'm very thankful.

Yes, Directory Opus is not the least expensive program out there, but the author releases a major version every three years, not every year like most software authors. Divide that upgrade cost by three and it's not unreasonable at all, IMHO, especially for a program I use every single day.

As for the features added, it's true that there are no 'killer' features added, but I think it's a lot of nice additions that improve the experience as a whole. Besides, file managers are such an old genre of application that I don't think there are going to be too many more 'killer' features that lie undiscovered. While we're discussing new features, it's probably a good time to point out that the author doesn't hold back new features till a new major version hits. He keeps rolling out new features as fast as he can implement them regardless of whether or not it is a minor or major update. Nothing may grab you now, but something in v11.1 or v11.2 probably will.

You may as well upgrade now. You know you'll succumb sooner or later. ;)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 06, 2014, 12:22 AM
As for the features added, it's true that there are no 'killer' features added, but I think it's a lot of nice additions that improve the experience as a whole.
Well, maybe not 'killer' features, but I really appreciate that now you can use jscript/vbscript/whatever for more than
renaming (without "abusing" rename scripting). It also exposes many parts to those hosts (which it didn't in earlier versions).

The file display bar was also nice. No need for a border + location bar, now they're the same, and can be customized just like any toolbar.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: michaelkenward on March 06, 2014, 04:11 AM
That said, the typical period of upgrades between major revisions in the software industry is within the last year.

You need to compare like with like. The one year of updates you refer to usually applies to software that comes with an update every year or so, often minor "utilities", so you end up paying for a new version after about a year. In effect, this is subscriptionware.

In the case of Opus, you can wait three or four years for an update. So if you buy today at the upgrade price you will end up paying less per year than you will for those annually updated packages.

And in the three or so years of an Opus version you will also receive substantial incremental updates for nothing. One of the programs I buy operates on an annual cycle with upgrades every 15 months or so, long enough to push you out of the free upgrade period, with new "major versions" offering tiny changes of the sort that come along all the time with Opus.

Other software is moving firmly towards being rentware. For example, it was only when users screamed loudly that Mailwasher relented on its annual fee regime and sold a "lifetime" licence. (A lot of customers thought they already had that in the previous version.)

If you look at other software that releases on the same sort of cycle as Opus, Microsoft Office for example, or anything from  Nuance you won't even get a discount for the upgrade.

I am open to persuasion, though. Just as I have given examples of software that does not fit into your criterion, I can add more, perhaps you can point us to software that does offer free updates to "major revisions", not just cosmetic tweaks, within one year.



Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: michaelkenward on March 06, 2014, 04:31 AM
No.  If you read the post above, you see that for my two licenses, I get three machines.  So not quite.

That's the two PCs and a laptop deal. (The single licence is one PC and a laptop.) The upgrade price for "ordinary" customers on that deal is AUS$74. I paid AUS$71 for the previous version on 30th April 2011. So it works out at about AUS$8 per PC per year. My how extortionate!

PS I bought the upgrade but haven't installed it. Grappling with Opus always makes my head hurt. Powerful, yes, but that very power can make it hard for some of us to get our heads round all the options.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on March 06, 2014, 04:41 AM
As for the features added, it's true that there are no 'killer' features added, but I think it's a lot of nice additions that improve the experience as a whole.
Well, maybe not 'killer' features, but I really appreciate that now you can use jscript/vbscript/whatever for more than
renaming (without "abusing" rename scripting). It also exposes many parts to those hosts (which it didn't in earlier versions).

The file display bar was also nice. No need for a border + location bar, now they're the same, and can be customized just like any toolbar.

Maybe one thing for the developers to take away from this discussion is that the benefits of this upgrade may not have been sufficiently articulated for the different types of users out there. I have looked at the new features a few times but the way they have been presented made it difficult for me to evaluate the economic value and utility of this upgrade.

E.g., if there are no "killer features," or at least some major new improvements, what justifies this as v. 11, rather than just v. 10 point something, for the different types of users (segments that Dopus serves)? If I was into scripting, maybe I'd get excited, but since I don't know how to do that, what else justifies the upgrade? What specifically makes the "nice additions" worth AUD50?

I'm just genuinely trying to make an economic calculation for myself, and I haven't been able to find sufficient articulation of the benefits to be able to make that calculation. BTW, I own two v. 10 PRO licenses at the moment and using Dopus on 3 machines (2 PCs, 1 netbook).
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: michaelkenward on March 06, 2014, 04:49 AM
Just in case anyone is wondering, AUS$74 is about £40, US$67 or €49.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 06, 2014, 04:54 AM
I'm just genuinely trying to make an economic calculation for myself, and I haven't been able to find sufficient articulation of the benefits to be able to make that calculation. BTW, I own two v. 10 PRO licenses at the moment and using Dopus on 3 machines (2 PCs, 1 netbook).
I'm just going to leave this link here: What's new (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Directory_Opus_11.htm)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 06, 2014, 04:58 AM
Btw, in DO10 with just about every update, in addition to bugfixes there was a somewhat steady stream of bigger and smaller
improvements and/or additions through the years.

I assume they keep it up in DO11.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on March 06, 2014, 05:40 AM
I'm just genuinely trying to make an economic calculation for myself, and I haven't been able to find sufficient articulation of the benefits to be able to make that calculation. BTW, I own two v. 10 PRO licenses at the moment and using Dopus on 3 machines (2 PCs, 1 netbook).
I'm just going to leave this link here: What's new (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Directory_Opus_11.htm)

Yes, but those are features, not benefits. It's a traditional marketing pitfall to present the customer with features but not explain the benefits of those features, which is what I'd need to understand better to make the purchase decision. I was just hoping maybe someone here who understands the product more can articulate those a bit further.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: peter.s on March 06, 2014, 06:55 AM
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Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 06, 2014, 08:21 AM
That's the two PCs and a laptop deal. (The single licence is one PC and a laptop.) The upgrade price for "ordinary" customers on that deal is AUS$74. I paid AUS$71 for the previous version on 30th April 2011. So it works out at about AUS$8 per PC per year. My how extortionate!
-michaelkenward (March 06, 2014, 04:31 AM)

I think we've gotten away from that, so if we could, could I use 40's more articulate plea on that regard?  Try not to offend, nor be offended?  Snark has it's place... but I don't personally think here.  And this is from someone who agrees with you (and has all along)


Yes, but those are features, not benefits. It's a traditional marketing pitfall to present the customer with features but not explain the benefits of those features, which is what I'd need to understand better to make the purchase decision. I was just hoping maybe someone here who understands the product more can articulate those a bit further.

