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Title: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: mouser on July 23, 2007, 03:15 PM
Maxthon is an IE-engine based browser that has developed a very strong following.. Version 2 has been in development for a long time and apparently has just been released to the public at large.


http://www.maxthon.com/


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Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: zridling on July 23, 2007, 03:31 PM
With the complexity that composes any modern browser, I'm surprised we're not charged for them. I'm no longer a Maxthon user because by the time 2.0 final was released today, I'd long moved on. Eager to see how Maxthon fans like it.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: masu on July 23, 2007, 03:41 PM
good news
I already trying the new version  :Thmbsup:
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Josh on July 23, 2007, 06:03 PM
I recently moved from maxthon to firefox and dont think I will look back unless opera opens itself up to third party code.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Curt on July 23, 2007, 08:11 PM
IMO Maxthon 1.6 has been the best Internet browser one can have, so I am very much looking forward to try Maxthon 2.

Maxthon 2.0.2.2961 BETA (http://majorgeeks.com/Maxthon_Beta_d5432.html) has just been released.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: nudone on July 24, 2007, 01:20 AM
i'll stick with maxthon 1.6.1

lets me use and arrange all the toolbars and buttons that i want. loads in faster than opera and firefox and just seems to have things worked out better. no doubt i could find plugins for firefox that would provide the same functionality (and more) but why bother when it will still load in slower - plus i'll have to spend all that time looking and testing the plugins. (load times are important to me because i do a lot of opening and closing; maybe that's a bad habit.)

okay, my web pages are rendered crap because of the ie engine - but not very often. perhaps i'll give maxthon 2 a try again but the beta didn't do it for me - simply depends on how much i can customise the layout...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: wreckedcarzz on July 24, 2007, 01:25 AM
I have been testing Maxthon 2's beta releases, and today got the final, and it is a huge step up. I may swap from Firefox to Maxthon, as I really like it now. :)

No one browser owns my computer, though (yet...)
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Nomadin on July 24, 2007, 10:15 AM
The final is a HUGE improvement over the betas.  I am thrilled with it.  I have move to Maxthon as my main browser, although I still have Opera and Firefox installed.  It feels nearly as responsive as Opera and that is a great compliment.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: f0dder on July 24, 2007, 03:24 PM
With the complexity that composes any modern browser, I'm surprised we're not charged for them.
-zridling
It uses the IE engine, so it's not as big a task as writing a browser completely from scratch

I used to use the Avant browser back in my IE days, liked it better than Maxthon. But because of the security issues with IE (yes, i was bitten by it, not from any suspicious site but probably a compromised banner ad server, and yes with a fully patched windows), I've been sticking with FireFox ever since (probably as full of security holes as any software, but still not as widely exploited as IE).

Opera? Sure, if it was a bit more stable and rendered more things as intended, and had plugin support.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: cnewtonne on July 25, 2007, 12:59 AM
there is something weird about M2 and it may be just me. Normally when you switch pages in a browser, you go from current page to the new one. With M2, there is this annoying blank gray page that appears in the middle. I was browsing Treocentral today and this gray page kept interceding all the time. WHY?

It does not take a lot of usage to see how slow and sluggish M2 is and has been since I tested its first beta. I hate to say this. I'm in no way under-estimating the hundreds of man hours that went into developing it, but I can not help it when I see it performing this bad.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Curt on July 26, 2007, 01:18 PM
I removed Maxthon 2 again and went back to 1.6
- but I expect to try again after the next major update.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Armando on July 26, 2007, 02:41 PM
i'll stick with maxthon 1.6.1

lets me use and arrange all the toolbars and buttons that i want. loads in faster than opera and firefox and just seems to have things worked out better. no doubt i could find plugins for firefox that would provide the same functionality (and more) but why bother when it will still load in slower - plus i'll have to spend all that time looking and testing the plugins. (load times are important to me because i do a lot of opening and closing; maybe that's a bad habit.)

okay, my web pages are rendered crap because of the ie engine - but not very often. perhaps i'll give maxthon 2 a try again but the beta didn't do it for me - simply depends on how much i can customise the layout...
I removed Maxthon 2 again and went back to 1.6
- but I expect to try again after the next major update.

