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Title: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on December 20, 2010, 02:28 PM
NANY 2011 (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?board=299.0)

Application Name askapic.com
Version let's just call it Beta
Short Description Photo Question & Answer Site
Supported OSes N/A
Web Page http://www.askapic.com/
System Requirementsa browser :)
Authors tomos (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24930) & adi_barb (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=274727) with lots of help from mouser (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=2)


Well, lets call this a release :D There wont be any structural changes made to the site till Monday (Jan 3rd) or later

First I'll say -
if you go to the site and have problems, have a look at Current Problems below and see if that helps you - if the problem isnt listed please post about it - thanks!


Description

The idea is very simple

Background
I was working on this idea for a while with mouser. Then we were both busy and it just sat there for a while. Recently adi started two threads: we want to enter a small nany web service app, coded in php... any suggestions? (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24883.0) and FamousWhy Software : Famous Questions CMS (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24887.msg227024#msg227024). So I suggested the idea to him.
Basically adi & co. have been working for the last week customising their Q&A "CMS" while I've been saying I want this :-* and I want that and generally pestering them :)

Evolution of Idea
initially I was thinking of it as a very practical, an 'identification' site - what is this - this is an oak tree. Now it's much more open - we wont really know what the site will be like until it gets going. Which makes it interesting, and means that you can mould it to however you would like it to be...

Features


Current Problems (mainly the big ones :p)

1) You have to tag an image before it will be accepted:
2) Facebook login works a treat - but I'm not sure what shows up on your Facebook homepage (nothing in my case) - do let me know! [seems to be showing okay on FB]
3) Currently you are UNABLE to change any details on your Profile page
4) Categories are not properly associated with the questions i.e. on Categories page they all show as having zero related questions.
5) "Unanswered" tab on the homepage shows all questions
6) if you ask a question and then login using name & password, you may get an error message but the login should still be successful
7) Some emails take a long time (I get emails instantly in my gmail a/c but have had to wait hours with other email accounts. But note that you can post instantly - without having gotten your regristration email. I dont know why this is - some problem with the godaddy email accounts maybe.


Planned Features

Screenshots

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home/indexpage

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full question page


HOW YOU CAN HELP (!)

Feedback
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: cranioscopical on December 20, 2010, 02:36 PM
what do you think of the name imagenamer.com ?
-Tomos

Quizapick (has more than one deliberate ambiguity).
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 20, 2010, 03:27 PM
Nice!

What about AskMyPhoto?
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: timns on December 20, 2010, 03:31 PM
Wossissden.com (you may have to say it out loud)



Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on December 20, 2010, 03:35 PM
what do you think of the name imagenamer.com ?
-Tomos

Quizapick (has more than one deliberate ambiguity).
-cranioscopical (December 20, 2010, 02:36 PM)
I should have asked you a long time ago Chris :-*
have to get the opinion of my advisor though (yes, mouser)

Nice!

What about AskMyPhoto?

I like this one too... Quizapick is more catchy I think, but this one is more straightforward :up:

:-\
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on December 20, 2010, 03:45 PM
Wossissden.com (you may have to say it out loud)

:) I had similar ideas but was told someone has to be able to spell it on hearing it....
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: timns on December 20, 2010, 03:47 PM
Wossissden.com (you may have to say it out loud)

:) I had similar ideas but was told someone has to be able to spell it on hearing it....

Curse those practicalities. For what it's worth, I like cranio's suggestion... there could be some fun aspects to uploading confusing images to see what people make of them. Does anyone remember those weird photos they used to show on "Ask the Family?"
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 20, 2010, 03:58 PM
what about "photosqa" from Photos Questions and Answers ?
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 20, 2010, 04:29 PM
What about the following :

askapic  :Thmbsup: ; picwhy ; photosabout

All the names are available on .com
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: timns on December 20, 2010, 04:37 PM
What about the following :

askapic  :Thmbsup: ; picwhy ; photosabout

All the names are available on .com

I'm amazed askapic.com is still available. That's pretty good, I think.
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on December 20, 2010, 04:39 PM
askapic  :Thmbsup:

I like that too :)
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 20, 2010, 04:48 PM
glad you like askapic cause I'm really happy as well it's available. It's so hard to find good names on .com nowadays.