If I had windows 8, the killer benefit to me would be the SkyDrive support (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/SkyDrive_support_in_Windows_81.htm).  That's one of the slickest things about windows 8 from the short time I had my tablet.

Without that, there's a couple of other benefits that appeal to me (a semi-casual user):

File Display Toolbars (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/File_Display_Toolbars.htm)
Streamlined Copy Progress Display (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/streamlinedcopyprogressdisplayjobsbar.htm) - might make it so I don't have to use teracopy, I have to try it.
Breadcrumbs, Status Bar, and FAYT changes (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/breadcrumbsstatusbarandfaytchanges.htm) - these address some of my major complaints.  Especially the FAYT part, as I had to use wildcards before.
Folder Tree Changes (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/breadcrumbsstatusbarandfaytchanges.htm) - especially remembering the root branches.  Another major complaint of mine.
File and Folder Labels Improvements (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/File_and_Folder_Labels_Improvements.htm) - Auto filters on folders?  That's just plain cool.

But I think that when you start to break it down not in terms of benefits instead of features, it's going to be a personal experience (and I think that is the best way to break it down), which is why I'm leaning towards jumping from 9 to 11... 10 didn't have anything that personally appealed to me, but 11 does.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Dirhael on March 06, 2014, 09:09 AM
I purchased an upgrade license the day it was released (was very pleasantly surprised that those of us that tested the beta version got an additional discount :Thmbsup:), and I don't really see how the pricing is cause for concern, if you're like me and spend *many* hours a week using it. I suppose it depends on where in the world you live, but what I think of when considering the price of ~ $40 USD I paid for the upgrade is that...:

- Over here that's just north of the price of a 6-pack of beer, if purchased in a store.
- Any given night down at the pub with friends will cost me twice that amount, at least (just a pint of beer frequently cost >= $15 USD).
- Most new games released on consoles retail for (converted from NOK to USD) ~ $84-100 USD.
- New bluray movies usually retail for (converted from NOK to USD) $30 USD and up.

Yeah...considering how ridiculously many hours I've spent in DO I find the price perfectly acceptable.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on March 06, 2014, 12:24 PM
Without that, there's a couple of other benefits that appeal to me (a semi-casual user):

File Display Toolbars (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/File_Display_Toolbars.htm)
Streamlined Copy Progress Display (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/streamlinedcopyprogressdisplayjobsbar.htm) - might make it so I don't have to use teracopy, I have to try it.
Breadcrumbs, Status Bar, and FAYT changes (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/breadcrumbsstatusbarandfaytchanges.htm) - these address some of my major complaints.  Especially the FAYT part, as I had to use wildcards before.
Folder Tree Changes (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/breadcrumbsstatusbarandfaytchanges.htm) - especially remembering the root branches.  Another major complaint of mine.
File and Folder Labels Improvements (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/help/opus11/index.html#!Documents/Opus11/File_and_Folder_Labels_Improvements.htm) - Auto filters on folders?  That's just plain cool.

Thanks for breaking that down, that's was helpful for getting my head around the new features.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 06, 2014, 12:38 PM
I really don't feel that, in my case, the "three year payment" holds water. I purchased this product 10 months ago. I only received two update notifications from the program stating that an update was available. Now, less than a year later, I am being told I have to pay again to move to the current version, and oh by the way the cost is just above half of what I paid originally. 

And yes, I saw the comparison about MS office. The difference there is, I have received 7 licenses to Office (2007-2013) that have cost me LESS than a single license of DOpus. Just because "retail" is expensive, doesn't mean there aren't promotions and/or other ways to obtain office in a legitimate fashion.

That said, I am not trying to be negative. In my case, however, I feel a tad upset about being asked to pay for a product I just paid for 10 months ago. I DID NOT receive the number of updates being mentioned here. I purchased the product in a state where those updates had already occurred.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 06, 2014, 12:41 PM
I really don't feel that, in my case, the "three year payment" holds water. I purchased this product 10 months ago. I only received two update notifications from the program stating that an update was available. Now, less than a year later, I am being told I have to pay again to move to the current version, and oh by the way the cost is just above half of what I paid originally. 

And yes, I saw the comparison about MS office. The difference there is, I have received 7 licenses to Office (2007-2013) that have cost me LESS than a single license of DOpus. Just because "retail" is expensive, doesn't mean there aren't promotions and/or other ways to obtain office in a legitimate fashion.

That said, I am not trying to be negative. In my case, however, I feel a tad upset about being asked to pay for a product I just paid for 10 months ago. I DID NOT receive the number of updates being mentioned here. I purchased the product in a state where those updates had already occurred.

I think that goes towards another discussion that I posted- the version vs. time-limited license.  In this case, a time limited (1 year of updates) would have been better for you.  I think that as a developer, in some cases, you just can't win.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 06, 2014, 12:58 PM
I really think that the key is flexibility. If I were to release an application, and a user contacted me in that situation, I would be willing to make exceptions on a case-by-case basis. That said, based on the email reply, I feel that my request would be met with deaf ears based on how they replied to the discount.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 06, 2014, 01:17 PM
I really think that the key is flexibility. If I were to release an application, and a user contacted me in that situation, I would be willing to make exceptions on a case-by-case basis. That said, based on the email reply, I feel that my request would be met with deaf ears based on how they replied to the discount.
If you're close to a year in, I don't really see how they'd do that. It would probably apply to too many customers among other things.
If it were a 1-3 months since the purchase of the previous major version, then its far more common to have a free upgrade to the new version.

Btw, Just Great Software (PowerGrep, RegexBuddy, EditPad Pro etc) is one of the few I've seen that actually has one year of free major upgrades
after a product purchase. NB! I've purchased several of their products, but I'm not associated with them.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 06, 2014, 01:30 PM
Well, you don't have to make it a policy that is published. But if a user contacts you and inquires about it, I would be more in the mindset of "keep them happy" and provide the upgrade only upon request if you are < 1 year in.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 06, 2014, 02:05 PM
Well, you don't have to make it a policy that is published. But if a user contacts you and inquires about it, I would be more in the mindset of "keep them happy" and provide the upgrade only upon request if you are < 1 year in.