Same thing here.

I honestly don't really see what greatness Maxthon 2 is bringing to the table. yes, it'S cute.

But I like Maxthon 1.6 better, even if uglier:

- fast
- feature full
- very small memory footprint (maybe is just a trick though... but I have never been able to find out how it does it).

I really like Firefox too, and have it installed, but rarely use it (for the same reasons nudone mentioned). Maybe I will, one day, if I install more RAM and I don't care about giving a big chunk of it to Firefox...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Curt on July 26, 2007, 04:53 PM

i'll stick with maxthon 1.6.1

- very small memory footprint (maybe is just a trick though... but I have never been able to find out how it does it).

- you told it to, at the setup: "Do you want Maxthon to often release memory?"
(or how it was phrased).
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Armando on July 26, 2007, 06:35 PM

- you told it to, at the setup: "Do you want Maxthon to often release memory?"
(or how it was phrased).

yes yes...  :)
But, still, even if it "releases memory", it still is as fast... I don,t see too much I/O activity when I switch tabs. I'm telling you : magic.  :Wizard:
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Darwin on July 31, 2007, 11:42 AM
I'm still on 1.6. M2 is nice, but I don't find it as easy to use as M1.6. Like Curt, I'll be waiting to see what updates bring...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: lanux128 on July 31, 2007, 07:38 PM
I'm still on 1.6. M2 is nice, but I don't find it as easy to use as M1.6...
i'm still stuck at 1.5.9 but then i use MyIE2/Maxthon just to view pages that aren't compatible with Firefox.. :)
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: skywalka on August 04, 2007, 05:29 PM
What I love about M2 is that it disables things like flash for all tabs except the active tab.  Very useful for sites like YouTube.  You can open a dozen video pages but the video will not play until that tab is activated.

MAXTHON RULES!!!!
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Curt on August 04, 2007, 06:01 PM
.. disables things like flash for all tabs except the active tab ...

That sounds like a really wise feature, skywalka!  :up:

-

But how about consume of open- response- and load- time?
I found it to be too slow - sort of too Firefoxy...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: skywalka on August 04, 2007, 06:29 PM
Speed isn't a problem for me but I've had memory issues.  I opened nothing but a MySpace page the other day & saw my memory instantly jump by 300MB.  Maxthon has a fantastic online forum.  I was going to ask about the problem there, however my Windows install is a couple years old & I'm not convinced M2 is the problem.  I'm hoping to reinstall Windows in a couple weeks.

It's still the best browser, for me anyhow.

Also, some may be interested to know that you can use the Gecko engine with M1.  I don't think this has been implemented with M2, at least not yet.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Mamoun on August 09, 2007, 01:05 PM
Hi all, I'm a moderator from Maxthon's forum, and a big fan of Donations coder and have installed a LOT of your handy applications, I only didn't have the chance to post until now.

Although I really recommend using the forum for your problem and/or question, I would be really glad to answer any question you have, I'm not here to advertise it BTW.  :)

i'll stick with maxthon 1.6.1

lets me use and arrange all the toolbars and buttons that i want. loads in faster than opera and firefox and just seems to have things worked out better. no doubt i could find plugins for firefox that would provide the same functionality (and more) but why bother when it will still load in slower - plus i'll have to spend all that time looking and testing the plugins. (load times are important to me because i do a lot of opening and closing; maybe that's a bad habit.)

okay, my web pages are rendered crap because of the ie engine - but not very often. perhaps i'll give maxthon 2 a try again but the beta didn't do it for me - simply depends on how much i can customise the layout...
Actually M2 is milles away fromm M1 in terms of customizabl-ity (If that was even a word :P), M2 uses a framework similar to Office 2003's interface, You can basically drag anything to anywhere, make new buttons from menus, customizing their look...etc

Also toolbars can be dragged to all directions, also they dock to any side of the screen.