should I look for more alternatives?
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on December 20, 2010, 05:06 PM
went for askapic -
thanks for all the help :-*
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 20, 2010, 05:10 PM
my pleasure tom  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY PLEDGE [almost there] Photo Q&A Site
Post by: cranioscopical on December 20, 2010, 07:14 PM
What about the following :
askapic
Gets my vote (well, it would if I had one).  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2010, 09:23 AM
Another Plea for HELP :) (questions are numbered)

when you upload an image you have to choose a category and a sub-category
I dont want to have too many top-level categories so (1) I'm looking for help in what main categories to use. (2) Some names may have to be modified for the US
So far I have


off the top of my head, there's many possible canditates (with of course possibility of overlap):

art(y), sciences, people, computer related, food, [(3) should I say Movies instead of Film], politics (might just leave that out), sport,

General has only two sub-categories so far:

I'm happy with the Natural sub-categories

Film has none yet, maybe film, actor, [(4) people dont say actress any more?], director, + +  ??

Mechanical has the following subs:
cameras
cars
computer [(5) or maybe make that a seperate main category?]
planes
trains/locomotives
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: mouser on December 22, 2010, 10:10 AM
let me suggest the same thing i suggest to people who are creating new forums:

Start out with the smallest number of categories/sections you possible can, and expand only when things get busy enough to demand re-organization.
There is a big temptation to logically organize everything into tons of hierarchical categories, but when you start out with so many different isolated areas in the beginning, it just feels empty and pointless.

Just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2010, 11:19 AM
Start out with the smallest number of categories/sections you possible can, and expand only when things get busy enough to demand re-organization.
There is a big temptation to logically organize everything into tons of hierarchical categories, but when you start out with so many different isolated areas in the beginning, it just feels empty and pointless.

yeah,
the Q&A framework came with Categories and Topics(Tags) which I already find a bit confusing - I guess the idea of the categories is to have a more structured framework.
A problem with tags is that I mght call something one name and you another (and then there's spelling differences) which makes it difficult to track down stuff....

I'm starting to think that if you want to categorise stuff you would nearly have to make a different website for each category e.g.
TheNaturalWorld [.com - available for 1.5 grand :)]
etc....
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2010, 12:19 PM

Anyone got any tips re "terms and conditions" [for] the site?


edit/ is there something generic out there I could use for the moment?
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: JavaJones on December 22, 2010, 03:32 PM
Re: categories, I'd be more in favor of tags. They're more flexible. Alternatively you could go with a system that allows suggesting new categories. With *either* solution you want an auto-complete of some kind or a "suggest" function so there is less chance for spelling-related miscategorization, etc.

Re: terms and conditions, one thing you definitely want to make clear is copyright. Essentially, anyone uploading an image should, by doing so, be stating that they either own the copyright for the image, have explicit permission from the copyright holder to use it in this manner, or it is an open/creative commons/otherwise not copyright controlled image. These kinds of Cover Your Ass (CYA :D) terms may be critical to the long-term survival of such a system as it could otherwise be easily cut-off from web hosting without warning, or be the subject of a lot of DMCA/take-down notices (at the least).

- Oshyan
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: mouser on December 22, 2010, 03:38 PM
You may also want to mention whether or not you want to allow adult images.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 22, 2010, 04:15 PM
Okay,
good tips there, thanks.

To make my job easier though - is there any basic T&C out there for public use that I could then modify?
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: JavaJones on December 22, 2010, 04:35 PM
Likely any photo sharing site would have a T&C that would be a good start, e.g. Flickr, Smugmug, Picasa, or an art site like DeviantArt.