Yeah... I agree it would be nice. But it's up to the developer.  But on the other hand, not to do it because you don't think it would be met with a good reply and not let them know about it...? 

I'd do it anyway, personally.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: peter.s on March 06, 2014, 03:11 PM
"I purchased the product in a state where those updates had already occurred."

I explained this above, with the blatant example of FPV, and which has withheld me from bying for YEARS now, because at any given moment within those YEARS, I had thought the next major upgrade is imminent (1.95 > 2.0).

I'm critical vàv DO, but their update scheme is known, and quite stable, so whenever you buy (it was on bits, half-price, no? since that would have been the moment it appeared there...!) 2 years after a major release, you KNOW the next major release will not take ages, don't you? (And their bit offering, then, is for squeezing out some more drops, out of the soon-previous version.) So you know, or you should know, what you're doing, by buying at such an untimely moment.

And finally, "Would be nice" - har, har, har: Anybody knows that DO stuff does good stuff (compared...), but that they never have been "nice" in their life, and they never will be: Worldwide, I only know of TWO fora where mentioning "competitors' " product will get you heavily reprimanded, censored, then thrown out, theirs, and then that of the German text expanding sw producer I will not name here, in order to not deviate the discussion unlawfully by getting him in to stante pede intervene.

So, in this context, expecting them to give sw away for free (= from their pov), is naïve/aberrant (since we know them, i.e. whatever you could say, you cannot say they do clearly state their stance on subjects regarding them).

Most people are like us, and would like to "make their customers happy" - not so with some, blatantly "I'm a hard businessman" types out there, but again, their stance is to be respected whenever they state it clearly, from start on, and that's what they do: Even by installing their trials, you'll quickly realize how "business-like" (vs. "customer-centred") they are, with their incredible "security" routines even for your daring to use the trial. So before buying (except in a bits case, without trialling), you'll perfectly know, from them, how they will treat you as a customer: blatantly authority-like, no kindness whatsoever to be expected.

This is to be respected, then, since it doesn't come as a surprise. Sorry to be blant here, but their "business model" is known, because they display it in the open. As far as I'm concerned, I prefer to not being treated like I would be on the police station, as a suspect, but then, there are people out there who LOVE to be treated that way. But don't enter a police station, convincing yourself you're entering a theme park: THEN, indeed, you might be in for some surprise.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Ath on March 06, 2014, 04:27 PM
"I purchased the product in a state where those updates had already occurred."
Peter, please use the standard quote mechanism of the forum, your use of actual quotes around the quote makes it nearly unrecognizable as a quote :o
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Jibz on March 07, 2014, 03:13 AM
I am going to try to summarize the licenses and pricing of DO and a few of the competitors to get a little perspective (all prices are in USD, corrections welcome):

ProductInitial PriceUpgrade PriceLifetime OptionLicense Covers
Directory Opus$80 (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/order_intro.html)$45 /~3yN/A1 PC + 1 laptop (http://www.gpsoft.com.au/order_intro.html)
Total Commander$44N/ANo promises, but free upgrades since v1.0 (http://www.ghisler.com/efaqorder.htm#upd)Any number of computers used by one person at a time (http://www.ghisler.com/efaqorder.htm#numlic)
xplorer2 (ultimate)$50$33 /1y (http://zabkat.com/u_info.htm)$70 addon purchace (http://zabkat.com/x2up.htm)Single user on many computers or many users on a single PC (http://zabkat.com/x2buy.htm)
XYplorer$30$24 /1y (http://xyplorer.com/purchase.php)$80 initial priceAll computers you use (http://xyplorer.com/faq.php)

We can see that the initial purchase of DO is roughly twice as much as the others.

If you buy all upgrades, then the three year upgrade window on DO makes it cheaper in the long run than normal licenses of xplorer2 and XYplorer.

If you buy the lifetime licenses for xplorer2 and XYplorer, then they will become cheaper than DO after the first three years.

As long as Total Commander continues to not charge for upgrades, it will be the cheapest all around.

Another interesting point is the licensing. DO is the only one that limits the number of computers you can use the software on.

If you have to buy DO for three or more computers, then it will be more expensive than a normal license of xplorer2 or XYplorer with upgrades every year.

So, in summary, lifetime licenses are great (as long as the developers honour them). Directory Opus is expensive, but if you are the type of person who buys all upgrades right away, then the larger upgrade window makes it cheaper over time. If you have more than three computers, or if you only buy upgrades when there is something new you actually want, then you will have to do your own math :P.

Edit March 7th: Updated DO upgrade pricing.
Edit May 1st: XYplorer changed it's upgrade policy (http://www.xyplorer.com/release_14.00.htm#LicensePolicy) to include upgrades for 1 year instead of one major version number.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: cyberdiva on March 07, 2014, 09:06 AM
An interesting comparison, but are all these prices in the same currency?  I know that DOpus's prices are in Australian dollars, but I don't know about the others.  For an accurate comparison, they should all be in (or converted to) the same currency.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 07, 2014, 09:52 AM
An interesting comparison, but are all these prices in the same currency?  I know that DOpus's prices are in Australian dollars, but I don't know about the others.  For an accurate comparison, they should all be in (or converted to) the same currency.

Agreed.  And I really don't think you can compare one SW package to another solely on pricing- the benefit for you really weighs into the decision to buy at any price for a lot of people.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Jibz on March 07, 2014, 10:30 AM
An interesting comparison, but are all these prices in the same currency?  I know that DOpus's prices are in Australian dollars, but I don't know about the others.  For an accurate comparison, they should all be in (or converted to) the same currency.

I converted the price for DO from Australian dollar to US, so all the prices listed in the table are in US dollars.

Agreed.  And I really don't think you can compare one SW package to another solely on pricing- the benefit for you really weighs into the decision to buy at any price for a lot of people.

Of course, but much of the discussion in this thread has been about how expensive DO is, so I think it was worth trying to look at how it compared.