Although I agree on the memory usage, Pretty high comparing to M1, But keep in mind that M1 took almost 4 years (may be even more) to become what it is now, while M2 is pretty young.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: nudone on August 09, 2007, 02:18 PM
thanks for being here, Mamoun.

i have tried to arrange the toolbar and buttons around in maxthon 2 and i really can't get the same layout i'm happy with when using the older version of maxthon.

here's a screen shot of what i use.
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it might seem trivial but this is what i'm used to and i find the position of the 'go' and 'back' button to be just how i want them, i.e. in the center of the toolbar.

i tried to set the maxthon 2 toolbar and menus the same but i couldn't do it. i will try again just to be sure.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Curt on August 09, 2007, 02:29 PM
Customizability is a good thing, but cannot be the goal itself, can it. If M2 stays as slow as Firefox, but doesn't have the same endless list of extensions as the fox, it may need further raison d'ˆtre. I keep using Max 1.6 for the speed, not for the number of extensions or the customizing. Don't get me wrong; I would love to have all the same extensions for Maxthon as I have for my Firefox, but because of the lack of speed I only use Firefox when I need a feature from one of the addons. If Firefox was as fast as Maxthon 1.6  I would always use Firefox! On the other hand, if Maxthon had the same useful addons as Firefox  I would never use Mozilla!

M2 is still a baby, and a lovely baby that is! Now, please concentrate on speed and addons!

Edit:  I too want the navigation buttons (go + back) to be in the center of the toolbar.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Darwin on August 09, 2007, 02:41 PM
Yup, I'm with Curt on this one. Another biggie for me is that a number of IE plugins that I like and use under 1.6.1 aren't supported under M2 and/or aren't as nice to use under M2 (Roboform, for example. Netsnippets is on that I simply cannot get to work. Period.). These are deal breakers for me, for now. M2 is installed but I am not using it, still defaulting to M 1.6.1   :-*
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Mamoun on August 09, 2007, 03:17 PM
thanks for being here, Mamoun.

i have tried to arrange the toolbar and buttons around in maxthon 2 and i really can't get the same layout i'm happy with when using the older version of maxthon.

here's a screen shot of what i use.

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it might seem trivial but this is what i'm used to and i find the position of the 'go' and 'back' button to be just how i want them, i.e. in the center of the toolbar.

i tried to set the maxthon 2 toolbar and menus the same but i couldn't do it. i will try again just to be sure.
I have done the customizations for you, download the attachment then extract it to your Maxthon folder / Your e-mail account in case you are using a personal account, or the folder shared account in case of a shared account (Duh! :P) / config /

Replace the UI.xml while Maxthon is closed.

Of course some buttons or menu items are not available, But it's only an example to how to change the interface the way you like, I'm not trying to convince you to try it, just showing something you might have missed.

Yup, I'm with Curt on this one. Another biggie for me is that a number of IE plugins that I like and use under 1.6.1 aren't supported under M2 and/or aren't as nice to use under M2 (Roboform, for example. Netsnippets is on that I simply cannot get to work. Period.). These are deal breakers for me, for now. M2 is installed but I am not using it, still defaulting to M 1.6.1   :-*
Yeah, IE plugins don't work (at least until now), but roboform's lower toolbar works, only the native support is not available, Use the system tray icon of roboform to attach it to Maxthon's windows...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Darwin on August 09, 2007, 04:46 PM
Yeah, IE plugins don't work (at least until now), but roboform's lower toolbar works, only the native support is not available, Use the system tray icon of roboform to attach it to Maxthon's windows...