- Oshyan
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 23, 2010, 03:36 AM
Oshyan,
what you wrote re tags got me thinking a bit 'deeper' about it.
I started a new thread Tags for multiple users - problems (& solutions?) (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24991.0)

I was querying what "Categories" to use for a new Q&A website (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24956.0) and got this reply:

Re: categories, I'd be more in favor of tags. They're more flexible. Alternatively you could go with a system that allows suggesting new categories. With *either* solution you want an auto-complete of some kind or a "suggest" function so there is less chance for spelling-related miscategorization, etc.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: mouser on December 23, 2010, 04:11 AM
With all the suggestions, i forgot to say: CONGRATULATIONS to tomos and adi_barb for getting this up and running so quickly!
Very very impressive.  :up: :up: :up:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: app103 on December 23, 2010, 04:37 AM
Re: terms and conditions, one thing you definitely want to make clear is copyright. Essentially, anyone uploading an image should, by doing so, be stating that they either own the copyright for the image, have explicit permission from the copyright holder to use it in this manner, or it is an open/creative commons/otherwise not copyright controlled image. These kinds of Cover Your Ass (CYA :D) terms may be critical to the long-term survival of such a system as it could otherwise be easily cut-off from web hosting without warning, or be the subject of a lot of DMCA/take-down notices (at the least).

I agree. In fact, I would probably limit it to public domain/creative commons only, and make the user fill out a credit box with creator info (name, url), and let them check some boxes for the image's license type: BY, NC, ND, SA, PD/CC0 (some of these can be combined, some can not)

This would allow your site to become truly useful as a repository of free images with open licenses and cut down on the legal worries associated with allowing users to just upload whatever they please.

Keep in mind that there are additional concerns with images beyond license type, with regards to signed model releases for images containing people's faces and signed property releases for some objects (like visibly branded items, trademarked items, some buildings, photos of artworks, etc.)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 23, 2010, 04:44 AM
With all the suggestions, i forgot to say: CONGRATULATIONS to tomos and adi_barb for getting this up and running so quickly!
Very very impressive.  :up: :up: :up:

shhhhh lol
it's not officially there yet :)

But hey, people:
go have a look if you want, you should even be able to post successfully,
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 23, 2010, 05:18 AM
Flickr's terms are actually Yahoo's (http://info.yahoo.com/legal/uk/yahoo/utos-173.html) (link to UK terms). See spoiler for the part relevant to content.

#3 is a bit odd but the rest seem helpful.
See the query at the end ;-)

Spoiler
You agree to not use the Services to:

   1. upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that is unlawful, harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, tortuous, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libellous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;
   2. harm minors in any way;
   3. impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Yahoo! official, forum leader, guide or host, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity;
   4. forge headers or otherwise manipulate identifiers in order to disguise the origin of any Content transmitted through the Services;
   5. upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that you do not have a right to transmit under any law or under contractual or fiduciary relationships (such as inside information, proprietary and confidential information learned or disclosed as part of employment relationships or under nondisclosure agreements);
   6. upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any Content that infringes any patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright or other proprietary rights ("Rights") of any party;
   7. upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any unsolicited or unauthorised advertising, promotional materials, "junk mail," "spam," "chain letters," "pyramid schemes," or any other form of solicitation, except in those areas that are designated for such purpose;
   8. upload, post, email or otherwise transmit any material that contains software viruses or any other computer code, files or programs designed to interrupt, damage, destroy or limit the functionality of any computer software or hardware or telecommunications equipment;
   9. disrupt the normal flow of dialogue, cause a screen to "scroll" faster than other users of the Services are able to type, or otherwise act in a manner that negatively affects other users' ability to engage in real time exchanges;
  10. interfere with or disrupt the Services or servers or networks connected to the Services, or disobey any requirements, procedures, policies or regulations of networks connected to the Services;
  11. intentionally or unintentionally violate any applicable law or regulation including, but not limited to, regulations promulgated by any securities exchange;
  12. "stalk" or otherwise harass another; or
  13. extract, collect, process, combine or store personal data about other users.


do you think I could simply copy them (with minor adjustments) :tellme:


edit/ added link
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 23, 2010, 05:34 AM
I would probably limit it to public domain/creative commons only, and make the user fill out a credit box with creator info (name, url), and let them check some boxes for the image's license type: BY, NC, ND, SA, PD/CC0 (some of these can be combined, some can not)

This would allow your site to become truly useful as a repository of free images with open licenses and cut down on the legal worries associated with allowing users to just upload whatever they please.

It would be great if people could tick a box which would apply a particular license. I dont know if that's even possible - BUT the reality is: if someone really wanted to post something they would lie. So I think the Terms have to place the responsibility on them to NOT upload copyright material.