Also, if you can't compare a file manager to other file managers, what is the point then?
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: cyberdiva on March 07, 2014, 11:46 AM
An interesting comparison, but are all these prices in the same currency?  I know that DOpus's prices are in Australian dollars, but I don't know about the others.  For an accurate comparison, they should all be in (or converted to) the same currency.

I converted the price for DO from Australian dollar to US, so all the prices listed in the table are in US dollars.
I was looking at the Upgrade price, since I upgraded a day or so ago, and the upgrade price ($50 AUD) converted to ~$44 USD.  I just looked again today, and apparently it's now up to ~45 USD, but that's still not $48 USD.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Jibz on March 07, 2014, 11:59 AM
I was looking at the Upgrade price, since I upgraded a day or so ago, and the upgrade price ($50 AUD) converted to ~$44 USD.  I just looked again today, and apparently it's now up to ~45 USD, but that's still not $48 USD.

I haven't updated my DO since version 9, so I took the information in this thread, that the upgrade price was 40% off. 89 AUD * 0.6 = 53.4, which converted to USD is $48.4. But if you say the upgrade price is $50 AUD, I'll hapilly update the table (it doesn't change any of the conclusions). Thanks :Thmbsup:.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 07, 2014, 12:23 PM
Also, if you can't compare a file manager to other file managers, what is the point then?

You *can* compare a file manager to other file managers.  It's just that comparing them *only* based on price is faulty reasoning, IMO.  If I compare a Fiat to a Lamborghini based only on price, the Fiat is going to win all the time.  Not saying that the difference between the software is that extreme- just stating that for an analogy.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: TucknDar on March 07, 2014, 04:24 PM
Comparing their price isn't faulty reasoning. Jibz didn't, as far as I can tell, state that the price was the only difference. His post was a followup to the price discussion and just brought into the frame some comparison between the differing licenses and prices. It seemed clear enough to me that the post was only concerned with the price and license difference between some well known file managers. An interesting post as well... to me, anyway ;)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: cyberdiva on March 07, 2014, 04:44 PM
I haven't updated my DO since version 9, so I took the information in this thread, that the upgrade price was 40% off. 89 AUD * 0.6 = 53.4, which converted to USD is $48.4. But if you say the upgrade price is $50 AUD, I'll hapilly update the table (it doesn't change any of the conclusions). Thanks :Thmbsup:.
Hi, Jibz.  Yes, I can confirm that I bought the upgrade for $50 AUD.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: xtabber on March 07, 2014, 06:30 PM
Another interesting point is the licensing. DO is the only one that limits the number of computers you can use the software on.

As a matter of principle, I decided some years ago that I would avoid software that places arbitrary restrictions on how I can use it on my own computer(s).  In some cases, I have purchased "family" licenses for some programs that I need on multiple systems, but unless there really is no other reasonable choice, I will always take software that offers per-user licensing over those that license per computer.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: mouser on March 07, 2014, 07:06 PM
i tend to be like xtabber and avoid software that uses a licensing system that is per computer.  it's not just that i don't want to pay for each computer i have, it's that i don't want to deal with any software that is going to make me jump through some painful hoops if i try to move it from one computer to another, etc.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 07, 2014, 07:27 PM
In general, if they have de-registration and such, I agree.  DO is actually pretty easy to move and I've done it several times.  It doesn't deal with machine footprints and calling home, which is the part I hate.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 08:52 AM
As a matter of principle, I decided some years ago that I would avoid software that places arbitrary restrictions on how I can use it on my own computer(s).[/quote]

I, too, hate software that is licensed by computer. However, I lucked into a ridiculous Christmas deal offered by DOpus's german distributor a couple years ago. They were selling it cheaper than BDJ ever has & this deal even included the USB Export and Advanced FTP add-ons bundled in for no extra cost.

Having a license that let me use the program on two PCs (the second does not have to be a laptop) and a portable install on a flash drive sounded reasonable enough for me to make the purchase.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 09:07 AM
It doesn't deal with machine footprints and calling home, which is the part I hate.

While DOpus does phone home you can block it in your firewall from doing so & DOpus will keep functioning normally with no complaints last I checked which means you could even use DOpus on a computer with no internet connection and suffer no ill effects.

DOpus isn't perfect...no program is, but it's one of the few file managers that are fairly close to perfect. The best part is they are very receptive to suggestions through their forum (unlike another file manager who shall remain nameless). As a matter of fact, Peter in the OP was talking about the 'venerable' descript.ion file format being supported. Guess which DC user convinced them to use that format rather than their own proprietary one?

What's remarkable about that is at the time I wasn't even a registered user of DOpus and it came up in an email conversation with Dr. Greg Perry when I was trying to angle for a discount.  ;D    That they would listen to me, an unknown non-customer, made me sit up and take notice. Speaking of discounts, there's never any reason to buy DOpus at full price. Send them a polite, respectful email and they'll happily give you a discount for 25% off just for you taking the time to take interest in them by reaching out.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on March 08, 2014, 10:03 AM
While DOpus does phone home you can block it in your firewall from doing so & DOpus will keep functioning normally with no complaints last I checked which means you could even use DOpus on a computer with no internet connection and suffer no ill effects.
If "check for news and product updates" is enabled it "phones home" to check that once a week (or whatever your setting says).
You can disable it if you want to.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 08, 2014, 11:04 AM
If "check for news and product updates" is enabled it "phones home" to check that once a week (or whatever your setting says).
You can disable it if you want to.

Right.  I don't call that "phoning home".  I call that "checking for news and product updates".  Especially since you can easily disable it.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 40hz on March 08, 2014, 01:14 PM
If "check for news and product updates" is enabled it "phones home" to check that once a week (or whatever your setting says).
You can disable it if you want to.

Right.  I don't call that "phoning home".  I call that "checking for news and product updates".  Especially since you can easily disable it.

Agree w/Wraith. "Check for news,updates, and offers" is a normal and expected feature in many software packages - and one that a many licensed users appreciate having. And since (in DO at least) it can be easily disabled, I see no fault anywhere in providing such a feature.

I consider "phoning home" to be more something that connects to a server somewhere, but provides no direct benefit to the customer when it does so. And I'll include software that does regular license verifications (like MSGA) on non-subscription based software in that category.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 02:18 PM
Right.  I don't call that "phoning home".  I call that "checking for news and product updates".  Especially since you can easily disable it.