Yeah, I'm aware of the workaround, but I hate running the Roboform sys tray icon (hogs precious resources and if I'm running M2 there are even more resources drifting away!). Yes, I know - I'm high maintenance! I'm confident that these issues will be resolved over time and comtent to bide my time.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Mamoun on August 09, 2007, 04:53 PM
I'm confident that these issues will be resolved over time and comtent to bide my time.
Fingers crossed. :)
Thanks for your feedback BTW. :)
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Josh on August 09, 2007, 05:01 PM
resources? Using about 3 megs on my system, dont know about yours.
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Darwin on August 09, 2007, 07:27 PM
I just opened up M2 with a blank page and it gobbled up 24 MB of RAM and 17 MB VM. However, Maxthon 1.6.1 uses 23 MB of RAM and 28 MB of VM! M2 starts with a single blank page, M1.6.1 with five pages from various sites (DC included). The big concern for me at the moment is the plug-in support, though. Looks like I'll need to eat crow on the resource use though... Thanks for that Josh (he mumbles through a mouthful of black, and not very clean, feathers), thank you very much!

PS I'm a bit concerned about your 3 megs vs. my 17... I'm on a 3 year old centrino notebook (single core) with a gig of PC2100 RAM running WinXP Pro Sp-2...
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Darwin on August 09, 2007, 07:28 PM
Mamoun - thanks for all the effort that you put into the beta testing (If I am not mistaken, it was you that sent out the beta update notifications, no?). Anyway, welcome to DC - please visit more often!  :D
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: nudone on August 10, 2007, 02:43 AM
thanks for the ui file, Mamoun.

regrettably, i have to say that it still doesn't work like the old maxthon layout i have. yes, the 'go' and 'back' buttons are in the center but it appears to be impossible to put anything alongside the top menu toolbar.

is that enough of an excuse for me to not use maxthon 2?

well, it does seem trivial so i will try using the new version - but like darwin i use RoboForm a lot so that might be the deal breaker for me.

i probably was just being a bit defeatist when i tried maxthon 2 but your encouragement has prompted me to try again...

Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Second Shadow on August 10, 2007, 07:34 AM
I'm a long time user of Maxthon (and previously MyIE2  :)) and I've tried several Maxthon 2 betas a number of times. Unfortunately, I keep coming back to Maxthon 1.
My main complaints about Maxthon 2 (which I've posted in their forum) are:
- Resource usage (I've tested both with THE same tabs open and M2 undoubtedly uses more memory than M1)
- Tab-bar behavior. The ability to make the tab-bar multiline AND respectful of the minimum and maximum tab width set in Maxthon Options (or Control Center as it's now called) isn't there. Please see the following Maxthon forum thread :http://forum.maxthon.com/index.php?showtopic=63924 , for a detailed description of the (annoying) issue  :mad: :(

So, it's Maxthon 1.6 for me ....
Title: Re: Maxthon 2 Released
Post by: Darwin on August 12, 2007, 09:00 AM
An update: after responding to Brandon (wreckedcarzz) here (https://www.donationcoder.com/forum/index.php?topic=9503.msg71552#msg71552), I thought I'd take another crack at setting up M2 and discovered that I had a corrupt Groups import (I hadn't mentioned this but the fact that my groups wouldn't work in M2 was a major dealbreaker for me) and remedied that. Then I took a look at the plugins that I couldn't get to work and which were the other dealbreakers: Roboform, NetSnippets Pro and Evernote Pro. I tried a third party plugin for Roboform and hated it so uninstalled it. Then I unexpectedly hit upon the solution: the context menu! Roboform's toolbar can be displayed/hidden in any supported browser via the context menu! As for Evernote and NetSnippets, pages can be saved in the same way. Thus I can now do everything in M2 that I can do in M1.6.1. Pretty happy... Now, if only resource usage could be brought under better control (as I type this in M2 I have 7 tabs open, which is pretty standard and the process is consuming: 03-23% CPU, 70,008K RAM, and 55,680K VM. This is considerably higher than M1.6.1 under a similar "load", where the CPU is much more stable at around 0-1% and RAM and VM usage are in the 46MB and 55MB range respectively).

UPDATE: even saving a selection is possible with Evernote/NetSnippets - you just highlight the "bits" you want and right-click/save to Evernote (or NetSnippets). The result is actually a cleaner interface as opposed to NetSnippets toolbar (though I suppose I'll wind up missing the Add to Last option... C'est la vie. NetSnippets is no longer being developed anyway so its days are numbered.)