It would be great to have a repository of free images but I dont think it's feasible in this instance - I mean, how can people really prove that an image is theirs to license? It may be possible, but I cant see it being easy....
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 23, 2010, 06:42 AM
Anyone feeling bored :D

Provisional Terms of Use:

http://askapic.com/terms_of_use-i2/
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: adi_barb on December 26, 2010, 08:50 AM
Thanks mouser for your nice words.

tomos: here's a great online tool  many people use : generateprivacypolicy.com  for the privacy policy page.

 :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: app103 on December 26, 2010, 09:48 AM
I would probably limit it to public domain/creative commons only, and make the user fill out a credit box with creator info (name, url), and let them check some boxes for the image's license type: BY, NC, ND, SA, PD/CC0 (some of these can be combined, some can not)

This would allow your site to become truly useful as a repository of free images with open licenses and cut down on the legal worries associated with allowing users to just upload whatever they please.

It would be great if people could tick a box which would apply a particular license. I dont know if that's even possible - BUT the reality is: if someone really wanted to post something they would lie. So I think the Terms have to place the responsibility on them to NOT upload copyright material.

It would be great to have a repository of free images but I dont think it's feasible in this instance - I mean, how can people really prove that an image is theirs to license? It may be possible, but I cant see it being easy....

The form isn't so much for enforcement as it is to remind users of the site's policies with regards to licensing of images, what is allowed and what is not, and making it easier for the user to comply with existing licenses by giving credit to the source of images that are already CC licensed, and renewing the agreement to follow the rules each and every time they upload something.

Yeah, sure they could still lie, but if they do and you get a takedown notice, you just delete the image (and ban the user if it is a blatant violation of the site's policies).
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 28, 2010, 06:19 AM
Any opinions on this as a Facebook icon - design; quality
(90 x 90 pixels)


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[edit] 2011-01-04 going to add other related images here [/edit]

this a signature one:

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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: app103 on December 28, 2010, 08:26 AM
Any opinions on this as a Facebook icon - design; quality
(90 x 90 pixels)

 (see attachment in previous post (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=24956.msg228857#msg228857))


Whatever you choose, it should become the recognizable face of your service, so you really should go for consistency across all sites where your logo will be displayed. Settle on a single design that can serve for your logo on the site, and on facebook, twitter, or anywhere else.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Pledge: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 28, 2010, 11:19 AM
Whatever you choose, it should become the recognizable face of your service, so you really should go for consistency across all sites where your logo will be displayed. Settle on a single design that can serve for your logo on the site, and on facebook, twitter, or anywhere else.

need.  more.  t i i i i i i m m m m m m m m e . . .  :tellme:
ps thanks for the tip :)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: Photo Q&A Site - askapic.com
Post by: tomos on December 30, 2010, 08:53 AM
Well,
I think we can call that a release :) - I've changed as much as I'm able to -
there wont be any structural changes made to the site till Monday (Jan 3rd) at the earliest.

If you go visit it askapic.com (http://www.askapic.com/) keep in mind that the posting process has yet to be streamlined - at some stage (before or after your visit) have a read of the problems listed here. If you discover a problem that isnt listed here, do let us know about it :Thmbsup: Thanks!

Current Problems (mainly the big ones :p)

1) You have to tag an image before it will be accepted:
  • you have to add a comma "," after the tag word for it to be accepted
  • the status of your selected file is not indicated - e.g. if you forget to add a tag to an image, you will get an error message and the site will 'forget' the selected file's details so you'll have to srat from scratch (your question is remembered though).
2) Facebook login works a treat - but I'm not sure what shows up on your Facebook homepage (nothing in my case) - do let me know! [seems to be showing okay on FB]
3) Currently you are UNABLE to change any details on your Profile page
4) Categories are not properly associated with the questions i.e. on Categories page they all show as having zero related questions.
5) "Unanswered" tab on the homepage shows all questions
6) if you ask a question and then login using name & password, you may get an error message but the login should still be successful
7) Some emails take a long time (I get emails instantly in my gmail a/c but have had to wait hours with other email accounts. But note that you can post instantly - without having gotten your regristration email. I dont know why this is - some problem with the godaddy email accounts maybe.