I know the difference between checking for updates and phoning home and I'm here to tell you that the program indeed does phone home. Yes, if you have "checking for news and and product updates" enabled, it will happily check a server located at si-sv2378.com which is a is registered to a company called Server Intellect. They are a webhosting company and where DOpus downloads news & updates from. Turn off the setting in preferences and this server will not be contacted again.

However, regardless whether or not you have that setting enabled, every so often Directory Opus will reach out to a server located at cbf02m01-in-fl121.1e100.net. It appears e100.net is registered to a company called MarkMonitor.com. Browsing there it seems to be a company devoted to brand protection and fighting piracy. Directory Opus phones home there to check for blacklisted serials and such and if relevant information is found then appropriate action is taken.

So I will say again, Directory Opus does phone home regardless of what the user has set in preferences. This behavior may have changed since the release of v11, but this was what occurred with v10.

I would not have stated
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 40hz on March 08, 2014, 03:38 PM
@Innuendo - most interesting! :tellme:

If you block it from accessing the website with your firewall, or disable the relevant process's access to the web via a policy, does DO stop working?
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 08, 2014, 03:57 PM
Right.  I don't call that "phoning home".  I call that "checking for news and product updates".  Especially since you can easily disable it.

I know the difference between checking for updates and phoning home and I'm here to tell you that the program indeed does phone home. Yes, if you have "checking for news and and product updates" enabled, it will happily check a server located at si-sv2378.com which is a is registered to a company called Server Intellect. They are a webhosting company and where DOpus downloads news & updates from. Turn off the setting in preferences and this server will not be contacted again.

However, regardless whether or not you have that setting enabled, every so often Directory Opus will reach out to a server located at cbf02m01-in-fl121.1e100.net. It appears e100.net is registered to a company called MarkMonitor.com. Browsing there it seems to be a company devoted to brand protection and fighting piracy. Directory Opus phones home there to check for blacklisted serials and such and if relevant information is found then appropriate action is taken.

So I will say again, Directory Opus does phone home regardless of what the user has set in preferences. This behavior may have changed since the release of v11, but this was what occurred with v10.

I would not have stated


I meant no offense.  I've not noticed the same behaviour.  I have version 9, so perhaps there's a difference in versions.  But I run all of my requests through OpenDNS, and searched through my logs and see no mention of that particular domain.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 08, 2014, 04:05 PM
Let me just leave this here.

https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/174717?hl=en
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 08:01 PM
If you block it from accessing the website with your firewall, or disable the relevant process's access to the web via a policy, does DO stop working?

Like I said when I first mentioned the phoning home, blocking DOpus's access from either or both domains does not impede its operation at all. It will happily function at 100% capacity.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 08:07 PM
I meant no offense.  I've not noticed the same behaviour.  I have version 9, so perhaps there's a difference in versions.  But I run all of my requests through OpenDNS, and searched through my logs and see no mention of that particular domain.

No offense taken!  :)

You & I have frequented these parts long enough not to take anything the other says personally, I'd hope! I did not test v9 so it indeed may exhibit different behavior.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 08:10 PM
Let me just leave this here.

https://support.google.com/faqs/answer/174717?hl=en

And here's a cut-and-paste from whois.com:

Domain Name: 1E100.NET
Registrar: MARKMONITOR INC.
Whois Server: whois.markmonitor.com
Referral URL: http://www.markmonitor.com
Name Server: NS1.GOOGLE.COM
Name Server: NS2.GOOGLE.COM
Name Server: NS3.GOOGLE.COM
Name Server: NS4.GOOGLE.COM
Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Status: clientRenewProhibited
Status: clientTransferProhibited
Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Status: serverDeleteProhibited
Status: serverTransferProhibited
Status: serverUpdateProhibited
Updated Date: 15-sep-2010
Creation Date: 25-sep-2009
Expiration Date: 25-sep-2019

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 08, 2014, 08:25 PM
MarkMonitor is the REGISTRAR not the OWNER. Google is the REGISTRANT (Owner)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 08, 2014, 08:27 PM
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2021-05-02T21:00:00-0700
Registrar: MarkMonitor, Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 292
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.2083895740
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: Domain Administrator
Registrant Organization: Microsoft Corporation
Registrant Street: One Microsoft Way,
Registrant City: Redmond
Registrant State/Province: WA
Registrant Postal Code: 98052
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.4258828080
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.4259367329
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
-Microsoft.com whois information
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 4wd on March 08, 2014, 09:20 PM
This behavior may have changed since the release of v11, ...

V11 contacts 173.194.72.121 = markmonitor.com = Google

ARIN (http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-173-194-0-0-1/pft)
NetRange   173.194.0.0 - 173.194.255.255
CIDR   173.194.0.0/16
Name   GOOGLE
Handle   NET-173-194-0-0-1
Parent   NET173 (NET-173-0-0-0-0)
Net Type   Direct Allocation
Origin AS   AS15169
Organization   Google Inc. (GOGL)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on March 08, 2014, 09:28 PM
C:\Program Files (x86)\FindAndRunRobot>whois 173.194.72.121

Whois v1.11 - Domain information lookup utility
Sysinternals - www.sysinternals.com
Copyright (C) 2005-2012 Mark Russinovich

Connecting to NET.whois-servers.net...
Connecting to whois.markmonitor.com...

Domain ID:
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.markmonitor.com
Registrar URL: http://www.markmonitor.com
Updated Date: 2013-10-29T11:31:53-0700
Creation Date: 2009-09-24T22:40:03-0700
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2019-09-24T22:40:03-0700
Registrar: MarkMonitor, Inc.
Registrar IANA ID: 292
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: [email protected]
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +1.2083895740
Domain Status: clientUpdateProhibited
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited
Domain Status: clientDeleteProhibited
Registry Registrant ID:
Registrant Name: DNS Admin
Registrant Organization: Google Inc.
Registrant Street: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Registrant City: Mountain View
Registrant State/Province: CA
Registrant Postal Code: 94043
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.6502530000
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.6506188571
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: [email protected]
Registry Admin ID:
Admin Name: DNS Admin
Admin Organization: Google Inc.
Admin Street: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Admin City: Mountain View
Admin State/Province: CA
Admin Postal Code: 94043
Admin Country: US
Admin Phone: +1.6502530000
Admin Phone Ext:
Admin Fax: +1.6506188571
Admin Fax Ext:
Admin Email: [email protected]
Registry Tech ID:
Tech Name: DNS Admin
Tech Organization: Google Inc.
Tech Street: 1600 Amphitheatre Parkway
Tech City: Mountain View
Tech State/Province: CA
Tech Postal Code: 94043
Tech Country: US
Tech Phone: +1.6502530000
Tech Phone Ext:
Tech Fax: +1.6506188571
Tech Fax Ext:
Tech Email: [email protected]
Name Server: ns4.google.com
Name Server: ns2.google.com
Name Server: ns1.google.com
Name Server: ns3.google.com
URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
-Whois 173.194.72.121

Server:  resolver1.opendns.com
Address:  208.67.222.222

Name:    tf-in-f121.1e100.net
Address:  173.194.72.121
-nslookup 173.194.72.121
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 08, 2014, 11:29 PM
MarkMonitor is the REGISTRAR not the OWNER. Google is the REGISTRANT (Owner)

Then I stand corrected on that. I was wrong, but the question remains why does Directory Opus contact Google when update checks are turned off?

If you won't believe me, perhaps you'll believe Leo and Jon of GPSoft:

http://resource.dopus.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=19856

User: "My licensed copy of Directory Opus phones home no matter what. I had to block it in my firewall!"

GPSoft: "And what problem is it causing you?"
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Jibz on March 09, 2014, 03:02 AM
Nice find. From that thread, there is also a link to the FAQ (http://resource.dopus.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=17445) which states:

  • ...
  • When verifying the integrity of the program.

This last item involves the various methods Opus uses to protect against viruses and illegal use of the software (DRM). You can block these using a firewall if you wish - Opus does not attempt to "evade" or "get around" your firewall in any way. Legitimate users have no reason to be concerned by this activity, and none of your personal information is ever transmitted in this way.

Personally, I don't really mind the occasional registration check as long as the developers are open about it. I found it more interesting to see how they handle customer support in that thread.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 09, 2014, 09:31 AM
Personally, I don't really mind the occasional registration check as long as the developers are open about it. I found it more interesting to see how they handle customer support in that thread.

Yes, that thread could be seen as an eye-opener in more than one way. I just wanted to make sure people knew that Directory Opus phoned home when the general belief is that it doesn't. My chosen career path dictates I keep abreast of stuff like this...I'm just glad I didn't have to pull out WireShark & a PowerPoint presentation to make my point.  ;)

My research backs up what the FAQ states. Even if you cut Directory Opus off from the internet completely none of the functionality will be diminished & you won't notice any difference in its operation.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on March 09, 2014, 11:57 AM
I wonder when they added that.  As I said, I have 9, don't have it blocked from the internet, and don't see any access like this.  Unless it's so infrequent that I just missed it.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on March 09, 2014, 04:27 PM
I wonder when they added that.  As I said, I have 9, don't have it blocked from the internet, and don't see any access like this.  Unless it's so infrequent that I just missed it.

It's been a part of DOpus for as far back as v6.xx. You can do a Google search and find many forum posts across the internet from software pirates wondering why their previously working serial got blacklisted all of a sudden one day when they fired up DOpus.

It's easy to miss because DOpus doesn't phone home every day...or even every week. I never was curious enough to observe over a long period to find out what the frequency is, but I'd wager it's something along the lines of 'once in a blue moon'.

I absolutely hate software that phones home, but since I can block it with no ill effects I choose to ignore that it does...or at least tries.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: superboyac on July 09, 2014, 04:57 PM
I'm in 2 minds about this upgrade. It's hard to see what killer improvement is there, especially when it costs AUS$50 for the upgrade.

I was wondering about the same thing. I'm having a hard time finding the killer feature for me. I consider myself a basic user of Dopus (I don't even customise it myself, just use Andy's setup (http://www.dearopus.com/opus-interface-setup.html)), but the new features seem to be targeting the super-sophisticated user that can write their own scripts and customise the hell out of the interface.
omg...this Andy guy (the dearopus) is awesome!  His customized setup is beautiful.

I love this freaking dopus program.  Sadly (or not?) I spend more active time with Dopus than any other thing or person in my life.

So I followed Andy's instructions and used a lot of his customizations.  I also added some flat icons I found for the default stuff from the dopus forums.  I have my own custom status bar.  It's basically Dopus pron.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on December 14, 2014, 06:40 PM
I'm a Dopus 10 user. I'm tempted by the latest upgrade offer (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39822.0),  so I've been trying out v. 11.

My first impression is that it is running quite a bit slower (or is a bit more resource hungry), at least concerning the following operation.  In the past, when I'd download a file with Firefox, the downloaded file would show up immediately in the download folder when open in Dopus. With v. 11 however I thought something was wrong because I was looking all over the place in the folder for the latest downloaded file and couldn't find it. It was only after some considerable time that the file eventually showed up.

Has anyone else had that experience?
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Innuendo on December 14, 2014, 08:06 PM
No, I haven't had that experience. Check this thread for troubleshooting tips:

http://resource.dopus.com/viewtopic.php?t=1873
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: 4wd on December 14, 2014, 08:21 PM
In the past, when I'd download a file with Firefox, the downloaded file would show up immediately in the download folder when open in Dopus. With v. 11 however I thought something was wrong because I was looking all over the place in the folder for the latest downloaded file and couldn't find it. It was only after some considerable time that the file eventually showed up.

Has anyone else had that experience?

Yes, but it's always been some retarded AV that was the cause - the download would sit in Firefox/Pale Moon/etc at %100 for up to 15 seconds before the AV program would finally decide it's OK.

It's why I always try to use an AV where I can set at what point a file gets scanned, and writing it isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on December 15, 2014, 06:57 AM
No, I haven't had that experience. Check this thread for troubleshooting tips:

http://resource.dopus.com/viewtopic.php?t=1873

Thanks, will do.