edit: #5 strikethrough
edit: # 4  # 2 :-[ :)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 02, 2011, 03:14 AM
we hope to finish all the necessary modifications the next 2-3 days.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 02, 2011, 04:43 AM
we hope to finish all the necessary modifications the next 2-3 days.

sounds great Adi :Thmbsup:

To the rest of you:- it is very usable at the moment, just at times, not as user friendly as it could be.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: PhilB66 on January 02, 2011, 05:49 AM
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Browser: IE8
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 02, 2011, 05:58 AM
It's a number 4  ;)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 02, 2011, 05:58 AM
Actually, I wondered the same thing on FireFox
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: mouser on January 02, 2011, 07:52 AM
It's a number 4


 ;D
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: worstje on January 02, 2011, 08:25 AM
To be precise, it is the number of people that noticed a number in the top left corner when they visit the page, and complained about it afterwards. Prepare for that number to skyrocket, folks. :P
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 02, 2011, 11:38 AM
I hadn't noticed that - on my screen (FF) it's tucked away in the corner

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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: wraith808 on January 02, 2011, 02:16 PM
Suggestion: Integrate OpenID for sign-in.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 02, 2011, 06:22 PM
Suggestion: Integrate OpenID for sign-in.

+1  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 04, 2011, 02:35 AM
To be precise, it is the number of people that noticed a number in the top left corner when they visit the page, and complained about it afterwards. Prepare for that number to skyrocket, folks. :P

that "4" was a little misspelling error in the language file    ;D

openId is good and maybe twitter too. we will have them in our minds  :-[
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 04, 2011, 11:28 AM
I'm working on a slideshow page - here's ideas so far:

Keep it simple.
A Black screen with:

You can reach the slideshow page two ways
     1) link in the header (slideshow sorted by date)
     2) if you select a category or tag, relevant questions will be shown, with a link-button: [view as slideshow]

Here's what I proposed a while ago for the slideshow buttons:
[newer] [PLAY/PAUSE] [Older]  [Random] [selected topic] [x close]

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I hope that's fairly self-explanatory (?)

What's missing though is the ability to look at just unanswered questions.
Any ideas how I could introduce that?
Another button? [Unanswered] --> reads [Show All] when I click it ?

[newer] [PLAY/PAUSE] [Older]                  [Random] [Unanswered] [selected topic] [x close]


thanks for any suggestions


edited/ the formatting
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: mouser on January 04, 2011, 11:39 PM
askapic is looking really nice  :up:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 05, 2011, 01:34 AM
when clicking on [selected] there will be a dropdown which will display the categories and when a category is selected, the last picture and question posted in that category will appear in the slideshow. I'm afraid if there will be tens of categories the dropdown will be annoying being too high. I'm also not sure about what to do with the "topics" there.

I think a black background will not match the rest of the design and think about the fact that there could be uploaded pictures with small sizes. Big slideshows looks great due to the large size of the images

e.g: buildinternet.com/project/supersized/default.php

in the picture, there is no header and footer. I'm a little bit confused about how people will get on the previous page or homepage.

mouser thanks for your nice words.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 05, 2011, 03:39 AM
mouser thanks for your nice words.
+1 :)


[1] when clicking on [selected] there will be a dropdown which will display the categories and when a category is selected, the last picture and question posted in that category will appear in the slideshow. I'm afraid if there will be tens of categories the dropdown will be annoying being too high. I'm also not sure about what to do with the "topics" there.

[2] I think a black background will not match the rest of the design and think about the fact that there could be uploaded pictures with small sizes. Big slideshows looks great due to the large size of the images

e.g: buildinternet.com/project/supersized/default.php

[3] in the picture, there is no header and footer. I'm a little bit confused about how people will get on the previous page or homepage.
(Adi, I numbered your points.)

The main idea of the slideshow is to focus on the images (and questions) with as few distractions as possible.

[1] misunderstanding: I meant these to be links to the Categories & Topics pages.
I'm not even sure if that's a good idea. Maybe best leave it out completely.

[2] Point taken. Thoughts: A black background is commonly used for slideshows - think of Flickr and Picassaweb. They are otherwise white background so maybe it doesnt clash so much because of that?
The blue background could be used successfully - but only if it is kept very minimal IMO.