In the past, when I'd download a file with Firefox, the downloaded file would show up immediately in the download folder when open in Dopus. With v. 11 however I thought something was wrong because I was looking all over the place in the folder for the latest downloaded file and couldn't find it. It was only after some considerable time that the file eventually showed up.

Has anyone else had that experience?

Yes, but it's always been some retarded AV that was the cause - the download would sit in Firefox/Pale Moon/etc at %100 for up to 15 seconds before the AV program would finally decide it's OK.

It's why I always try to use an AV where I can set at what point a file gets scanned, and writing it isn't one of them.

This could be part of it. But even launching Dopus 11 seems to take longer than Dopus 10 did. Maybe it is AVG messing things up in the background (recently switched from Avast).
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on December 15, 2014, 08:54 AM
A variation on the problem is that I have deleted a file from a folder but it was still there. When some 15 sec later I wanted to delete it again, it would give me an error message (i.e. it was already deleted but it wasn't cleared from view). I had to navigate to another folder and then back to "refresh" the folder and get rid of the 'nonexistent' file.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on December 15, 2014, 09:55 AM
A variation on the problem is that I have deleted a file from a folder but it was still there. When some 15 sec later I wanted to delete it again, it would give me an error message (i.e. it was already deleted but it wasn't cleared from view). I had to navigate to another folder and then back to "refresh" the folder and get rid of the 'nonexistent' file.

You are persuading me to stick with 9 LOL :)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on December 15, 2014, 10:19 AM
You are persuading me to stick with 9 LOL :)

That was certainly not my intention... But it could be that my 4-yr old machine might be just too old for v. 11? BTW, I was pretty happy with v. 10.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on December 15, 2014, 09:11 PM
I've never had such issues but I'm using ESET AV.
I really like v11, especially because its scripting abilities is frequently expanded on, and there
are frequent beta's to the next minor version.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on December 16, 2014, 08:34 AM
My first impression is that it is running quite a bit slower (or is a bit more resource hungry), at least concerning the following operation.  In the past, when I'd download a file with Firefox, the downloaded file would show up immediately in the download folder when open in Dopus. With v. 11 however I thought something was wrong because I was looking all over the place in the folder for the latest downloaded file and couldn't find it. It was only after some considerable time that the file eventually showed up.

Has anyone else had that experience?

I havent found DO11 to be more resource hungry (but that's with i5+8GB ram)
I have had some slow-to-refresh scenarios, but not often enough to follow-up on it :-\

Note that DOpus is now at version 11.8
This *seems* to suggest that they might be reducing the time between upgrades (version 11 having been released in March 2014 according to this thread).


EDIT// (in case version 12 is relelased soonish:)
I dont know what their upgrade pricing is when upgrading from an older version (e.g. for 11, version 9 or older; etc.)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: cyberdiva on December 16, 2014, 10:50 AM
EDIT// (in case version 12 is relelased soonish:)
I dont know what their upgrade pricing is when upgrading from an older version (e.g. for 11, version 9 or older; etc.)
This posting may answer that question, at least for a couple more weeks:
https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39822.0 (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39822.0)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: myarmor on December 16, 2014, 01:54 PM
(in case version 12 is relelased soonish:)
Quote from greg (http://resource.dopus.com/viewtopic.php?p=127475#p127475) in the DO forums earlier today:
Be not afraid! :) While we never comment on release dates nor plans for new major versions, these are traditionally every 2-3 years.
Opus 11 was only released this year so Opus 12 is a long way off yet.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: tomos on December 16, 2014, 02:14 PM
Thanks cyberdiva and myarmor for clarifications :up:

Quote from greg (http://resource.dopus.com/viewtopic.php?p=127475#p127475) in the DO forums earlier today:
Be not afraid! :) While we never comment on release dates nor plans for new major versions, these are traditionally every 2-3 years.
Opus 11 was only released this year so Opus 12 is a long way off yet.
I see he also says:
As some may remember, earlier this year, to avoid confusion, we dropped the 4th numeral in the traditional version scheme so the current versioning is now only X,y,z or more correctly V.S.B - for Version, Sub-version, Beta release. This current version system means that Opus 11 does not finish at 11.9 and may go to 11.666 yet.:)
:D
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on December 22, 2014, 03:12 PM
I havent found DO11 to be more resource hungry (but that's with i5+8GB ram)

Unfortunately DO11 continued to be too slow on my system (i7+8GB ram). But I saw someone on the Dopus forum having a similar issue on brand new gear, so maybe it's not about the specs but something else.

Too bad, as I would have gladly upgraded, even just to support the developers, as Dopus is one of my favourites. It's just that it needs to be working out of the box for me right now as I don't have the time for troubleshooting.

I have reverted to DO10 and things are back to running fine.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: J-Mac on December 24, 2014, 12:34 AM
Dopus 11 stopped working on my computer altogether!! Cannot figure out what is wrong. Spent some time on their forum but no one else has any ideas either.

My computer does have a bad memory stick - I believe - and I'm testing all sticks in all slots to find the mem problem now. Don’t know if that caused my Dopus issue, but presently, though Dopus 11 is installed and licensed, it will not run at all. Frustrating as hell!!

Jim
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on December 24, 2014, 04:20 AM
maybe it's not about the specs but something else.

One suspicion I have is that running a bunch of Chrome services was affecting my PC's performance, and somehow especially that of DO11.

Normally I have a Chrome browser open with Calendar, Drive, and several Google Sheets, as well as WorkFlowy running in a stand-alone Chrome app. (The local Google Drive directory was also pre-set in a Dopus tab, although it was set not to load automatically.) This normally would result in a large number of Google processes running under the hood, with significant RAM usage.

After I shut down Chrome and ran the same Google and WorkFlowy web pages in Firefox instead, the performance of my PC had improved significantly. Unfortunately I can't test this theory with DO11 because I uninstalled it, but even DO10 performance had improved noticeably.

---

P.S. And the other suspicion is about a scheduled Malwarebytes scan kicking in without me realising it, which slows things down... It was set to kick in daily (by default, I presume), so I just changed it to weekly...
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: MerleOne on December 28, 2014, 03:27 PM
I'm a Dopus 10 user. I'm tempted by the latest upgrade offer (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=39822.0),  so I've been trying out v. 11.