[3] Normally you get out of a slideshow by clicking on the close button - if that said [Home] instead of [x close] I think it would be clear (?)
Re header & footer:
Slideshow is about images. They have to be the focus.
Say we used the layout of the individual question page and put the controls beneath the image - many people would have to scroll down to see the full image or to get to the controls. That's why I dont want the header.
Also dont want the header or footer becasue they distract from the images.

~ I'll try doing a mockup of a blue page with the links across the top and see how that looks.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 05, 2011, 04:35 AM
how about something like this:

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EDIT/ added a couple of buttons on top

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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 05, 2011, 04:52 AM

I like the blue :Thmbsup:

and I think everything is covered there - while keeping it nice and simple
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 05, 2011, 07:03 AM
what do you think about this?

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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 05, 2011, 07:27 AM
I think that looks very good :Thmbsup:

Queries/comments:

1) is the question left out completely? If not, where could it go?

2) the [CATEGORIES] button above the image could be left out - if the header is going to be included

3) EDUCATION there is a category - that could be left out as well I think


would this be possible:

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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 05, 2011, 07:29 AM
1) is the question left out completely? If not, where could it go?
[...]
would this be possible:

or could the question be shown as a tooltip?

Then click on image to go to answer it / see other answers.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 05, 2011, 07:45 AM
yes! definitely.

The question will appear with a nice ontop effect on the image... somewhere in the upper left part of it.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 06, 2011, 03:04 AM
please take a look http://askapic.com/photos/
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there's a small "i" in the upper left part for displaying the question and images link directly to the question's page.

we're almost done
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 06, 2011, 03:05 AM
please take a look http://askapic.com/photos/

we're almost done

Just been looking :Thmbsup: and it's looking good.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 06, 2011, 03:59 AM
we placed the buttons below the slideshow. we couldn't include the "categories" in the menu.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 06, 2011, 04:06 AM
we placed the buttons below the slideshow. we couldn't include the "categories" in the menu.

they're good there, they move the footer down a bit which is good.
They are nice and discreet too as text links :up:
Looks great now, very clean - I like it.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 06, 2011, 04:30 AM
that's great.
I've just discovered a small bug when adding friends. They aren't displayed in the public profile pages. We'll solve this right away.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 06, 2011, 05:13 AM
that's great.
I've just discovered a small bug when adding friends. They aren't displayed in the public profile pages. We'll solve this right away.

another "Friends" bug there & some related queries per PM
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 06, 2011, 06:42 AM
solved this one too for the public page and also when sending and displaying the private message.

Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 06, 2011, 11:35 AM
Latest query - to everybody!

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EDIT:  http://askapic.com/
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: mouser on January 06, 2011, 11:47 AM
answered :)

ps. the slide show is a really nice interface.. if you can get the questions showing for each photo at the top of the photo, you might actually make that the default view.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 06, 2011, 12:00 PM
ps. the slide show is a really nice interface..
I agree - it's lovely and clean and smooth  :-* :D


>> ps. the slide show is a really nice interface.. if you can get the questions showing for each photo at the top of the photo, you might actually make that the default view.

there's an interesting idea!


>> answered

I agree with you there - I just wasnt sure which one!
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: worstje on January 06, 2011, 12:01 PM
I find it hard to comment on the colours thing. While I realize I haven't spoken up till now, I'm not personally a fan of the light blue background your website has going as a theme, and the logos as they are aren't even set to that colour background, making it even harder to make a right decision.

On a white bg, the greish one looks best. The other two.. I don't know. The colours aren't all that bad, but I just don't like the chemistry the way I see it atm. Dropshadows are overdone imo and I'd recommend taking it out to look less cheap. :)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 06, 2011, 12:18 PM
I find it hard to comment on the colours thing. While I realize I haven't spoken up till now, I'm not personally a fan of the light blue background your website has going as a theme, and the logos as they are aren't even set to that colour background, making it even harder to make a right decision.
True.
The whole thing happened so quickly that there wasnt much time to spend on design - well actually I spent a share of late nights in that role, but, the fact is - while I have some experience with layout - I'm not a designer...

I actually like the blue myself. I've gotten mixed responses from others about it.