My first impression is that it is running quite a bit slower (or is a bit more resource hungry), at least concerning the following operation.  In the past, when I'd download a file with Firefox, the downloaded file would show up immediately in the download folder when open in Dopus. With v. 11 however I thought something was wrong because I was looking all over the place in the folder for the latest downloaded file and couldn't find it. It was only after some considerable time that the file eventually showed up.

Has anyone else had that experience?

Yes, for me too, on a slow but recent PC (slow processor), I had to revert to V10 to get something usable.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Josh on September 05, 2016, 10:56 PM
Directory Opus 12 is now available (https://www.gpsoft.com.au/)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on September 06, 2016, 02:08 AM
Still too pricey for the features.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: michaelkenward on September 06, 2016, 03:47 AM
Still too pricey for the features.
A bargain if you own the earlier version.

And constantly updated with new features added and changes to accommodate whatever Microsoft gets up to.

Saves the cost of any number of standalone utilities. Not, though, for those who believe everything should be free, except for their own labour, of course.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on September 06, 2016, 04:45 AM
According to the v12 change list nothing valuable (for me) is added. (But I'm quite happy with my combination of x² and SC anyway.)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: nitrix-ud on September 06, 2016, 04:51 AM
Directory Opus 12 is now available

Just upgraded to dopus 12 (5 licenses for about 105 euros)

a bargain considering the time saved :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: J-Mac on September 06, 2016, 09:01 AM
I already upgraded last night. This software hasn't let me down yet.

Jim
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on September 06, 2016, 09:34 AM
Still too pricey for the features.

Depends on what features you use.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: xtabber on September 06, 2016, 09:37 AM
Different strokes for different folks, but there is still nothing in DOpus that would make me want to switch from XYplorer, and much that doesn't.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on September 06, 2016, 09:40 AM
I've tried several different ones- XYPlorer, Xplorer2, DOpus, and many others.  I try to resist, because DO is more expensive.  But in the end, I always upgrade.  Just too much that I use that's not in the other options.  And that's from someone with a lifetime to XYPlorer.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: MilesAhead on September 06, 2016, 11:15 AM
I am tempted to delve into Multi Commander (http://multicommander.com/)

It has a built in scripting thingie that looks very powerful.  Also it is totally free.  What makes me hesitate is I think it is a one developer deal.  Or is that just an excuse not to learn the scripting syntax?  The big drawback with all the file managers that are not Explorer is that they don't sit in memory all the time.  Perhaps I could try running it out of a ramdisk.  I liked FreeCommander very much.  But the transition to Lazarus really made it seem not the same to me.

Multi Commander has the advantage it already comes in native 32 and 64 bit versions.  Just for grins I may try running the portable 64 bit version out of my ramdisk to see if it fits.  At this point I haven't done anything with it.  So uninstalling loses me not much to go portable.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on September 06, 2016, 11:23 AM
Lazarus doesn't change functionality. However, I made the experience that freeware file managers - except FAR, of course - are notably worse than their commercial pendants, usability-wise.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: MilesAhead on September 06, 2016, 01:46 PM
Lazarus doesn't change functionality. However, I made the experience that freeware file managers - except FAR, of course - are notably worse than their commercial pendants, usability-wise.

The freeCommander author made it a bit different when he released the XE version.  Also it came out with many functions unimplemented and filled in piecemeal.  One of the last was the multi-renamer which was one of my favorite freeCommander functions.  I still haven't seen the 64 bit release.

The trouble with a file manager is a tendency to use that as the cockpit.  If you decide you made a bad choice you likely invested lots of time that has to be jettisoned unless the replacement has a similar command set and layout.

But I don't do a zillion file operations a day.  So it is not really the basis of how I use the PC.  A guy I worked with did everything out of X-Tree Gold.  He pretty much talked me into buying it.  It worked well so I didn't feel ripped off.  But I got nowhere near the use from it that he did.

Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on September 06, 2016, 01:48 PM
That's not Lazarus's fault, though. Delphi doesn't really make a difference.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: MilesAhead on September 06, 2016, 01:51 PM
That's not Lazarus's fault, though. Delphi doesn't really make a difference.

The difference would have been a 64 bit version that looked exactly the same as the 32 bit.  What provoked the change to Lazarus was anticipation of the need to compile x64 without spending a lot of $$$
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on September 06, 2016, 01:53 PM
So the only difference is the money. I doubt that will make the application worse.
The fC has always been a quite overly colored application.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: wraith808 on September 06, 2016, 02:19 PM
That's not Lazarus's fault, though. Delphi doesn't really make a difference.

What does that even mean?  Are you saying that Delphi doesn't do 64-bit (http://docwiki.embarcadero.com/RADStudio/Seattle/en/DCC64)?  Or did you mean something else?
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: Tuxman on September 06, 2016, 02:28 PM
I meant that the bad quality of the Lazarus fC is not caused by Lazarus.
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: MilesAhead on September 06, 2016, 05:13 PM
I meant that the bad quality of the Lazarus fC is not caused by Lazarus.

I understand.  That is when it happened because to move to 64 bit the developer had(due to monetary concerns) to change to Lazarus.  Since he had to write a new application he made it a bit differently.  Only to be expected.  But I had used freeCommander for so many years I like it the way it was.  I was hoping for a 64 bit implementation with no learning curve.

Afaik the x64 version is still only in beta and given out as a "thank you" to donors.  Who knows if it will ever be ready for prime time.  :)
Title: Re: Directory Opus 11 Released!
Post by: dr_andus on June 15, 2017, 08:36 AM
Well, I don't know what they did exactly in this regard, but the latest Directory Opus 12.6 update (7th June, 2017) appears to have fixed my long-standing problem, whereby launching the app in the first instance could take up to a minute sometime (freezing).

There is nothing in the release history to suggest what could have been the fix. But I'm not complaining...

  • Fix for crash which could occur when refreshing the folder display, opening new tabs, or renaming files in some cases.
  • Fixed crash which could sometimes occur with certain command sequences in a button. (e.g. CreateFolder, then open the folder in the dual display.)
  • The Filter Bar now automatically disables partial matching when a file type group is being matched. For example, grp:Archives will no longer match example.rar.jpg, even if partial matching is enabled.
  • Fixed minor problem displaying some licence counts in the licence manager.