On a white bg, the greish one looks best. The other two.. I don't know. The colours aren't all that bad, but I just don't like the chemistry the way I see it atm. Dropshadows are overdone imo and I'd recommend taking it out to look less cheap. :)

I'm happy with the design at any rate - there is a version for the site too - colours would definitely have to be changed, but I've got to install illustrator first...

EDIT/ ahh, I see you also posted on-site worstje :up:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: worstje on January 06, 2011, 01:57 PM
Yeah I made an account. :) The place definitely needs OpenID though, and when I registered while posting it didn't refresh. So I ended up hitting Post a second time... which I think due to the use of Ajax made it look like it finally posted for the first time while in actuality it was a double-post that was hidden from me.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 06, 2011, 05:08 PM
Yeah I made an account. :) The place definitely needs OpenID though, and when I registered while posting it didn't refresh. So I ended up hitting Post a second time... which I think due to the use of Ajax made it look like it finally posted for the first time while in actuality it was a double-post that was hidden from me.

think about what happens on all the forums and in general any website where visitors must login to post something :

1. you land on a page from google or any other referral;
2. you read the topic and then you want to reply, you add the message or you're directed to a registration page;
3. you must login to your e-mail and confirm your account
3.1 if the e-mail comes in time and you're not playing football already
3.2 if the e-mail is coming to your inbox folder and didn't get rejected by spam filters
4. login to the website when clicking on the confirmation link
5. search the topic again using the annoying and too complex/advanced search form of the website
6. navigate through tens of other similar topics found till finding the desired topic that got your attention before step 1
7. think again what you wanted to post, if you still have the words in your mind
8. finally post and submit your idea(s)

so... the solution for posting ideas that we have at askpic.com is made of 2-3 clicks and even if you click twice the "submit" button, you're right... with the risk of being a little bit annoying for some advanced users, it is by far more efficient for any user because basically in the background are happening all the steps mentioned above. :)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 09, 2011, 03:30 PM
Problem:

http://askapic.com/questions/
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 10, 2011, 01:18 AM
how did you land on this url? it's a broken one.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: Perry Mowbray on January 10, 2011, 01:45 AM
how did you land on this url? it's a broken one.

It was a link on one of the pages. Sorry can't remember which one...

Edit: here we go:

http://askapic.com/faq-i6/
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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 10, 2011, 02:08 AM
it's ok now. thank you!
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: Curt on January 10, 2011, 06:31 PM
Congratulation, Tom. This is quite exciting! :-)

I need to say that it made me feel uneasy when I saw my name spelled out in full, next to an enlarged copy of my facebook picture. Will it be possible to change these features, or Should/Must/Can I cancel my account?
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 11, 2011, 02:19 AM
I need to say that it made me feel uneasy when I saw my name spelled out in full, next to an enlarged copy of my facebook picture. Will it be possible to change these features, or Should/Must/Can I cancel my account?

Apologies about that Curt -
I've already reported this to Adi but I think it got forgotten about (did by me anyways :-[) - we'll see what he says.
It's actually also a problem if you register - you have to fill in a user name and a "Full name" - but it's the full name that's shown on the home/list-page.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 11, 2011, 02:48 AM
Congratulation, Tom. This is quite exciting! :-)
I agree :D

I need to say that it made me feel uneasy when I saw my name spelled out in full, next to an enlarged copy of my facebook picture. Will it be possible to change these features, or Should/Must/Can I cancel my account?

Does anyone know what the norm is with Facebook logins - do they usually show the full name?
I have used FB to login places - but very little and cant remember how it worked..


Curt, this may help:
Initially I registered on the site, and gave the same name for user and full names (just "Tom") - after that, when loged in via Facebook, it just shows my registered name (Tom). I think this might be a workaround.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 11, 2011, 01:52 PM
Congratulation, Tom. This is quite exciting! :-)

I need to say that it made me feel uneasy when I saw my name spelled out in full, next to an enlarged copy of my facebook picture. Will it be possible to change these features, or Should/Must/Can I cancel my account?


When a user registers to website using facebook, he is asked for permission to access to his/her data from facebook. You may remove the photo from your account at askapic with ease : Profile -> Edit Photos and you can also edit any information you want clicking on "Profile" in the header of the website, after logging in.

Your account may be though canceled/deleted at any time by an admin.

I was just thinking that displaying name instead of username is a much more friendlier way of listing the questions. We will modify the website to display usernames instead of names as soon as possible.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 11, 2011, 02:41 PM
Curt,
I'm going to send you a PM (but I've got to finish another first!) with a suggestion so that your anwser need not be erased
Tom

EDIT/ PM sent
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 11, 2011, 02:48 PM
I was just thinking that displaying name instead of username is a much more friendlier way of listing the questions. We will modify the website to display usernames instead of names as soon as possible.

I agree Adi that full names are friendlier - but when people have to fill in a user name they dont expect the full name to be used (that's the feedback I'm getting).
Another option would be to let them know which name is going to be chosen or let them choose which name is used - but these ideas are more complex and probably not worthwhile.


Re Facebook:
I would imagine that showing the full name is the norm - that's how FB works...
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: mouser on January 11, 2011, 02:55 PM
first name and last initial might be good.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 11, 2011, 03:35 PM
first name and last initial might be good.

this is a good idea, too!  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on January 12, 2011, 02:52 AM
...when people have to fill in a user name they dont expect the full name to be used (that's the feedback I'm getting).

for registering (NOT via FB) why not leave out the real name altogether? i.e. people would just fill in a username
or
would there be a sort-of legal requirement (or security) in attempting to get the full name?
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on January 12, 2011, 08:05 AM
just solved for displaying usernames in answers  :-[
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on March 24, 2011, 03:26 PM
I have to admit I've been ignoring askapic lately  :-[

Someone posted an interesting image today - it "visually" has the names of 72 bands e.g. The Eagles, Led Zepplin (I'm showing my age, only guessing the older ones)

Have a look (click on the screenshot below) - it's only fun (for you, and us) if you havent seens the answers elsewhere :)

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PS dont be posting any answers here please >:( :D
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: cranioscopical on March 24, 2011, 05:12 PM

PS dont be posting any answers here please >:( :D


Wot, not even 42?
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on March 25, 2011, 05:32 AM

PS dont be posting any answers here please >:( :D


Wot, not even 42?
-cranioscopical (March 24, 2011, 05:12 PM)

you have me there Chris :-\
Wild guess: would that be anything to do with levels ?

but speaking of numbers, I just clicked what those planes are :)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: cranioscopical on March 25, 2011, 06:19 AM

Wot, not even 42?
-cranioscopical (March 24, 2011, 05:12 PM)

you have me there Chris :-\

Sorry… HHGTTG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_from_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe.2C_and_Everything_.2842.29). Obviously, it's time for me to throw in the towel.


Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on March 25, 2011, 06:59 AM

Wot, not even 42?
-cranioscopical (March 24, 2011, 05:12 PM)

you have me there Chris :-\

Sorry… HHGTTG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrases_from_The_Hitchhiker%27s_Guide_to_the_Galaxy#Answer_to_the_Ultimate_Question_of_Life.2C_the_Universe.2C_and_Everything_.2842.29). Obviously, it's time for me to throw in the towel.
-cranioscopical (March 25, 2011, 06:19 AM)

ahh, I was thinking of bands (Level 42 in this case - maybe that's where they got their name...)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: tomos on December 06, 2011, 06:38 AM
2011/2012 Update:

I just wanted to say that Adi (adi_barb (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=274727)) has taken over the Askapic site and is going to give it another go (it never did get going last time round...)

Wishing him the best of luck :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 06, 2011, 03:39 PM
Thanks!

I already made few modifications to its structure and also started the promotion procedures with all our engines started  :Thmbsup:

Check this out :

Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 07, 2011, 01:58 AM
A small present from one of the most famous magicians of the world :)



Happy Birthday Askapic.com!

We celebrate 1 Year old :)
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 07, 2011, 06:22 AM
  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 07, 2011, 06:24 AM
  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: mouser on December 07, 2011, 06:37 AM
Adi, those are some serious advertising skills you have! Very cool.
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 07, 2011, 01:11 PM
thank you so much and the merits are also those who created the movies.  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
Post by: adi_barb on December 07, 2011, 10:30 PM
Askapic Photo Session  :D

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Title: Re: NANY 2011 Release: askapic.com - Photo Q&A Site
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